₦airaland Forum

hahn:
Music? Did you just mention music as an achievement? [b]I am pretty sure that by music, you are referring to hip hop and RnB, right? Do you realise that classical music, rock and roll etc were all existing before hip hop was created in the 1980s. For your information, the richest hip hop artist isn't as rich as an average rock and roll group/band. Do you even know what goes on behind the scenes? The equipments used are all made by whites. The enabling market for such music to grow was created by whites. The whole "hollywood" glamor was created by whites.

[/b]Even here in Africa, our music only thrives because we have "copied" what works in the western world and even at that, the quality of our music is still relatively low and cannot be marketed to the world.

As far as the "inventions" go, blacks on African soil have not been able to achieve such feats. At the end of the day, without the enabling environment by the whites, blacks still wouldn't have invented the wheel.

I am from the USA. I live in Chicago, Illinois, but I was born in Memphis, Tennessee. If you know music, then you know the history of those cities in music.

First of all, Classical music is from Egypt. It was played during the eras of the Pharohs on instruments created in that region and still in use today.

The root music of all Western music (meaning USA) is Gospel music, which was song in the fields by the slaves. From gospel music emerged Blues Music, Blue Grass/Country Music and Jazz Music.

Blue Grass/Country music was song by the slaves at minstrel shows using something called a Banjo, which is an instrument from Africa. There is where White people heard that music for the first time and then the Whites people added their highland sounds from Ireland and Scotland which is modern Country music. The slaves started that music.

Blues music is secular gospel music. Blues music is the root music of Rock and Roll. The earliest Rock and Roll artist were black. White kids heard the music and started listening to Black artists. As time passed White formed their own rock and roll bands; but Rock and Roll is black people music.

Jazz music gave rise to Popular music.

If you notice anything about music, then you will notice that all English artists like Eric Clapton, the Beatles and the Rolling Stones all went to the USA and learned from black Blues artist like Howling Wolf, Muddy Waters, BB King, etc.

Rap and all other forms of current Western music, including the stuff by current White pop artist is actually from the Blues or Jazz music.

You can ask any White person in America that is knowledgeable about music and they will tell you that all musical forms in the USA is from the slaves. The only music that White people created was Polka.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_music
http://old.post-gazette.com/magazine/20010218country2.asp


Btw, your statement about inventions by black people on black soil is false. Black in African created one of the most important inventions of all: the smelting of Iron. But for the smelting of Iron, most farming and industrial growth would not have been possible.

http://archaeology.about.com/od/africanironage/qt/african_iron_ag.htm


Like I wrote earlier you can educate yourself if you want or you can remain ignorant. It is up to you.

hahn:
Another emotional response. I'd like to see you claim it back from them

LOL. You are a winner. So you have actually convinced yourself that there were no people in the Americas, before the Europeans. LOL.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/america-before-columbus/
http://rense.com/general43/before.htm
http://www.npr.org/2005/08/21/4805434/1491-explores-the-americas-before-columbus
http://www.amazon.com/They-Came-Before-Columbus-Civilizations/dp/0812968174
http://www.historycentral.com/Indians/Before.html

hahn:
So, explain why 90% of Africans still live in poverty? Didn't the Moors think it will be wise to teach other Africans what they taught Europeans?

I'll just ignore your "racist" comment. Especially considering that even blacks have an issue tolerating other blacks. Ask the Igbos, Yorubas, SAcans etc

Africans live in poverty because of the thefts of the Europeans. The European thefts would not have happened if it were not for the complicit conduct of African Chiefs, Kings and politicos. Now if you want to say that African leadership has been poor, then have at it; but the poverty of Africans has nothing to do with the nonsense you are spewing.

Btw, the Moors were Africans. So empires like Mali had access to writing, mathematics, colleges and universities for centuries. So African societies had access to many of the same things that the Europeans had access to. The difference is that Europeans were closer geographically than many African societies they weren't as ethnically diverse due to the monarchy's intermarrying and the like. So as time passed Europeans shared knowledge and technologies through trade and alliances and marriages and whatnot, even though the average European was completely illiterate up until just the last century and a half. African societies traded technology, but many African societies stay ethnically diverse.

Basil Davidson, an Englishman, wrote a great number of books on the history of Africa Kingdoms if you are interested in reading and learning more about African civilizations. You don't have to remain ignorant, unless you just want to remain in that state of mind.

hahn:
Apparently, you do not understand the comment. Saying blacks were not "accredited" to any inventions doesn't necessarily mean they didn't invent anything. Its similar to Igbos not being accredited to any of their developmental contributions to Lagos just because Lagos belongs to the Yorubas. Go figure

You need to work on your understanding of the English language.

