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MikeBetty:
The Point In Issue Is That Busola Has Been Having An Affair With That Pastor. Busola Had Consentual Sex.

But can u prove it! The fact still remains that her story was incoherent. She wont dare take him to court. But inspite of all our speculations and theory i believe on bisola and the pastor new wat really happened. They obviously cant sue each oda cos dey know it wud be suicide. Lets just forget dis pple jor, we know after a month dis story is as good as byebye

kingkakaone:
I hope you remember Timi boasted years ago that he married his wife a virgin?
Most of you Nigerians are always so quick to forget.

In 12months time I believe the same people would crucify Timi and applaud the same pastor they are crucifying right now.

Now I know why politicians don't care about the nation.e

If as people are saying that he had two of his kids with her out of wedluck before he eventually married her then how on earth did he marry her a virgin. Am just trying to be rational here.

sweetrace:
Then I am very sorry, I should have read it. I thought it was the laudate trying to force his biased opinion on me. I'll read it as soon as I can.

No problem. Thanks for reading my follow up message. I got interested in ur threads of messages because i was thinkin if i cant convince laudate den maybe someone more sensible can do it. But ur conversations with him only revealed how myopic and narrow minded he/she was. Anyways enjoy ur day like its GOLDEN

sweetrace:
I just want you to know that I did not read your comment. Until Busola has proof that the pastor raped her, I choose to believe he is innocent. The onus is on her to prove his guilt. Her words may be gospel to you but they’re not good enough for me or a competent court of law.

Lol... My comments was actually in support of the answer you gave #laudate, the person u were arguing with. I was only trying to support ur view point. Maybe u should have read my comments. Pls read it

dyydxx:
No one is downplaying situations or reports of false accusations. Your point would have made sense if the man was genuinely innocent. Every case isn't the same and when it comes to judging these matters it has to be on a case by case basis. We can't say because so and so was falsely accused of rape/sexual assault.., then there is a possibility it is the same here. NO...NO CAPITAL NO as regards Fatoyinbo. This was how they said about Bill Cosby, years ago even before the truth came to light, same as Harvey weistein and all these known serial sexual philanderers.

On this particular case, Fatoyinbo is well known as a serial sexual predator right from his days at Uniilorin. There is an history and well rinsed and repeated pattern of sexual misadventures here. Ask any active female member of his campus fellowship then in the 2000s at Uniilorin. It's either some unwarranted touching, smooching, tapping eventually leading to sex. His targets are young naive church girls he's supposed to pastor. it's a well used playbook very similar to the Ese Walters scenario. There are just too many stories about this guy that rubs off the wrong way. They can't all be lying against him, they can't all be a gang up or a stitch up.

As for Rape, obviously she can't prove it since it's 17 years ago and I understand Age of consent was 11 years at the time the alleged incident occurred, but this doesn't stop Busola from telling her story IF it truly happened to her. She can say her experience any time she deems fit especially if that is the truth. Now if Fatoyinbo believes it's a lie and he never had anything of such to do with her the sensible thing is to sue her for defamation and make an example of her. Anything less is a subtle admission of guilt. No innocent man stands by as you are dragged through the mud and your reputation is eternally soiled. Remember the robust response to Ese Walters that is yet to come even after 6 years, silence doesn't repair your reputation, only a firm denial backed by your own evidence would.

And if he simply sit his ass down on his 10,000dollar couch all year round and declines to sue for defamation, just allowing all of this to quiet down like he did to the Ese walters case how then would justice be served. I completely understand ur premise and honestly i appreciate ur view on this matter. But whoever gave the dakolos the idea that bringing this to the public would suddenly get justice served made a bad judgement call. U speak of fatoyinbos which has come under public scrutiny but dis whole saga has also brought bisolas promiscous past into the light making her look more of a prostitute the same way fatoyinbo is seen as a sexual predator. Youtube was never the way to go about it. She should have gone to court and the bylaws in rape cases protect the identity of the accuser and i assure no one would probably know she was the victim and as such if found guilty the whole world would no that fatoyinbo is a pig who got justice served. This woman should be fighting for JUSTICE not SYMPATHY.

