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ladon1:
I do agree that some of their teachings are to ectreme but i disagree with you that they should respect other peoples opinion.
Christian doctrine is not other peoples opinion but the writing word of God. Deeper life church has his own little short comings but this is a church that grooms converts to the image of christ though that could vary from person to person but thry are indeed a church founded on truth.

Seemyfather:
Good day house. There is this question I that has been bordering my heart which I will like to throw it to the house as well. Hmmmmm, I do observers that most/many of our politicians hardly or find it difficult going to any of the Deeper Life Bible Church, during their political campaign tour unlike every other Churches like that of Redeemed Christian Church of God, Living Faith Church a.k.a Winner's Chapel, The Lord Chosen, among others.

Of a recent, we will observed that both President Jonathan and General Mohammed Buhari, had in one way or the other visited RCCG during their political campaign tour among others except for that of Deeper Life Bible Church, be it at there state, local or at there National Headquarters.

Now I want to ask; is it that Deeper Life Bible Church its Founder (GS) is not that known to them at all 'ni' or is there anything making them run or stay away from the church during their political campaign 'ni' or what?

Your unbiased opinions or answers would go a long way.

Thank you.

Proximo73:
try it, you are dead

paxonel:
exactly!
when Jesus met Nicodemus he was yet to be crucified. it was then Judaism. there was no Christianity then, that implies there was no salvation because it was the crucifixion that brought salvation.
Christianity started after the crucifixion.
then, how come people are now saying born again is salvation or leads to salvation?
the missionaries never thought over this or they deliberately reach Africans this to put us in bondage

DoctorStephen:
Jesus Christ is truly coming again, and the rapture or catching away is real!
Don't believe a lie

paxonel:
your point is straight forward enough to understand..But the OP is still right.
Born again doctrine is part of the missionary teachings which continues to enslave African Christianity. thank God!! few christians are now thinking and getting understanding.
just read what i am going to say, and think over it with your brain.
it is the brain thinking that makes white men superior over blacks
he told Nicodemus, in
John 3:7, Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Meaning, i want to come out plain and tell you what i mean by born again.
He then told him a parable in
John 3:8, The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
let me explain this parable.
this parable was not a spiritual thing at all .
Jesus told him, i am telling you physical things now you don't understand me, what if begin to tell you spiritual things??
The wind there represent the multitude or crowd of disciples following Jesus. Nicodemus in his sight and ear, sees and hear about the multitude of disciples following Jesus but could not tell where they are coming from and where they are going to (all though they are going to Jerusalem ).
then Jesus ended by saying, so is every man that is born again.meaning,all these disciples you see following me are the born again.
The bottomline is,for Nicodemus to see the kingdom of God it is expected that he should join the crowd of disciples and follow Jesus to Jerusalem where the kingdom of God was to be revealed at his crucifixion. THEREFORE, BORN AGAIN SIMPLY MEANS THE EVENT OF THE DISCIPLES FOLLOWING JESUS INTO CHRISTIANITY (not yet in Christianity but on their way to Christianity ).so born again were not yet saved because they were still at Judaism even at the following.
Remember, it was a transition from Judaism(the religion of the jews) to christianity (the Christian faith ).therefore the righteousness of God was revealed from faith to faith at crucifixion.
now,not all who followed Jesus and called him lord lord(not everybody among the born again ) ended up seeing the kingdom of God (ended up becoming christians ) but only about 120 of them, act 1:15. out of the 5000 who eat bread and fishes.
Example of a disciple who was born again who didn't see the kingdom of God was Judas Iscariot, he died on the way, he was unfortunate.
Another example is john the baptist, he also died. Hence, the least person (the greatest sinner ) in Christianity is greater than john the Baptist and all the prophets of old testament (prophets of Judaism ).
You can see that born again was not in Christianity but in Judaism (another religion entirely just like Islam ) and Christianity is far better than born again. Therefore it is far better to be called a Christian than to be called born again.
The painfull thing is that Christians now hijacked the name born again, boasting that they are righteous than any other Christian thereby causing division in the body of Christ.
Please desist from boasting,no man on earth is righteous. We are all justified by faith and not by our dirty works. And that faith is Christianity.
think

