AutomaticMotors:


Olu desist from your obsession with Benin/Edo except na grave dey hungry you!! Bazztardd!!

e nor go come now o e go first check whether person don go offline,

lawani:


I can as well use any other example like Ijebu or Egba which are traditional states too. I of course can not use the whole Yoruba to compare with Benin. That is why I use Ijesha. I agree that Urhobo are large enough to have a big city and it would have helped if one of their towns was made a capital city. They had towns larger than Abuja before Abuja became FCT. Ilesa was over 50k in the 19th century but I don't know the 1952 figure, it would be high too because Ilesa was second headquarter after Ibadan with all of Ondo and Ekiti reporting there originally. It was the second LG hq in the country or so. Settlement pattern of Ijesha is Oyo style which is capital city surrounded by smaller towns and villages. They term it the Oyo-Ijesa settlement pattern in urban studies. Back then unlike now more than seventy percent of urban centers were on Yoruba land. I don't know who give birth more but considering that education and standard of living of Benin and Ijesa are more or less at par, it will be safe to assume an equal population growth rate. However it can not be perfectly equal.

It will help every group if they have control over their land, organise and tax the industries.

what proof do you have that Ijesha and the Benin people would be roughly the same population?

lawani:


Everybody have been giving birth since then too. Ilesa is surrounded by over two hundred towns and villages on the traditional Ijesa six LGs apart from those not in those LGs and I believe Benin too will be surrounded in like manner even if to a bit lesser degree. Ilesa is just Ijesa capital and not really a one city state but with a bit of government assistance that capital cañ host even five million people while still being surrounded by smaller towns. Isn't Abuja like that?. I believe none of the surrounding Benin towns have been deserted since 1952 as people there have their source of income there.

Everybpdy has been giving birth since then, but still it boils down to settlement pattern, the Ilesha might not be so capital city conscious. There might be other fairly large towns in Ilesha too. Local government does not tell anything, Ekiti has 16 local government, Bayelsa has eight but both are roughly the same in Size in Nigeria

The Binis in Bini province were 203 thousand as at 1952. One fourth were in the capital city

And also if you keep hundred people in two seperate communities, there is no yardstick that they will give birth the same way even if they are polygamous such that if you come back to meet them, they will be the same numbers. That is why census is conducted on a ten year basis, some might even grow fairly larger than the other, I will give you some examples if you want me to

The Binis are surrounded with six hundred communities. You can calculate the number of communities there.

Urhobos have been giving birth since then, as a result, they have about six to seven fairly large towns as a result of thier settlement pattern today. If they have been a concentrated city conscious people. Their sole city will certainly be over a million today. I just wanted you to get the point but it is okay

The same with the Esan people, they have about seven large settlement, each of least over 90 thousand people.

Why did you not type immediately? I was online for a while, it now seem like I ran away or something. I fell asleep.

Why are you making this about Ilesha and Bini? But it is okay.

And do you want any proof as it pertains to population difference greatly among several
tribes over the years?

What is the settlement pattern of Ilesha people ?

What’s was the population of Ijesha people in 1952?
Don’t believe, ask questions, you did not properly read and comprehend my previous write up

those surrounding Bini villages are unshakeably farm settlements. They feed directly from the Ground unlike the other two Edoid tribes who have about six or seven major towns


I just saw your last comments now,

lawani:


You don't understand what I mean. In that 1952, Benin was not bigger than Ilesa the capital of traditional Ijesa land but what about today?. Benin was capital of the Midwest and there are also many institutions there because of that. What OAU is to Ife is what Uniben is to Benin. Government house, media houses, consuls of foreign nations and etc. If any city will be praised for maintaining by itself a huge population, then the first prize goes to Ogbomosho and not Benin.

