₦airaland Forum

paxonel:
that's true to some extent in that, Jesus build people which is THE CHURCH, that one is not religion.
But church building and all the ordinances practice inside ,is religion. You can't dispute that fact no matter how hard you try

paxonel:
that's true, churches are doing great job helping the poor, i can testify to TB Joshua and this emmanuel tv team and many more,
but we are talking about solving national problem here which is of a greater impact
i mean, how much poor people can these churches reach with their limited resources?
that is why, preaching the right information from the Bible and Quran remains the only solution to the problem of this nation, because, somehow in the nearest future ,
a child from the church with right information may end up becoming a Senator.
a child from the mosque with the right information may end up becoming the president
so far, no pastor in Nigeria is doing a good job in terms of passing the right info from the Bible.
it is money they want

paxonel:
exactly!
nobody can do without people, that's why we are a nation.
i think our interest should be replenishing this nation, rather than replenishing the church and.replenishing pastors pocket.
what am i gaining from them?
the moral values of the Bible, they are not teaching us. it is African norms which does not conform to ethics they are busy promoting

paxonel:
lol.. i didn't say transport money is my problem, atleast, there should be a benefit for every little money i spend no matter my wealth

paxonel:
that is true, people have liberty to do whatever they like, because i have liberty, i can fetch a 25 litre drum of water from a tap and climb a 3 story building with it, only for me to pour away the water down from the third floor to empty the drum again. does that make sense?
if people go to work, atleast their benefit is payment
if they go to club, atleast they are catching fun.
what do i benefit in church? i have been going without one benefit. instead, it is transport money i am wasting.
all i know is that, i believe in Christ and i am saved, i don't need to shout it for the world to hear.
let them see it my lifestyle and know
you may benefit from church, people are different

paxonel:
he doesn't know that in every nation, whether people are morally upright or not,it is reflected in their standard of living and not in how much time they go to church or mosque ... lol

Iceflox:
it is the white man world that need change.
a society which encourage girls to be walking naked and there is impunity everywhere, is that not immoral society ?
their high rate of immorality is in the increase. our culture and tradition has helped check immorality in our society and you are telling me that they are better than us.

Iceflox:
it is the white man world that need change.
a society which encourage girls to be walking naked and there is impunity everywhere, is that not immoral society ?
their high rate of immorality is in the increase. our culture and tradition has helped check immorality in our society and you are telling me that they are better than us.

Iceflox:
you are right with the diagnosis, But we are africans, we can't help but still remain africans

paxonel:
let me bring this back. is this not your statement?.. lol

paxonel:
i think it is a socio - cultural problem, Africans are just so hyper spiritually incline. history have it that Africans has been like that from the beginning, even before Christianity came, when missionaries eventually brought Christianity,books like revelation became a perch tree for Africans to extend their hyper spiritualism into Christianity of this generation because they cannot simply understand it . an emotional illusion that sees the various adherents into churches to seek spiritual solution to their problems, rather than being realistic
we all somehow are influenced by this trend

paxonel:
the point is, even if it was written clearly in revelation that God is coming to destroy the word, that statement is a vision and needed interpretation

paxonel:
it is wrong
ok, take a look at this Scripture
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
this tells us that it is human who denies that Jesus is the Messiah and not spirit, which confirms that 2john 1:7
in otherwords, any human who preach that Jesus is not the Christ is Antichrist,and he deceive people, they are everywhere just like urheme said.
the revelation he quoted was just a vision which represent this, just like parables, which needed interpretation.
for instance,the beast represent humans who denied Jesus and mark of the beast or 666 represent any alternative religion that deny Jesus.
remember, Christianity is the only religion that confess Jesus as the coming Messiah which is the salvation we are talking about.
therefore, without Christianity our faith it is impossible to please God
so, anybody, by deception who accept other alternative religion in this world apart from christianity, has accepted the mark of the beast, which is 666
.it is happening everywhere around us.
such person is liable to loose his salvation and he is thrown into the lake of fire after judgment .
this is what pastors in the UK and other developed nations teaches and it is more sensible than what pastors are teaching here in Nigeria and Africa .
urheme was actually correct.
anyway, i have to investigate him to prove to you that, the revelation did not outrightly say God is going to destroy this world
if i had told you the other way, you wouldn't have believe me

paxonel:
he says, the Antichrist will come in a human form and not spirit

paxonel:
i told you that the Antichrist were not spirits,they were men who deceived Christians, making them not to believe that,Jesus is the coming Messiah, making them to denounce their Christian faith .
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

paxonel:
ok,
who is the Antichrist? is Antichrist the same thing as the beast?

Image123:
Earth planet earth.

Image123:
Yes.

Image123:

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1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.




Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.




Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,




Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Image123:
He died to redeem the world i.e humans, not the world i.e earth.

Image123:
Everything i just told you is in the Bible.
God wants to destroy this world because He has found it irredemable and He wants to make something better. That is His reason.

Iceflox:
its either you are not a pastors child or you simply lark home training

Iceflox:
i don't think that his father is a pastor, no pastors child behave that way

paxonel:
why?

paxonel:
you well so?... lol
you cannot tell anybody you are doomed for their belief, are you God?

Oduduwaboy:
Christianity ( and Islam) is so full of confussion. Why cant a loving heavenly father just reveal the truth to everybody at once? This hide and seek game with humanity has become very uninteresting joor! If you are truly there Sky-daddy why not just reveal yourself na?
We need an end to all these ' there-is-rapture-there -is-no-rapture-argumens'!

paxonel:
it is simple, let them teach church members that they can always remain Christians without going to church, in that way, they will make church members free.

Iceflox:
my friend, stop sounding like a child, can't you see the trouble around the world? for instance, Malaysia plane is still missing tiil now, don't you think there is spiritual forces behind all these trouble? which are signs that the world is coming to an end?

paxonel:
define slavery

paxonel:
define slavery

PastorKun:
Corrected