₦airaland Forum

Justnotyou:
Nope, true pure Swahili is spoken in Oman & Comoros & Coastal east Africa.

No pure Swahili is the one without those arabic, Portuguese words.

gallivant:
I hope it doesn't mean the same as Mboro?

I think it is the same

Kazikazi:
Congolese are just learners.we teach them.

No Kingwana is one of Swahili dialect that is spoken in Congo since those days. Do you remember those 5 theories of Swahili origin? One of them was Swahili ni kikongo.

Austine1212:
think British English vs Naija English

Kenya swahili is origional

Tanzania swahili is diluted

Vice versa is true. Kenyan swahili is heavy and short due to ignorance of vocabularies and affected by their respective tribal language. Tanzanian Swahili is the original standard swahili (kiunguja). Don't carried away by them most of them have some knowledge of the language but don't understand it.
Look how their Mps struggled to speak Swahili in their parliament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0u6cm5KFdY

AmenhotepZuid:
@xhosanostra, I saw on TV the other day a group of immigrants from Gabon and Cameroon saying their language Fang, Ewondo and Duala has similar words to Xhosa, example "mbolo in Fang /ewondo is Molo in Xhosa for greeting and Mbolweni in fang/ewondo is molweni in Xhosa that's a reply in all these languages. Same can be said about words like " nyoka" is snake in Lingala in DRC, Duala Cameroon, Fang Gabon/Equatorial guinea etc...they showed a lot of words that were similar to Xhosa and Zulus and south Africans were shocked by the similarities. They said SA black languages are a mixture of central africa and east African with a small mix of borrowed khoi words.

Nyoka is snake also in Swahili but Mbolo

mtisTheQubit:
Kazi Swahili is not your mother tongue unless you are a swahili...fact...you folks just dont want to admit..you got chaga people, maasai, sukuma...they sometimes speak their mother tongue language

Lol for instance I am not counted as a swahili but it is my first language and there a lot of people especially youth that Swahili is their first language and those Maasai, Sukuma etc can't speak 2min long without putting Swahili words.

Austine1212:
How about you learn Zulu, more of youyou are traveling to SA

Because Zulu is not a Lingua Franca of South Africa. How can you communicate with the rest 77.3% of South Africans who doesn't understand Zulu.

mtisTheQubit:
no kaz mnqundu is your ass...now whako i think is wako ..

You are now an expert eeh.

XhosaNostra:
You do know the Khoisans were nomads, right? And what of the clans that are direct descendants of the Khoisans? Stop interfering & talking ikaka you know nothing about, mnqundu.

Mnqundu

We have the same word in Swahili. Mkundu wako

jln115:
- the population of South Africa in 1910 was a mere 5 million.....back it up another 300 years then you'll understand what I meant by sparsely populated.

-The Mfecane happened before the Zulus came in to contact with White colonist, so there goes your "simply observed your bad behavior" argument.

- The Boere did not arrive in SA, the Boere are a people that developed within SA from 1835.....before that there was no Boer nation..... The Dutch however had a very large slave trade and brought with them a number of slaves.

- Slavery was also common for the Imbangala of Angola and the Nyamwezi of Tanzania...... So again your argument there was no slavery, "all the way north to E.A" is also busted.

- "through minor skirmishes to establish dominance (Zulu and co)" you call over 1 million people dead a minor skirmish?

- "your people were inherently and genetically incapable of sharing lebensraum with anybody else not of their race" its funny you say that because just earlier today rvp was stating how Kenyans kicked out the Indians and Whites like Zim did..... Just a tad hypocritical you think?

-"Indigenous SAns had before then not ever dreamt of exterminating an entire group of people, however weak, to create living SPACE" Mfecane

The Nyamwezi didn't do slavery before Arabs came. The Arabs came, then controlled the Coast and established the slave markets

jln115:
try poverty rating SA 18.9% TZ:49.1%

LOL. Tanzania poverty rate was 22.8% by CIA 2015 and was 26.4 by the government (2018).

Austine1212:
Do youyou know south africa third city, Durban gdp is bigger than your country?

We farm enough for us and neibours

According to the Economist's Intelligence Unit's 2019 Global Food Security Index, South Africa is the most food secure country on the African continent. Its ranking of 44th out of 133 countries measured where it stands with regards to food affordability, availability, quality and safety.

Try the unemployment rate S.A 29% while Tz 9.5%.

Austine1212:
Tanzania is irrelevant, it is never in conversation nor is it on SA tv

He wants validation from south africans how pathetic

Man this all kazikazi thing was started by you. He basically post Mount kilimanjaro then you brought your a.ss to that pic. Then it moved to anthem, flag then independence thing. I don't know why are you bitter about that mountain or Tz.

mtisTheQubit:
True ..an now it's BTW kenya an south Africa. ..

He have already disrupted S.a vs S.a battle now Nig, Ghan, Tz and S.a are all coming for you

Kazikazi:
OK.so you want to give land back to a real south African, a khoi man? I can support the idea.
A khoi man will make the whole of SA a hunting free zone,from cape to Limpopo

You are hurting Austine

rvp20182:
Man - they are a huge problem - they have grown wealthy - by stealing from the blacks. Land and Mines. Those are easy ones. They should already have been nationalized and whites kicked out of farmland.

