ChangedMan1999:



I am aware of this

But I choose not to be saying it, for the sake of sanity of this forum

Rema is not from Bini, or Esan, or Etsako, or Akoko.


His father, who he says PDP knows about his death is from the Igbo speaking part of Edo state


I don't know about his mother

You are not aware of anything, his father was a full Bini man, he was well known around, even friends to victor uwaifo and others, it is not even hidden, it is not a secret, his name cannot be interpreted by any other group except Benin. Quit beer parlour talk,He flies the Bini flag high.

Usenokpevbo:
Can Oyo and Owo communicate smoothly without using Oyo dialect? Aren’t they deemed dialects of the same language. Isn’t Okpe and Uvwie distinct languages from Urhobo according to linguistic scholars? Don’t they regard themselves as Urhobos? How many Igbo dialects that are regarded as dialects of the same language can communicate with themselves without the need for their central tongue? Can’t Efik and Ibibio communicate smoothly? Aren’t they regarded as dialects of the same language? Why are they still regarding themselves as different groups?

Benin and Esan has more mutual intelligibility than many subgroups within big tribes. According to Pedro Obaseki, the difference between Benin and Esan is lesser than the difference between Oyo and Ijebu or Oyo and Owo. We bear the same names, we have the same names for almost every items.


Many a times becoming members of the same groups among very similar groups is politics and a central language factor. Enahoro tried bringing up a central language for Edoid, if he had stuck his desire for a central language for Edo within Benin and Esan alone, we would have since been one tribe, it would have been so realistic and possible. He tried to extend to Owan and Etsako, i believe that is where the loudest rejection would have came from. Or if Benin and Esan were alone in one state with groups like Efik/ibibio, we would since be identifying as one tribe. But because we are largely in Edo state where 98%of the population have similar language and culture, and we are not threatened by another strange major group. There is really no bearing need to put on another identity other than our very immediate identity even though we are related and we know the most related ones amongst us

Peter Ekeh described Benin and Esan as approximately mutually intelligible.

Okojie noted that even among present day Esan generation, speaking Bini may be difficult but it is unnecessary for an Esan to learn it before understanding it. According to him, it is easier for an Esan to understand Bini than Ora or Kukuruku language either of which has suffered further inflexion due of course to their early contacts with their northern, western and eastern neighbors.



Okojie was from Irrua, what Okojie meant by that to those who can’t comprehend English properly. He say for Esan people of this generation, to speak Bini fit hard them o, but them no go need learn am to understand am

I agree with you to an extent but i beg to differ a little bit, most of the people that influence decisions for any tribal groups are their monarchs, the Binis are a centralized people. I believe some of the reasons why a central language did not work for the Edos is because the Binis have a central monarch who in time past had an empire. And they interpreted the teeming alliance and the intending and brewing central language at the time as the Bini monarch trying to extend his rulership to Esan, Etsako and Owan thereby reducing the monarchs of these places to sub chiefs in their domain, even though it was instituted by an Esan man.

Bear in mind that at the time, Edo was one of the nine national languages we have alongside with Ibibio, Ijaw, Tiv, Kanuri, the three major languages etc. And also owing to the fact that many Etsako’s, Owan already speak Edo at the time because many had cause to stay in Benin, bearing in mind that Esan already speak Benin albeit a corrupt one. It just need to have been taught in all schools in Edo state and it would have long been a central language for these people. What these people and monarchs were afraid of was the lording of the Oba of Benin over other monarchs in other Edo sub ethnicities. Believe me i have read some articles on these issues and i know


That is why it is easy for Uvwie and Okpe to identify as Urhobo even though they are not linguistically. Because with the alliance they’ve formed with the Urhobo people, their monarchs are all regarded as equals.

Asuelimhe Ighodalo from Ewohimi. Bringing his experience onboard, i know he will take Edo to the promise land

Quality20:
What was he looking for in a girls vagina in the first place even when he isnt yet married to her? He shd just ho and manage his dx and keep quiet, he only got what he bargained for

many of you comment like gays, if he nor enter woman Toto na man yansh e go enter

AreaFada2:




Now, no tribe is totally homogeneous. Yoruba as a name didn't even exist 350 years ago and Yoruba people of today are even more diverse genetically than most tribes: Tapa, Benin, Gbagyi, Hausa and others are all there.

