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Jorginho, before they got his number, wasn't bad.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY2_mZIvc-I



This is why i want Busquets to get his lazy legs to epl, if he won't be worse.

popizaino:
Micheal carrick survived the epl playing as a dmf even with his physical fragilities but busquest won’t survive the same epl to the reason best known to them.


Laughable.

Carrick wasn't as slow as Busquets.

raumdeuter:
Bundesliga weakling with a goal and assist today

At his age a certain shakushaku dancer was the best player in the league.

BlueAngel444:
so coach airmark where will ginho play

he should swap with kante right . u do know kante functions best as a box to box DM (which is still kinda of his role now)

when Conte used Fabregas, Kante, Bakayoko. was Fabregas not in that same Ginho's role?

I'm not a coach bro.

Must your Ginho play, if he's no more bringing anything to the table? Ferdinand was not totally wrong:

“Jorginho’s someone who sets the tempo of a game. You get the ball into him through the middle third of the pitch, he’s very good.

“[But] How many assists has he got this season? Around 2,000 passes, no assists.

“He’s not a great defender. Once a game gets like this against the big teams, he gets overrun in midfield.

“He can’t run. So he doesn’t give you anything defensively, and he doesn’t give you anything up the other end of the pitch.”






This is the same reason i was asking for Busquets, to bring his lazy legs to epl, where every week he will be running 10,000km per match.

nateevs:
How can you say "no matter the pressure"? There is just no evidence on earth to back this up and you know it.

Come on bro, i used hardly in my post, nobody is perfect.

This your statement is totally incorrect, as you cant compare Essien's toughness on the ball to Jorginho's. As many people criticised Mikel, he protected balls under pressure better than Romeu. Players have strengths and weaknesses.

After we lost to barca in 2009, Essien said he never played against a player that guarded the balls all night like Iniesta. I was telling you it's harder to dispossess some players, despite serious pressing, such that you would have to foul them. I don't need any document to back it, we have eyes. If i bring gifs now, you would repeat same line you dropped when i backed my opinion of Morata as King of misses.

nateevs:
How can you say "no matter the pressure"? There is just no evidence on earth to back this up and you know it. What you are seeing is a manifestation of many opponent's perception of the futility of such of move.

The truth is Iniesta and Modric play for teams where targeting a player makes defending as a unit potentially dangerous, because there is always another player just as effective. Therefore the whole plan is non-starter. So because you hardly see this done, you assume Modric "no matter the pressure" will not be marked out of a game. No conclusion can be more wrong.

If you put Modric as regista in Sarri's system and then Kante and Barkley alongside him, he becomes infinitely easier to mark out. And this is exactly why it is easier to mark out Jorginho.

Conversely, if Jorginho played in the same role alongside Verrati and Modric in midfield, and Hazard, Salah and Aguero in attack, who becomes the target? Opposition teams will have to approach defending from a different angle, focus less on man-marking an individual and suddenly Jorginho becomes infinitely more effective.

Jorginho is not an average player by any stretch of the imagination. This dude averages 90 passes per game consistently when not man-marked. Easily the player with the most passes in the league (over 150 more than Laporte in second place) and he's not even in the top 40 for most minutes played. Which means his passes per minute is infinitely off the charts. You don't do that by being average. You don't do that by being lazy either. Jorginho covers an average 12km per 90mins, putting him easily in the top 3 for distance covered in the PL. More than Kante who is known to cover the world (correct as at the last time I followed the stats).


Chelsea's problems are not Jorginho's fault. It is not his fault either that he gets targeted easily. He gets easily targeted primarily because apart from Hazard, the whole Chelsea 11 are not dangerous with the ball. You can blame Sarri's system or blame something else, but less of this Jorginho thing abeg. It's not like he's Bakayoko who loses the ball before it reaches him.


This is why I don't get the overall premise of this argument.

I'm not here to argue on Jorginho being an average player or not. It was even the guy i was arguing with, that opined that he was average.

In case you dont know what brought the arguement- Busquets in epl would be exposed as a defensive weakling. As a dm, your primary responsibility, if you are not playing for barca, is to protect your defence. That was where i was coming from, and i only used Jorginho as an example of how in epl, your anchor man should be physical on the ball. So, no need for all these long notes you typed.

Sarri : “The club knows what I want, I’m sure they are doing their best but whoever arrives will have difficulties with the mentality of today”.

Mr Sarri, please use players where their skills will be optimally utilized. I hope you are not making excuses already for Higuain.

''Gonzalo Higuain's move to Chelsea has been put on hold temporarily, as Milan will need to secure a replacement before letting the Argentinian go. With that said, the Blues activity has been blocked.

However, as it seems, this will be cleared up very soon. AC Milan have already reached an agreement in principle with Genoa for Piatek, who is expected to arrive on a permanent transfer for €40m. The player has also reached an agreement with the Rossoneri, set to earn around €2m per year.

