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ogascomax:
What type of question is this self. I got the tariffs in is dream. The thing just fell on him all of a sudden.

Some of you are really clueless. Lol.

For example, Trump told you that Vietnam imposes 90% tarrifics on US goods into Vietnam. 90%? And you believed? Lol.

So, I am asking, how did Trump come about the figure that a country like Vietnam charges 90% of tarrifics on imports from the US? Because Vietnam doesn't charge 90% tarrfics on US imports. Do you know what 90% of tarrifics on imports mean? Lol.

DaddyCoool:
Not like countries like China and Nigeria. Why do you think all these US companies make their products in other countries then bring them back to US to sell? Because it is an open economy - you go whatever route benefits you. Try to do that in China - you'd probably be sent to re-education labour camp!😆

You are changing lanes. Your initial comment showed that you think the US doesn't charge tarrifs on imports from other countries. That is not true.

It is clear you really don't know how international trade works. There are over 4000 Chinese companies operating in the US.

Companies generally likes to go to countries where the cost of production is low. The cost of production is very high in the US. Coupled with the fact that the US has trade regulations, and trade unionism that generally tend to make operating businesses in the US difficult, unlike China. China has a huge market, cheap labour, less trade unionism than in the US and less restrictions on companies about green house effect. For example, it costs apple $30 to make one iphone in China and $300 to make the same iPhone in the US. So why wouldn't apple set up a factory in China to produce phones and sell to the huge Chinese market of over 1 billion people and also export to the US? It's common business sense. Even Elon Musk has a huge factory in China for producing Teslas. Why did he set up a factory in China since he loves the US very much? You think business decisions are based on emotions?

Even with these Trump tarrifics, let's see how many companies will return their production back to the US. The CEO of some companies are already saying it will still be cheaper to pay those tarrifics than return production to the US. (After all, it is still American citizens that will pay these tarrifics in terms of higher costs of goods).

Capernum:
I support Trump 100%. A reasonable country will cut down on their tarrifs on American imports and make American imports cheaper for their citizens. Can you imagine what a lesser tariff on cars will do for us in Nigeria?

America is not even fully reciprocating and the world is crying. When some countries are having over 50% tarrifs on American imports, did they hear pim from America?

Please stop believing Trump that is a Pathological liar.

Let me ask you a question; how did Trump come up with these tarrifics that these countries charge the US?

DaddyCoool:
That's what it amounts to. US market is virtually open while countries like Nigeria and China slap tariffs on imports

So, you truly believe the US doesn't charge tarrifs on imports from other countries?

Na wa.

maasoap:
Now, you're on attack mode. Did I hurt your feeling?

Naaah. Attack ke? Just advising you. If you don't like Canada for it's "shitty weather" and lack of social life, I hope you are now living in a country with a wonderful weather and a social life.? 😅

That you think the whole of Canada doesn't have a social life doesn't baffle you? 😅

maasoap:
Canada with its shitty weather and crappy non-existent social life

Anyone can live anywhere. You can live in a place that doesn't have a shitty weather and that has a social life instead of wailing and gnashing your teeth.

concho:
And when she comes to the sobering realization that reaching the destination does not yield the fulfillment she envisioned, a profound sense of emptiness engulfs her, plunging her into depression 😂

Therapists makes more money in Canada than doctors in USA

Are you saying she wouldn't do well for herself in Canada?

I remember telling one idiot on this platform that was comparing Canada to the UK. I told him that people leave the UK and go to Canada. I have never seen anyone leaving Canada to go live in the UK.

Most people that go to UK is because they couldn't get US or Canada.

whytediamond:
You dey chat me from Yankee or you still dey Naija?

Lol. I dey yankee

Owon:
E don set

Edo don price market
Edo don buy market

I just pity the innocent ones that will fall victim to reprisal attacks and vengeance....

In this era, why will a group of retārds that will claim to be civilised put laws into their hands and act barbaric?
THIS WAS SIMILAR TO THE ALUU 4 EVENT, WHERE FOR INNOCENT YOUNG MEN WERE JUST MURDERED BRUTALLY ON FALSE ALARM.

My confusion here is that,
Na hausa hunters dem kill but na foól ani dry protest.

FOÓL ANI AND HAUSA PEOPLE ARE 2 DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT PEOPLE.
THE HAUSAS ARE MORE LOVING, HARDWORKING AND PEACEFUL.

Nothing dey happen. Edo nor price any market. If them protest finish, them go enter house.

By now, boys for the town go don go into hiding because police and military dey find them. Even innocent young men go don run leave town. If not, even all these ones wey come out to protest suppose collect too

whytediamond:
Hustle for dollar paying job and enjoy in Nigeria.

Make I rephrase: get a high income skill and earn in dollars.

1000USD monthly is more than 1.6m Naira.

Even if it will take you 3 years to get that skill, start today.

Wetin I dey go find for Yankee or UK if no be holiday.