I added to it, go and finish reading, that is because our population was smaller then. It would have nevertheless grown considerably beyond this because we are a one city people

lawani:


Even more than a fourth will be abroad but Benin as a city is one of the more fortunate in the country and it has received a net immigration as a result of being a capital city. Other cities like that are Lagos, Kaduna, Abuja in the first tier. Ogbomosho is the number one city that made itself big maybe followed by Onitsha without pointed government assistance though in Anambra, Onitsha is taking some shine off Awka

It has not gotten to lagos’s level yet, it is not even close to. It is not even among the most mentioned cities in Nigeria. It does not even have close to the popularity Lagos have, the same with Abuja and maybe portharcourt

The most mentioned on every thread are usually Lagos, Abuja, Portharcourt. Bini city was also largely developed by Binis, Okada university was founded by a man, Benson Idahosa university was also founded by a Bini man which in turn opened up Ugbor which is a substantial
Part of Gra Benin city today. Lighthouse polytechnic is also opened by a Bini man, even the First private airline in Nigeria even though defunct now was also opened by a Bini man, is it several hospitals and schools, even the major tv station in the state is owned by a Bini man. The Binis contributed greatly into making our land what it is today. Even the popularity Benson Idahosa gave to it in the 80s and the 90s did a lot in making Benin city what it is today

Capital status is just twenty percent really

Ogbomosho people can do something to uplift their land

Keep in mind also that we as Binis are a one city people, as the population increases in the Bini villages, they move to the city they know which is however our prime city as Binis. If paradventure, Bini was not made a capital today, it would have arguably still be among the most populated cities in Nigeria today.

If you look at the structure of the Edoid, you would see that the Binis are a city state people, Every Bini man wants to stay where the Oba is staying even though we have villages, such that if Benin city was not a capital city, it would still be well over one million today. what is the resultant effect of this, as the population increases in the several Bini villages, there is usually an overflow to the city making it significantly larger than the other villages, the 1952 census is a classic example, as at the time, Bini city was not a capital city. while Bini city was 54 thousand in 1952, 2 of the other Bini settlements were about 5 thousand, 13 villages between 2 thousand and four thousand, 49 between 1 thousand and 2 thousand people and 571 villages less than 1 thousand.

While other Edoid groups have at most thirty settlements with large size of about 2 thousand to any where around forty thousand. Most Binis even from other communities build houses in Bini city and stay there. In fact migrations from Orhiowmon , Uhuwonde, Ovia north east, and Ovia south are up to 85 percent of the Binis in Bini city. 70 % of houses in Benin city are still Bini owned, most were built with proceeds from overseas before the advent of yahoo.

While other Edoid people would prefer to build houses in their villages, an uromi man would want to build his house in Uromi, a man from from Ughelli would want to build his house in Ughelli.

Look at the settlement pattern of the three major Edoid group in Nigeria, while one of them, the major population concentration was Benin city, which the rest of the other Bini settlements did not come close but however settled in more than four hundred villages with the major focus on Benin city because we are a centralized people

The others seem to have been centred around thier village each of the other two tribes with substantial numbers in thier villages however with no more than 30 communities and the population of the 3 tribe was still roughly the same in thier settlements.

While not underating federal government presence In Benin city. Our contributions should not be underrated in Benin city.

While the other Edoid groups have towns of over 150,000 in some sheer numbers and no major city, roughly because it has been their settlement pattern and for the fact that they are a decentralized people.

The Binis have a major city reputed to be the fourth largest in Nigeria and no other major city, it has been our trajectory and our settlement pattern

An actual census was conducted in 2006, where you guys got your figures for Benin city is what I can’t tell. According to the 2006 census, Benin city was already
1,346,703. You guys lack the spirit of research, that is the problems Nigerians have. According to the 2006 census, Benin city is the fourth largest city in Nigeria, only second to Lagos,Kano and Ibadan in that order

Assessing Resident Satisfaction with Planning and Neighborhood facilities of Some Public Housing Estates in Benin city, Nigeria

Journal of Educational and Social Research

By Kingsley Okechukwu Dimuna
Department of Architecture
Ambrose Alli University
Ekpoma, Nigeria

And Abiodun Olukayodeh Olotuah
Department of Architecture
Federal University of Technology
Akure, Nigeria

Page 23.