Besides, everything the black man achieved on European soil is as a result of the enabling environment created by whites. If you disagree, then explain to me exactly why Africans have not been able to replicate such great feats on African soil. Whites created welfare for whites and they do have every reason to take advantage of it as opposed to blacks who have been unable to create this same here in Africa. Even South Africa's current level of development cannot be attributed to SAcans

You need to work on your English language and you also need to work on your reasoning abilities. The Moors were not met with not met with an enabling environment in Spain; they were met with hostility which finally overthrew their empire in the 1400's. Moreover, that same environment has existed in Africa in Egypt, Yorubaland, Mali, Songhai, Ghana, Congo and many other kingdoms. Maybe you should do a little bit more reading on the kingdoms of Africa.

What I find hilarious about your responses is that but for the Moors and Arabs; white people would have remained in the dark ages. At the time that the Europeans came to the African shores the Kingdom of the Congo was the equal of the Kingdom of Portugal. Maybe you should do a little bit more reading on Africans, before attempting to look down on them. Hell the numerical system that the Europeans use right now is not even their own. LOL.

AAinEqGuinea:
True. But recalling this point in history and ultimately giving white people all this masterminding glory is making my skin curl.

Almost making me wanna act and talk white, marvel in everything whitey invents, white daddy the savior

Nigerians know that history very well.

White people aren't masterminds now and they were not back then either. They just recognized that Africans were foolish and wouldn't stick together, even when sticking together was in all of their best interest. From my reading I can only find a few great African leaders during that era could see what the Europeans were up to back then (I think that one was an Oba in Yorubaland). And I know that Africans know their history; I just hope that we can learn from it.

Fulaman198:
The crimes in Nigeria though are no where as horrific as the crimes in the United States, contrary to popular media. For the most part besides the maggots who go by the name of "Boko Haram", Nigeria, no West Africa in general is a safe place. Most Africans are a very welcoming and kind people and that's where I kind of think the over-passiveness comes from.

Most African Americans are a kind welcoming people. Tread carefully, because White people fund most of the groups that make black people everywhere look bad. That is how they keep you divided and you will remain conquered.

AAinEqGuinea:
Some Nigerians feel embolden by their slave abetting past. Tread carefully, you might provoke erec.tion

They shouldn't feel embolden. It was that slave abetting past that ended up making them slaves, because as soon as the White man had taken slaves to the Americas; the White man then focused on those that he was going to make slaves right in Africa. So it was the foolishness of getting involved with slaving that ended up making them slaves, because that is what being colonized was about.

Fulaman198:
I think for African Americans to fight back against racism, bigotry and perpetuated violence against them, they would have to fight back with education and the book. Physical violence (though many Afr.Americans have died by the gun due to police brutality), won't allow them to win. However, the reason why Jews are so powerful is due to their education. African Americans need to become powerful like that. Through education, one can fight back more effectively. That isn't to say that evil people won't cease killing them (remember the Holocaust? Germans kept killing Jews).

Overall, blacks have suffered a lot. That's due to the fact of

1. Being overly passive
2. Being overly trusting (not all blacks are this way, Fulanis hardly trust anyone except ourselves).
3. Not recognizing that togetherness is the only way to succeed
4. Kissing major arse.
5. Even when becoming educated, they don't use their education to fight back. (Goes back to #1)

African Americans are in the minority in the USA. White people in this country are jealous of African Americans culture, athletic ability, ingenuity and resilient spirit. The white men in this country are jealous because their white women find African American men attractive.
So there in lies the cause of friction. No one wants that white woman, but the white man can't sleep at night knowing that white women are chasing around black men.

Btw, I don't know if you are aware of this fact; but African American have built a lot of colleges and are a pretty educated group. Here are a list of historically black colleges in the USA and that doesn't even include the large National Universities that African Americans attend in the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historically_black_colleges_and_universities

83.7% of African Americans have a high school diploma. 20% of African Americans (10 million people) have college degrees. 1.7 million African Americans have advanced degrees. 3.0 million African Americans were enrolled in college in 2013. These numbers don't incorporate the number of people that are trades people and the ones that are employed in other gainful employment; nor do the numbers incorporate the millions of African American kids in primary and secondary school.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmcensus1.html
http://www.care2.com/causes/30-percent-of-americans-have-a-college-degree.html

The problem is not the education of African Americans. The problem is White Supremacy. The same White Supremacy that tells everyone all over the world that the Nigerians are crooks and violent. So the White man says the same thing about Nigerians that he says about African Americans. And none of it is true.

