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obadiah777: HEHE BROS I GOT MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE IF YOU CAN HANDLE IT

seyibrown: ..subscribing

frosbel: hmmmm, that was his homily a day after his election, you carry on misrepresenting my post 'ol Pal.

Besides , he can call the name of Jesus from now till eternity , it does not negate the falseness of the Roman Catholic Church , which is steeped into Paganism , using the name of Jesus once in a while to camouflage their fakeries , while directing the Majority of their prayers to the Queen of heaven aka Madonna.

Who is deceiving who Pal.

Many charlatan preachers scream Jesus from the pulpits every Sunday , but it does not stop them from fleecing and oppressing the poor through tithes and offerings.

Goshen360: Hey, whatz up bro. ^^^ Call me NOW if you can......on xxxxxx4966. You gat it? Home alone

newdeal: 'Th­eir tripartite state'=Spirit soul and body

InesQor: @amdatam:

Okay thanks for the spoiler alert. Hmmm not sure I'm interested in seeing it though.

InesQor: @striktlymi Sure, no problems!

@Ihedinobi: Thanks for joining! Indeed, everything is connected to everything and only God who knows all, knows how our actions and inactions can affect other things.

@amdatam: Maybe it could help if you give us a hint what the videos are about.

Uyi Iredia: The problem I find here is that your post ignores the problem of natural evil. It is instead shifting the focus to evil caused due to human shortcomings eg poor distribution of goods and services, lying etc. Diseases, famine, tornadoes and typhoons won't disappear if there was no indifference. These are evils that are whether you admit it or not are the creation of God. The presence of evil is of serious concern if God is said to be all-good and loving. In light of all I've said I opine Jesus did not answer the question of evil. He beat around it.

Loveaflame: THE POWER OF VIRGINITY:Virgin­s' are pure spiritual energy.Their blood are sacred.It has not been contaminated by the male life energy-sperm.Th­eir tripartite state is still awesome.

Ihedinobi: Lol

Logicboy03:

Good....good.

I am so happy for you! Just keep on reading and finding out the truth for yourself.

Now, a christian will pile bible quotes and christian books for you to read if the case were the other way around,
but for me, the truth is there for everyone to find

keep on searchin, my good man.

However, admit that you were shaken from that time last year when i called you a psychopath for your christian morality seeing nothing wrong with the horrors of the old testamnet

Logicboy03: Aren't you even gonna try to talk some sense into your christian bro?

Uyi Iredia: Hold on a minute ! I have not said I'm an atheist. I'm in a questioning state while nominally remaining a Christian.

That said I think the book 'Common Sense' by Jean Meslier did the trick.

His short simple points made me reconsider my beliefs.

frosbel: hmm, I hope you are joking bro, if not be careful ooo.

Humility is good

Hilaskee: Can anyone tell me why the forbidden fruit and the unwanted things are the most attractive, sweet and the most sought out for?
Does it mean that evil now prevails over good? Thanks

InesQor: @amdatam

My apologies. But calm your nerves, we're not the same. I've never met him sef.

I think I nitpick because
(i) the world is not usually in black and white, [insert lawyer joke here ]
(ii) and one size generally does not fit all

Two things most people always seem to forget. Especially in religious discussions.

obadiah777: WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF WW3 ALSO KNOWN AS THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON IN THE VALLEY OF JEHOSHAPHAT. YOU CAN SEE ALL THE SIDES POSITIONING AROUND THE MIDDLE EAST. THE MAJOR PLAYERS RUSSIA CHINA IRAN USA NORTH-KOREA ARE ALL TESTING THEIR NUKES AND JAWING AT EACH OTHER. THIS IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN. THIS IS THE LAST TRUMPET BLOWN OUT FOR THE MEEK OF THE EARTH. RETURN TO THE STRONGHOLD. RETURN TO THE COMFORTER. RETURN TO THE HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH IS THE BIBLE. SCRIPTURE SAYS BLESSED IS HE WHO READS AND STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. RETURN TO THE BIBLE AND TAKE HEED TO THE COMMANDS THEREIN. GET A KJV BIBLE AND START READING. TAKE HEED OR GET CAUGHT UP IN THERMONUCLEAR FIRE. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

TV01: You are welcome. However, "I did not make an attempt", I fully answered the question. I cannot be held responsible for your failure to comprehend.

