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donstan18:
That incarnation??


Mehn! Wizkid is finished for real!!

Ibime, over to you.

Jodera:
When have majority of you ever supported him even when he played good game.?

If indeed you'll support him as your player, you won't bash his Uefa award he won calling him a carry along. Even Van dijk have gained more support from you than Jorg, so just skip that support part like you've ever supported him

I never went berserk on him like this before just subtle criticisms. But when you people now started to talk as if he led the team to Ucl glory, brought his Uefa award and claiming the best in our midfield, that's when the wire cut and I needed to hammer on his defensive uselessness.

Tuchel was a fowl for not doing the needful before the season started.

Kilishihunter:
I want a younger replacement myself, I also slander busquets chief but what I'm just saying is he wasn't at fault for the Bayern goals plus he also put in a good shift yesterday, Shikena

No be today my brother. This is not hating on him but exposing his usual weakness that calls for questions.

Below was me in 2017, similar thing happened and it only got highlighted because the opponent utilized it. He is one lucky bastard that was at Barca at the best time and he overachieved, because of great players that carried him.

The point is, nobody should overrate that spineless DM as the best DM ever for here.

Kilishihunter:
We were behind and needed an urgent response so there's little surprise a "CDM" was pressing high to win the ball back, Every DM strays forward sometimes either for attacking purposes or winning the ball higher up the pitch, It's left him for him to instruct others to cover up for him which other "CDMs" do too which he did, Unfortunately dembele easily lost sane before he interchanged with musiala, Also as you can see from the image we were playing a highline reason why I put it on the defence not stopping him from the LB to the CBs

Keep defending what's undefendable. Busquets is a sluggish DM that leaves his area unchecked during games and I remember I had highlighted this many times back then, when many of you were blind to facts. Maybe you never joined this forum then. That's how Carvajal ran from RB through to the box 18 to set up Bale for Ronaldo's goal that year.

Good that Bayern exposed him again.

BlueAngel444:
I want to say this not just to you but to all those carrying this Jorginho matter on ya heads, as much as I want Chelsea to move on from Jorginho as well as move on from Kante, it doesn't take away what either of them have done for Chelsea. They both deserve what they have gotten so far, and apart from Messi, Ronaldo and an extremely few others I can't count many that have won UEFA, FIFA play of the year or Balon d'Or, or even their leagues player of the year that didn't deserve it. That doesn't mean they were the best players on the planet but they gave a consistent performance over the season to the very top of it. It was their performance that season that won them the award.

No matter what opinions anyone other persons has, as long as it's not illegal, that award will remain for generations to come. Simple, so the fact you or anyone else feels another player deserves it, its just for arguement sake.

You mentioned Modric, I see some counting Kantes Motm awards, forgetting how many Ronaldo won that very 2018, or how many other players won that year but still their total performance for that season didn't measure up to Modric's. By the way I doubt if Modric won more than 2 Motm in 2018, if it even pass self e no go reach 5.

So did Jorginho's total performance in Ucl beat Kante's? Donarumma was better than him in Euros, while Kante was better in Ucl. That's the fact you people can't burst.

Kilishihunter:
Everything na busquets, If sane didn't cap that individual run with a goal, I'm sure you'll still find a way to link the first goal to him , Someone who won the most tackles yesterday, See him pressing high, even your Kante and makelele won't catch sane from that position even if they take boosters, That goal was on the defence for allowing him run through
Drag him all you want but Oga he was one of the best players on the pitch yesterday

They called him a DM, you are happy that he was pressing opposition's CB in his half. You and the sissy DM need to go back to the academy.

Meanwhile, what concerned me with your Busquets again after majority of Barca fans already saw the light after many years of opening their eyes. You mentioned me here about his performance and I had to reply you with how Busquets was away from his defensive duty and allowed Bayern to penetrate from the midfield (where he should be manning) to stab the heart of your defence to kill the game.

A great DM smells danger before it happens.
Go and get to know the duties of a DM while opposition is about to penetrate the middle to understand where Busquets annoyingly stood.

Jodera:
He was top 3 in best Midfielders in UCL, that alone debunks anything that he was carried.
Made Tots in UCL and Euros, while your Kante couldn't.

This is his award, and he won it being as a starter and influential starter
Your dislike no fit carry am from him, the same way Dayo dislike for Van dijk wey no fit make am carry am from him too

VVD and Kante were hailed by many top players that faced them and they confirmed their extraordinary abilities. Jorginho is an average midfielder who is lucky to have players shielding his weaknesses like forever. Kante and Kovacic's incessant injuries had exposed him well and if Zakaria doesn't follow suit, we can manage him until they get him out by January or summer.

