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Chelseafan1:
Facts are those I stated staring at you in the face, Hazard is prefered to all those players you rate above him by all the managers that have coached him At Chelsea...I have no words for all the nonsense you posted above.

Quote me when your De bryune, Pedro and Willian gets rated higher than Hazard, till then, keep your foolish, senseless opinions to your bloody self.

That was how you foolishly made us believe Iniesta is shiit when you are actually the two-faced mumu spewing rubbish about players that get rated by professionals in the game.

FOH Ogbeni.

He stated that hazard scored more goals in 2 seasons, he never told me those mysterious seasons, he resorted to using filthy words. There are stuffs too deep for some people here to understand as regards football technicality. I remember i said hazard needed to move into scoring positions to increase his goal tally, he replied with a goal that day. Against arsenal, while every one was hailing his solo goal, conte said he was more impressed by his off the ball movements in the game. Thats how technical soccer is. He got more involved in our attacking moves. This season he had more shots in the box than before, which tells a brilliant mind something. There is a sharp contrast in his defence score compared to what he had in 2014/2015, which clearly is a pointer to why he scored more this term and got more involved in attacks. Hazard said that he was feeling like he just started playing soccer afresh. Experts dont do stvpid analyses i frequently see here on nairaland to rate players. Below is dayo's reliable whoscored.com rating hazard above every other kevin debruyne with their uncountable goals+assists this season. I want raumdeuter to come and condemn his whoscored, cos his colleague had condemned squawka's earlier.

Too little real competition

raumdeuter:
Quaqrelia scored crucial goals vs CHelsea in both legs and in the second round

So whats the meaning of this foolishness you posted

Quaqrelia ko, Trigrelia ni. You need to keep it shut. You can as well say last year's chelsea is still the same chelsea under conte. I gave you three key players who were not there against galatasaray, you were mentioning one unknown striker. Pirlo alone was a huge blow to juve that time.

jonsnow92:
Actually you are the one making ridiculous comparisons.. With this premise you are implying Morata's inclusion and goals is the reason Allegri's Juve got to the final since Morata was the only addition to the same team that was ousted in the group stage the previous season Under Conte..[s]First that premise is Wrong cos Morata alone wasn't the difference..That season Tevez scored the opener against Dortmund in Turin and also scored 2 and assisted one out of the 3 goals scored in the return leg in Dortmund..Tevez also scored a penalty against Madrid to give Juve the victory that same season..
Secondly seeing your desperate measure to place emphasis on Morata's goals..Batshuayi scored the goal that won Chelsea the league..Can we say he's the reason Chelsea won?..
Lastly The truth remains Allegri has done far better than Conte did with Juve..Morata or no Morata[/s]

Next time read initial convos before jumping hurriedly into what you are not called into, all because you want to be read. I wanted to ignore your post initially but it will be of help to some others who like jumping the gun.

airmark:
One was more equipped when it mattered most, than the other. One had kwadwo as lb, the other had evra. One had only llorente as his known main striker, the other had both llorente and morata firing on all cylinders. One had pirlo, the juve midfield talisman missing against schneider and his friends in galatasaray, the other had him dictating the pace for his team.

raumdeuter:
Tevez was there in both games vs Galatasaray

Contes Juventus couldnt beat Galatasaray in both legs. with buffon, Barzagli, Bonnuci Chiellini Tevez, Pogba Vidal Lichtsteiner Lloriente

Local champion things.

Address the points raised. Morata scored crucial goals in both legs against dortmund and real to push juve to the final. How many did he score for conte in ucl? Stop making ridiculous comparison in soccer.

raumdeuter:
Contes Juve was demolished easily by Bayern home and away, they lost to Galatasaray in the CL

Allegri Juve beat Madrid to get to the final, This year beat Barca to get to the final

There is surely a difference between a team that is getting knocked out by Galatasaray andone that is beating Barca and Madrid

One was more equipped when it mattered most, than the other. One had kwadwo as lb, the other had evra. One had only llorente as his known main striker, the other had both llorente and morata firing on all cylinders. One had pirlo, the juve midfield talisman missing against schneider and his friends in galatasaray, the other had him dictating the pace for his team.

Griffon:
This is a man who knows his onion walahi.Apparently, he is on a steep learning curve for highlighting our dismal outings in the seasons we were expected to build on our triumphs.