As soon as the deal is announced, which reportedly will take place on Tuesday, then Higuain's move to Chelsea will be finalized as well. From there on, the Stamford Bridge side will also be able to give their go-ahead to Atletico Madrid for Morata. In other words, two of their operations depend on Piatek's move to Milan.''

This Higuain sha.

Adiwana:
First,Fernandinho is just there.Nothing special about him.He is the Jorginho of Man City.[/b]He loses possession under intense pressing.Just get good midfielders that can keep the ball and press then you would see he's very useless.With good players that do their job in attack he's good.But go toe to toe with him in the midfield,he fumbles.

[b]He is important to Pep mainly because Man City doesn't have another DM.So it's only natural that for a coach like Pep that plays DM system,he will look important because of his role.Noting more,nothing less

So you think if Fraudiola is not satisfied with Fernardinho he wouldn't have bought another? So Fernardinho can't mark, can't run like Jorginho? Have a nice day brother.

Adiwana:
Oga,I no understand your argument.How many matches has Barca played in the champions league with Messi injured.Barca were winning RM 3-0 at Santiago without Messi until he was brought in.Demolished them this season without him

This season only? Even they lost to farmers anyhow this season

Adiwana:
Jorginho is not even a good player and I have said it before.Coupled with the fact that he has a coach that has refused allow Kante cover his deficiencies

Just like Jorginho at Napoli, those are the deficiencies that Busquets needed no one to cover for him at Barca. He cant run, he cant defend, just receive and pass.

Adiwana:
Physicality is not his strong suite and that is where an energetic Box to box midfielder comes in to provide that extra shield

In epl as a dm, you will be asked questions by opponents every week. You are on your own, Kante can't be doing your work for you.

Adiwana:
As I have already said,teams play can exist with or without Busquet.If the guy is in Chelsea with a good coach that will utilise him well,marking him means play will go through Kovacic and Kante.All he needs to do is play one or two passes or no passes at all.He can easily just shield the defense by just dropping deep and being an extra man thereby allowing Alonso more freedom to push up or drop in as an extra midfileder.This means is either the strikers mark him or an extra man from midfield will just like Ramsey did yesterday thereby leaving extra space in the midfield for players like Kovacic to expolit.The team will easily channel the ball from the defense through Kante who is more energetic.Imagine what will happen if Pep gets him.Man city struggle without Fernadinho who is not even technically gifted and is less football intelligent than busquet.What then will happen if he plays under Pep??

Didn't see the highlighted before mentioning Fernandinho's influence in Fraudiola's team. Now that you mentioned it, what do you think made Fernandinho important in that city team?

Busquit in Chelsea, defending for Alonso? Say no more.

Adiwana:
Barca win more of their games when Messi is injured than when hes around The argument could be null though given the ratio of matches played with and without him but you can't overlook it.They've shown they can cope fine without him and this are facts.But Busquet??Barca can't play without Busquet.They struggle heavily without him and that is the more reason why the club has slowly integrated him from DM to CM over the years.Because the more he plays as anchor,the harder it is to find a replacement.So the only option is to play him as more of holding CM.But still at that you won't ever see Barca drop him or give him rest.Be it cup or league games.


The False 9,Anchor role are if not the most difficult roles to play in football and that is why players that are good at this positions are once in a life time kind of players.Players like Messi,Makelele and Busquets are priceless to their clubs.Ask RM what happened when they sold Makelele.Any player with flare and vision can play as a Regista,playmaker,striker etc but it takes a special kind of player to play the above mentioned rolea

You are ridiculous, Barca have so much quality in attack to kill all the eibars in laliga. How many times did Barca win ucl without Messi playing from the knockout stages? How many classicos did you guys win without Messi?

I wasn't talking about Busquets in laliga or barca, i'm talking about in epl, where Busquets would be chased up and down and where he also needs to do some chasing. Why do you think people are praising Fernandinho in Fraudiola's team?

nateevs:
But this can be said for literally any footballer that is not Messi or Ronaldo. If any player is paid enough attention, in any league, their abilities to effect a game can well and truly be nullified.

What exactly is the point of these arguments?

Some players no matter the pressure, they hardly lose possession, they don't need to look like Lukaku. Iniesta, Modric are my favourites in this aspect.

Busquets' weaknesses won't make him survive in epl, just as we are seeing in Jorginho's case, Busquets' lack of physicality in his game and tracking back like a pregnant woman, will be exposed every week. We are talking about a dm coming to play in epl, not playing for barca in laliga.

Adiwana:
Because he has done it in Spain where there's no Messi and where there's no particular player to be stopped.Trying to mark him out in a game is utterly useless because he's not a player to build your team around.The teams rhythm and style of play will exist whether he's marked or not as he's not a priority player neither is he a player that scores goals or makes defence splitting passes.So coaches have no other option than to pay him no attention which then allows the team to channel their build up play through him.Thats why he was and still the heartbeat of both Barca and the Spanish team

So you've agreed that teams haven't paid him attention, right? Why were you now arguing blindly? That's the reason why he should come to where they would pay him attention every week.

