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Bidam: God did not call ministry to be kings but to perfect the saints..

but the way frosbel is going about rubbishing the five fold ministry is absolutely wrong and demonic..
does he mean to tell us that ephesians 4.8, 11-13. shouldn't apply to the church anymore..
what exactly is your gospel frosbel? every messenger has a message..
what revelation did JESUS gave you to preach? is it about crictisizing and discrediting His church or what?
ministry is all about alignment, order, purpose, multiplicity of giftings TILL THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE GLORY OF THE LORD TAKES OVER THE EARTH AS THE WATERS COVERS THE SEA.
We should all take heed becos in the process of finding faults and discrediting the church without any corresponding action taken to find a way out of it..
we are also guilty of same.

frosbel is not going about rubbishing the five fold ministry. He is absolutely not wrong and demonic

What exactly is frosbel's gospel as every messenger has a message?

Well, frosbel's gospel, simply, is the bath water and soap is soiled and the babies are bathed with dirt water

His simple message is change the soap, clean up the bath water, so we can have a clean babies

Does Ephesians 4:13, say apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers should singly or connivingly fleece the sheep?

It is a travesty and dumbfounding reading sheeples kick against the message

alexleo: @amdatam,
i dont understand your confusion here. Do i need to repeat a point when someone has already made same point? Isnt it better you just quote the point and endorse it than repeating it in your own words? Structure or no structure, the main thing is for souls to be saved into the kingdom of God. I don't swallow trash in the name of teaching/sermon.

Shouting THANKS A LOT from the roof top laid you open to ridicule.

Souls are not saved into the kingdom of God but are corralled into eternal damnation in structures such as these

Thank God you "don't swallow trash in the name of teaching/sermon"

debosky: I've given my opinion - dunno why you're prefacing with no discourtesy or no offence . . . .you're free to hold yours.

Pastors will give account no doubt, however the primary accountability is of the individual, and that is where the primary (not sole) focus should remain.

I neither endorsed any structure, neither did I castigate another - my simple point is that structures/movements do not save.

The comment I responded to was specifically to counter the notion that simply because you find fault with a particular structure means the people therein are just numbers filling the pew. The Lord knows his own.

Welcome to the world of preemptives. The encounter, surely, isn't a first for you

If it is, then get used to it, as it might turn to be a natural part of response(s) to your post(s). Brother.

The post was about pastors, the dishonest scheme and fraud structure they build

Why the need to deviate focus and attention from the abnormality to "Annanias and Sapphira" is beggars belief.

What was the point of the so called "the simple point"? To throw a spanner in the works? Huh?

Your "simple point that structures/movements do not save" is naive because

when or if the structure is not checked or lambasted, it takes the sheeple and leads them in their droves to eternal damnation

The warnings ought to be echoed and not douched with water or muzzling others with deflating "the primary accountability is of the individual" counter posts

I suppose, leading by example must have gone right out of fashion, so the sheep is to fend and feed for itself

Artful dodging isn't meant for you, "Christianity remains an individual relationship with God - if individuals fail to do so, it's quite silly to blame the structure for that".

Who built up structure (i.e. corporate church structure) who is responsible for the dire straits and state of the structure?

I'll tell who. Vultures!

and that exactly is what the post is revealing and was about and not self-opinions sidelining the topic

debosky: You do not have to go back to the 'simplicity' of the apostles - as long as the souls have a relationship with Christ, the 'structure' is of secondary importance.

Even if you don't like the structure, what type of Christians are being produced? That is the ultimate test.

debosky: The structures have not caused that, unless you also want to accuse the movement structure of the early church of causing Annanias and Sapphira's greed.

Christianity remains an individual relationship with God - if individuals fail to do so, it's quite silly to blame the structure for that.

I don't dispute that the institution can have an effect, but we cannot ignore the primary responsibility of the believer.

alexleo: THANKS A LOT.

"THANKS A LOT" but no thanks

Doesn't staying quiet mean anything? It'll be better instead of drivel - No discourtesy meant

What is with the need to post, hmm? Is it for the sake of an opinionated prize? Hmm? - No offense meant.