Now that we have won the league and are back in Europe, I expect Don Conte to show me the stuff he is made of next season. It is also great to have him talking about bringing his family over to London, we can now get to squash those inter Milan move speculations.

Let us just KTBFFH!

David luiz confirmed that conte talked to him and made him to work on his weaknesses. Hazard said he knew next to nothing about the importance of off-the-ball movement until this season. He has more shots in goal area, than he had in 2014/2015. If conte could light up giaccherini, our key players will shine under this man next season.

hinky:
He was singing d song like a proper naija boy

Yes o. He goes to lagos regularly.

Ibime:
[s]This is why you are a mugu, because after arguing nonsense about squawka attack score being what professional managers use and other metrics being what professionals use, you have demurred to telling us goals is the only metric you can back. I will be back on this matter on Monday if Hazard fails to score, then all 3 metrics will be below 2014/15, and then you will start to explain why attack score is still higher. Mugu.[/s]

You lost it man, stop disgracing yourself by trying to twist my submissions. You threw up a challenge you weren't even prepared for and started stammering when i accepted. Put your L by your side and s L ide into oblivion. Chat sh1t, get banged.

How much did Davido give Ola Aina to sing his song on chelsea tv ? 30 billion for the account o.

Ibime:
[s]I knew you eediot would try to deflect which is why when I stated the seasons I told you exactly what it was.

Now this is where you expose your poor sense of proportional reasoning.

So Hazard had 0.46 Vs 0.44 for goals scored - similar
And 0.15 Vs 0.22 for assists

We already know key Passes was better in 14/15 so let's make it simple and leave it out knowing it would work in 14/15 favour.

So we can just deal with goals and assists.

Now, mugu, this is how weighted average works. You assign a number between 0 and 100 for goals and a number between 0 and 100 for assists.

Tell me mugu, what is the weighting between goals and assists that would make one score Hazard 38 attack score in 16/17 and 33 in 14/15? That is where the subjectivity of the weighting comes in. It is either you are suggesting the 0.02 difference in goals (5% difference) far outweighs the 0.07 gap in assists to ensure (46% difference) that 16/17 score is 5 points higher, or as I told you, there is poor weighting distribution between the other metrics which should be irrelevant. [/s]

You always use wrong premise to conclude, thats why you getting trumped. You have misinformed this house several times and i kept mute cos i know you hardly back out, even when presented with facts. Calling me mugu 1m times will not change the fact that you dropped fallacies, got called out and got banged. I am waiting for those 2 seasons hazard had more goals than this term. Then, i can proceed to explain how hazard has more attack score this season. Atole.

pamcode:
Really bro. Why don't you post the number of matches played.
Hazard played 62 games in 2013
Hazard played 49 games in 2014
Hazard played 52 games in 2015
Hazard can't play more than 43 games this season, so of course his output is expected to be lower. In fact the only area Hazard diminshed is his assist output, his 15 league goals is higher than any other season plus Hazard has always been our penalty taker right from when he joined us. This season he hasn't scored more than 3 from the spot am sure of that.

I just weak. I wanted to point it out that hazard scored more penalties in 2014/2015 than in this season yesternight. It's disgusting bro.

Ibime:
Overall attack score dumbo. Here it is.

Much better assist ratio.
Better key passes ratio
Similar goal ratio.

Which tells me that other factors such as dribbling etc have affected the overall score with undue influence due to poor weighting distribution in Squawkas formula.

What nonsense is similar goal ratio ? Stop disgracing yourself this early morning bro. You promised to show me 2 seasons where hazard had more goals than this season. Stop injecting one stvpid similar goal ratio thingy. Below is your line, i didnt make it up. I am waiting.

Ibime:
If I show you two seasons where Hazard had better goals, better key passes, similar assists yet had lower attack score, would you agree the total attack score on squawka can be misleading.

Ibime:
Pull up Hazard 2013/14 Vs 2016/17.

Goals per 90 minutes
Assists per 90 minutes
Key passes per 90 minutes
Overall score

Ibime:
This is why I keep it simple. If I show you two seasons where Hazard had better goals, better key passes, similar assists yet had lower attack score, would you agree the total attack score on squawka can be misleading.