STRENGTHesq:
In court a rape victim's identity is hidden

Thank you sooooo much for this information. Which does make sense if its true and protects the victim against stigmatisation

Rape is a heinous crime. And please for all intent and purposes i am not saying the man is innocent neither is bisola guilty but all am saying is that before we all fold our sleeves and stone this man to death lets have a fair trial. Whoever gave the dakolos the impression that going on socia media to air this, made a bad judgement call it was simply a bad move. Now its not just about her story of "he raped me". The whole world now digs into her past and bring up all her dirty laundry that has completely discredited her story, a past that i dont think her own husband is aware of. So who then becomes the looser in all of this, ofcourse timi dakolo. What bisola should have fought for right from the outset is JUSTICE, not SYMPATHY! The more reason why she should have gone to court, bring this man to justice and if found guilty nigerians would be so PROUD that for once JUSTICE has been served in the matter of RAPE!

sweetrace:
Your venom is something to behold! I am female too, so you can pray for me to get raped as well. In your praying, please remember that who ever curses me is cursed and whoever blesses me is blessed. As for providing evidence, you’ve got wrong. Busola is the one to provide evidence that she was raped. The pastor is to provide evidence to counter that.

I wonder why u waist time and breath debating with this guy #laudate(assuming he is a guy wich i frankly dont care). I have had my share of arguements with him/her and it seems like talking to a brick wall or worse someone with an IQ the size of a tea spoon. Bisola didnt sue or file a police report but went straight to almighty judge youtube and made her accusations, and to what end so that the man would get irritated or act hastingly in a bid to prove his innocence and sue her(bisola) and then like #laudate said she start opening up all the cupboard that contains the mans skeleton? The same cupboard where bisola has stored her own rotten skeletons. In the world of SMART MOVES, this is probably the dumbest thing have heard. The man might as well sit his ass down, say nothing, chill out and just let this whole saga die down and trust me what then becomes of her accusations, it becomes an echo, gone with the wind! #laudate speaks so highly of psychology wich is almost impressive but says somuch of his/her lack of psychological intuition. Go watch the video #laudate and before you pls read something about body language psychology and look bisola in the eye and listen to her narratives, ask her the tough questions then maybe, just maybe you would begin to see things differently wich i doubt u would. If the man is guilty wich i pray for the sake of many women out the let the wrath of the descend on him but what then happens if he was falsely accused?

Person come ur house unannouced(ofcourse one might argue there was no cell phones at the time wich is true), my guy knock ur papa door, u open and the next tin na to push u, begin unzip and put im gbola inside u while covering ur mouth, d same time as u claim ur elder sister was at home. U never said in ur video interview that wen he knocked and u opened the door he asked whether mummy and daddy were at home, u never said he asked if ur siblings were at home he just went straight to wonderland risking d possibility dat as soon as he pushed u inside mummy and daddy cud hav been sitting right in the parlour or ur elder sister might have been coming down upstairs. Hmmmm.... I gree say dis pastor na dog but can he be a dog and slowpoke at d same time or is bisola just hiding somany truth in this story

Person come ur house unannouced(ofcourse one might argue there was no cell phones at the time wich is true), my guy knock ur papa door, u open and the next tin na to push u, begin unzip and put im gbola inside u while covering ur mouth, d same time as u claim ur elder sister was at home. U never said wen he knocked and u opened the door he asked whether mummy and daddy were at home, u never said he asked if ur siblings were at home he just went straight to wonderland risking d possibility dat as soon as he pushed u inside mummy and popsy cud hav been sitting right in the parlour or ur elder sister might have been coming down upstairs. Hmmmm.... I gree say dis pastor na dog but can he be a dog and slowpoke at d same time or is bisola just hiding somany truth in this story

Am about to get married to a woman i expect that the both of us should put all cards on the table, remember i used the word "expect". Was there any point in timi and bisolas courtship that she ever revealed to her husband to be that she was raped by her pastor, even if u never had the courage to do so to ur family but this is the man u intend spending forever with? I think its better for me to know sometin about my spouse past today and get to decide if i should or should not go tru with the relationship than get to find out 10yrs later about somtin i could have walked away from 10yrs ago if i was told of it.

