I said those men were Beja, not Somali. In regards to your photos,some of them look heavily mixed with middle eastern people. I understand you want to be "Pure" Somali, but such a thing doesn't exist anymore. Thanks to Islam and Arab Imperialism. You were Muslim before Arabs? Ok True, did you know grass comes before earth?

https://mathildasanthropologyblog./2008/07/30/somali-y-chromosome-study/

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/a-genomic-sketch-of-the-horn-of-africa/#.WpthnHxG11s

Go through those links. You are not only mixed with Arab, but Somali Y-chromosome (The chromosome passed from Father to Son) s 40% Eurasian (Middle East + Neighboring Areas) You also have DNA from those Migrating from Upper Egypt. I told you you're mixed, DNA doesn't lie. Somalia its current form is not what it was in the past during medieval times. There were different kingdoms and empires, for example Ajuran Sultante and the Kingdom of Adal. Ajuran was Somali, but Adal was heavily populated by Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate#Muslim_migration

Go through it, have a field day - it's interesting stuff. However it''s also interesting to see that without your "mamlukes" and Ottoman assistance you couldn't defeat the Oromo and Portuguese. Uf you are so bold and strong as Somali's why did you need that kind of help? Also, if you are so great now why is your country riddled with strife? Please don't come on here beating your chest, cause Somali is definitely not the best place to be right now.

Ancestry.com has the smallest database of African lineages LOL so testing with them won't tell you shit. Sheesh you're a genetics noob. You either need to test with a company that has a larger database of African samples or commission a scientific research team to do it. I'm assuming the latter is impossible for you - no offense, but if you're on here creating topics like this I doubt you're scholarly and thorough enough to pull something like that off.

Also, Somali people are not homogeneous anymore. Due to all of the mixing that has occurred some of them have varying amounts of African, Arab, and European in them. Not to mention Indian. That being said, you are hella mixed dude. Do you know what you aren't though? You aint shit

gregyboy:
Africa is a really diverse race continent

Like madagascar would pass for an asian person be it indian or chinesse they look more like them

West africans would pass for negriod australians in australia

North africa moroco and libyans would pass for Europeans and arabs

Somalian and Ethiopians would pass for Caribbean people or mullato

This why the white believes african is the home of all race

No this is not why. They believe life originated in Africa, due to genetic studies. People in Madagascar looking Asian have to do with the fact that Asians were brought there during the colonial period and intermingled with the local population. Same goes for Indians, Omani Arabs, and other Asians coming into Somalia. "Caribbean" people are just amalgamated Native Americans from Southern America, Africans, and Europeans. There is nothing original about Caribbean people. Jamaican, Haitian, Puerto Rican, and etc are colonial names.

Somalians look the way they do because they're mixed as Bleep. Their DNA is all over the place, because of invasions and migrations - especially invasions from the Arabs They raped their way into Somalia and left their mix-breed offspring to rule just like they did in other parts of Africa.

If I could guess, I would assume the "original" Somali looked similar to the Beja people. The pictures OP posted of Somali women are heavily mixed. It's so obvious to see that it's hilarious he would try to pass them off as Pure Somali or Original Somali. I guess he's proud of his rape blood.

Here are a couple images of Beja men

afroniger:
Yes. It is the same way Islam was used as a tool by the Fulanis to wipe out and supplant Hausa Culture. Before you know it they will brainwash people to see their culture as 'pagan' , 'fetish' and 'uncivilized'. That is why I don't subscribe to foreign or imported religions because they are weapons of neocolonization.

Bro, what do you think happened to the Fulani? I know it's hard to believe, but at one point they weren't Muslim either. They were muslimized and some became Arabized. But you are 100% correct, any imported or foreign religion/culture is a tool and weapon of neocolonialism. If hey can't shackle our bodies, they attempt to shackle the mind.

alanmwene:

Why don't you address the main issue here?
The main issue here is your ancestors selling more of their people than any other African ethnicity.It is what all genetic studies say my man.
You should focus on trying to understand why this happened instead of bringing up irrelevant issues.Kongo-mbundu kings were the most educated of all black Africa kings at that time and they understood better than anybody else the politics of slavery.That is why they rose against the enslavement of their people.They did it diplomatically by sending the first black ambassador to the Vatican to ask the pope to take position against the slave trade.the pope refused and sided himself with all the white powers.Kongos and mbundu decided for war and defeated Portugal.
Why didn't your Yoruba ancestors fight against slavery?Granted they were pretty uncivilised at that time and could come to terms with the white man sophistication