After you start earning in dollars, then you start buying enough fuel to power your generator. Then you will continually pray to avoid kidnappers when travelling interstate. Then you will always sort police men so they don't label you as yahoo boy. And if you are sick, God help you that you go to a government hospital.

You think it is by staying in Nigeria and be earning in dollars? Lol. If you are not a politician or making entertainment money like them Davido and burna boy, OYO for you. The system will still teach you a lesson. Lol 😆

givedemwotowoto:
Didn’t Trump say he was matching tariffs by other countries? If that’s the case, why is everyone so mad about it?

So there are people who really believe every single words that come out of the mouth of the orange clown? Wow 🤣😅

Thundafireseun:
Edo women are terrible people

Ode!

So, let's assume, without conceding, that they are terrible people. That gives you the right to kill someone?

It's your igbo brother that did the killing. Killing by igbos for rituals or other purposes is not new to us.

What about igbo women? Either they are maltreating and killing their house helps or they are giving their husbands children that are not theirs. Who cheat pass igbo women for marriage? Lol

ViceGovernor:
Oh you are even making a list with numbers, your madness don dey enter level 13 small small.
When I finish with you maybe na ABC... you go list next.

1 - the businesses they are mixing with music 🎶 I am telling you President Buhari that it is for clearing their drug money.

2 - Check pics below, idiot in US who doesn't know what's going on there, who knows maybe you are in prison serving time sef. Even prisoners seem better informed than you.

3 - Why you cursing? we've been using banter and you changed it to curses.
By the grace of God almighty 🙏 I will not die in suffering my tomorrow will be alright IJN, and because you have said that to me, a wave of the worst type of evil that has never happened to anybody in your family will come upon you with speed, it will happen suddenly and there will be none to help you.

4 - Dr Dre a couple of years ago was worth $950 million but the son of a slave to the white man like yourself is telling me he's not in the billionaire's league. Last year he lost $200m through some bad investment which is the only reason why he dropped on Forbes.

5 - When people know they will not be caught doing illegal things why won't they brag about it in their songs? That's a bragging right for them.
Go and pour away that akamu inside your head that you are mistaking for brain 🧠 it is as useless as the "P" in psychology.

6 - Mumuni you don't need to tell us Jay Z is the richest musician, officially Forbes has already told us he is number 1, although I don't believe he is, the wealthiest ones are hidden.

7 - Rihanna dated the son of the 4th richest family in Saudi Arabia and they break up all of a sudden she comes up on the Forbes list but analogue dead brain like you cannot see read the mene mene tekel parsin on the wall, its not my fault you are blind and dumb mentally.

8 - So you mean 2Pacs beef with Biggy and others was with gang members, gang members are notorious drug peddlers and you are saying musicians don't get money from drugs, yet somehow the two can't seem to separate from each other, you see how I'm lining up your phoolishness 😏


9 - Back to Jay z again, I actually think you may be one of those he paid money to influence public opinion and promote his wife's music because you keep going back and forth telling us gibberish about him getting money from music, the same music he is paying people to listen to.

Once again if you think jay is the only black musician billionaire you should donate your brain to science for experiment cause it is of no use to you and I am certain it is only worth as much as a shovel full of cow dung.

Lol. Dr Dre has never been a billionaire. He almost reached the billionaire status when he sold his Dre beats to Apple but the deal didn't get him to a billionaire. My pain be say you nor know anything.
Lol.

I was expecting you to show evidence that Jay Z pushes drugs. You are talking about him influencing the music industry with money. Lol. Is that an evidence that he pushes drugs? You even believe Elon Musk? Sorry for you. You can believe Donald Trump then 😅😅

Na only you know that Jay Z and other black musicians dey push drugs. New york police is not aware. The homeland security investigation is not aware. The US and customs border protection is not aware. FBI is not aware. DEA is not aware. The CIA is not aware, but you that is in one dirty corner in lagos is aware. You nor see say your brain dey pain you? Lol. 😅

Final advise; leave billionaires. Go and hustle and take care of yourself instead of investing your energy on who is a drug dealer and who is not. Na suffer dey wait you if you continue in this path.

Or better still, come to the US and give the security agencies evidences that these people are drug dealers.

Clown! 😅😅

ViceGovernor:
The bolded has invalidated all epistles you been typing.
[s]You have said it yourself that it impossible to become a billionaire in dollars by music alone.
[/s]
As your reasoning faculty dey in reverse order you still get mind dey mention business as if we don't know all those businesses are fronts, legitimate fronts for layering of dope money.

Even Pablo Escobar get legitimate business, the Rodriguez brothers had many fortune 500 companies spread across continents for clearing their drug money, but you in your supreme stupiditi is telling me business and music is what makes them billionaires, [s]somebody recently paid $120m just to have his wife's songs played all over the country and [/s]even win awards 😂😂 na that type you get mind dey argue with me say na music make am billionaire 😏, na expired kunu and zobo water dey inside your skull better go throway am make you borrow sense from your neighbour.