Yes, Yoruba now has more cultural homogeneity but largely driven by politics. Having learnt from the civil wars that devasted Yorubaland in the 18th and 19th centuries.

how you know a tribe or an ethnic group that is not a single people is how disconnected their tongues are, kperogi once narrated how he was lost in Ekiti and sought for direction from an oldman with the Oyo Yoruba tongue and was taken aback because the old man couldn’t comprehend because he spoke and understood Ekiti alone. He had to look for someone who could communicate in Oyo Yoruba in that Ekiti community to communicate his problems to. I have seen many Yorubas complain about Owo too.

People that can’t go to the next community in their tribe without using their central tongue will have the guts to call others mixed when in fact they are the most “mixed”disjointed and fragmented of all groups, and also the most receptive of other tribes and people into their fold. Very wonderful something

This Bini dialect below is the Ozanogogo dialect spoken in delta state. A lay Bini man with 70% knowledge of the Benin language would understand 80% of what this girl is saying. A Bini man from Edo state looking for direction in Ozanogogo delta state would not have a problem communicating with the locals because of dialect issues.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQl2LtJi-dI?si=o_1itZfIxb5b122W


Even in Alisor in delta state, they speak this same Oza dialect of the Bini language, a Bini man looking for direction in Alisor would also not get missing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI8e8WvAKPQ?si=6lrPmU3lx36wR0zg

pafun:


😂😂😂
You are a glorious buffoon. At this point I will abandon you to your foolishness . Bye.
🇺🇸

a proud you will want to answer to save face but you couldn’t find it, the guy finished your worthless existence, next time don’t make worthless claims you can backup, for a man to have sworn with his life that you can’t find it, he is as sure as death

Gamesmart:


If he is a Yoruba man, how come it was highlighted he was from Edo?



No Igbo will ever become the governor or deputy of any state outside South East, but Nigerians from other tribes that is outside the state of the election can possibly be.

Na Igbos do themselves for that outcome.

The minute anyone votes one of their own for such position, there would be some of them who would quickly be out to insult you that it happened because your state knew they were smarter and you needed their brains to develop and progress.

You guys will just want to be revolving round a singular topic when it has been thrashed before. An Edo man with three full Yoruba names like Olusegun Olutoyin Aganga is that one an Edo man? No single Edo names amongst his litany of names, that one na Edo? His appointment still raised eyebrows, let alone a non Yoruba without any Yoruba names

pafun:


You dey smoke igbo. There is contemporary Yoruba grammar which is understood by most Yoruba. There are also the dialects which may in some places be so different that even other Yoruba people may not consider them Yoruba. The Akoko people for example are Yoruba and bear Yoruba names in the same manner as Bini people, but their dialect is not understood by 99.9% of other Yoruba. There are such places in Kogi state too that consider themselves Yoruba but don't speak contemporary Yoruba.
Ogun is a distinct word to the Binis? Una don craze no be small

has been treated here above again and again that there is no Yoruba spoken in Edo state.

Evboesi has treated above that Akoko Edo are not Yorubas. They are Edos living around the Akoko area of the Yorubas, only if you read some of the post above, Akoko Edo speak Yoruba but not as a first language, a first language defines intuitively who a person is, when you study the groups in the Akoko Edo local government, you will know the Akoko Edo tag as the Name of the Local government is just a pointer that there are some Edos living around the Akoko area of the Yorubas.

Now what are these groups, you have Ososo, Okpe, Uneme, Okpamheri, Akuku, Igarra, etc, all are Edo groups save for Igarra, all these languages has been studied and seen not to be remotely close to Yoruba . It isAkin to Benin, Esan, Etsako, Urhobo, Isoko, Owan who are in the same language family. Go and read comparative Edoid by Ben Elugbe.

Bini people don’t bear Yoruba names except those ones whose ancestors expressly migrated from Yoruba land and settled on the Fringes of Edo land and did not fully naturalize, it is not the proper thing for an Edo man to bear Yoruba name. And they are at most just about 5% percent of the general population.

There is no literature known to man that classified Bini as a Yoruba dialect, i mean Bini has been studied far and wide linguistically, if you can produce one, i will give you fifty thousand

Do you even know the meaning of distinct, distinct means something that is not indigenous, do you even know the meaning of distinct. Ogun is a Yoruba God and was borrowed from Bini’s Yoruba surrounding neighbors hence it is a distinct practice. It came from outside.

Stop laughing like a goat in a bid to gaslight it is only empty people and those bereft of Education that does that.