SarcasticMe:
You'll notice in my first post, I wrote that blacks need to desist from hooliganism and gansterism... but if you look at it closely, you'll notice they really av no choice. You know how difficult it is for blacks to get jobs even after struggling to pass through school.
And since you're so vast about the slave trade, u should know that without the efforts of the black, America won't be what it is. Of course, I refrained from mentioning it because it is not noble. The whole industrial revolution won't take place if not for the efforts of black who toiled as slaves prior the 18th century.
The whole discrimination is racial. And unless the blacks fight for their rightful place, we will never coexist in peace. You think only the black Americans are pawns? Even we in Nigeria are suffering indirect consequences of this discrimination. Not until u travel out before you know that.

Where are you from? I worry about people like you. Your vantage point of African Americans is backwards. Black people in America don't act with hooliganism and gangsterism in any greater number than Nigerians do. Hell biggest act of gangsterism that I have ever heard of was Nigerians throwing other Nigerians into slavery. And the funniest part was the White man was a bigger gangster than the Nigerians, because the White man then enslaved the Nigerians that remained in Nigeria. African Americans are responding to police brutality. The same brutality that the English employed on Nigerians in Nigeria. Of the English sent information all over the World telling everyone that the Nigerians are hooligans and gangsters. Do you see it now? The white man says the same thing about the Nigerians as he as about the African Americans. The white man is the thug.

hahn:
Obviously, YOU are the ignorant one here. Blacks put themselves under suppression. How? Whenever they witness a crime in the "hood" and decide to "keep it real" by not telling the cops, they spuppress themselves. By selling crack and other drugs instead of looking for legitimate products to sell, they suppress themselves. When they invest in 20inch rims, nike, timberland etc instead of building lasting businesses, thet suppress themselves. When they join gangs, skip school instead of spending their youth chasing an education, they suppress themselves. When they blame whites for their problems instead of seeking out solutions, they suppress themselves.

Too bad for the native American, they were conquered and their land was claimed by another race and their race was basically obliterated but you really can compare the black with them because the blacks were "shipped" to America by the whites, educated and have been spoon fed by the whites all these years. The education, good roads, freedom of speech, technology, quality infrastructure were all made possible by the whites long before slave trade or even the discovery of Africa. Africans couldn't even build ships despite all the forests and jungles we have. We didn't even invent the "wheel", didn't know anything about the water cycle and we are still 10,000 years behind the rest of the world.

Ignoramus, you really need to start facing reality

Dude White people were educated by Black people. Look it up. The Moors were Black people from North Africa. It was the Moors that brought colleges and universities to Europe which lifted White people out of the dark ages. White people were illiterate when the Moors got to Europe and white people, including White Royalty didn't even practice proper hygiene. That was only 600 years ago. Hell slavery was only 150 years ago, so just shows you how recently that White people were uncivilized. In fact you are so dimmed witted that you don't even realize that it was the Moors introduction of navigation equipment into Spain that allowed Spain to be the first European power to sail into the new World; which in turn lead to slavery.

Even your great saviors the Greeks and Romans point to another set of Black people (the Egyptians) as being the sources of knowledge that the Roman and Greek empires were built upon.

hahn:
I'd say, "tell me more" and then ask why they didn't make the best of their discovery. Oh, I forgot, they didn't even make the best of their continent. Skip that and just "tell me more"

I will tell you more; you are the Forest Gump of racists.

Additionally, it was black people the "Moors" whose invasion of Spain in 711 A.D. that brought modern colleges, cities, sanitation, civilization and sophistication to Europeans. So Africa has been a civilized place for many centuries. Your cockiness is false and your people have created nothing except strife.

hahn:
Lol. America is "no man's land"? That's very funny. Then why don't you just hop on a plane and go there or do you think its the yoruba-igbo-Lagos issue? Africans were brought as slaves to America and really the only place they have is the one given to them by whites. The education used in fighting against segregation was instilled in the blacks by the whites. Hell, even the abolition of slave trade was achieved by whites.

African Americans have not contributed anything worthwhile to America. That's a fact

Seriously though I don't know if you are the stupidest person that has ever lived, but you are really close. One of the biggest contributions that America makes to the World is music and it was the African Americans gave America that music. Secondly, African Americans have give America many of its inventions. Some of the inventions were credit to White people because some of the inventors were slaves.