"The movement structure of the early church" nipped the Annanias and Sapphira's greed in the bud before it turned into the I am too damn greedy head honcho monsters we have now

What we have now, is a turn around the axis and a swivel from the bottom to the top, the structure now has the greed emanating and chorusing from the top down now

There is all "to go back to the 'simplicity' of the apostles" for and a lot to gain from it too, as Moses was a very humble man, more so than any man on the face of the earth.

Besides even if "Christianity remains an individual relationship with God" the structures and their big shots should be mindful and become remorseful of wrongdoings before it is too late

since they, the pastors et al are responsible and mandated to watch over souls placed in their care and shall give account of every one of the souls to God.

The structure, the institution and the beneficiaries are better off, carefully paying attention to the warnings and taking notice of the castigation

instead of carrying on business-as-usual, plying the road path of eternal damnation and taking the sheeple, in droves, along with them for sake of a "fistful of dollars" and filthy lucre

There is no sacred cow. Call a spade a spade where and when need be

and let's no one be intimated from speaking honestly and directly about any topic, especially or specifically topics that others may avoid speaking.

Numbers 12:3; Hebrews 13:17

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Kay 17: From a literal reading of the Bible, Slavery was approved, should we conclude the same for homosexuality??

Yea Love is always being preached in the Bible, yet is Love possible side to side with Slavery??

JeSoul: To ensure we are actually talking about the same concept, I need to understand what/how you define love sir Kay.

We are all familiar with Paul, Philemon & Onesimus and the slave-master relationship in a christian context.

There was a plea for love & compassion in the context of 'slavery' - is this what you're asking?

@Kay 17

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JeSoul

truthislight

This question "What you'll do, if your sibling, kid (i.e. child(ren)) etc is gay, turned out gay or comes out gay" ashamedly went unanswered

Let's take off the halo for a moment and step aside the holier-than-thou self righteous indignation . . .

to without prejudice or a biased mindset, go through these links, selected from the plethora of information off the main web portal to ponder and share thoughts

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Analogies.html Abraham and Sarah
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Centurion-And-Pais.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Marriage-in-the-Bible.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Define-Arsenokoites.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Malakoi.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Same-Sex-Attracted-Eunuchs.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/transgender.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Christians-Under-Law.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Law-of-Moses.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/adam-and-eve.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Sodom.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Jude.html
http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans-1.html

# By the way, the slavery brouhaha is completely different matter, which God played along with, to overcoming a problem or seemingly limitation to His vision or program

which or until it got hijacked by so-called christians who exploited, r.aped, brutalised and perverted it

# The slavery model God played along with, is not the same capitalised on and perpetuated as in or like in django unchained or what likes of the so-called christians practised

TV01: amdatam: @TV01
I have been reading you blowing off steam - no offense meant

@^^And none taken

amdatam: @TV01
and none the wiser, your attitude or stance towards homosexuality as such

@^^Please read again, believe I have been clear. Or at least advise on which specific point you'd like me to clarify.

amdatam: @TV01
God, please, spare us a burden we are unable to carry or handle . . .

@^^A resounding Amen to that.

amdatam: @TV01
God forbid, but whatcha gonna do, if you have a sibling, kid etc that is gay, turns out gay or comes out gay?

@^^God forbid indeed
I can only trust God, pray and raise my children as best I can - in His nurture.
I want Gods will for them and that is not His will.
May He also have mercy on me and mine
- and may we not fall foul of His wrath for not glorifying Him or the deception He sends for believing the lie
- but receive the love of the Truth, so as to be saved.

amdatam: @TV01
Your reply can be liberating. Thank you in advance.

@^^True liberty is in Christ, who frees us from sin and asks us not to become slaves of men. But I hope this helps.

God bless
TV

@TV

Fending off; an example among many in the art of politicking.

Since you didn't answer, exactly what you'll do, if your sibling, kid (i.e. child(ren)) etc is gay, turned out gay or comes out gay, I remain watching this space (i.e. jokingly, this space is not for sale )

@TV01

I have been reading you blowing off steam - no offense meant

and none the wiser, your attitude or stance towards homosexuality as such

God, please, spare us a burden we are unable to carry or handle . . .

God forbid, but whatcha gonna do, if you have a sibling, kid etc that is gay, turns out gay or comes out gay?

Your reply can be liberating. Thank you in advance.