Apologies are not necessary. I like to keep the discussion about principles, not persons.

I was merely trying to forestall that happening. The integrity of my posts and my position preclude my being "put on the spot" in this instance.

The response was clear complete and direct. I'll break it down into bite-sized chunks to aid digestion;

I first made it clear that my response would not hinge on kinship.

I then went on to outline my two possible responses which would be based on Christian belief - or not as it were.

Hope the above was easily understood. Happy to break it down further if it helps.

I then posed two questions of my own, which you point blank ignored. Even though I was happy to take simple yes/no answers?

Happy to explore and discuss freely and be enlightened by anyone at anytime.

So, no halo, not H-T-T, not S-R, not S-I. Just happy to state my position without imposing it on others.

I am unequivocal about naming sin as sin. And I am not intimidated by those with opposing views no matter how condescending or arsey - excuse the pun - they happen to be.

truthislight: this is nothing less than an abused of this prophesy

That was God telling the future and not that he was the slave master.

Yahweh wanted to create a nation different from all the nations existing then.

This ^ so that yahweh will form an entirely new nation, a nation unadultrated by pegan worship of the surrounding nations.

The nation of Israel had a fresh start when it was closed to the time of sending the massaiah.

What is wrong in yahweh telling the future?

Did you read there that he commanded the egyptians to enslave the jews?

So, all the nations on planet earth that ever carried out slavery were instructed by yahweh to do so right?

Yes, he sent the nation of Israel to multiply in a foreign land so that he can give them a spontaneous start and so what?

Do you want us to start listing all things that yahweh foretold their occurrence here now? That he foretold it, does it means he is the one who instructed that they be enslave right?

Well, that was a prophesy, twist it as you like, but i know he also said this in that same Genesis chapter 15:

"And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance." (Genesis 15:14).
...................

Maybe, yahweh was judging his own action and instructions.

You only saw verses 13. Ah!, it is 13 that will serve your ulterion motive.

Smh for you.

amdatam: Recall God warned Abraham in advance of the slavery . . .

Why allow or permit the Israelites enslaving? Hmm.

SMH, God, hallowed be thy name, doesn't cease to amaze me. He is full of surprises, techniques and works in mysterious ways

Then the LORD said to him,
"Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own,
and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years".
- Genesis 15:13

"Christians" perpetrated the trans Atlantic slave trade or django unchained and dug in heels to perpetuate a highly unpleasant or distasteful trade.

"Christians" justified the practice based on bible and strongly resisted, fought with sweat and/or blood, fiercely opposing the move of other Christians (i.e. the abolitionists) to discontinue the discrimination and cruel practice.

debosky: You do not have to go back to the 'simplicity' of the apostles - as long as the souls have a relationship with Christ, the 'structure' is of secondary importance.

Even if you don't like the structure, what type of Christians are being produced? That is the ultimate test.

debosky: Maybe your comprehension skills are deficient - lambasting of structures means simply that - it's focused on structures.

Reminding of individual responsibilities is a separate matter.

debosky:
It shouldn't beggar belief - the central focus of Christianity is on the salvation of the soul and not on disagreements structures which, in many (but not all) cases is a matter of taste/personal preference.

My reference to Annanias and Sapphira was to further reinforce that point - individual greed does not need a specific structure to manifest.

Do you now claim to be a mind reader? The point is very simple - it was a response to a specific post and can be summarised thus: do not condemn individuals you know nothing about as merely 'occupying pews' simply because you don't like the 'structure' under which they fellowship together.