You are the typical ignorant white person in the USA or South Africa. You think that your group has this invention or that invention, but they didn't. Hell White people in America couldn't even feed themselves. The Native people in America fed them. The white people returned the kind gesture by killing off of the native people in America.

hahn:
Lol. Well, they got there first and "bought" the land so they have more claim to it than African Americans have. Besides, African Americans have been living off the standard set by whites and all the "brothers" are concerned about is killing each other

You are really dim. White people didn't get to America first; there were already Native people there when the Whites got there. Secondly, White people didn't pay for any land; they stole the land jus like they steal everything else.

hahn:
Its time for African Americans to go back to Africa. Let them come back with the knowledge they've acquired there. The whites will always see them as niggers and nothing more. Afterall, no major invention has been accredited to them and most of them live off welfare

I am just always amazed at the level of stupidity in people. Just so you are aware of it; here are just some of the inventions made by African Americans:

http://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/bhistory/inventors/
http://www.tnj.com/black-history-makers/major-inventions-african-americans
http://www.howstuffworks.com/innovation/inventions/10-inventions-by-african-americans.htm#page=1
http://www.biography.com/news/african-american-inventors-20737249


After reading your statement I have decided that you are not a mathematician. There are about 45-50 million African Americans in the USA. Half of that number would be 22.5 to about 25 million people. In the USA there are only 11 million people on welfare. Only 39% of that group are African American. How does 4 million people equal 22.5 million people? The largest receipts of welfare in the USA are White people. They receive welfare benefits, food stamps and housing in far greater numbers than African Americans.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

In closing; I hope that your job doesn't require you to do math; because if it does then your employer is in trouble.

Phut:
what she meant is that people from the same ethnic group where split up and put in different "countries" during the scramble for Africa. So you can see cousins who live half a mile apart and yet are labeled as being from 2 different countries. In effect, DNA similarities would.d be because these are the same people and not necessarily as a result of admixture

What you say makes perfectly good sense when reading about the transplanting of people during colonialism. The problem that I have is that black people divide themselves more than the White man can divide them. There was no difference between Colonialism in Africa and the Atlantic Slave trade for black people. If during Colonialism an Igbo man was forced to leave Nigeria and go to work in Ghana and then he met and married a Akan women and had kids; how is that any different than an Igbo man on a plantation in the USA during the slave era marrying an Akan woman and having kids?

I understood her point though.

Phut:
@Akanigbo and Glamrock, the majority of Nigerians are welcoming and accommodating. However, one can get a skewed perception when reading on an online form.

Also as an aside: most Africans that are resident in Africa, today, are not mixed. Africans are very diverse when it comes to looks and this diversity is not due to admixture. Fulani's are not mixed. Wolofs aren't. Somali's and Ethiopians aren't (for the most part) Arabs, Indians and Persians came from them and not the other way around. When I look at the San people of the Kalahari (with their epicanthic eyelids and prominent cheekbones), I see the ancestors of The Chinese, Koreans and Japanese. Life began in Africa and all of the different looks in the world originated from Africa and are still represented on the Continent till date.

As for your first paragraph I know that most Nigerians are welcoming and most Nigerians that visit the USA will tell you that most African Americans are welcoming and accommodating; especially in the Southern USA. There are knuckleheads in the USA and in Nigeria, but by and large black are black where ever you are. Some are very nice and some you just stay away from.

As for your second statement I don't doubt that large groups of Africans are not admixed. My statement is that African Americans overall have less admixture than some Africans that are on the Continent and if those people are considered to be Africans than so are African Americans. That is the whole statement. If the statement is that African Americans are not Africans, because they are in America then that would mean that every Nigerian that leaves Nigeria to work or go to school in America are no longer African either.

shadowhunter15:
Lol it definetly does make someone more African. Stop trying to claim something you have no right to claim. And don't lie, most blacks mock and hate anything related to Africa. I've never met a black who associate themselves with Africa. And by the way, you guys are Americans regardless of how US views you. Leave the actual African immigrants with that title.

So you are now claiming that you know most African Americans? So you have actually went around and examined the minds of 45-50 million people? Stop making stupid statements, because that is what you are making; because you don't know what that many people think. You know what the knuckleheads that you hung out with thought, but that doesn't mean that those people are representative of African Americans just like crazy guys running schemes in Nigeria are not representative of all Nigerians. That is dumb for anyone to make dumb statements like that.