BanyXchi:
he's actually Edo. A very hateful tribe.

we only hate imposters. We just want to be Edo and nothing else. We detest unholy associations

Sheggy13:


Why are you quoting me? I don't understand.

i saw your argument and quoted you to a challenge so you can indeed see he is an imposter

AfonjaConehead:

Just imagine! Uhundan nokhua nor...

if he sure for am make he interpret Wetin you talk na imposter and he dae obvious

Sheggy13

lawani:


You misquote me. I never said Benin were conquered. No Yoruba has ever said that. What I say is that the Benin empire was a Yoruba empire with Yoruba capital and more Yoruba speaking people than any other group. I never and will never say Benin were conquered by Yoruba. It is the fellow above who is obsessed about his ancestors rough handling other people. What I addressed with some of my published works is to point out why Benin empire was Yoruba and why Oduduwa did not come from Ogiso kingdom but was infact a descendant of Nimrod who was King of Sumeria five thousand years ago and he was probably an Egyptian aristocrat. Nothing more than that. You can not do academics with overwhelming emotions

dull fool, we said Aworis were conquered, but we are not banking on that alone.history said so, there is a difference, if you went to school you would know, we are simply quoting from them, a Yoruba historian has been cited above, since i started reading from you, it’s just figment of your imagination, no reference materials, no citation’s nothing. And your ignorance is so alarming for a grown up

There was never a time Benin empire was a Yoruba empire, you don’t even have a tissue paper to back up your claim, you have been given countless evidence contrary to what you opine, you are still holding on to your point of view amidst excessive ignorance

Why would they have gone to invite someone they don’t know, that should be your question.

The Oduduwa tale is a myth. It is not in tandem with reality

absoluteSuccess:


I want you to see clearly that what you are complaining of with lawani is what you are doing against the Awori.

The people who were original owners of their lands were "inconsequential" in their history as long as one or more people claimed they were "conquered", so it's "territorialism" going on.

I am Awori, and a direct descendants of Oba Ado. We hold Bini in high esteem as Awori because they are kinsfolks, but the history of betrayal claimed we are a conquered people.

There's no conquest if it can't be proven.

If history accounts for it as conquest, then it certainly is, history is therefore not emotion bound. We certainly have historical accounts that support invasion and conquests, even the Yoruba historian cited above termed it an invasion and conquest. Ayodeji Olukoju is not a Bini man. He is from Oka Akoko and your tribal person.

I am not making things up, unlike your brother who might be told something this minute and the next minute he uses it to quickly form an angle in history that’s totally missing In historical discuss.

Bear in mind i am not on the same wavelength with your brother.

I don’t think there is a need for a back and forth. I am not responding to you Anymore

lawani:


And Ashipa is a Yoruba name common in Oyo and etc. I am not saying Iduwina and Iduekae mean all those things of course but just pointing out to him how such words are constructed and there is no doubt those quarters were named by Yorubas of old Benin during the empire times. I only respond with insult to insults and only an idiot will insult somebody without expecting a backlash. I am only pointing out that the empire was Yoruba and language was Yoruba and it was the language spoken in the city which was over 50k in population back then. They named Ogutun Agenebode and etc and their nobles have titles that are Yoruba language peculiar to Benin Yoruba. Ijesa titles are not Oyo titles and Ijebu titles are also distinct, so if Benin titles are distinct does not mean it is not Yoruba language. You find such titles only in Yoruba land and not in Edoid groups east of Benin. I don't know why the young man thinks history is insult. The fact is all Benin neighbors have history of defeating Benin in battle and if you think your state was never defeated, it means you feel insecure and have an ego problem. The last state to take tribute from Benin city was Ibadan and it was Ogedengve of Ijesa acting on behalf of Ibadan before the civil war broke out but some Benin will claim it was Britain that ended the Benin empire!. Is that not an ego problem by those young Benins?. They ended Benin by invasion but left Egba until 1914?. Even Ilorin that had a real confrontation with Britain after the Kiriji war and signed an agreement still with them don't go about saying it was only Britain that stopped Ilorin when they know they were tributary to Ibadan. Why is Ijesa not saying Ijesa was only conquered when Ogedengbe was arrested by Captain Bower?.What should Ijebu say that the Ibadan had to ally with Britain before they were forcefully opened up for trade? And that is the only reason Ijebu land is balkanized into Lagos and Ogun and Ijebu ode is not a capital city. If any entity in Nigeria is to say they lost opportunity to colonisation, it would be Ibadan but how many times have you heard them do that?. Nobody is saying Benin was not successful but in the nineteenth century when Britain, France and Germany were the relevant European powers in West Africa, Benin was no longer in existence as a power. It was the Portuguese that knew them. Ijesa, Ijebu, Egba Dahomey, etc were far more organized and successful in the nineteenth century not to talk of Oyo and Benin had reverted to an Edo state that it was originally as a result of the original landowners reentering the city in large numbers. I see no reason to accept the Benin narrative being peddled because history is an academic discipline and should contain only facts as much as possible. I can not accept something manifestly false while still alive. It is a fact that the British monarchy is of French Viking origin and that is why the English language is very French sounding and I believe that if the monarchy had led the British empire instead of British corporations then it is French that would have been the language of the British empire. It would be a Romance empire with something like English as well as many Celtic languages spoken in the British isles. Nobody debates heatedly in Britain that French was not the language of the court. Anywhere I see pedestrian conclusionsI I do my best to bring illumination and most people bow to superior arguments without resorting to insults like the fellow above, I discovered that Yoruba language is nothing more than a mixture of Kemitic Egyptian, Igboid, Edoid and a significant spicing from Nupoid and etc that has taken up a life of its own and that is an academic fact which only fools will deny but some Yorubas still argue just like the fellow above. I don't debate like that but I respond to insults If they bring proof of.Edo being the language of the Benin empire I will reverse my position immediately I am not a pedestrian academic. I have been published in several journals more varied than any scholar on heart from chemical engineering to history to genetics to International economics to poetry to politics, social sciences and theology