Nothing them dey sing when fit possibly bring them those money na only educated illiterate like yourself them fit deceive.

[s]You dey US 🤨 so make I fry sand because of that?
You fit dey there dey pack shit for soakaway come here dey form expert for who...alaye park well, dog like you for city dey form lion fún tàni? [/s]

[s]You will be very very stoopid to think Jay and Dr Dre are the only black billionaire musicians[/s], your ignorance is in the superlative form, so you think the drug dealers would like to bring heat on themselves by displaying their net worth.

I don jam king of mumu today 😞 [s]bro the wealthiest people in the world especially the illegal ones they do not want you or anybody to know they are wealthiest.[/s]

[s]You think Hov is the richest musician in the US? If yes then you are even more stoopid than you know.[/s]

You mentioned Rihanna, once again your stoopidity is in full view.... everyone except your stupiíd self obviously knows it's the billionaire Arabian oyel money that boosted her wealth some years back.

Whether any of the bolded has killed somebody or not you and I may never know, even though they have the wealth to order hits without a trace, there's no telling so don't go there boy, the fact that they are singing about it means there is a possibility they could have killed before[s]......as 2 PAC said "they blame the white man but it's my own kind doing all the killing here" who do you imagine he's talking about? [/s]
Dumbo I know you don't know but I will tell you he's talking about musicians like himself.

Jay z is not the only billionaire the extralegal others ones are maintaining a low profile.

Too much rubbish

1. It is not possible to become a billionaire through music alone the reason you have to invest in businesses which the likes of Jay Z and Micheal Jordan has done


2. What's your evidence he paid $120 million for them to play his wife's song? Where were the songs played? Ode 🤣

3. Ozuor 😅 😅. Na suffer go kill you for that corner wey you dey for Nigeria. 😅😅

4. Dr Dre is not a billionaire ode 😅😅

5. You said the wealthiest people doing illegal things, don't want people to know. But according to the same you, rappers rap in their songs that they are drug dealers. You nor dey see your stupidity? 😅😅

6. Do you know how to read? I never said Jay Z is the richest musician in the US. I said Jay Z is the only black musician in the US that is a billionaire. You are such a pathological liar. Same way you lied about me talking about Micheal Jordan when I was clearly talking about Micheal Jackson. Despicable fool.

7. Ozuor. Rihanna became a billionaire only after her investment in her beauty products became a hit.

8. 2pac was talking about black gang members in the streets killing themselves like crips vs bloods in LA. Ode 🤣.

9. I never said Jay Z is the only billionaire. I said he is the only black billionaire that is a musician. According to you, Jay Z is not the only billionaire. Others are maintaining a low profile. But how are they maintaining a low profile when they are rapping that they are drug dealers in their songs? 🤣😅😂😂.

And how come the whole world knows Jay Z is a billionaire. Why is he not maintaining a low profile if he is into drugs? 😂🤣😅😂

And who are the other US black musicians that are billionaires into drugs but are maintaining a low profile?

You too useless guy 🤣😅🤣😂

ViceGovernor:
Why you no create thread make you explain add like 4 pages of more jargons you keep repeating all these epistle on top things when everybody know oga go warm eba chop.

To show your absolute foolishness I never mentioned Michael Jordan.

We were talking about music 🎶 you mentioned Michael Jordan 🤨 Jordan 23 dey sing abi he dey rap, so I'm wondering how Jordan 23 follow enter discussion.
Leave Colorado and alomo bitters, e dey make you talk off point.
MJ- Michael Jackson.

So you wrote all that story to tell me about a 6 time basketball MVP that I watched growing up. Clap for yourself epa.

The fact remains most black billionaire musicians are dope peddlers.

You are an irredeemable fool. Lol.

I said MJ was a musician and that he didn't invest in businesses so therefore, he couldn't have been a billionaire. I used musician (to show the person was an artiste). I used "was" and "couldn't" to show the person is no longer living. Yet, you still thought I was talking about Micheal Jordan. Is Michael Jordan a musician? Is Micheal Jordan dead? You too stupid. Lol

I also talked about Micheal Jordan just to let you know that whether in sports or music, before you become a billionaire, you can't rely solely on your income as a sports person or musician to become a billionaire. You must own businesses. And when the person becomes a billionaire, it doesn't mean the person peddled drugs.

I say Rihanna na billionaire. Does she peddle drugs? Ozuor 🤣🤣.

The idiot say Rick Ross na billionaire. Say he dey peddle drugs. Someone that was a former prison warden. 🤣😅😂. Have you found out that he is not a billionaire? 😅

When you hear of Dr Dre or Snopp dogg rapping about killing Niggars, you actually believe they have actually killed in their life? Ozuor. 😅Your head go good to use sha.