I am literally telling you that every major universities in the USA, including historically black colleges teach African history; and African American kids all over the country are getting degrees in African studies; but you are telling me that are not and they don't care about African history, and I guess that you would know because you have spoken to all 45-50 million African Americans. Take a look at just some of the schools offering the degrees in African Studies:

http://www.aag.org/cs/projects_and_programs/developing_regions_programs/spotlight_africa/african_studies_programs_us#W
http://jsis.washington.edu/africa/
https://africanstudies.georgetown.edu/
http://africa.ufl.edu/
http://www.independent.co.uk/student/into-university/az-degrees/african-studies-2328287.html
http://www.yale.edu/macmillan/african/degrees.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_studies
http://www.princeton.edu/~piirs/programs/PAS/Program.html
http://www.africanstudies.northwestern.edu/
http://africa.wisc.edu/
http://www.college-scholarships.com/historically_black_colleges_universities.htm


I wrote it before and I will write it again. After reading this board I have decided that African Americans know more about Africans than Africans know about African Americans. And the reason that African Americans know more is because they are actually seeking to know stuff about Africans, whereas many Africans or at least the ones on this message board are relying on meeting one or two knuckleheads and deciding that it applies to all African Americans. Just dumb.

36STATES:
I will give you only 1/10 for this list. Where is Chioma Ajunwa. First and only Nigerians individual Olympic medalist. Where is Nigeria's first female pilot, Chinyere Kalu. Where is Chinue Achebe, the best and highest selling Nigerian/African author. Where is Richard Ihetu, alias Dick Tiger? The first African to become undisputed world middleweight boxing champ twice. I am disappointed you could forget all these people while listing photographers and football couches as achievers.

For that matter where are all of the African Americans, Jamaicans, Haitians, Brazilians, Cubans, etc. A lot of those folks were of Nigerian ancestry too.

baybeeboi:
Have you ever visited Cross River State in Nigeria? If not, you should do so soon because the state is filled with diverse ethnic groups, beautiful places and amazing people. Today, we’ll be taking a trip down memory lane to understand one of the ethnic groups in this beautiful state, the Efiks. The Efiks are one of Nigeria’s most prevalent and interesting ethnic groups. The people predominantly occupy the south of Cross River State and speak Efik. But before they became the Efiks we know today, they had an origin, traditions and lifestyle – some extinguished but some maintained. Below are some historical facts about them:



ECONOMY: Although their economy was originally based on fishing, they quickly developed into a major trading region, trading slaves and agricultural products like palm oil, cassava, yam etc. in exchange for European manufactured goods in the 17th to 19th
century.



http://benugi..com/2015/05/5-facts-you-should-know-about-efik.html

So basically the Efiks are the "Dahomey" of Nigeria? They got rich enslaving people.

tpiadotcom:
are you confusing me with paganija?

That might be the case , because he did make the initial dim witted statement, but then I wrote that only about 2% of African Americans are mixed with Native Americans; which means that African Americans are not as mixed as people have been led to believe to which you replied:

"I think that's been sorted out.

it depends on how you want to interpret results."

There is no interpretation to the results. The typical African American is over 80%+ of African descent. That is on par with and even greater than many Africans on the continent when you realize that Africans on the Continent have been mixed with Arabs and White people. A typical mixture for an average African American 82%-83% African and 17%-18% European, which is usually a great great grandfather.

tpiadotcom:
not sure what you're trying to say but you need to interpret your data correctly.


haven't seen you doing that yet.

btw, where are you from?

I am from the USA and a person ethnicity is whatever their dominant group is. You can only say that your ancestry belongs to a specific group, because people told you that. If you took a DNA test then you might find that you are mixed with other ethnic groups too. You are the one that wrote that DNA testing showing African Americans mixtures "makes them mixed. they have no ethnicity or tribe." Which is complete garbage, because the dominant DNA for a lot of African Americans is either Akan or Igbo, so whatever the dominant ethnic group of those people is what they are.

The DNA testing that I showed you states that even Nigerians are an admixed group. You don't know if other groups have been mixed with the Yoruba or Igbo. You assume that they haven't because you have been told that, but DNA is telling a different story. So if African Americans have no ethnicity or tribe then neither do a lot of Nigerians who are mixed with multiple tribes. And you know that people are mixed with multiple tribes due to wars and slavery where ethnics groups were forced to intermarry. So your basic premise is wrong.

tpiadotcom:
I'm sure you know benin/togo has people of nigerian ancestry there?

I am pretty sure that you know that the USA has people of Nigerian ancestry here? Right?