It was stated that in the 2006 census, Benin city’s population was 1,346,703 but what is on Wikipedia is about 25% lesser than the actual population of Bini city in 2006 worst still with no source whatsoever.

This is a link where you can download the write up

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330876121_Assessing_Residents

We will no longer stand and allow people peddle false rumor, you guys don’t do research, that is your greatest bane, Benin city’s population was already 1,346,703 as at 2006 which is clearly stated in that material if you download and read. The only cities bigger than Benin city in Nigeria according to the 2006 census is Lagos, Kano and Ibadan

Assessing Resident Satisfaction with Planning and Neighborhood facilities of Some Public Housing Estates in Benin city, Nigeria

Journal of Educational and Social Research

By Kingsley Okechukwu Dimuna
Department of Architecture
Ambrose Alli University
Ekpoma, Nigeria

And Abiodun Olukayodeh Olotuah
Department of Architecture
Federal University of Technology
Akure, Nigeria

Page 23.

It was stated that in the 2006 census, Benin city’s population was 1,346,703 but what is on Wikipedia is about 25% lesser than the actual population of Bini city in 2006 worst still with no source whatsoever.

This is a link where you can download the write up

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330876121_Assessing_Residents

alaoeri:

Bro is not a lie, Ogbomosho is the second biggest city/town after Ibandan in the whole of SW, take a trip & tour the city/town its will clear your doubt, have been there before honestly ogbomosho is big & densely populated despite no major industry whatsoever there. Am 100% sure the population of Ogbomoso city/town is more than that of Benin city (not Edo state oh) because have been to both & did my survey.

Benin city’s population was already 1.4 million in 2006, you guys don’t do research, that is what is holding you back, how can you be hundred percent sure when the population that was claimed to be for Ogbomosho In 2016, Benin already got it in 2006, download and read

Assessing Resident Satisfaction with Planning and Neighborhood facilities of Some Public Housing Estates in Benin city, Nigeria

Journal of Educational and Social Research

By Kingsley Okechukwu Dimuna
Department of Architecture
Ambrose Alli University
Ekpoma, Nigeria

And Abiodun Olukayodeh Olotuah
Department of Architecture
Federal University of Technology
Akure, Nigeria

Page 23.

It was stated that in the 2006 census, Benin city’s population was 1,346,703 but what is on Wikipedia is about 25% lesser than the actual population of Bini city in 2006 worst still with no source whatsoever.

This is a link where you can download the write up

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330876121_Assessing_Residents

lawani:


Benin city will actually be up to half of Edo population but the population is very cosmopolitan like Lagos. All sorts of people from the old Midwest and the new Edo as well as other Nigerians are there but the population is owned by Benin for revenue purposes. It does not however mean that Benin indigenes are up to 4 million.

Bini was estimated to be a population of about one million people in 1987.

That is 36 years down the line, almost two generations, we have quadrupled that population since

In 1996, the Otaru asked for a separate state for Esan and Afemai people with his explanation that the Binis were big enough to stand alone both in landmass and population, in fact we would have been a state of our own if not Anenih that thwarted that plan. This is the link to the interview where he said it. Paragraph 11

https://guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/otaru-of-auchi-how-we-lost-out-in-the-bid-to-create-afemesan-state/

A fourth of Bini are abroad, we have close to a million Binis outside the shores, and over 3 million Binis at home. Our combined population is over 4 million

Ologbo147:
That is not a fair take, the Binis ordinarily do not migrate out of our land, because we have a large city that is averagely compared to Any other city economically in Nigeria besides Lagos. If the Binis are leaving Bini, it certainly would be Europe, you definitely have not been to Europe.

Even in terms of study, 90 percent of Binis would not leave Uniben, AAu ekpoma, Auchi polytechnic, Benson Idahosa university and Igbinedion university all in Edo state to go study elsewhere, at a stretch it would be delta state university abraka.