my brother you are a worthless soul, you will never amount to anything good, i curse you this day, you are damned And you will forever be damned.

Idun as a naming pattern is not known among Yorubas, it is not a Yoruba thing , Yoruba cannot give what they don’t have, that’s why that Yoruba professor sought for an external source for the word Idun. It is only a figment of your imagination. You can hope all you want, it is not reality


You have been given several proofs here of the vestiges and relic of the Benin empire which buttresses the fact that the Edo language was the language of the empire but you shown yourself a worthless swine.

Edo naming pattern across Edo central, Edo north, and Edo south all use Idun as a naming pattern in a settlement

Just as cowardly as you are so Ogendegbe was in the 19th century. Ogendegbe never got an inch close to any Bini or Esan land Ogendegbe restricted his foolishness to the extreme northern part of Edo state to the extreme northern part of Edo state , which is farther from Benin than the distance of Akure to Ife.

Show me any material where it was said that Ogendegbe got to Benin city And i would give you ten thousand naira card.

There was no ashipa anywhere, he was directly the son of oba orhogbua

There was no city which was over 50,000 back then before colonialism. Benin city just as at 1952 was 54,000. Look for your city elsewhere, there was no Yoruba language in Benin city


The only thing manifestly false here is your brain which is already tumorfilled

absoluteSuccess:


Be competent brother, I have not made any allegations, you have given us the name of the king who was installed during the conquest, it agrees with the name of the king in Yoruba tradition that was the first king of Eko.

What is the name of the king who was conquered?

Please don't forget you only have the name of the king in whose reign Eko was conquered not quite long. So, I understand it's not a matter of Bini being part of the founding fathers of Eko but were the conquerors of the people here.

this is what you initially ask me bro I find that question absurd. This was your initial question to me below and sincerely i find it absurd, i used Uromi~Benin war to buttress an example that that question was unnecessary because Africans never wrote history and the eyewitness accounts we have did not really document in details but in summary. I further opined that the person(the king of Igala) Oba Esigie fought, the Attah at the time isn’t known in history,. So what are you on about?

”for instance , how many people, king or chief were killed at the conquest of Lagos, what is the traditional
Bini version of this invasion and what impasse or crisis precede the conquest?“ this was your question and i find it totally baseless

Oba Orhogbua wanted to be in charge of the Lagos sea, and he also wanted to extend his frontiers to Dahomey that’s all

absoluteSuccess:


There would be no conquest if the account never tally. There must be a reason a place was conquered, if that is not established, we look at founding.

How would the possibility of Edo being part of the founding fathers of Lagos hurt the history of Bini? The name of the first king of Lagos is Oba Ado, he was the son of Ashipa.

The conquest happened during the reign of Oba Orhogbua and Oba Ado according to Bini accounts and several European historians account was his biological son

who said it is unfounded, you asking me how many soldiers died, how many children of citizens died. This is African history where they wrote nothing. It is just like you asking me how many soldiers did Oba Ozolua take to the Uromi-Uzea war? All we know is that there was a war and we read summary of what happened in the war.

It is like you asking me how many children died in the Benin Igala war? Because I can’t tell you now does that mean It did not happen. I don’t even know the name of the king that Oba Esigie fought with at the time in Igala.