PAGAN9JA:
not Swahili Bantu tribes lyk Mjikenda,etc.. only the mixed city swahili muslims of Mombasa/Tanzania. dey know themselves.

yes Moors too (depending on their tribal background).
South Africans (not the pure Zulu, etc. tribals). Egyptians Copts and Saidis still under dispute.

Fulani are not mixed imho. (except for Hausa-Fulani, etc. and all the recent mixes.) they have their dominant ethnic bloodline. with probably side admixtures.

It all depends on the individual groups really.

I laughed for a good 30 minutes after I read your nonsense. So you started out by saying that none of those people are mixed and the half way through your thought process you admitted that all of them are probably mixed depending on individual groups. No kidding.

The funny thing is that DNA testing is proving that Nigeria is pretty admixed overall, which is very similar to African Americans oveall. So here is what the DNA testing site that I used stated about Nigeria:

Nigeria

Primarily located in: Nigeria

Also found in: Niger, Benin, Cameroon, Congo

Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa, with more than 168 million people living in an area about twice the size of California. In fact, Nigeria has six cities with populations over 1 million (the United States has nine). From its tropical south to the arid north, Nigeria as a country is a concept and product of colonialism, bringing together more than 250 ethnic groups within fairly arbitrary borders.

Genetic Diversity in the Nigeria Region

The people living in Nigeria are among the most admixed of any of our regions, which means that when creating ethnicity estimates for people native to this area, we usually see similarities to DNA profiles from nearby regions. We’ve found that approximately 69% of the typical Nigeria native’s DNA comes from this region.

Examples of people native to the Nigeria region

Other regions commonly seen in people native to the Nigeria region

Benin/Togo 45%
Cameroon/Congo 37%
Africa Southeastern Bantu 22%
Mali 13%
Ivory Coast/Ghana 9%
Senegal 7%

We have used our reference panel to build a genetic profile for the Nigeria region. The blue chart above shows examples of ethnicity estimates for people native to this region. For the Nigeria region, we see an extremely wide range: for some natives to the area, 100% of their DNA looks similar to the profile, while others do not look similar to the region at all. For Nigeria natives with DNA from neighboring regions, we most commonly see similarities to the profile for Benin/Togo. About 45% of people from the Nigeria region have at least some DNA from Benin/Togo. (See the green chart above.)

ABUMONYE:
I have lived in America most of my life, and some of the things that I see and hear confuse me. From what I have noticed, most African Americans not only know nothing about their African heritage, but they also resent the fact that they are - or were - Africans. I have been in heated arguments with African Americans telling them that being African isn't a curse, but a blessing. Yet they continue to be the main people belittling Africa's culture and people by using an unimaginable amount of stereotypes. The sad part is that plenty of them genuinely believe the nonsense that they are spewing from their mouths.

For example, one time I was in school and somebody asked me how it was riding it Rhino's to school and hunting lions to feed the starving chlidren in our villages. I, of course, laughed as I thought that the person was joking. However, the person's face told me that he was more serious than he has been in awhile. I then asked if he was serious, and he told me that he was. I went on to explain to him that there are plenty of cars in Africa and while, yes, there are starving children (As there is throughout the rest of the world), it is not as widespread throughout the continent as he would think. After that, the unimaginable happened; he blatantly called me a liar, and demanded the truth.

There are plenty of other stories that I have about the ignorance of some African Americans, but that's enough for now. My question is: are African Americans still Africans? Or have generations of slavery made them forget where they're truly from? Yes, of course I want to say that they are due to our strict patrilineal system, but I'm afraid that the ignorant ones are making me think otherwise. Opinions?

I am in no way condemning all African Americans (I, too am an African American due to having a duel citizenship), so I hope that nobody gets offended. I'm just asking a question based on what I have seen for myself.

What I didn't realize until reading this forum was that on the whole African Americans know more about Africans than Africans know about African Americans.

African Americans study all about Africa and the people of Africa in their universities. Most major Universities in America have Departments studying African and African American history. Think about that; major American Universities actually award degrees in African studies to numerous African Americans each year. African Americans celebrate black history month each February wherein African, African-Caribbean, Afro-South American and African-American people and cultures are featured in schools, newspapers and television all over the USA. African Americans celebrate Kwanza each year. African Americans are constantly taking DNA tests to determine their African ethnicity and African Americans travel to Africa to see where their ancestors are from.