Person wey dey one corner for Nigeria dey tell me wetin dey happen for country wey I dey. Ode 🤣

He said most black musician billionaire are peddlers. 🤣😂🤣. You are too stupid I swear. Jay Z is the only black musician that is a billionaire. Get your facts right before talking. You are looking more stupid with each post.

One last question; how come according to you, all these black musicians push drugs but na only Jay Z be billionaire? Dimwit 🤣😂😅

ViceGovernor:
Fermented kunu water na wetin full inside your brain.
Everybody knows doctor Dre has a legitimate business apart from music which is capable of bringing in billions....his beats by Dre headphones 🎧 alone can bring in the cash.

But you see those other names you listed they're the main drug barons moving product coast to coast.
Which kind music Jay Z dey sing when go make am billions??
Shey u dey whine yourself think say you dey whine me??
Even late MJ no reach billionaire status with all him song and dance moves, na fatty bum bum like Rick turn billionaire and fish brain like yourself would have us believe it's not dope despite all the evidence in their songs 🤣.

Anyways if that's what will make you feel better keep telling yourself that.

Ode. 🤣😅😂. I just dey see your foolish comment.

Dr Dre, Easy-E and ice cube were the founders of NWA. They founded gangster rap but they were not gangsters. This was way before Dr Dre founded aftermath records and Dre beats. Go listen to old NWA raps. You will think these people are gangsters. Na small pikin dey really worry you. 😅🤣🤣.

Drug dealers don't sing. They don't rap. You don't see them on television.

Dr Dre doesn't have any business bringing in billions. He is not a billionaire. He sold his Dre beats to Apple a long time ago.

Jay Z is more of a business man than a musician if you don't know. Jay Z businesses are multiple. He started as a rapper and went full time into business, but he just raps occasionally. For example, Jay Z owns Roc sports, which is a subsidiary of roc nation. Look at the picture below. You will see the number of sports athletes wey him agency dey manage. This is just one business o. Just Google businesses owned by Jay Z so you go stop fooling yourself. Lol. Na Jay Z agency dey determine who go perform for the superbowl half time show.

Let me show you how stupid you are. Rihanna is a billionaire in dollars. What songs has she sang that made her a billionaire? So, according to you, she is a drug dealer too right? 😅🤣. Only music can't make you a billionaire in dollars. You have to be business savvy like Jay z and Rihanna to be a billionaire. Upon all the massive records wey drake don sell, him networth nor reach 300 million dollars. Eminem wey don dey rap for years and has sold millions of records, him networth nor reach 400 million dollars.

For Rick Ross, who told you Rick Ross is a billionaire? Come, how old are you? 🤣😅😂.
So, you think because rappers smoke weed (which is legal in many states in the US) makes them drug dealers? Lol. So, because Rick Ross dey rap about drug dealing and being a billionaire, you think he is a billionaire and drug dealer in real life? Rick Ross that was a former prison officer? Eyaaaah. Music lyrics don deceive this fool 🤣😅😂😂. Come sef, what are you calling drugs? I hope you know cannabis is legal in the US? Snoop dogg and Jay Z has invested in cannabis business. It doesn't mean they are drug dealers o. Cannabis/marijuana businessis a legal business in many states in the US o. Cannabis/Marijuana is legal for recreational use in more 20 states in the US. Jay Z has his own cannabis brand. Him nor mean say him na drug dealer o. Mumu 😅🤣🤣😂

Drug dealing involves cocaine, fentalyl, heroin. These ones are illegal.

So, you stupidly think Jay Z and other rappers are drug dealers and the FBI and the DEA wouldn't have arrested them? So, the US coordinate with Mexican government to arrest drug dealers like El Chapo, na rappers wey be drug dealers for US them nor fit arrest? You be real fool to believe these rappers are drug dealers based on their lyrics, same way you will be an idiot to believe Dr Dre, Easy E and ice cube are gangsters because they rap about killing and shooting in their music.

Kanye west was moving towards that billionaire status until he messed up his deals with Adidas, Louis Vuitton and Balenciaga.

MJ was a musician. He didn't invest in businesses, so therefore, he couldn't have been a billionaire. Micheal Jordan is a billionaire. You think it was playing basketball alone that made him a billionaire? Nor go hustle. Dey there dey think say everybody wey get money dey do something illegal. Ode 🤣😅😂

helinues:
Entirely different scenarios

Rivers would have been in ruin should FG have allowed the lawbreakers to impeach Fubara

Modified: Why are the so called opposition can't engage others logically without attacking or throwing tantrums?

Imagine how they left the topic of discussion and be attacking my comments senselessly..

Eish

Your comment is actually stupid because you turned logic on it's head. GEJ declaration of emergency was due to an Islamic insurgency that had affected those states. In this case, the emergency was declared to appease one person, Wike. If you feel this declaration of emergency by Tinubu is more justified than the one declared by GEJ, then you are an irredeemable fool.

OneOnland:
Only a mischievous person would claim that killings in Nigeria has but only religious colorations. Boko Haram kills Moslems!!