johnydon22:
Yeah quite agreeable... Morality is a product of empathy... for something to be moral it must conform to the good of you, and others and added to the collective good of the society...
If you stole from someone, it hurts the person thereby ur actions are against empathy and therefore is not moral..
If you kiss a girl who also kisses u back, ur actions hurt no one (it pleases both of u instead) their is nothing immoral about it...
Radiate boundless love towards the entire earth, only then will the good in you flow for the good of earth and all in it.

johnydon22:
And what is moral according to u?

psucc:
It may be true they do enjoy but what definition do you attached to the word 'enjoyment'?

At the point or end of enjoyment, does the person still have control or maintain his moral standing or integrity? If yes, right. If no, think about it.

kilokeys:
and since when did suffering become synonymous to chiristianity?

it keeps me sane
teaches wisdom
provides necessary boundaries
gives life a meaning..


until u believe in an omnipotent being.. u haven't started living

paxonel:
just look at it this way,
the church is the prospect of mankind back to eternal life that was once lost at the garden of eden as a result of sin .
in otherwords, there is no other heaven for mankind but the church on earth

wisdomiskey:
All these you have mentioned is all part of the first point. Going to church and spreading the gospel is all part of carrying on in the image of Christ .. hence becoming more and more in the likeness of God

wisdomiskey:
We as humans ask ourselves almost every day what our purpose is, why are we here? We often feel unfulfilled and even make the mistake of believing that fulfilling destiny means becoming famous, wealthy or indulging in a immerse fun, popularity and pleasure (I won’t lie but I often felt that way too) Until I decided to go back to Genesis. My thought process was “Every inventor has a reason for the product they create, therefore, God would have stated his purpose for us right from the beginning of time, right from when he created us”.

As I went back to Genesis, 3 things stood out to me as the purpose for our creation:


1. We were created to be in his image and likeness Genesis 1: 26-27
This to my understanding, is the basic core of our purpose. We are designed to carry the resemblance of God. Not necessarily in looks as God isn’t a physical being but rather, in character. Our purpose is to live righteously, reflecting God’s holiness.

2. We were created to be prosperous and enjoy the earth Genesis 1: 28-30
After God made man, he told us to be fruitful and multiply, He told us to have dominion and reign over the earth. This means to enjoy the earth and all it has to offer. Dominion means confidence. It means to claim territory and power over the earth. He created earth for us! it is our territory. When something belongs to you, you have to take care of it so you can enjoy it. God wants us to care for the earth, care for animals, take care of nature and enjoy it, enjoy food, drinks, fruits etc... Travel, see the world and appreciate the beauty of earth.

3. We were created for love and companionship Genesis 2: 18-25
God stated that “its not good for man to be alone”. He wants us to live in companionship with one another. He wants us to be in partnership – marriage! He designed us to love and to receive love. This shouldn’t be limited to our partners of course. We must also love the rest of the human race we must live in friendship and fellowship with one another.


The purpose for our creation which is highlighted in the beginning of time was reinforced and backed up when Jesus came and said the two main laws are to love God and to love our neighbours! Matthew 22: 37-39

We show love to God by keeping his commandments – hence becoming in his image & likeness. We show love to our neighbours by living in companionship, fellowship and love – not living alone and in isolation. How can we possibly be happy if we are lonely?

These two great laws, intertwined, enables us to live in dominion and enjoy our lives.. This therefore is why we are on earth. We must strive to be holy, righteous people. We must love one another and we must enjoy the earth and take care of it. If we truly live this way, there should be no reason for depression and unfulfilment.

Life is not as complicated as we make it.