It is not recorded but we have a summary of the war that it went in the Favour of the European account.

In the Bini account, Bini wanted Access over the Lagos and he wanted to extend his frontiers up to the Dahomey. So Lagos needs to be in the pockets, that’s why it went that way.

But you guys nearly crucified the Oba of Lagos when he said he said he is a paternal descendant of the Oba of Benin. Are you saying he does not know his history? Are you Saying the several European historians who jotted this down are clowns? Are you saying the Yoruba professor of history above who jotted it down as an invasion is a clown.


It is not about whether it would hurt Benin history or not, it is about the truth.

absoluteSuccess:


Yoruba don't usually lie about their history, because most of their traditions have backup. You can always go behind and draw out their history from their traditions.

Try not to be sentimental. When did the Bini conquest of Lagos happened, what was the name of the king that was deposed? If there's an eyewitness account, this is recent in history.

By the way, I'm not downplaying the Bini place in Eko history, the history of Eko is is not complete without our Bini heritage and for this there are ogalades called "Ara Ibini arokuntayo."

Bro do some study, It is already certified in history, several materials (has been pasted here and there before backing the conquest or attesting to the conquest of Lagos by the Binis . I don’t see how these Europeans would want to lie as it pertains to the fact that they are not members of either tribes.You can’t be asking me what happened then, i was not there, I read of the conquest of Lagos by Orhogbua and the subsequent installation of his son as king of Lagos.

There are Edo vestiges everywhere of a foreign culture and a conquest, that is certainly not in tune with what they met on ground.

lawani:


Thank you for your approach which shows good upbringing and etc. I wrote a curse against him but it did not upload. Please highlight what you want me to elucidate. I am a purely academic minded person who would withdraw from any unsound position and I do that frequently. Can you point to the faults in my positions so that I can have a new conclusion starting from today. Meanwhile any Idu in Benin is a Yoruba name of which the people there don't know the meaning unless it is a word they share with Yoruba. Ido is Idu which means settlement and there are many Yoruba place names like that. Ido Ajinare. Ido Ani, Ido Ijesa and many others. They should show Edoid place names outside Benin with Idu or Ido or show us Idumota Iduganran in Benin or start claiming it was Edo speaking people that established all Idus in Yoruba land

That is why I said you are ignorant, so neck deep in ignorance, from. Ekpoma to Ewohimi to Ewu to Urhonigbe to all Edo communities in Edo south and central Edo. Are you joking? Several quarters of these towns are replete with Idun. It is countless

lawani:
Iduakae is owned by Akure people
Iduowina is owned by Owena Ijesa people and etc etc

oga Ogun dae kill your pa, are you a worthless soul, iduowina is a quarter of People that deal in wood. Owina means workmen in Edo, have you ever read of the guild system in Benin.

Ekae is the name of a person, a notable person in History, don’t be a slowpoke, you are a worthless soul, among all dull people here, you are Apex, you do not deserve civility and you are not getting one from me

You make worthless claims out of the ceilings, what kind of a worthless soul are you

lawani:


He is one of the never do well bastards who were not given good upbringing. He will never amount to anything worthwhile. Such people don't.

You have not amounted to anything good in life, that is why you have all the time to pass your severe ignorance. Well brought kill you there, if you well brought up, you will not denigrate the Edo race. You almost reference no article here and you go about saying fact, you think fact is feelings.

you are a wasted soul, a foolish slowpoke, i am not reneging on my promise, i am going to insult you into oblivion, try it and see.

I gave you a challenge to provide proof where Bini paid tribute to Akure and I will give you ten thousand naira card, you cannot find it anywhere except your senile brain filled with Imagination.

lawani:


You are a bastard. Tell me where I insulted you. You lack proper upbringing and are very uncouth

You have not amounted to anything good in life, that is why you have all the time to pass your severe ignorance. Well brought kill you there, if you well brought up, you will not denigrate the Edo race. You almost reference no article here and you go about saying fact, you think fact is feelings.

you are a wasted soul, a foolish slowpoke, i am not reneging on my promise, i am going to insult you into oblivion, try it and see.

I gave you a challenge to provide proof where Bini paid tribute to Akure and I will give you ten thousand naira card, you cannot find it anywhere except your senile brain filled with Imagination.

absoluteSuccess:


Everyone have to calm down and study. In as much as I disagree with him on many grounds, I don't agree with your claims either. But I can't ask you not to tell your perceived truth.

We have to learn from both sides.