Boko Haram started with the killing of Christians. That was their modus operandi when they started

Lies. It depends on the country you jakpa to and your status in that country.

No one I know that has jakpa (including me) that is living in regret. We dey alright 😅😅

ViceGovernor:
It's the other way round sir.

You are the ignorant fellow if you think a black musician became a billionaire in dollars by selling rap songs 😂🤣.

Not all what they say on tracks are entirely true though, I give you that👌🏾 but you see those top ones forget it sir all of them na dope they get their billions from.

A very good example is snoop Dogg I can bet my left ball that niqqa hand no clean lai lai.

Drakē that your talking about he boasted about offing an opp, he dropped many clues on his song "I'm Upset."

Don't even get me started on the likes of Riçk Rôss and co.🤣
Some of them are into human trafficking mumu like you will say it's not possible....read about púff dãddy who pimped girls and boys for billionaires.

Jæy Zëê is next on the list of the deep state...... nothing is hidden from them.

You be real mumu 🤣😂😂.

Jay Z is the only rapper that is a billionaire. Music played a small part in making him a billionaire.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2019/06/03/jay-z-billionaire-worth/

Read about how Dude became a billionaire. Jay Z is a business man. Na mumu like you go question how Dr Dre became a multi millionaire.

Snoop dogg is a business man. It is said that there is no business that snoop dogg hasn't invested into, including Marijuana, which is legal. Nor let gangster rap fool you. Those guys are into legit businesses.

About Drake rapping about killing his opps, you be mumu if you believed that. 🤣😅🤣. Drake that has never shot a gun. Which opp did he kill? You be mumu o. Do you know how many rappers has killed people in song that has never shot a gun in real life. 😅

Ozuor. What has Rick Ross done? Someone that was a formed correctional officer. Lol. You dey allow their rap deceive you 😂🤣😅.

Ozuor. Adding to what is not there. Where did the police investigating P Diddy said he was pimping boys and girls to billionaires. Make lie lie kill you there.

Do you have any evidence against Jay Z? Go give US police na. Ozuor. 🤣😅😂

ViceGovernor:
Dey there make pant dey wear you.
The biggest music 🎶 drug dealers in the (WWW) whole wide world are based in the US of A.

Listen to Jay Z - God did..... he clearly said we sling dope, cooked a million on a kitchen sink without risking a million years in jail.

🤣😅🤣😂😂.

Mumu. You dey listen to rap and believe they truly do those things. You know how many people people like Jay Z don kill if we follow what he raps about? Person wey never shoot gun for him life.

Snoop dogg raps about killing his ops. But snoop dogg has never killed anyone.

Oga, if you listen to rap and believe they do those things dey rap about, then you are a big slowpoke. 🤣😅.

Even drake don rap about killing someone before. 🤣🤣

You be really small pikin 🤣😅🤣. Na person like you go think say WWE wrestling is real.

Acekidc4:
All this boys are Big Drug dealers Lowkey. All this their entertainment Jobs are just for cover up.

If you know you know. No time to check time. All way Na Way💯😎

Please shut up. Entertainers in the US that are worth millions of dollars, and some billions of dollars, where is their own money from?

You think if your money is from drugs you will have the mind to go to the US to buy a house? Those who are into illicit businesses don't go to countries like the US to acquire properties. That will be shooting yourself by yourself.

Krismas:
1. U are wrong. It happened at a dinner. But i will let you argue blindly some more, b4 i show u the proof. Cos even if Stalin made such speech in a conference hall, its still trash talk
2. U don't know the process it takes to put a country in NATO, thats why u think one leader can just wakeup and dump his nation on NATO. Putin will be overthrown should he be insane enough to attempt to force NATO on Russia.
4. soviet planning committee
The Military Economy of the USSR during the Patriotic War"
A Brief History of the Great Patriotic War"
Are all official government of USSR/Russia account of events.

1. Well, even the article you shared stated it was at a conference. Except you were blind to that part. "TOAST" is what is making you feel it was at a dinner even thought the article you shared stated it was at a conference? Lol.


2. Lol. What is the process please? Funny guy. Yes, a leader can wake up and take his nation into Nato as long as all the necessary requirements laid down by Nato have been fulfilled by country. The first step of joining nato is notify nato that your country wants to join and that step is taken by the leader of the country. Taaah. Go and sit down. Overthrow Putin because he takes Russia into Nato. If you don't know your history, let me remind you; Putin tried for Russia to join Nato. He tried. He wanted it. It was the US that didn't want it.