That being said i like to say that the consequence of a man raping a woman is just as bad as the consequence of a woman falsely accusing a man of raping her.

Fatoyinbo might be a dog and a pig, but he still deserves a fair trial

laudate:
Go and talk to a psychologist, to enlighten you. A woman may not be able to give her consent in such situations, if she is paralysed by fear!

Some women freeze in shock, become numb or powerless in the face of such intimidation and coercion, if a powerful person pins them down.

Finally, what on earth gives you the idea that I am a woman? Is it because I believe the pastor is trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, by insulting our collective intelligence with the watery excuses, he is using as a defence??

Hmmm.... All i see and hear is u and i having this merry go round of attack and counter attacks and leading to the same conclusion. At the end of the day opinions and sentiments are not the same as JUSTICE. We have a woman who says i was raped by this man, we have a man yet to defend himself, should we become judge and executioners without a fair trial. Should we not pause for one brief moment and allow this man prove his innocence. Not too long ago three young men, students of university of portharcourt were linched and brutally murdered by a mob, a crowd who acted on the accusation of one of their fellow student saying they stole laptops. These boys were not given a chance to defend their innocence instead the mob went into jungle justice mode and brutally murdered these young lads infront of the entire world to see, for a reason and stupid and sensless as stealing a laptop. Even if their accusers were right at what point in human history do we compare d value of human life to the prize of a laptop.

Months after their demise inveatigations had it that the boys were falsely accused but lets say we had to go back in time and for a brief moment the mob just gave these kids 5minutes just 5minutes to speak their truth, wouldnt we hav had a different outcome today?

This is not bisola accusing a man of stealing a laptop this is her saying "he raped me". Rape being a heinious crime, a taboo my cultural standard. Should we all become a mob and burn this man alive like those three young men met their fate or should we as rational humans give this man the benefit of doubt and allow the law evoke a fair trial?

We all have to understand one thing that by law the consequence of a man of raping a woman is just as bad as the consequence of a woman falsely accusing a man of raping and that is a chance we dont want to take.

If bisola says she was raped. Let her lawyers drapft a subpoena, let the police be alerted and let this be handled in court.

Socia media is no court of law!!!

laudate:
Oga, please stop quoting me if you have nothing sensible to say....your rants do not hold any water.

You are trying to use silly examples, to defend a disgusting act. I repeat: when a woman does not say YES, or if she witholds her consent to a sexual act, and the man persists in going ahead, it is RAPE. End of story. No grammar in the world that you speak, will change it.

If you want to follow in Fatoyinbo's footsteps, by manipulating, intimidating and coercing unsuspecting women into bed, feel free. The thunder that will fire you, the curses that will trail you and the disgrace that will bury you, are doing press-up at Bar beach. Just be rest assured that you will not get away with it, because they will locate your house without any delay. #Say NO to Rape.

You just shot urself on the foot even before learning to walk. You alone argued that she never said yes hence its termed rape. But my arguement was quite simple and clear. That consent cannot always be a matter of verbally saying yes or no. If a woman isnt in a position to say yes or no whether she is a deaf mute or her mouth was strapped then her consent is expressed in her body language. That was my position and the laws position on consent. And please if you really want to make ur arguements do so without the insults and jibe. No human in their right senses would condone rape least of all me. But should we hang every man on a stake simply because a woman says he raped her without a fair trial. Would you do that to every man just because youre a woman hence u sympathise with bisola. Should the law be swayed by public opinions and sentiments rather than fact and evidence. I do feel he is guilty and i no why i feel so. But i rather allow a fair trial to be right so i dont condemn a man only to find out 20years down the line that his accuser made false accusations. You and i werent there were we, its her words against his. Or are u now in the place of God who is all knowing and can emphatically say without a shred of doubt that u saw everytin that transpired and hence fatoyinbo should be incarcerated please enlighten me

laudate:
Oga, please stop quoting me if you have nothing sensible to say....your rants do not hold any water.