Jorginho will survive in a possession-based team or a team with hulks available in the middle to cover for his annoying defensive frailties.

He is our player and will support him, but when it's time to say the truth, an Arsenal fan like you known for loving mediocrities should keep off.

When a team has a spineless DM that is too sluggish to shield his defence properly, situation like this below will continuously happen that exposes the defence and there will be consequence.

Like Busquets, like Jorginho.

Jodera:
You can hate/dislike Jorginho all you want, it's your personal choice, but do not discredit that award he have especially as you're a believer of awards.

When Modric won it, he was the best midfielder in Ucl. When Van dijk won it, he was awarded the best defender in the Ucl too. But when it reached Jorginho's, story changed as Kante won best midfielder award in the Ucl. This alone should tell you that there was a glitch in the award given to Jorginho.

Those of us that watched almost all Chelsea's matches have better info on players' performances than you outsider clinging to Jorginho's awards.

When we are talking about extraordinary things, we are not talking about converting PKs. Kante carried Jorginho in that Ucl and Ucl fans know this. Yuropa fans should be quiet. Fact only.

Jodera:
The Koko be say, the award wey you dey use hype Van dijk naim your Jorginho hold too. I support the van dijk stance because I believe in the award and it's same reason why I'm supporting the Jorginho stance too. You've not proved that anybody who won that award before or after Jorginho is a carry-along cos of the standard of how that award is. So it therefore means that Jorg can't be a carry-along

You can't use same high standard award to hype Van dijk then denigrate Jorginho using the same award, e no gel. If e easy, why no Chelsea player don carry am for the past 10yrs?

I didn't use only awards to hype VVD, he actually worked extraordinarily on the field to deserve it. For over a year now, you haven't spelt out the extraordinary things Jorginho did, that shows that he wasn't carried by Kante in the Ucl.

VVD stopped Lewandowski from scoring, he scored and assisted to get Bayern Munich knocked out in Munich. VVD stopped Kane in the final and again won Motm award for his efforts.

Stop bringing players that deservedly got their awards near Jorginho, if you don't want god of soccer to send thunder to fire you.

Kilishihunter:
Busquets abi alonso, Wo alaga I no even get time to follow you argue sef, Make I go grieve

Continue defending rubbish. The run into the heart of your defence for that 2nd goal shouldn't be that easy, more thanks to a spineless CDM, Busquets, found wanting as usual

No be all Barca fans no get eyes.

Bimmarlykay:


Why not start Kessie,De jong using old Busquet in a match intensive game like this.

Jodera:
Jorginho came third in the "best Midfielder" category just only behind Kante and Kdb. I don't know how a top 3 nominee is a carry-along in all the lists of Midfielders that partook in that UCL.

This is just like you saying Xavi is a carry-along when he came 3rd in 2010 balon d'Or just because his fellow Midfielder iniesta came 2nd. Any fan without bias will know that Xavi and iniesta were the great Midfield lynchpin that year that's why both were in top 3.

Chelsea own dey different, Kante and Jorginho are both nominated in top 3 best Midfielder award and instead of seeing that as a validity that both were great Midfielders (just as Xavi-iniesta scenario), you guys are seeing it as Kante carrying Jorginho.
If he wasn't nominated at all sef, your point would have been better

This thing dey very very funny na

Stop bringing Iniesta and Xavi near Jorginho after you failed with your Modric's 2018 move. All these players had things to show on the pitch of play unlike Jorginho giving back and sideways passes up and down, only to get bullied by unknown midfielders when Kante wasn't available.

Put Kante in place of Jorginho and you won't be typing epistles and getting water dripping from your nostrils just to defend him.

Kilishihunter:
Airmark I hope you could see busquets intercepting and winning balls this first half

I hope you saw how your team conceded the 2nd goal just now? Busquets is a useless DEFENSIVE midfielder.

Jodera:
I don list them today already na .
What is the difference between how Modric won his and how Jorginho won his own?

I won't to know Why Modric own is generally accepted but Jorginho own isn't

The year Modric won it, he was also awarded the best midfielder in the Ucl. The year your Jorginho won it, Kante won the best midfielder in Ucl award. Can you see the difference? When we told you people from other clubs ignorantly defending Jorginho, that Kante carried Jorginho in Ucl, don't ask for the wheelbarrow.

Jodera:


E reach Jorginho time, Uefa and balon d'Or award don turn "anyhow" award

Show me any Uefa or Balon d'Or top 3 that was a carry along before or after Jorginho

Leave past winners and talk about extraordinary things Jorginho did to merit it.

Ibime:
You don't take account voting patterns. Jogginghoe came third in an era after Messi and Ronaldo. His only competition was Chelsea players and English and Italian club players who don't garner votes traditionally.