3. Lies. All these aren't USSR/Russia official account of events.

Krismas:
1, Soviet State Planning Committee
2. How relevant is dis?
3. A senior Politburo member will only reflect official positions. U are very mistaken to think otherwise.
4. Memoir of Khrushchev were never used as propaganda materials like Nikolai, who got a medal for the book from Stalin.
5. U are a hypocrite. U speak with one side of tongue that Russian officials deliberately downplay d lease, then argue with the flip side of same tongue, dat those downplays were not the official government position. So, how are those people officials, if they are not maintaining official positions?
6. All that matter in Russia, is how Russia perceived the lease officially. Which makes Sokolov u keep quoting, an irrelevant reference

1. What were you expecting when a member of the Politburo who was very vocal against the US writes about the lend and lease program?

2. "Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter". Refer to 1 above for it's meaning

3. Never in the history of the USSR did the opinion of a politburo member taken as the official stance of the USSR. The official position of USSR was in line with the position taken by the politburo as a body or a group, and not by the opinion of an individual.

4. Lol. Why should the memoir of Khrushchev be used as a propaganda material by the USSR when he stated the truth that ran contrary to the false view most people after him in the USSR held? And please, can you show me evidence where Stalin gave Nikolai a medal for the book he authored? I would like to see.

5. What are you saying? Lol. Yes, I said the USSR and subsequent Russia officials deliberately downplayed the role the lend and lease program played in helping the USSR to defeat Nazi Germany. Where did I tell you that those downplays weren't the official government position?

I do not know the official position of USSR on this matter, but one thing is for sure; The officials of USSR and Russia over the years have deliberately tried to downplay the role the lend and lease program had in helping them achieve victory


6. And how does Russia perceive the program officially? What is your evidence of USSR/Russia official position on this subject matter? Books written by Nikolai? Lol 😅🤣😅

Krismas:
U left out this

The Short History Of The Great Patriotic War, also from 1948, acknowledged
the Lend-Lease shipments, but concluded: "Overall this assistance was not
significant enough to in any way exert a decisive influence over the course of
the Great Patriotic War.

Then Nikolai Voznesensky was a very senior member of the Politburo. Not just a member, so his views must be official.
Plus the view was expressed IN A BOOK he wrote, which received the highest soviet award from Jo Stalin.
Same too for Nikolai Ryzhkov. He wrote a book and expressed his view.
It will have to be the official view, cos you can't write a book
without citing references. So, book is far reliable than any toast Stalin may have made over dinner or letter Khruschev wrote about recollections of Stalin. None of that matter.
Equally, gossips from foot soldiers and hatchet men, cannever be considered as official position on the matter.

Lol. The short history of the Great Patriotic War written by who?

"Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter".

What do you expect a politburo member to say? And sorry, the views of Nikolai Ryzhkov were never official position of the USSR on this subject matter.

So, both Nikolai wrote a book and it must have been the official position of USSR but the memoir of Nikita Khrushchev can't be the official position of the USSR on this subject matter right? Lol.

For your information, there was a deliberate effort made by the then USSR officials to downplay and never discuss US effort in helping them defeat nazi Germany.


And we are only discussing USSR account of things. I may have to bring the US side of the story so you can see how they were instrumental in helping the USSR defeat Germany.

Maybe you think only the Nikolais have written a book on this subject.

Krismas:
Stalin RAISED A TOAST. Do u drink in conference hall? They were eating when Stalin spoke. And what he said was never the official position of Russia over the issue.
Now, it does not matter whether a president talks about what will happen or what has happened.
Its all trash talk if it is not the official position of the country. Trump wishing to annex Canada or Greenland, is on his own. There is nothing in any official quarter about such. Similarly, Trump's opinion about Bush and Gulf war, cannot alter the official narrative of America on the matter.
Also, Putin is not the owner of Russia. He cannot decide suddenly to put Russia in NATO. And ofcourse Clinton rightly ignored him dat day.

Here is another link on the issue


The beginning was laid already in the first post-war publications in serious scientific journals and in the big press. In the Soviet State Planning Committee, with the help of fairly simple manipulations with numbers, they promptly deduced an estimate of the scale of Western aid at 4% compared to domestic production.

This figure was also found in the official work "The Military Economy of the USSR during the Patriotic War" by the head of the State Planning Commission and member of the Politburo Nikolai Voznesensky, who was soon repressed in the "Leningrad case". The book was published with a delay of more than 30 years, only in 1984, just between detente and perestroika, when the positive attitude towards the comrades-in-arms in the fight against Hitlerism was not very welcomed.

In the same 1984, "A Brief History of the Great Patriotic War" was published, which was an extract from the 6-volume officialdom, in which a much more objective assessment of the allied aid was given. In a short version, the case was limited to this, we admit, by no means a neutral passage:

[Quote] During the war, the USSR really received some types of weapons under Lend-Lease, as well as machinery, equipment, materials important for the national economy, in particular, steam locomotives, fuel, communications, various types of non-ferrous metals and chemicals. For example, the delivery of 401 vehicles to the USA and Great Britain was a significant help. However, in general, this assistance was not in any way significant and could not have a decisive influence on the course of the Great Patriotic War. [/ Quote]


So, the OFFICIAL RECORD had the lease effectiveness at only 4%
Regardless of what Stalin or Khruschev said otherwise.