You are trying to use silly examples, to defend a disgusting act. I repeat: when a woman does not say YES, or if she witholds her consent to a sexual act, and the man persists in going ahead, it is RAPE. End of story. No grammar in the world that you speak, will change it.

If you want to follow in Fatoyinbo's footsteps, by manipulating, intimidating and coercing unsuspecting women into bed, feel free. The thunder that will fire you, the curses that will trail you and the disgrace that will bury you, are doing press-up at Bar beach. Just be rest assured that you will not get away with it, because they will locate your house without any delay. #Say NO to Rape.

Laudate no one is saying he is innocent but somany times we have seen people thrown into jail or sentenced to death on false testimony or even on the testimony of one person without examining the fact. We saw how 5 juveniles, 5teenage boys were sentenced to almost 10years in prison or worst for rape because the american society quickly judged and condemned these kids without examining the fact but almost 10years into their sentence new evidence came into the light to prove their innocence but by then they had lost their entire childhood to prison confinements. If you were a judge handling this case and fatoyinbos life hangs on the balance and you as judge get to decide whether he lives or dies would you anchor his life simply on the testimony of bisola or on socio media critics and immediately condemn him to death or would you as judge allow for a fair trial. Pls dont say well people said he has done it before, no we are talking about bisola vs fatoyinbo. Proof his guilty and proove it beyond reasonable doubt and then u can nail this dog of a man to the stake if u soo please

glowingflame7:
I've read it before posting. I only posted the selected verses that show her complicity. Even as far back as those uncivilized and bashful time, she's expected to shout or tell instead of being dumbfounded in the name of virgin.

Truth be told youre right and since its Gods word the bible its hard for me to argue the narrative there in. But you have to understand that if we were still living under he law of moses, also known as the mosaic law, somany sins today as a matter of fact, somany crimes today would be purnishable by death, but today in Gods mercy he gave us a new law. The of the Christ that preaches forgiveness.
Bisola never said she stuggled, she never said she screamed even when she admitted her sister was in the house, and admittedly all of these happened in the 90s when there was no gsm or mobile phones. So someone came to ur house unannounced with the intention of raping you, by the time he knocked ur door wouldnt the first to do be, to ask if your parents are at home, or if ur siblings were at home just to make no one comes against him and his agenda. So how did he know u were home alone and even if he knew it begs common sense to say he still wud have asked just to double sure. But i cant recall bisola saying any of that in her story, all she said if my memory isnt cheated by some spell, she said as soon as i opened the door he pushed me to the chair and started unzipping and i was abt to scream and he closed my mouth. And yes he eventually succeeded. He forced himself on you but when he left for his car to go get krest(a soft drink that taste like sprite or lemon) u never thought of running upstairs to go alert ur sister u claim was at home?

I really wish i can exhaust all the questions in my head right now but goin back to the mosaic law i want you to understand that even when moses wrote the law he also took into factors like persons with anxiety disorder, people who are petrified by fear and would simply go numb and speechless in the face or terror, u also have to consider the fact that u have a man weighing almost 85kg pouncing on alittle girl completing overpowering her closing her mouth and having sex with her against her wish, these are exception to the law stated at deuteronomy.