Binis has grown considerably larger more than the Esan in the last seventy years, and it is obvious, there is a concentration of Bini population in Europe. We have around half a million Binis in Europe if not more

Also the power dynamics in the states suggest so, they believe we (the Binis) have the numbers to install anyone as governor and it seem so.

In politicking in the state, and because we have the majority, other regions come to the Binis to beg for vote, when it is the turn of the Binis to become governor, nothing stops it. Because of our numbers since 1999 the Binis have had two governors in twenty four. The two on a eight year term. Obaseki a Bini man would complete his second term next year.

But because of our population, some Binis are still jostling to become governor next year, which no other ethnic group can try in the state.

Out of the twenty four years, Esans had only clinched power once, and it was a rule of A year and half. A stolen mandate by Osubor. And they are serially begging for all the parties to field Esan candidates, because they know if a Bini candidates happens to emerge from any party, the Binis might aggressively vote for him.

The atmosphere in the state know Binis to be the majority, my brother we are presently above 45 %of Edo state, it might even be more notwithstanding the population of Binis outside

The population all over the world does not move at a constant, The Binis are 50-60 more numerous than Esans today.

Binis are 80% larger than the Esans today and it is not news. According to what is on the government Archive in Edo state, the Binis are 57.54 % of the population of Edo State. Our population home and abroad is over 4 million

RedboneSmith:


A Nigerian doctoral researcher in African Studies, History and Anthropology who has not heard of the 1952 census that I learnt about in primary school is like a Mathematician who has never heard of Pythagoras. You're probably not aware of the vast amount of reading, data collection and research that goes into a PhD.

which subjects were you taught 1952 census, if they taught you at all, they certainly did not go in details

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RedboneSmith:


A Nigerian doctoral researcher in African Studies, History and Anthropology who has not heard of the 1952 census that I learnt about in primary school is like a Mathematician who has never heard of Pythagoras. You're probably not aware of the vast amount of reading, data collection and research that goes into a PhD.

I just checked properly, the Idiot quoted the 2006 census which I find not to be credible, it is an official work, that is certainly what he is going to work with. He just have to present that one to be issue free, that does not mean he believes the census he is presenting

And also if you do not call out your brothers who do not believe the 2006 census and used previous censuses of 90, 100 years ago to argue their population strength against the Yorubas. You have no right to call me out, I will like you to know that there was no official census in Nigeria in 1921 and 1931, it was just statistics. yet your brothers used it several times here to argue their population strength against the Yorubas even when there was manslaughter of the Igbos in 1967.

Then you turn around, and say that the Itsekiris has upped their numbers greatly against several Edoid groups which were by far larger than her in 1952. Isoko which was two times larger, Etsako which was two times and half larger, Owan which was 40% larger, Bini and Esan which were both 550% and 500% larger respectively in 1952 when she is not doing anything special. The Polygamy she practice, all other Edoids group practice too. If you were to be fair enough, you would see that the 2006 election is a sham cannot be relied on and Edo state is at least 8 million in population.

If you can’t say what Itsekiri did different in their one and half local government in a Warri they heavily share with Ijaws and Urhobos, that is also an urbanized settlement anyway.Where else can you find the Itsekiris outside Warri. Then you have double standards and you are an hypocrite. You are not sincere with yourself, you are a people pleaser, where are the million Itsekiris, what is the population of Warri?let alone a Warri they share heavily with Urhobos and Ijaws

Other Binis have different opinions on this issue and they are very enlightened too. I added new opinions,I am not a coward and I have to call your attention to it

If you are to be sincere with yourself, you will know Itsekiris are at most 500k, I have only met about two Itsekiris in my life and I am not a baby, I am in my mid 30s. I would even place a bet that Binis are since beyond 5 times larger than Itsekiri because of our polygamous nature
AutomaticMotors
Redbonesmith

https://books.google.com/books?id=GN5yv3-U6goC&q=Edo+3.8+million&pg=PA130



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oskTaBBnWY
Time stamp 28-28:20, I am not alone on this thought process, that is Izoduwa