You can start nationalising whites property in Kenya so we can see where it leads you.

mtisTheQubit:
Today was a funny day...southies vs southies never thought that can happen...we need to close the thread people... am serious

The war is blind.( vita havina macho)

XhosaNostra:
1st time I'm hearing about the bolded. Mind sharing a link?
I've said it already that you guys played your role, the tendency to overstate it is the ssue.

https://omalley.nelsonmandela.org/omalley/cis/omalley/OMalleyWeb/03lv00017/04lv01495/05lv01502.htm

Hell no, it was South Africans denial that cause Kazikazi to make you swallow the facts the hardway, for the summary;
You didn't even know that Mbeki have Tz passport, He was chairman of ANC Nigeria branch, You claim Tz stole your flag when Tz flag (est 1964) S.A flag ( est 1994).
Countries like Ghana and Nigeria contribute much financially than even those bankrupt Cubans that you are praising. The Russians were happy to sell weapons by those money that poor africans countries were contributing for liberation of S.A. It was much between you vs Kazikazi and he set record clear with you accepting or disagree we help you in those days of struggle. There are many things/facts that you don't know that's why at sometime you praised the Apartheid era.

XhosaNostra:
LMAO. I don't sugarcoat shìt, I'm not Willy Wonka. Tanzania did play a role, that can't be denied, but like I stated in my earlier comment, they're prone to exaggerations & delusions of grandeur.

How many have you met and see that delusion.

XhosaNostra:
Why not Zambia? Because that's where the biggest MK training camp was & its headquarters. I think Tanzanians have this tendency of over-inflating their role & wanting to come off as the lead in the credits. I honestly doubt you were their main target, because everybody knew where majority of them were, it's in all our songs. Zambia would have been their biggest nemesis, thorn in the side & nuisance, because that's where most MK's top-ranking generals + "most wanted" people were. Some were spread all over the SADC region, to create distraction & confusion eg. Chris Hani spent years in Lesotho, after returning from Lusaka.
Those of us back home were always updated on what was happening beyond our borders. Not only by the leaders, but also relatives. Majority of us either had a family member or knew of someone that was in Lusaka back then. They'd write letters about life beyond the borders & it's no secret the ill treatment some of them received in the hands of our "brethren". Chris Hani recounted those stories on one interview he did after returning to South Africa, but ke as'kholapho. Thank God the songs are there to immortalize everything that went on & our experience.Lusaka was the place to be (a home away from home for many) & the command center to the rest of us, when it was time to mobilize.

Few of many songs about Lusaka & the role the country played during "the struggle" below. See, we give credit where it's due, but hey, thanks for YOUR part Unfortunately you were not the starring, but played a good supporting role.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUhwz8uNvf8]


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNhkatwxLXo]

Yes Most Tanzanians and other African countries overrate their participation in South Africa liberation.

Go and read Sister you will find ANC headquarters pre 1964 was in Tanzania under Oliver Tambo and moved to Lusaka Zambia after Zambian independence 1964. When Thabo Mbeki traveled with other 28 students from S.A to Tanganyika( Tanzania then) in 1962 that's where they got money, passports etc for travelling abroad for their studies.

There were ANC camps, schools and colleges in Tanzania but most of their functions were moved down slowly to Zambia, Zimbabwe, Angola and Mozambique after those countries got independence. Among all those countries Zambia had played large part in South Africa independence.

TayserMahri:
Cautious when you talk to your masters.

That was pre 2005

Kazikazi:
What are you saying? Egypt lacks long range missiles,how will they attack TZ? That is just a joke.Even SA failed to attack us in time of apartheid, who is Egypt anyway?

They will attack and cause damage to TZ through their Airforce. Yes they have no means of transport their bulk military equipment and their infantry to Tz which is more than 3700km from Egypt through Air and more than 4000km through Sea.

They have to find nearby country or use drop tanks to fly to Tanzania for hit and run.

Egyptian airforce:
F16 - 218
Rafale - 24
Mirage 2000 - 19
Mig 29M - 15
Etc.

gallivant:
What about Arusha and Ngorongoro? Isn't it Maa land? I demand all these regions back and the rights to view Kilimanjaro whenever the sky is clear.

Maasai are Tanzanians too. Arusha and Ngorongoro originally belong to Iraqw and Meru people who were squeezed by Maasai people.

XhosaNostra:
Lol, is the show any good? Haven't watched it yet.

Yeah partly

gallivant:
You are using the colonial boundaries as a basis for your bogus claims. Traditionally, Ethnically and rightfully so it's ours. It can stay in within your colonial borders but the mountain will forever remain Kenyan.

Dumb, Mount Kilimanjaro belong to Chagga people ethnically and they are Tanzanians.

XhosaNostra:
21% do travel as already stated. Do they commit crimes when they visit over there?

Queen Sono did that

gallivant:
Air Tanzania is not Ethiopian Airlines. What is exactly your point?

The point is even respectable national carriers like Ethiopian airline have those, so it not a shame to have those.

TayserMahrii:
But ET doesnt have its planes seized like Tanzania airline.

Only one plane due to Mzungu's case. We won in the court and have our plane back. We don't know what is this white man planning again.

tylann:
We don't beg you for food
We buy it with cash
We can buy maize from Uganda or Ethiopia
Stop fooling yourself

The only thing from your Uganda is Matoke, do you it those?

tylann:
We don't beg you for food
We buy it with cash
We can buy maize from Uganda or Ethiopia
Stop fooling yourself

Ethiopia , have mercy on them if you buy Ethiopian food, we will have, "We are the world part 2".

gallivant:
We can also claim all the East African coast but we choose not to. But the mountain is traditionally Kenyan even the people who straddle that area together with Ngorongoro are Kenyans of the Maa tribe. All we are asking is for us to cash in on the views without Tanzanian noise. The only other alternative is to blind all Kenyans.

LOL The people who reside around mount Kilimanjaro are Chagga people and for you information there are many Maasai in Tanzania than Kenya.

XhosaNostra:
Name one country where South Africans make a nuisance of themselves? It's a well-known fact South Africans don't like to travel. Now you know us more than we know ourselves? Black, white, Indian etc, majority have never been out of the country & that's a fact. We love our shithole

South Africans are one of large shares of Zanzibar tourists.