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# inspiredbyGOD, keep the faith. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. Conquer and defeat the thief thoroughly.

Joagbaje: Tattooing is a very painful thing to undergo. It's crazy. Well so long as he doesn't attach any spiritual significance to it.

It's his body and he has right to decorate it any way he choses .

@Joagbaje
obadiah777

Even though he has the right to decorate it any way he chooses, it is not his body

He is a custodian of that body, and will give a full and detail account to the owner how the body was used, misused, amused and abused

obadiah777, Joagbaje is right. God is not a fussy old fogey dishing out laws willy nilly or at whim for no genuine or concerned reason

There was a prevailing practice, all for the wrong purpose in the promised land that God didn't want the "wet behind the ears" Israelites to embrace or partake in

Someone may say "Everything is allowable", but we also know not everything is profitable.

Everything is allowable, yet everything does not necessarily build others up or encourage growth

nonetheless, tattoo or graffiti, is permissible on church and church buildings, where it is tasteful (i.e. having, displaying or done in accordance with good taste) and is profitable

Medieval and roman churches had graffiti, writings, frescoes etc on them

https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66081000/jpg/_66081065_p1060239e.jpg
^{The church dome painted by graffiti artists}

"As Pope Benedict XVI has said, art should attract the faithful."

In a bar just around the corner a group of non-church-going men are enjoying beers after work.

They've never seen the dome, but are impressed by photos.

Then a man at the far end of the bar speaks up.

"I've seen it," he says. "I saw it in the newspaper, and went to check it out. It's beautiful."

"You guys ought to set your drinks down for once and go on over," he yells to the others.
"It wouldn't hurt you to spend a little time in the house of God.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21529832

frosbel: I always believe in giving to those in dire need directly , and probably through collections in church for a similar purpose.

By default my position after so many years in the 'church' that man built , is to never agree to anything that has a compulsion to it as a matter of life or death.

God is a loving GOD and he appreciates £1 from the heart more than £1000 from a grudging heart or a heart made to pay because it is compulsory or worse still , because we want him to double our money.

@frosbel

It is exhilarating reading John 4:24 embraced

and it is true the old law was a stepping stone, a means to an end, as it were and not an end in itself

Also, fact of the matter is, we have different capabilities and so the £1 or £1000 denomination money in your post has more to it

Someone turning £1 over, 1000 times gets £1000

Another turning £1000 over, 1 time, gets £1000

Now except for the FREQUENCY, that another £1000 giving, 1 time is no different to someone's £1s giving, 1000 times

frosbel: " You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." - Galatians 5:4

HumbledbYGrace: On the brighter side of life....let's not mix tithing and offerings please.

@ Frosbel that's very thoughtful of you, I have a sister who taught me just that, she would just give any given day. If we are to give can we not make it only on sundays?

alexleo: Frosbel get thee behind me with your NONSENSE teachings about tithe.

@Frosbel,
HumbledbYGrace,
alexleo

But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power.
Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.
- Romans 7:6 NLT


If the Wright brothers stuck to the old way of obeying the letter of the law of gravity and not taking advantage of a better and higher law, we would still be grounded

We would not be, as now enjoying the release from that law, enjoying the benefits and be air bound

hane: Let hear your opinion

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@hane

Is Beyonce Really Possessed?

Are you taking the piss or just messing about with that question?

Do you know who Sasha Fierce is?

Are you yet, to hear Beyonce talking about or of Sasha Fierce?

Even Mr Carter, her husband on record and also in your video post admits with this quote "I get possessed by the spirits ..."

Beyonce, RiRi, Jayz, Chris Brown, Lady Gaga, Madonna, Goldie RIP et al personalities are/were taken over by principalities

The fact is, to operate and influence events on Earth, the human body is required, and the/these principalities are LEGALLY exercising this protocol.

God allows or permits personalities to be taken over or possessed by whichever spirit they consciously or unconsciously surrender and/or succumb to

There is a distinction between the Spirit that intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words

and this other spirit, which cavorts with gruntings to ensnare the worldly

Unsurprisingly, this is a pandemic experience of this evil generation.

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1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:for they are foolishness unto him:neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Patronising

- Treating with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority

and speaking to or behaving towards someone as if they are stupid or not important.