From attack score to overall score. You think you are arguing with a dumbass?. You have switched to ramuzaki's mode, full-blown. Even in 2013/2014, hazard had 14 goals and not up to this season's. Next time dont argue blindly throwing a challenge you cant survive in. Collect your L and drive to peckham to settle guys with some bucks, for your sins to be forgiven.

Ibime:
This is why I keep it simple. If I show you two seasons where Hazard had better goals, better key passes, similar assists yet had lower attack score, would you agree the total attack score on squawka can be misleading.

Your conclusion is wack, cos again you based it on faulty premise. Show me not two seasons, just 1 epl season hazard had more goals, similar assists and more key passes and has lower attack score compared to this season? If you cant produce that then you should appologise for wasting my time on this needless convo.

hensben:
Hazard is more than goals and assist reason he's rated above those players you mentioned.

The mumu has no brain to figure that out. They think assists and goals are all in football. They dont even know that you can create great chance with your off-the-ball movement without touching the ball. These are stuffs ramuzaki and co dont know, adding assists and goals together, typing rubbish.

Ibime:
What soccer experts? This is how you told us you were using pig-in-the-middle to learn slide tackling as a soccer expert.

My friend shush. In the first place there is little difference in the attack score of the nonsense you posted, and not enough to base any argument that defensive manager was holding back Hazard. First show of foolishness.

In the second place, you don't have any idea of how squawka scores are aggregated. You think managers are as dumb as you to use the aggregated attack score in choosing between players? The aggregated score is no more valid than FPL scoring system for awarding bonus points. I can show you squawka where a player has more goals, similar assists, more key passes yet rated lower probably because he had less dribbles. How they aggregate their scores is based on them assigning weighted averages to each metric which different people will disagree with. For example, they might not place strong weight on no of touches, whereas Pep Fraudiola might. . . . . or they might place more weight on number of dribbles whereas a manager might not. Other attacking players also get points aggregated for clean sheets when clean sheets has little to do with them.

You just go on squawka, don't understand what you are reading and come here sounding ignorant. You were even dumb enough to call it "points per game" as if squawka total score is some universal metric that every football club uses, as if the clubs don't have their own data analysts to churn the raw data from Opta and aggregate exactly what they are looking for. Who told you dumbass that football managers use Squawka total score to choose their players? Squawka ko, why not Castrol Power Rankings or Fantasy Premier League score?

This is why I kept it simple to goals and assists so numbers are not misconstrued.

Well since you have chosen squawka attack rating as your God and given up the freedom to think and calculate for yourself, go and argue with Squawka about Alexis Sanchez and Hazard. . . .or if you prefer, go and argue with Squawka when they tell you Herrera has outperformed Dembele and Kante.

We are talking of attacking returns (goals and assists), you are going to bring squawka total score. Mscheeew.

There is no much difference tween you and ramuzaki in twisting one's statement. I wont digress from the main argument. Why wont there be little difference in attack score staring you in the face to dismiss your wrong view?. You just look for assists and goals and start using your business accounting skills to conclude who is bad and who is not. Thats why you are blind to see other crucial stuffs players like iniesta brings to the table. You try so hard to discountenance other areas of rating a player, highighting assists as if the number is not a function of how effective those you give passes are, in front of goal. We saw it clearly in hazard's case this season. Thats why i want him to go to madrid and play with better players after winning ucl with us. To everyone who is not blind, the higher defence score in 2014/2015 clearly shows that hazard had more defensive responsibility then than now. With costa of 2014/2015,hazard would have easily got 30+goals /assists this term. You cant serve us balderdash, hazard can develop on his new freedom next season and with a great poacher who will not destroy our attacking moves, he will hit greater numbers. Saying this season, he is least-productive is, shocking when the numbers even disagree with you. If you could throw away the improvement in his key passes, possession, improved contributions to attack, then no need to argue further as you are ready to grow beards in your delusions.

Ibime:
I have little time for those who don't even understand numbers when they look at them and how they are derived.


Hazard 32 goals/assists in 2015 in 52 games = 0.63 goal contribution per game.

Hazard 23 goals/assists in 2017 in 41 games = 0.56 goal contribution per game.

So stop mumbling jargon and tell me exactly how you calculate the nonsense you are saying. Do you even know how those things you look at are average weighted? Don't let me make example out of you this night for talking beyond your capacity.