I'm not Yoruba, but I would like to see sources saying Yoruba sold their own. The fact that you got this out of the study shows that you are a true idiot. We all know Yorubaland was in turmoil during the time of Europeans arrival, their contribution to the gene pool of those taken during slavery clearly indicates a nation in strife and civil war. Kongo/Angola also contributed greatly to the slave trade due to their civil wars as well. You consider Kongo-Mbundu kings smart, but how are you smart when you accept a foreigners god? No matter if you try to tan his skin you clearly lost. You're automatically inferior from taking a deity your ancestors did not worship. Not only did they lose with their integrity, but they also lost by allowing the Portuguese to raid others while they remained complacent. Also about Yoruba being uncivilized, they have one of the oldest calendars in the world you fucking retard. I'm not even Yoruba and I know this, I just can't take ignorant asshats like yourself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_calendar

makahlj2:
Sorry, but I don't buy this. I have another theory about the slave trade. It depleted Africa of its weakest, meekest people, who didn't have the wits and strength to escape the slave traders or defeat them. And I'm not sure if it was even a loss for us. On the contrary, the colonization of Brazil, for example, really depleted Portugal of its bravest, strongest and most resourceful, if cruel and evil, people. And that's why Portugal today is a poor country, a pale shadow of its former glory. It simply overexerted itself.

That's why African's love African American culture right? I mean we wear their style, talk like them, and everything. Wearing NBA Jerseys, Nikes, and etc. Slavery/Colonization brought you the language you're typing in - which means your ancestors were also subjugated. I mean hey, the borders in Africa now weren't even drawn by Africans. How embarrassing is that? A foreigner came to your lands and re-drew the lines. You know the terrain better lol. If anything, you are slaves in your own nations which is far worst. If we that remained on the continent are so strong, we would have a bigger economy than our bros and sistas in America. Slavery was definitely a brain drain. They took young and fit as well as old and knowledgeable. The young and fit were preferred however, as they were easier to manipulate. The way you speak shows how limited your knowledge is. I enjoyed schooling you boy

I'm so surprised you have this much fun talking to yourself. A person asked you to explain an eclipse, and you said it's because of the two moons... Wow... So all major tribes in Nigeria are not only from the middle east, but the earth is flat, and there are two moons? Ok see this is why we need to take mental health more seriously in the black community

It's sickening to see how mentally disturbed Africans are in this modern age. It's not only this person, but other people from other ethnic groups also propose a "Middle Eastern" migration theory. Some Fulbe and other unknowing Africans claim they come from Israel. Some Hausa's claim they come from Arabia. Some Igbo's say they come from Israel... The embarrassing thing was that a Jewish organization from Israel came to Nigeria to test the "Igbo Jews". They found out they are not related. So, you bring the white man to your country, for him to look at you and say "Negro, we are not related". What's wrong with you guys? I'm genuinely curious, who taught you to hate yourself - Speaking directly to you, Olu. We need genetic evidence. Writings from archaic studies in the past are of no help anymore. Olu, please post a link regarding the Yoruba's genetic match to Arabs. Please don't go into a long winded argument about blah-blah, just post facts man.

Just so we're certain, it's common knowledge within the scientific community that modern day Israel/Palestine was one of the first areas of mixing/mating with Neanderthals. Africans migrating out of Africa and into Asia met the Neanderthals there and mated with them, creating a "modern human". So by this, you're telling us that you are in fact a descendant of those that descended from Neanderthals? You admitted it.

It's also a well-known fact within the scientific community that Africans have no Neanderthal admixture (Only those not mixed with Europeans/Arabs/Asians). So in fact we are "pure humans". Not Neanderthal monkey hybrids like the desert dwellers you claim ancestry from.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/01/humans-and-neandertals-likely-interbred-middle-east
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium-early-homo-sapiens-mated-neanderthals-1.5407342

The fact that you completely skipped over the chart showing the genetic composition of Yoruba spoke volumes. You know there is no genetic link, so you didn't reply to that comment. Let this be a lesson to those reading this thread, the black man got rid of his physical chains but the mental shackles are still on. Olu, can't shake the mark of his oppressor, so he tries to identify with him.

The old saying - "If you can't beat them, join them" comes to mind.

We must also take into account that Olu in fact could be a troll They have paid white people trying to rile the emotions of blacks.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/media/blacktivist-russia-facebook-twitter/index.html

Blessings to you all

papoudaupolos:
You practice European religion, dress European, copy their way of life, speak their language and even live in their land.but taking their name is the problem?

It starts with the name. Everything else follows

In the philosophical sense. After Britain "granting" (lol) independence was it ever properly discussed on how the country could move forward separately? I mean actually and properly discussed without shouting matches and fists being thrown? Cause everyday there's a "Fulani herdsman this" or a "Fulani herdsman that" or "Yoruba dog this" or "Yoruba dog that", not to mention the many insults thrown at Igbo's. The initial and logical thing to do would be to open dialogue for secession, right? In a modern world this happens. For some reason it seems like anywhere on this forum people are quick to dismiss the idea.