For instance, how many people, king or chief were killed at the conquest of Lagos, what is the traditional Bini version of this invasion and what impasse or crisis precede the conquest?

Everybody conquer in theories.

it is not perceived, it is settled in history, plethora of eye witness accounts, plethora of historians from Europeaccounts in the 20th century and even a Yoruba historian perspective up there. It is not like we are pulling facts from our buttocks. It is vivid and it what is traceable. Anyone trying to downplay the influence of Edo on Lagos is on a wild goose chase.

anyone trying to downplay the effect of the Edo language on the Benin empire is headed on a mirage journey because there are several facts to buttress it unlike himself that has never cited any material since i started reading his work. my brothers on here in the past has consistently cited several materials

absoluteSuccess:


Stop your insult, tell your story.

Nobody stops you from telling your story bro.

tell him to also stop his insult, he is insulting us (Edos)with his severe ignorance and it is not funny anymore, since i have been reading his argument, he has not quoted one paper, he just make claims he cannot back up, even when several materials are given to him. He does not accept and still goes back to his previous claims

He uses “be civil”to subtly pass his useless agenda, i want to let him know Benin people are the hallmark of violence. I have seen through him, and I promise with my life to insult him into oblivion.

lawani:


Benin established a monarchy in a village at the time derived from a small military post stationed there but a village overtime can become a metropolis. The Benin that came there spoke a southeastern Yoruba dialect while the Awori spoke a variant of the same southeastern Yoruba. They were the same people and there was no war. If there was a war it would be recorded in history. It was just in the seventeenth century not farther back. The Eleko royal family was established by Benin but it disconnected from Benin when Benin declined and was even paying tribute to Akure. It became relatively prosperous on its own. It was birthed by Ogunda Irete and Lagosians believe who managed to make it happen was an Awo from Ijesa land who they saw as a sage. He wanted to return to Ijesa and he was tied down by being given a princess to marry from the royal family and a palace was built for him. He was literarily enthroned and all Lagos monarchs are his descendants but they are also descended from Benin from the mother of Ologunkutere who was the son of the Awo by the princess. The monarchy itself was started by Benin and three chiefs are from Benin Bajulaye whose name current Benin can not pronounce well, Ashogbon and Oshodin, the other chiefs are not Benin but their own Benin was Yoruba speaking Benin and if your own is not it means it is not the same thing. The three chiefs of Benin origin in Lagos came from a Yoruba speaking capital not from one calling Bajulaiye Bazulaye not one that can not pronounce Deji of Akure

Bini was the empire, don’t be a goat, you are a fat fool, a big goat, the king of dumb people. One whose iq is less than 0. A very demented human being.

Those titles went from BENIN TO THOSE places not the other way round.

Obazuaye is a chieftaincy title just like Obaretin, Obarisiagbon and so on. The same with Oshodin and Esogban, it was corrupted by Yoruba. Esogban was created alongside the Iyase and so many other titles during the reign of Ewedo.

Talk is cheap, post any material at all where the Binis paid tribute to akure and i will send you ten thousand naira card.

The language spoken by the Obas of Lagos were not similar to what was spoken in Lagos. That is why many historians even Yoruba historians can acknowledge those were vestiges of Edo. In the whole of Nigeria, there is no place where Idun is used as a prefix of the name of a quarter.

Idun as the name of quarters in Edo state would be over 150. Idun Oza, idunekae, Idunowina etc i have seen foolish Yorubas but yours is the heights.

lawani:


You are simply an idiot because I never mentioned any percentage only that Benin itself is surrounded on all sides by Yoruba speaking communities on their own lands. Population is irrelevant and can become any amount tomorrow. Land ownership is not in doubt. Don't come here to lecture nonsense. None of what I posited has been proved wrong and it remains a fact that Yoruba even till today is entrenched in the territory and there is no chance whatsoever of Edo language not intelligible to anyone apart from Edo indigenes being used to pass messages officially to anyone within the empire. Any individual speaking Benin in Ovia area most probably settled in the place recently after the establishment of Nigeria. They can be indigene only if the language they are speaking is not Benin. Benin People never stepped out of their habitat immediately around the palace walls in the past. Once again. I never mentioned percentage and you can reread my post. I am not interested in the discussion you want to open on percentages. Start another thread for that one.

you are a goat my brother, i rather die than watch you post false information about my tribe and not defend it and you are a very ignorant fool and a waste side gutter boy and a nonentity educationally, intellectually and otherwise .