1 season with Di Matteo, 2.5 seasons with JM, 0.5 seasons with Hiddink and 2 season with Conte, and no upturn under Conte. Proof enough that this nonsense "defensive manager" yarns is just an excuse to hide under.

Soccer experts will throw this into a trash can. I have shown you other stuffs experts look for, you keep adding assists and goals together. Thats how you concluded kdb was better than hazard since 3 seasons ago even when not in the same league. Costa of 2014/2015 would have buried most of assists supplied by hazard and you wouldnt have got the nerve to be calling him out on low assists. Even at that, I juxtaposed the rating of this season and 2014/2015 using squawka. May be key passes and other essentials are not needed in soccer anymore.

You guys descended on ramuzaki and choked him. Apari will always support his fraudulent apari colleague. Fraudiola gang

Ibime:
Dude, what is points per game? You ain't talking to no bozo. How do you calculate points per game? Explain it to me in simple English - what is the numerator and what is the denominator?

I know you ain't talking about league points per game which every player gets. You can't be.

Have you accepted that hazard is more productive in the team this season than he was in 2014/2015? That's what i have time to show you in my last post. I have little time for long explanation.

Ibime:
What is points per game? Everybody's points per game is higher because the teams points are higher.

Hazard 37 goals/assists in 2013
Hazard 27 goals/assists in 2014
Hazard 32 goals/assists in 2015
Hazard 23 goals/assists in 2017 (now penalty taker)

And one clown will blame defensive managers for holding him back in the past because he decided to eat too many kebabs last season and lost his sharpness. Meanwhile this is lowest season for attacking returns except kebab season.

That's your own criteria for rating player's productivity and it's not the coaches' standard. Using Points per game encompasses more than that. Hazard must always be blamed for the numerous assists he gave costa and others and they fumbled. The image attached may be helpful though.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/secondary/Chelsea-news-940779.jpg

Wins and not wings. Red bull devils, heard?.

lordfalcao:
yea I did quote it...

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Funlord2:
You are suffering from constipation!

Ibime:
Very soon you will know the difference between an african predator and english prey, difference between Traore and rashidiford.

This is Hazards least productive season except the season he chose to become a fatboy.

This is debatable, only that i'm a bit busy now. Hazard's points per game in epl this season is more than that of 2014/2015 season.

Chelseafan1:
Omo, dem fire me for ds thread no be small.

Na only me, Airmark and Hensben dey talk am say Mourinho dey live on past glory....bros don finish.

He was looking like mumu, forming boss, losing points every week. Ivanovic was leaking goals, turning averaged wingers to sudden stars, as fans burnt monies on tickets, wasting their time waiting for miracle. His time has passed. Some plastic chelsea fans even wanted conte to fail cos of mou's ouster. I am a chelsea fan first, i wish him all the worst at man utd. Down must man utd and the coach go.

bykebyke:
When I say Bull,you say Shït.

BullShït.

When did Arsenal last win the league to make them genuine title contenders?

When did Liverpool last win the league to make them title contenders?

Or Tottenham? Or Everton.

So teams that won the league 15-20years ago are title contenders but Atletico that won it in 2013 aren't title contenders.

FOH.

He asked you simple question , you started writing epistle. Who will win epl next season?

Chelseafan1:
Airmark, Pelvicky dey hail u o

Truth is bitter. Trust me it's constant. I know, not all barca fans are stvpid like those that couldnt reason when faced with brilliant points.

Chelseafan1:
Airmark, Can you still remember when our apari Uncle Raumdeuter tagged Hart Kane a one-sesson wonder player?? How we fit take dig that post out

Leave that oponu apari alone jare. Omo digging no easy o. Using another technique now, you wont kill me. I dont have hausas' strength.

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Ibime:
Nihilist will be pained tonight. See as Kane just overtake Lukaku like Carl Lewis in the last 20 metres.

Lukaku to score hat trick against arsenal.

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SeekinAttention:
So Fraudiola should not win EPL bkos it is local?

This Apari is mad

Dayo is a scumbag.

raumdeuter:
Oponu akinrada, Pep isnt a local coach, leave winning EPL to the likes of Conte nd Ranieri

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Now tell us new stuff? Pep was brought only to qualify and win ucl, right ?