Varane finished top 7 and every body that finished ahead of him had bucket load of goals and won titles that season.

Modric won UCL and dragged a lowly Croatia to WC final. Ronaldo and Messi can win on goals alone, not to mention Ronaldo won UCL and should have won if not for his rãpe case. Griezmann and Mbappe had goals and world cup to their name.

Varane should not smell top 20 on a normal day.

Varane is a scrub that was carried by both handles just like Jogginghoe. Varane also finished in teams of the tournament and other nonsense you put up for Jogginghoe. Team of the tournament is usually picked from the two finalists plus the odd player that did well up to semifinal. Therefore Jogginghoe competition in UCL team of the tournament was Gundogan. In Chelsea alone, Kante, James, Rudiger, Chilwell, Mendy, Havertz and Mount outperformed him without doubt, even those who didn't play all 90 minutes of each game like Pulisic, Thiago and Chris can be argued.

How can the bridesmaid be the bride just because she went to two weddings?

Missed your battle bars.

Jodera:
And you use individual awards to back it up right?

Not anyhow awards and both must gel.

WhoDeyHause:
I can't wait for bayern to destroy your dead club this night as usual. Raumdeuter you people should not disappoint us like you did in your own stadium in 2012 champions league final.

Barca chai.

Jodera:
Lol, never knew a day will come whereby UCL Motm award or Euro POTM will be better than Uefa men's best player award or Balon d'Or top 3 award.

People who didn't/doesn't rate Busquet (calling him a carry-along) because his doesn't have any FIFA/Uefa award to backup his performances are now denigrating same award cos Jorginho won it.

People who use same award to hype Van dijk is now ashamed to use same award to at least credit their player.

Nothing wey no go make Agenda to agend

We used eye test too to confirm how defensively useless Busquets was/is, as a DEFENSIVE midfielder.

raumdeuter:
You mean Kante was not recognized by UEFA in the same award you told us differentiate carry along from the carrier

So it's fair to say Jorginho carried Chelsea to the CL since he got the award that matter

No, Uefa, Man city, Jorginho, and everybody recognized Kante as the one that carried Jorginho in the midfield. He got Motm awards back to back in knockout stage .

raumdeuter:
Sneijder was not UEFA best player Milito was and was rightly given

So explain again why Kante didnt get the UEFA award for best player

I was referring to how Sneijder was robbed in Balon d'or, same way Kante was robbed in the Uefa award. You are an ambassador of performance on the field, so Kante got it done and also made team of the tournament with Motm awards back to back to back it up.

Jorginho thanked him heartily.

raumdeuter:
Where is Kantes award the year Chelsea won the CL

He wasn't given like it happened to Sneijder that year.

raumdeuter:
This is Jorginhos UEFA award for his exploits when Chelsea won the CL. Show us any other CHelsea player with this award

Jorginho had already thanked Kante like Fraudiola did to Messi.

raumdeuter:
You showed us evidence of Donnaruma winning the award to show he carried Jorginho

Now show us who won the UEFA best player in the CL to show who was carrying who

We no need affidavit from anyone

Donnaruma passed both the eye test and award test. Even Jorginho knew that Kante helped him out in Ucl, he was thankful.

raumdeuter:
Now show us who was awarded the UEFA mens player of the year 2021 for the CL campaign. A similar award to what Donnaruma won hat you proudly displayed

You asked a question and I have answered you, good that you didn't object. Kante carried Jorginho to win Ucl and Jorginho, Man city and even Potter know it.

raumdeuter:
Jorginho won Euros without Kante. Who should he thank for that

See below.

Just as Fraudiola should worship Messi for his Ucl achievements, Jorginho should thank Kante for his Ucl medal.

Midgets determining the fates of Overrated ones in Ucl.

raumdeuter:
Is Kroos the reason why Hidden Hazard has been keeping clean sheets in all games he started this season

Ask him.

raumdeuter:
Any match Hazard starts this season he has been keeping clean sheets, Do you know why?

You should ask Kroos.

lordfalcao:
Madrid has always been conceding 4 out of 5 matches before rudiger signed..

You don’t have a point

In the matches they got clean sheets this season, Rudiger didn't start. All the matches he started they conceded.

It seems he will only be starting against the spineless Mallorcas of this world.

raumdeuter:
How will they spend 6yrs when they get sacked in 2yrs

That's why Fraudiola said he has unexplainable grace at Man city, that other coaches never had at bigger clubs.

raumdeuter:
How much has Chelsea spent in the same time

Mention a coach that spent over 1.5bn on Chelsea in 6yrs that didn't turn Epl to his farm. Fraudiola would have been sacked at Chelsea in his first season.