RedboneSmith:

He conducted no census, and neither did you. I'll still argue that as a researcher his projections are more trustworthy than yours.

he probably might not be aware of the 1952 census, I say again it depends on facts at his disposal

RedboneSmith:


Even your own brother in a PhD thesis submitted to University of Birmingham in 2022 estimated 2.6 million (which I might argue is a somewhat excessive) . But sure let's go with "well over 3.5 million". 😂😂😂

everybody has his analysis, he did not conduct any census, I have given my analysis based on the fact I have at my disposal,

RedboneSmith:


You are the bigger clown if all you have to offer are projections made from a census from 70 years ago. You think the populations of communities around the world all grow at a constant rate? If that's how works, why waste billions conducting fresh censuses? We can all take the one census from 1900 and keep multiplying it by a constant rate.

Edo/Benin are not up to 3 million people. Cry if you no like am.

you are the one that will be crying. If they are not that reliable, this thread will not be littered by your Igbo brothers, quoting the census of 1921 and 1931 to argue of the Igbo population against the Yorubas, even when there was a manslaughter of the Igbos in 1967, such hypocrisy. At least that should give us a guide, as there was no genocide or manslaughter of the Binis in the last 70 years. At the very least the Binis are over 4 times larger than the Itsekiris. For the sake of accountability and anything close to sincerity. The Binis are well over 3.5 million, die if you want to my brother

RedboneSmith:


Edo/Benin people are not up to 3 million. Don't kid yourself.

Itsekiri are hovering around the one million mark.

for a tribe that was said to be about 34 thousand in 1952, and in that same year, the Binis was said to be over a hundred and eighty thousand. How can the Itsekiris now tower over Many other Edo groups like Etsako which was about 88 thousand in 1952 (that is 2 times and half the size of Itsekiris in 1952) or over owan that was about 40% larger in 1952 numerically. You are not being sincere with yourself. A tribe that is in one and half local government is one million and a tribe that has 7 large local government and was said to be over 5 times larger in 1952 is not up to 3 million. My brother you are a clown, the Binis from Orhiowmon district alone home and abroad is bigger than Itsekiris, truth be told

RedboneSmith:


What is the population of Edo/Benin people then? (And don't include other Edoid peoples in Edo State.) All the figures in credible are hovering around 2 million. Some are even considerably less than that.

what are the figures? Are you pointing to the 2006 census that is not credible, the Binis are well over 3.5 million. What will you consider the size of the itsekiris then given the fact that the Binis was considered five and half times larger in 1952

RedboneSmith:

Dead language. Lmao!

The audacity, coming from someone whose language is spoken by no more than 2 million people (assuming every Edo person can even speak their language sef.)

For every person who speaks Edo, there are more than 10 people who speak Igbo, and the language will live on long after yours is dead and forgotten.

Not more than 2 million for a census you conducted

LegendHero:


I am talking about general election.

How do you convince people in the remote part of Oyo to vote NNPP? What structure does NNPP have in those areas to inform voters and what incentive is there to push them to thumb-print?

Most of those voters that vote usually do that for parties. Because they have people right there in that locality holding sway since God knows when. So beside the notoriety of candidate in the city/social media, they need that party to be recognized in rural areas. NNPP don't have that.

That is exactly why error votes from party with name identical with PDP/APC are more than the combined vote of the third force parties in the last election.

Bro, twitter is different from real election.

Legendhero you are indeed a legend

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With a working penis, A man's opportunity is endless, his options are countless as God has made it but with a vasectomy, it is greatly reduced, the man is like the woman in the relationship, he pleases the woman more than necessary, even at his detriment,

The vasectomy is a emasculating technique, that is what it is in the real sense, it has come to reduce the kingly nature of man, Even when you get married to the 10th woman who is young and not with a child yet, she would still want her own child from you. So marriage and contraception is a mask for the real aim. No man should sacrifice his pride for such sham. The man is king