Okada, Ekiadolor,Ekosodin , isihor , Ugbowo, udo, iguobazuwa etc are all Benin speaking communities and they have been there before your useless ancestors left Somalia.

Your ignorance is enough to sink a ship get education

lawani:

Anybody can have any version of history but what can not be controverted is that the language of the Benin empire was Yoruba and today's Benin was spoken only in the suburbs. This is why the whole empire is surrounded on both sides by Yoruba speaking settlement. Ugbodumila in Delta representing the Olukumi, Warri of the Itsekiri all to the East of Benin with Olukwumi cut off from other Yoruba. Adjacent Edoid groups like the Afemmai are fluent Yoruba speakers up till date. In Ovia LG are Yoruba towns. So how can it be possible for Edo language which can not be understood a few miles from Benin to be the empire's language?. All European records of the time show Yoruba being spoken in the capital. A prayer to Olokun was recorded by a Portuguese as Mo be o MO be o Umale okun etc. Then the names they have on their list are their own spelling and nit the correct spelling. Even today they call the Deji of Akure Udezi of Akure and they call Bajulaye (The king is supreme on Earth) Bazulaye and there are many other examples of the mutilation of Yoruba words. Ogotun in Edo state is spelled Ughotoun or so. Ago Onibode is spelt Agenebode. So anybody can bear any name in a foreign land and any list presented by them is definitely wrong by spelling as well as by pronunciation of names. Edo was spoken in the palace is not the same thing as Edo was language of the empire but both are wrong. Edo speaking began inside the city after the collapse of the empire. You can't use the Edo language to run the empire filled by Yorubas on all sides and it was only when there was no longer any empire that the Edos entered the city and gradually changed the language. It is important to tell history correctly. Thousands of years back there was no distinction between Yoruboid Edoid Igboid and etc but they separated and a large group joined the Yoruba from Egypt bringing almost half of their current vocabulary, then we have from the Igboid and the Edoid as well, Nupe, Hausa and etc to give birth to what today is the Yoruba language. I think the Edoid group may be the least disturbed among Yoruba Igbo and Edoif followed by Yoruba then Igboid. This is my belief as it appears it uses more tones than Yoruba while Yoruba use more tones than Igbo. Yoruba has five tones with two very rare but I think Edo has up to four used frequently and it is somewhat a measure of how longstanding and undisturbed a language is though adjacent Edoid groups can't understand them. I am not disputing any of their claims to them , the best I can do is say my own opinion based on facts on the ground for the benefit of readers. I agree about old timers and newcomers in West Africa and apparently Edo language may be and is infact is obviously more indigenous to West Africa than Yoruba language which is an Egyptian language by almost fifty percent of vocabulary. A large number of Yoruba vocab entered west Africa not too long ago.

dont be a fool, the language of the Bini empire was not Yoruba.

You are one big ignorant fool who just post what he wishes or what he feels, there is no empire that’s surrounded on all side, you only have Edo groups that are bilinguals on border areas and nothing more.

Ugbodumila and itsekiri would not make more than ten percent of delta state.

The Edoid group speaking Yoruba only do so on the fact that they are on the border areas. The “Yoruba” communities in Edo state, many of them are not pure Yoruba but Edo, they speak Yoruba because alongside because they directly border Ondo state.


In the whole of the Midwest, which consists of Edo and Delta state the Yoruba group which would be Ugbodumila and itsekiri cannot be more than 5percent of the Population of the Midwest.

When you compare the Two ovia local government together. The population of these two local governments combined would Give the Bini communities there up to 80% of the population of these two local government when they are combined. Ijaw 15% then the pure Yoruba communities 5%.

Itsekiri is not to the east of Benin, get education my brother you are so ignorant.

If the Europeans saw Some chiefs whose ancestry might actually be Yoruba praying in Yoruba, does that make it absolute, what of the abundant fact that has been given to you to corroborate his argument.

Bajulaiye as you guys call it was actually borrowed from Benin. It is a chieftaincy title which directly translates to the Oba brings life. It is correctly pronounced Obazuaye

Those your interpretations of Ughoton and Agenebode are so fake and foolish


Afenmai is made up of three groups, the Owans, the Etsakos which are the largest, then Akoko Edo

At most only ten percent of Etsakos speak Yoruba, alongside their first dialect and it would be those from Agbede.

Owan about thirty, the rest seventy percent don’t speak it, Akoko Edo only speak it as a second language. There is no community in Akoko Edo that speak it as a sole language.

Esan do not speak it at all

Binis at most 5-7 speak it alongside their Edo dialect

In delta state, the itsekiris might just be the smallest group in the whole of Midwest aside uneme and maybe Okpamheri.