1. Yes, you can make a toast at a conference. It was a conference held in Tehran and Stalin said what he said at that conference.

2. Lol. Was Sanna Marin, the former prime minister of Finland the owner of Finland when Finland joined Nato? Or is Ulf Kristersson, the owner of Sweden when he carried Sweden into Nato? So, if Putin, who is an autocratic wanted Russia to join Nato and Nato members agreed, who would have stopped him? You? Lol

3. I didn't see any link. Was it not fear of nazi Germany that made USSR sign a Non-aggression pact with Germany? Lol.

4. None of all what you quoted is an official government of USSR/Russia account of events.

The truth is that,USSR/Russia will never agree that the US was instrumental in helping them defeat nazi Germany and it is understandable. They lost more than 25 million citizens and they will naturally want to take all the glory, instead of giving that glory to their enemy (the US).

Krismas:
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Read this article and pay attention to bureaucrats like Nikolai Voznesensky and Nikolai Ryzhkov.

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

A Soviet report by Politburo member Nikolai Voznesensky in 1948 asserted
that the United States, described as "the head of the antidemocratic camp and
the warrior of imperialist expansion around the world," contributed materiel
during the war that amounted to just 4.8 percent of the Soviet Union's own
wartime production.

Nikolai Ryzhkov, the last head of the government of the Soviet Union, wrote in 2015 that "it can be confidently stated that [Lend-Lease assistance] did not play a decisive role in the Great Victory."

What a head of state says during dinner or in a party is irrelevant. Noone except you, puts much chip on it.
You think anyone believe Trump will buy Gaza? make Canada the 51st state or annex Greenland?
Or u think Putin was serious wen he told Clinton at dinner that Russia want to join NATO?
Leaders talk nonsense alot, and soviet leaders are no exception.

Then, lease would not have helped Russia, had Nazi developed nuke.
Nevertheless, Napoleon was the greatest military power in his day, who conquered d whole Europe, but yet fled from Russia.
Russia power lies in using nature, terrain and geography against invaders.
U will meet snow, Dune, heat, scourge, Trees, scrubs, Mountains and moles, Rivers and wilderness, Bears and foxes b4 u conquer Russia

A Soviet report by Politburo member Nikolai Voznesensky in 1948 asserted that the United States, described as "the head of the antidemocratic camp and the warrior of imperialist expansion around the world," contributed materiel during the war that amounted to just 4.8 percent of the Soviet Union's own wartime production.

This was by a politburo member. It was not an official USSR government report. 1948 was a heightened period of the cold war and thinking a report from a politburo member will praise US effort in helping USSR in ww2 is a sign of naivety.

Same thing with the comment made by Nikolai Ryzhkov in 2015. A former soviet leaders saying in 2015 that the US helped USSR to defeat nazi Germany would have turned the entire country against him.

But let's analyze the opinions of PARTICIPANTS in the war and intelligence report.

I will be posting pictures from the article you sent

Krismas:
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Read this article and pay attention to bureaucrats like Nikolai Voznesensky and Nikolai Ryzhkov.

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

A Soviet report by Politburo member Nikolai Voznesensky in 1948 asserted
that the United States, described as "the head of the antidemocratic camp and
the warrior of imperialist expansion around the world," contributed materiel
during the war that amounted to just 4.8 percent of the Soviet Union's own
wartime production.

Nikolai Ryzhkov, the last head of the government of the Soviet Union, wrote in 2015 that "it can be confidently stated that [Lend-Lease assistance] did not play a decisive role in the Great Victory."

What a head of state says during dinner or in a party is irrelevant. Noone except you, puts much chip on it.
You think anyone believe Trump will buy Gaza? make Canada the 51st state or annex Greenland?
Or u think Putin was serious wen he told Clinton at dinner that Russia want to join NATO?
Leaders talk nonsense alot, and soviet leaders are no exception.

Then, lease would not have helped Russia, had Nazi developed nuke.
Nevertheless, Napoleon was the greatest military power in his day, who conquered d whole Europe, but yet fled from Russia.
Russia power lies in using nature, terrain and geography against invaders.
U will meet snow, Dune, heat, scourge, Trees, scrubs, Mountains and moles, Rivers and wilderness, Bears and foxes b4 u conquer Russia

Omo. I have been away.

Hehehe in Rema's voice. 😅. So, you went to Google? So, we all go to Google then. Lol. That's by the way

Did you read the full article ? Let me summarize what the article says; Without US help, Russia would have lost that war. But before I delve into that, let me correct something you said; you are wrong to say that what a head of state says during dinner is irrelevant. It depends on the event the head of state is talking about. First, Stalin stated in an international conference in Tehran (not dinner) that the USSR would have lost the war without the help of the US. Nikita Khrushchev, in his memoir (not over dinnner) also said the same thing.