Nigeria should be a place where each tribe governs itself but recognizes the blanket authority of the Federal Government. Self-Governing itself includes the management of it's natural resources. For some reason this becomes a problem when there are people in the Federal government that are not necessarily from your ethnic group taking profits from your ethnic groups natural resources. The simple solution would be to have representation in the Federal government, but what if our representation sucks? Is incompetent? Is bribed?

It would be interesting to see a serious discussion take place. It's peculiar that people are comfortable with imperialists defining their borders.

As educated as we are, we should be able to solve a problem like this

There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, if such a hypothesis can be supported by evidence. If there's any concrete genetic evidence, it would change a lot of people's mind.

Guys/Gals insight and speculation is most welcome. Anyone seen Fulaman, recently? Get him in here!

RedboneSmith:
1. Intermarriage with local populations.

2. Incorporation of slaves (Maccube) and originally non-Fulani dark-skinned people (Balebe) into Fulani society.

Did you watch any part of the video?

These Fulani are "Wodaabe". They don't mix with outsiders. So your first point is invalid. It also seems like none of them have "light skin" associated with Fulani in Nigeria/Cameroon.

In regards to your second point, do Wodaabe keep slaves? I've never heard of this or read of this anywhere, however it could be true. If some knowledgeable Fula would like to present facts, please stand up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnO1QDqpaQ

All around people say "The Fulbe have light skin" etc etc. However, I was watching a documentary about African tribes as usual and came across this one. They are definitely not what people have said most of them look like. Do any of the Fulani on the forum care to elaborate as to why?

The Fulani gentlemen begin speaking at around 5:00 minute mark

leverage:
year man extra holiday

Hey man, no offense but I was hoping for serious responses.

Does anyone know when the "New Year" was celebrated among the Fulani prior to their contact with Islam? I know the traditional religion remains, however what about the holidays/celebration days? I only know of the Gerewol.

What about the Hausa? I would also like to know when their true New Year was.

It wasn't difficult at all to find the Yoruba calendar, it's extremely intricate seems like. However, they've adopted the Gregorian calendar for business purposes. Seems like the Yoruba "New Year" is in summer time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_calendar

Ozouno1:


This topic points to the fact "Africans" never came together and settled on a common name or common laws or common goals. Usually when a group has a name its from settling all those issues beforehand. This is why "Africans" are behind, just adopting the same name is not enough to bring power. And a colonizer gave the word to people, the indigenous tribes and kingdoms and villages and clans never came together to settle old grievances and move forward. African/Black as political labels are a propaganda that can never empower the people. Imagine if North Korea was trying to organize itself based on being Asian and yellow instead of the ideology and identity system they created where they even had to separate from south Korea. That's what a powerful identity looks like

Incorrect. If you scroll up you can see a comment where it states Scipio was given the honorary title Africanus after defeating Carthage. The name originally sits with the Afri people. You can use google to confirm it. This is not the reason why Africans are behind. It's due to poor leadership, ignorance, lack of organization, and a willingness of European nations to stifle it's growth. Not just European nations, but Arab ass-licking nations in the North as well.

Ozouno1:


You still have "Black" in your language. And you should acknowledge that first. Don't be like an Arab.

I think he's referring to the fact that he identifies with his tribal identity before a 'color' which doesn't necessarily denote who his ancestors are and what his culture is specifically. If you say a black man, that could be anyone with dark skin that has ancestors from Africa. If you say a an Amhara man or an Agew man, you know for sure who is being referred to. It's a better classification in my opinion. However, we all know that colloquially we are all black and proud!

Hati13:

The pronunciation seems the same.

Correct, the pronunciation is the same. Mdw Ntr (Medu Neter, colloquially referred to as Hieroglyphic language) doesn't use vowels.

Whoever the thread creator is, is reaching. A very far Abrahamic-ass-licking-embarrassing reach. Shame he didn't mention the equivalent of "Ta-Merry" in Yoruba. The native Ancient Egyptians didn't refer to their land as Misraim fam. So if the Yoruba word for KMT is any variation of Misraim, it's clear that they are not or were not part of the indigenous population that formed the nation.


I have heard that some Yoruba claim they are descendants of Ancient Egyptians fleeing the Nile Valley due to invasions though. This is possible. Migrating south and westwards seems extremely probable given the evidence.

Moderators, why do you allow such posts to remain? Bleaching is a severe form of self-hate within the African community (diaspora as well). In Asia they also suffer from the skin bleaching epidemic and are trying to combat it. Please don't allow Nairalanders to accept this as normal behavior, delete these kind of threads; for our and posterity's sake.