In 1952, they were 34 thousand while Isoko the closest was 74 thousand. I don’t think they have rivaled that figure if not for Nigeria censuses that Favour the big three affiliated groups. You can find the Isoko in two full local government. They also have about 6 wards in Ndokwa east. The itsekiris are only fifty percent of warri south. 70 percent of warri north and 55 percent of Warri south west. That’s all.

The Ijaws are in three local government and they also have about 20 percent of the population of the three Warri local government combined. Even the Urhobos are not left out. They also make at least 20 to 25 of the population of Warri, itsekiri would at most make up 55 percent of Warri, so where is the Yoruba population again

Anioma has about 15 percent of the population of the Midwest And the only community Yoruba speaking community there would be 0.002 of the population of anioma. So how are are both state now Yoruba covered.

The method of communication from the palace of Benin to the several communities in Edo and Delta state that were under his domain was that there was a representative of each community who was fluent in both Edo the palace language and the language of his community in order to pass such message communicated from the palace to his community

lawani:


I agree with you though because Enugu should have been what PH is today since Kaduna is big. However Urhobo and Esan are more centralized than Igbos and would have had fairly large cities with a little government help. It is never too late to start.

yes fairly but it will never be close to the size of Benin city. Because a man from Ekpoma even if Uromi is made the capital would still want to invest in his ekpoma, he would see it as developing another “man’s land” even a man from Irrua would want to still invest in Irrua,

I learnt from one video I watched recently where an Esan man said he was there during Obasanjo’s civilian rule, when Anenih Called all the Elders from the various Esan communities, he informed them that he wanted to heed to their request and create a state for them, that the only hindrance was that they could not come to a conclusion of where the capital would be.

He said the people of Uromi said let them situate the capital in Uromi, he said Esans from other communities argued that Uromi is already developed because of the many rich elites they have.

Ekpoma people now said let us cite it in Ekpoma, others argued that Ekpoma has received its fair share of development because a university has been sited there because of one of their sons, some suggested Irrua and there was no conclusion as they went on and on and it did not materialize because everyone wanted the capital to be in his place.

But if it was the Binis, it would have been a unanimous decision of Benin city

lawani:


I understand. Benin became like that only because of the Benin empire capital that was located there. If the Esan, Urhobo etc gain control over their land. They can via a raffle draw choose a capital. It is never too late at any time for hands to be joined together. It was also hands of MW, Bendel and now Edo indigenes joined together that also contributed to make Benin city prosperous. Then when I don't respond to posts immediately, I may be on other sites responding to posts there, doing something else or sleeping. I think that applies to everybody.

that is because they are a decentralized people, Benin is not the only capital in Nigeria, Enugu is the capital of Igbo land, the Igbos are also a decentralized people.

how big is it when compared to Benin. Seventy to eighty percent of the houses in Benin city are Bini owned even Businesses and Investment. If every Bini man chose to build a house in his village, and cite businesses there, we would probably have several large towns today and not one major city, and Benin would certainly not be close to this size.

And there will decentralization of the population of Bini people across the several cities

AutomaticMotors:


Olu I don warn you !! Ovbioba no dey talk wetin norfit happen unlike your Yoruba land mey na so so Igbo una dey smoke !! You crazed hermaphrodite of a man!!

you dae call am OvbiobA

lawani:


I agree that Urhobo are large enough to have a big city and it would have helped if one of their towns was made a capital city. They had towns larger than Abuja before Abuja became FCT.

that is what I am trying to show to you, Because they are not a centralized people, they have twenty four kings in Urhobo land and when development is coming to Urhobo land for example, every of their king will want it to come to their immediate terrain. They are conscious of their land and not their ethnic tribe as a whole.

The same thing with the Esan people, I will give you an example, Ambrose Alli was the governor of Bendel and when he wanted to cite a state university, he went to his Hometown Ekpoma to cite it,

Even Aikhomu that is from Irrua though he is late now was former deputy head of state to Banbagida, when it was time for him , to cite a specialist hospital in Esan land, he went to his hometown Irrua to cite it.


Bu if they were both Bini men, they will both cite it in Benin city. Igbinedion and Benson Idahosa, are both Bini men but however not from Benin city but they largely made Benin city what it is today because of their numerous investment in Benin city, I hope you understand sha

lawani:


Benin might be more

okay

lawani:


Ijesa in total might be more. I said growth rate. Not population size.

might be more , fine, proof ?