Conversely, many Africans come to America to go to school, without apparently even knowing or realizing that they are only in school in America because of the efforts of African Americans in fighting for equality an integration in the USA. Does anyone really think that a Nigerian could go to school in the USA, without the efforts during the Civil Rights movement of African Americans? News flash: White people would have never let Nigerians into the USA for school without the Civil Rights movement of African Americans.

But instead of recognizing the efforts of African Americans in trying to lead all Africans and Africa out of this mess; I only hear many Africans complaining about African Americans not knowing this or not knowing that. Here is the thing: African Americans would have known those things except for ancestors of the people complaining about what African Americans supposedly don't know.

tpiadotcom:
the way its being read now.

Exactly, and how it is being read now is that they are not that mixed.

PAGAN9JA:


which still makes them mixed. they have no ethnicity or tribe.

So basically any African on the continent mixed with Arabs or Whites have no tribes either? So in your world you are now throwing out the Swahili, Moors, Ethiopians, South Africans, Egyptians, Libyans, Sudanese, Fulani people and a bunch of other people that I can't remember now.

tpiadotcom:
I think that's been sorted out.

it depends on how you want to interpret results.

How would you read the results considering that an average African American is 80% and above of African descent?

tpiadotcom:
https://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/black-english-guy-problems.jpg

They don't think that you are an African American after they hear you talk.

PAGAN9JA:
perfect.

and AA's and Carribean Blacks are mixed with native american and creole/white.

Not as true as you think. Most African Americans are not as mixed as people think. DNA testing is showing that the vast majority of African Americans are not mixed with Native Americans; in fact it is only about 2% of African Americans that have tested out as being mixed with Native Americans so far.

"Exactly How "Black" Are Black Americans?


* According to Ancestry.com, the average African American is 65 percent sub-Saharan African, 29 percent European and 2 percent Native American.


* According to 23andme.com, the average African American is 75 percent sub-Saharan African, 22 percent European and only 0.6 percent Native American.


* According to Family Tree DNA.com, the average African American is 72.95 percent sub-Saharan African, 22.83 percent European and 1.7 percent Native American.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/02/how_mixed_are_african_americans.2.html

Recent DNA testing has shown that the average African American is only 17%-18% White. Which means that most African Americans have 80% and higher African DNA; which by the way is probably as high as a lot of Africans in Africa, considering that a lot of African have mixed a lot with the Whites and Arabs. Hell my own DNA is 86% African and only 12% European. So African American aren't as mixed as people think. So those red and yellow Igbos probably left Igbo land being that color.

http://blackdemographics.com/geography/african-american-dna/

The biggest genetic difference between most African Americans and Africans on the continent is that the typical African American has an admix of many different ethnic groups, whereas I have read that most Africans have far fewer mixes.

MegaMan87:
Most Blacks that live in the U.K are either first, second or third generation Africans or Carribeans. They know their roots. They know where they come from.

Most Blacks in America are American. They've been there so long most can't be bothered to find out where they orignally come from. Their culture is American culture, Whatever American culture is.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are Blacks in England that have been there for hundreds of years due to slavery but I've never met any. Most of the carribeans went over there in the 50's to help rebuild the country after the world war 2. Africans started going there soon after.

P.s. I've been living in London for some time now.

Another incredibly stupid lie about blacks in America. I finally realize that most of the information that most people think that they know about African Americans is complete misinformation.

Where does one even start with these ridiculous statements. First of all "blacks" in America call themselves African Americans. So right there they are telling you where they came from . These are the names that people used to call "black" people in American:

1. Slave
2. Negro
3. Colored
4. Black
5. Afro American and

Finally, it was the "black" people in American that wanted to be known as African Americans, because while we didn't know exactly where our ancestors were from in Africa; African Americans did know that they ancestors were from Africa. So African Americans know where they are from; even the common "black" American refer to themselves as African American; because all African Americans know that there is no such place as slave, negro, colored, black or Afro any place in Africa. So if there is any group that is letting the World know that they are African it is African Americans. The movement is so strong, that African American is showing up on official forms as frequently as the word black.