When we started this season, teams didn't pay Jorginho attention, now all guns are pointed to his head by opponents.

Adiwana:
One persons opinion is now that of the whole fans?Have you ever watched Barca without Busquets??Barca can easily replace Messi than Busquets even though his more of a CM this days than a DM.And the guy was suggesting Vidal and Pogba to replace him.This goes to show you his ability to analyse football.How do you replace a DM with Box to Box midfielders?Simply laughable

Who will you easily replace Messi with? Keep deceiving yourself, if you think teams are afraid to go all out against Barca, because of one Busquets?

Replacing Busquets with CM, is to show you how poor defensively Busquets is, such that a CM could do what he does and better.

Busquets would be exposed when he has to fight more for the ball, rather than relax and do his 'receive and pass' thingy. Much of his energy (ofcourse low), will be burnt running, marking and battling for possession. He is buscuit for a reason.

Adiwana:
Oga,no dey try sound smart with all this gifs and actually watch some football match.Its just like showing gifs or videos of where Messi or Ronaldo missed seaters and say because they did on some occasions they are poor finishers.Absolutely ridiculous.


No other CDM is good under pressure than Busquet.He hardly loses possession or composure even under intense pressing from opponents and that is his greatest strength as a player..Hes very good at intercepting and has vision unlike what is obtainable in Jorginho and You cant simply mark him out in games just as you can mark out Jorginho due to teams heavily rely on his transtional play rather than his ability to play some key passes which Jorginho cannot do.Note the difference.

This one na jjc.

Let's assume i didn't watch Busquets that much. Read the opinions of Barca fans, who watched him more than i do and let me know if you have collected the amala stirrer from our own Dayo.

homesteady:
So you think many teams have not tried to man-mark Busquets?

He is softer than Jorginho by far. He's lucky to be in a team like Barca and Spain, where his mates quickly give him options each time he receives passes.

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nihilistjnr:
The only context I have ever heard akpuruka used is similar to below:

But I was raised in Lagos sha, and every word has at least 3 meanings in Lagos

I thought you were an Igbo man born in Ibadan

I only served in the east. I remember ibime thought i was Igbo too.

Missing okpa like mad now.

Unlimited22:
Ironically, akpuruka actually denotes strong, tough and immovable in Igbo.

Never heard that before, nihilist is crazy.

What's akpuruka?

Jorginho even looks strong, it's that Busquets i want to see in epl.

larride:
There you have it.

who sent you to be reporting for us o. Busy body.

Lana1:
Dancing from 11 to 3 points

You will soon dance back

Lana1:
No DJ??

Abeg i wan dance o..

Dancing from 6th position.

Unlimited22:
His stubbornness will be his undoing.

I tell ya. No wonder he never won anything.

Oasis007:


Airmark after Laca scored be like......?!

Mumu Alonso dey do like bilbao defenders dey watch. Let's swap him with Shaw bro.

How much are we to pay Sarri, when we get him sacked? Obvious loopholes in the team and he's not doing much to block them. I cant believe he is asking for Higuain to come with his fatness to epl. Na igbo this one dey smoke, not cigar.

IKON360:
Chelsea has had many legendary players but none in the ilk of Iniesta. Lampard was a better goal scorer, Makele was a better defender, Essien was the box to box king, Fabregas was an excellent deep lying playmaker, and so many others, but none is quite like Iniesta.

Iniesta was also not quite like Lampard. So?

raumdeuter:
Kovac knows his main starters and can afford to give garbage minutes to a bench player like hummels

Give us their total minutes this season and let's see the bench warmer

Shameless amala turner.

raumdeuter:
Are you ashamed of Hummels who is now a Bayern benchwarmer and carry along

How many minutes did your Boathand play today?

iamJ:
People here shouting buy buy buy

They don't know that its not just about buying but some have to leave for some to come in

I remember your defence of Morata in the past, please help us beg him to beg ATM in spanish, to accept the terms offered by Chelsea.

I dont want that spineless striker in my team for the rest of this season.

On Morata:

''Atletico are still in negotiations with Chelsea regarding the percentage of Morata's wages they will pay, with the Liga outfit hopeful of only forking out for 50% of his £120,000 per week salary before entering talks regarding a reduced contract with the player should he make the move permanent.''


They are even afraid to pay well for a striker some dolts wouldn't let us sleep with his fraudulent goals/minute laliga stats, those days. Thunder fire Emenalo.

sod09:
who are these people set...just wake up and add pictures
What happened to Kanu, Diouf, Yakubu, Adebayor

Do you want to replace Drogba with your Yakubu or what?

Ibime:
Dayo is African Peter Crouch. Don't try him on height oh. That guy na giraffe. He is 6ft 5

No wonder elruditor was shouting ''tallness is a talent'', to make Dayo happy.

Lemme check his pics again.