Also, the examples you gave really shows you may not even understand the issues at hand. Trump saying he wants to get Greenland or make Canada the 51st state and Putin saying he wants Russia to join Nato are things they intend/intended to do in the FUTURE. It is different from when a Soviet leader that has fought a war and after the war, gave an assessment that his country would have lost the war if not for the help of the US. How you equate both scenarios baffles me. Trump criticizing Bush for invading Iraq after 9/11 is a perfect example not the one you gave. Trump as president criticized Bush for going to war in Iraq. You see the similarities? These were world leaders talking about events that has happened, not the example you gave where leaders were talking about things they intend to do (and for your information, Putin was actually serious about Russia joing Nato).

It will be foolish to brush aside the talk of leaders of a country when they describe past events involving their country.

My second write up will be about the article itself.

Krismas:

U keep repeating yourself over and over?
Someone here, said the lease only helped Russia 7%, u think he just made up dat figure?
Its the official Russian position even though we know its a lie.
If you want Russian sources that downplay the lease, i think i can give dem to u too.
So stop talking too much about former soviet leaders.
As for defeating Russia, it takes more than winning Russia in a war, to defeat Russia.
Ask Napoleon, he defeated the Russian military, took Moscow and still lost.
You don't know anything about Russian military doctrine, thats why u are thinking without d lease Russia would have vanished

Well, you don't expect Russia to agree that the lease helped them significantly.

And please, I would like to see evidences of Russian sources that downplayed the impact of the lease.

I should stop talking too much about soviet leaders? Lol. Do you know what it means for soviet leaders to say that they wouldn't have survived the war if not for the support of the US?

I should forget soviet leaders that gave an honest review of how the US helped them? I should leave the assessment of people that were at the centre of the war and follow what you are saying? 😅🤣.

Talking about Napoleon. First, the major setback for Napoleon was the harsh winter condition and diseases that killed many of his men. Secondly, you can't compare Nazi military power of ww2 to Napoleon's France military might. You are indirectly comparing warfare in the 1800s to warfare fought more than 100 years after Napoleon's invasion of USSR (ww2)? How na? The Germans had already discovered nuclear fission prior to invasion of USSR and were already exploring making atomic bombs. That USSR were able to fight off Napoleon's France (when warfare was fought with crude weapons on the backs of horses) doesn't mean they could have been able to fight off Nazi Germany (when warfare had advanced to the use of fighter jets and bombers) without the help of the US.


Don't let hatred blind you. Calm down and read the words of USSR leaders that experienced the war.

Krismas:
1. U don't have to misinterprete formal soviet leaders.
Russia bought the military equipment from America for the war. Its that simple.
2. In Lease, u can return equipment that is operational after the war. Russia returned alot and paid for the damaged ones.
The lease helped Russia. Am not gonna lie.
But i don't think Russia would have been destroyed without it. I think the lease helped only 50%

I am not misinterpreting former Soviet leaders. It is you that is shocked that former Soviet leaders admitted that they would have lost the war if not for the help of the US. That is what they said. It is an open information.

Let me repeat; the USSR would have been defeated and the country taken over by Nazi Germany if not for the help of the US. Former Soviet leaders admitted this, but you, in one corner of Nigeria is finding it hard to believe.

And the USSR paid far less than what the US spent in supporting USSR during ww2. The facts are there. If I start bringing them to you, you will deny them as "relying on google".

Well, the bottom line is that if not for the US, there wouldn't be nothing like Russia today.

Krismas:
Ur problem be say, u no sabi use google.
Do u even know what land lease is?
Russia got NOTHING free from America. They paid for all the supplies.
Russia rejected many claims America made about the debt.
They eventually paid the reconciled amount. And it was not small.

Your problem is that you use your head to explain what even Russian experts have agreed to because of your inborn hatred for the US. If you want to back up any of your spurious claims, it is still the Google you will go to. Google has information from many sources. Source your information from Russian sources on google and see if it contradicts what i am posting here. Or you were alive when ww2 was fought and all the information about that war was told to you by the US, Russia, Germany, Japan? 😅😅. How did you know Russia got NOTHING free from the US? What's the source of your information?

Let's establish some facts;

1. Without US help, Hilter's Nazi Germany would have ran over USSR and take over the country. Stalin and other former Russia leaders agreed to this (except you are more knowledgeable about this issue than these people). I posted their quotes from Google. Do you have an issue with these former USSR leaders saying the truth or Google is your problem?

2. Let me educate you a little about the lend lease program. It was an act of parliament. It is similar to the one passed for Ukraine after Russia invaded Ukraine. USSR wasn't the only beneficiary. UK, France, Canada etc. USSR received more than 10 billion dollars of military aid. USSR couldn't pay for all the aid. They even had to export ore, managase, gold etc to the US to help them offset some of the bills. But in summary, what the USSR paid back to the US is far smaller than what the US sent to the USSR during Ww2.

If not for the US, Russia wouldn't have been a country today. 😅