Iceflox:
i agree with you that the kingdom of God on earth is the church, But one thing you should know is that, heaven is real, and that heaven is not on earth. it is in the spiritual realm.
Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world

Iceflox:
what has this question got to do with pastors not understanding bible?

paxonel:
ahaha ahhaa,! he will not be able to answer it, don't bother

musKeeto:
Whatever message lends its interpretation to faith rather than common sense and reason will have no 'right' meaning or purpose.

musKeeto:
Sometimes, one has to pause and wonder if the Abrahamic gods jerk off to acts of ignorance. This is just getting depressing. And some will come here to convince us that Jesus is the answer... how can the problem be the solution?

How can people claim to love the Creator, but hate his creation? Must belief in God negate commonsense?

musKeeto:
Sometimes, one has to pause and wonder if the Abrahamic gods jerk off to acts of ignorance. This is just getting depressing. And some will come here to convince us that Jesus is the answer... how can the problem be the solution?

How can people claim to love the Creator, but hate his creation? Must belief in God negate commonsense?

Bidam:
He didn't claim that,she claimed she was a witch for Jesus.

oesnac:
I didn't support anybody to any one.
what am saying is that witch is also bad spirit that lives inside human and be cast out just like demon.

twerkjack:
listen my friend. Witchcraft and spiritualism exists, and it does more in the western countries than it does in Africa, they believe in vampires, ghosts, reincarnation, witches even more than we do. Things like yoga, tarot, qabala, wisdom of the ages all have to do with spiritualism. Do ur research. Only problem is, Africans have low mentality (like wat ur doing now) and handle things in very premature manners, that's why it seems like were the hq of evil in the world.

Mrval20:
Inasmuch as I don't support anyone accusing someone of being a witch, we all know that witchcraft and witches exist!
Let's just stop claiming to be civilized and all that because even the westerners believe in witchcraft; even in refined and modern forms(talk about wicca witches).
It's too early for arguments biko.

Iceflox:
I have begin to sense that, it is either you are a new convert or you are not a Christian at all. if you have been practising your religion blindly, not everybody do. How can you say Nigerian pastors can not understand and explain bible? Do you know what they have studied before they come to that level of pastoring churches?

paxonel:
you know,the fire on the ulter in the old covenant symbolizes worship and this fire was commanded that it should be burnt without quenching
Leviticus 6:13 The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.
this was a shadow of the true worship that is to come in the new convent
before the manifestion of the true worshipers who are Christians, Jesus, who the true worship is to be towards God came in the flesh and encountered a Samaritan woman, the woman told him in
John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
remember, the temple at Jerusalem was the place of worship for the Jews.
then Jesus told her in
John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
meaning, mountain or temple building and all the ordinances in them are vanity,they will not be needed again to worship God when the time comes
and that time has come, that time is now
so, there is no justification for Christians going to church to worship God, church is a mere building,because the building and everything inside and all its ordinances are all vanity before God, they will collapse someday ,
But the building may be useful atleast to house belivers when they gather
gathering is important but it is not mandatory,anybody can choose not to gather, it's not by force.
when the disciples began to admire temple building this is what he told them
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
meaning, it will collapse one day, that implies, we don't need building and it ordinances to worship God
so, what does it mean to worship God in spirit and in truth?
it simply means to believe in Christ and to be in a state of grace.
by believing,, you are already an epitome of worship before God, when God looks at you he sees unquenchable fire burning.
God is everywhere at the same magnitude of his presence,,inside church, in your office, in your toilet, so there is no hiding place.
every micro seconds of our lives is worship, we don't have any worship time
nothing like sabath day
nothing like Sunday Sunday church church
all days are equal before God.
Nigerians know this truth, But it baffles me the way they have become religious people, church this, church that.
they don't have any thing to show for it but corruption.
obviously, God is not happy with such religious nations

paxonel:
it's not the roman catholic state of grace i am talking about.
a state of grace is, when you believe in Jesus and you are saved
everybody in Christianity are already in that state of grace (Catholics or protestants),just because we believe only.
at this point, you are already in the worship state or worship mode.
you don't need to go to church to raise holy hands

paxonel:
actually, a state of worship (also known as a state of grace ) allows us the convenience to think, and work towards replenishing this earth.