It's not naive in the least - 'lambasting' structures achieves nothing if individuals aren't reminded of their personal responsibility. No one will get to heaven and be excused on the basis of 'xyz led you to damnation'. Especially, since all you can do is 'lambast' - you don't have any power to stop those 'structures' you dislike from existing.

If you think it naive then, again, you are entitled to your opinion.

Call it muzzling, call it deflating, call it whatsoever you wish - it remains the simple truth. Besides, I didn't realise that you were appointed to policing duties on this thread? If the OP didn't want any posts other than echoing his, he should've said so. He is free to reinforce his warning with fire and brimstone if he so chooses.

You can suppose as you wish since I never made that assertion. Again, the inconvenient fact is, the more the sheep take responsibility for their own 'basic' enlightenment, the less susceptible they are to questionable examples.

I haven't sidelined the topic - I have simply offered my perspective, which you are free to ignore.

If you want a monologue or want to hear only your own voice, go and open a thread in the diary section.

Brother.

TV01: @amdatam

I have no problems answering your question and indeed, I will do so hereafter.

However my response should come as no surprise, as I have always been – and will happily recant where I have not – consistent in my worldview and approach.

I’m pretty sure that those that are familiar with my views/posting history would be able to give a fair approximation of my response here. I didn’t want this to get personal.

I'd rather we focus on the scriptural narrative and a considered response to situations.

If anyone I know or is related to me comes out “as gay”, my response would be as if they were a complete stranger – i.e., the same.

For those that do not believe, I would not seek to impose my worldview on them. I shall continue to love and care for them as before, which affection was never based on sexual practice, but on kinship. Am I a hypocrite?

Is fornication, adultery and the like unknown amongst my kindred? What of those things I am not even aware of?

For those that do, I would point out that my reading of scripture demands abstinence from secs outside the marital relationship, which is between 1 man and 1 woman. Again, no forced imposition of my views and if they wanted us to discuss, study and pray about the issue, I would willingly do so.

Now let me ask you a few questions, which I trust you will afford me like consideration and respond to. Simple yes/no answers will suffice;

Would you be happy for a son of yours to live a homosexual lifestyle? Even in the type of relationship the site you referenced (yes I visited and yes I read some articles) terms “monogamous non-cultic permanent unions”.

Knowing the physical pathologies and psychological damage that will almost certainly result to some degree? Either forego having children, or have children that were not biologically his or his partners. And in any event not have the children’ natural mother play her rightful role in raising them.

Secondly, would you insist that the bible narrative suggests such unions are acceptable, blessed, equivalent to male/female unions and should be promulgated as such in church and in the wider society, with enforcement by legislative decree if required?

Happy to discuss anything from the site referenced or any other related issue.

Best
TV

TV01: The OP was a ruse. It was posted in an attempt to marry - excuse the pun- the biblical narrative regards slavery and homosexual practice and suggest that as slavery had ultimately been discontinued, the prohibitions against homosexual acts should likewise be considered outdated.

Even as the OP' premise was doomed to fail, it was actually designed to plant the seed of doubt and and raise questions, ultimately making people more receptive to and moving further along the path of acceptance of homosexual acts. Fail!

This was an obvious false dialectic, so I chose not to take the bait.

It would have been infinitely more honest to parallel it with other prohibited sex acts such as incest or bestiality and see if parallels could be drawn there. Slavery was a man made condition from which the bible immediately gave succour and ultimately eradicated. As noted it was nothing like, nor did it justify the trans Atlantic slave trade.

People are happy to piggy back off, and at once belittle the historical suffering of Afro-Americans, in both slavery and the fight for civil rights, in order to push this abominable behaviour. Doubly repugnant

Strangely enough it is the AA that is suffering most from sexual licentiousness and the erosion of the moral fabric in society. It's estimated that 60% of pregnancies (for AA'in New York city) are aborted. 60% of kids are born out of wedlock and more than 1 in two marriages end in divorce - do the math. If such trends persist, soon there will be very few AA families and little or no AA community - not substantively anyway.

God have mercy on us all
TV