My take on this whole saga is this. While there is no rule of saying exactly how a woman should react when being raped, if shouting and screaming is a anguement to prove nonconsensual sex then who is to say that being numb and speechless and not struggling means u consent to sex. Hence one cannot argue consent on whether or not she could have struggled cos that would be an insult to every girl or woman who has been raped and wished they could struggle but just cant because there circumstances made it possible. If you point a semi automatic riffle to a childs head and tell her mother that if if she screams while to are about to rape her you would blow off her 5yr old daughters head do you scream of stay quiet and should she be judged for that?

Bisola told a story that begs somany questions a story that questions her character and her sincerity. A story that leaves somany neutrals asking the tough questions that if she was stand on trial she would loose this case.
Biodun on the other hand is a dog and bully, a paedophile. It would take more than bisolas narrative to take down this man.

laudate:
You are too ridiculous for words. Please watch her video again, and show us exactly where she said "Yes," to the sexual act of the pastor. Kindly tell the truth if you can, and let the devil be ashamed. Don't forget that all liars go to hell, o!

Consent isnt always expressed as verbal yes or no that would mean that forcing yourself on a deaf woman isnt rape just because she didnt say the word no. Consent is most times expressed in her reaction and body language which speaks volumes.
While talking about consent most times the law try to illustrate it in terms of a cup of tea. You either say yes i want a cup of tea or no i dont want a cup of tea, which is quite simple, a girl can either allow for sex meaning yes i want it or resist meaning no whether she chooses to be verbal or silent is irrelevant her action speaks louder than words. But going back to the cup of tea analogy one might also argue that someone might say no to a cup of tea 5minutes ago only to change their mind 5minutes later which is true and can be interpreted as consent. A girl may resist sex at the beginning only to enjoy it 10minutes into it and in criminal law that would be interpreted as consensual.

glowingflame7:
Typical Ilorin girl indeed. Is she duller than virgins in bible days?

Deuteronomy 22v 23 If a young virgin has given her word to be married to a man, and another man meeting her in the town, has connection with her;

24 Then you are to take the two of them to the doorway of the town, and have them stoned to death; the young virgin, because she gave no cry for help, though it was in the town, and the man, because he has put shame on his neighbour's wife: so you are to put away evil from among you.

25 But if the man, meeting such a virgin in the open country, takes her by force, then only the man is to be put to death;

26 Nothing is to be done to the virgin, because there is no cause of death in her: it is the same as if a man made an attack on his neighbour and put him to death:

27 For he came across her in the open country, and there was no one to come to the help of the virgin in answer to her cry.

You should have read down to verse 28 and 29. Am sure you would get a different take on the matter

Hmmmm.... Its better to free a criminal than send an innocent man to jail. Even in a lawless country every human deserves a fair trial. If we all would prejugde or judge people on the bases of public opinions every one would either be in jail or worse. I think no one is saying bisola isnt telling the truth and no one is saying biodun isnt guilty. But lets see things objectively and allow room for the benefit of doubt, we are saying both parties are entitled to have a fair trial, we are saying lets allow the truth to triumph beyond reasonable doubt. I raped 20women doest mean i raped bisola or i slept with 20 pastors in my church doesnt mean i consented to biodun having sex with me. So these are the grey lines that we need to examine and allow justice to prevail rather than opinions and sentiments. I listened to her interview or one might say testimony and to be honest her entire narrative begs somany questions that if she was put on trial even a high school student with no experience in law would shred her accusations to pieces. Her story for all its flaws were true but she left out somany loop holes that a good defence lawyer representing biodun would eat her for breakfast in any court of law. This pastor would get what he deserves but it going to take more than bisolas story cos to be honest it doesnt take a lie detector or a psychologist to tell you that she wasnt being entirely honest. Please before anyone nail me to the stake i want you guys to go on youtube and listen watch her interview again but i want you to do so from a neutral perspective and objectively. Study her body language read between the lines acces each statement that comes out of her mouth and please ask her questions as though she was sitting next to you. Believe me shes not a good witness and shouldnt dear stand on trial. Her story isnt credible enough to bring this man down... It would take more than her story and a far better witness