African Americans even celebrate something called "Black History" month in America every February to celebrate our African roots and we put "Kwanzaa" on the map in the USA. African Americans have whole departments in historically black colleges set up just for African History, which has led to a movement by major white universities like Harvard setting up African History departments in major universities. Look it up. Dr. Henry Louis Gates at Harvard University is major researcher on African culture and African American Diaspora. Dr. Gates is ran a series on public television and it is followed very closely by people, including just regular every day "black" people in the USA. In fact African history is a wide field of study in American Universities and it is African Americans that have been pushing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates,_Jr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finding_Your_Roots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Lives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_African_Americans:_Many_Rivers_to_Cross

Where do you think all of this DNA testing stuff for ethnicity is coming from? It is coming from African Americans. They are driving the market, because they want to know exactly where they are from. Read the below linked articles to see all of the companies in the USA offering ethnicity DNA testing to African American, and it has become even higher profiled since a lot of celebrities like Oprah Williams, Vanessa Williams, Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman, Danny Glover, Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, etc., etc., have taken the DNA test. African American are constantly testing their ethnicity, which is why so many of the testing companies are spending so much time in Africa testing the people there and clearing up and verifying oral history.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/genetics/2006-02-01-dna-african-americans_x.htm

Most "blacks" in America don't feel like they are Americans; Hell we know that because White Americans keep reminding black people that they are not Americans, by making policies and laws that only apply to "black" people.

You should stop making generalizations about African Americans, because you don't know what you are talking about. What exactly have the "Black Brits" done to push the study of African History? Because just being from African doesn't make someone more African than someone that has never stepped foot on the Continent.

quimicababes:
Btw the African I met didn't seem to dislike Caribbean folks..I dig those from Botswana..kool folks.[b]I am well aware that some Africans do look down on Africans in the diaspora because we are deemed as culture-less...lack of having a particular ethnic group,roots and history.[/b]I can see how that would offend those in the diaspora.Same time diaspora think Africa be a cesspit of poverty and backward folks.I nah got time for it as both groups dislike each based on crap.

You nah like me cuz I be Caribbean..no problemo...keep it moving but I not gonna hate on Africans cuz of some messed up thinking people got in their head.Same time I got no time to dislike you if you be from Africa as we both gotta face racism and also I just got no time to hate on you.

If Africans on the Continent are looking down on Africans in the diaspora, because we have no culture; then whose fault is that? Africans in the diaspora would have had culture, but for many of the ancestor of Africans that remained on the Continent. So if some Africans on the Continent have to look down on something then the Africans on the Continent should be looking down on their own ancestors and country folks; because those are the folks that carried out the many wicked acts that led to death and destruction of not only the lives of the slaves shipped out, but also of the people that remained on the Continent. Because as soon as the European had carried away the people that he needed to work in his fields new World; the European then turned his eyes to the Africans on the Continent and then he enslaved them. You can call it being colonized, but it still slavery and as proof he made Africans learn his European languages. So at the end of the day we all ended up being slaves, but at least the Africans in the diaspora can say that the European had to haul him away from his homeland to carry out his deeds. The Africans that remained on the Continent didn't even have that as an excuse; and to make matters worse they have to live with the knowledge that if they would have never engaged in that sick slave trade then there would have been enough people on the Continent to fight off to fight off the Europeans and their African allies.

So it is the ancestors who need to be looked down on, because they were the problem and they chased after filthy money and now we are all poor and serving the Europeans.

bigfrancis21:
Your mathematical analysis is totally wrong because you failed to include the figures of the Ibibio, Ijaws, Hausas, Nupes etc and other tribes that were sold from Nigeria. Not only Igbo and Yoruba were taken from Nigeria. Those other tribes were taken too.

Over 700,000 hausas were taken from Nigeria. From bight of biafra, abouut 400,000 non-igbos slaves (ibibio, ijaws) were taken from the bight, pitching the total number taken from the bight to be 1.8 million as sources say. Bringing the total of Hausas, Ibibios and Ijaws to be 1.1 million. Adding this figure to 1.4m Igbos, gives 2.5 million. Assuming the 3.5 million figure quoted in the website is correct, then subtracting 2.5m from 3.5 leaves about 1m. The figure of the nupes is not yet known. Not also forgetting the sobos (urhobos, isokos etc) sold by the bini empire. Now Ilorin and Oyo were major Yoruba slave centers and from these centers they sold muslim hausa/fulani slaves in addition to yoruba slaves, thus leaving the actual figure of the yorubas to be actually no more than 600,000 to 700,000 in number. Academic figures of 500,000 are right.

https://books.google.com/books?id=8Fcr1HSZXNgC&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=figure+of+hausas+in+slave+trade&source=bl&ots=a4oeuK4UWB&sig=B2KuDkAe-Dej89W4_2UEkHF6lKQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QOlGVdjbGdDfggS_4YDgAg&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=figure%20of%20hausas%20in%20slave%20trade&f=false

We will agree to disagree. But look at the slavery over time, rather than during just one period of time and then don't just focus on one slave port, because that only tells you where people were shipped from; not who they actually were.