Yale9:
imagine what you will. I do not know what not to imagine of a christian.. but I only know I expect a christian to consume any substance if at all, with moderation..

And that's the crux of it - "if at all". Op is calling it a sin to deter people doing it because too much bad comes from it

hisgrace090:



We must do it in batches that's one after another.

See 1st corint 11:18-22.

How does this condone alcohol amongst devout Christians? Many of these people didn't even quite understand Christianity yet.

1 Corinthians 11:18-22 New International Version (NIV)

18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? Certainly not in this matter!

hisgrace090:


I will always be in support of moderate drinking as supported by the bible disregarding those whose duty is to rewrite it.

Support whatever u wish. Just realize that "moderate" is relative. Many people are incapable of moderate as you define it. What is moderate for u may not be moderate for them. Just accept that u r all equally sinners only redeemable through Grace.

mrAMG:


Really?

Yes. I also don't think that's the reason. So, for example, if tomorrow the naira or rand overtakes the dollar, Naira will be called hard currency? I don't think so.
Can someone please tell us the real reason why the dollar is called hard currency

hisgrace090:


Who am I to question God?

U r not questioning God. U r questioning yourself.
Just as u question yourself as to why u do some stupid stuff u do.

hisgrace090:



So you accepted what is sin on a solemn occasion?

Today we must get to the root of it or we continue.

U ignored the request to provide us your proof.
There is also alcohol in many medications. Stop playing dumb.

hisgrace090:



Who are you to correct God?

Who are you to condemn slavery or work on Saturdays?

hisgrace090:


All the bible passages on moderate drinking is judging you already, repent now.

Have u ever sat yourself down and asked yourself why you find it necessary to indulge in alcohol?

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mrAMG:


True, another major factor is because they are widely accepted trading options around the world, the US dollar can be spent anywhere in the world and some traders prefer that when doing business than the local currency of wherever their business might be located.

Also, hard currencies are readily available for forex, eg our popular mallam change ya dola

But why the adjective "hard". How come we don't have hard vehicles (rolls royce, etc), hard banks, hard smart phones, hard shoes, etc. "Strong" would make more sense.

hisgrace090:



Early christians do take the holy communion with alchogolic.

Any one against that is a hypocsrise.

What proof do u have of that? Besides it is a solemn occasion. U know fully well that is not the drinking we r talking about.

Yale9:
what if they do? Who are you to assert what is wrong to ones soul, decide for yourself as you create man-made sins to cage yourself...

But they wont.

Picture a gathering of seriously devout Christians. Can u imagine them spending their time imbibing liquor or smoking pot? There is a compass inside that tells them to avoid certain things. Most human beings are not equipped with the will power to drink without getting tipsy - that's why people drink!

hisgrace090:



After the amendment by Christ came what we now call new testament bible.

But Christ left most of the laws untouched yet we r not following them. We are following our inner compass as to what is important and what is right.

hisgrace090:


Likewise saying that God who preaches moderate drinking is a sinner too?

Think of any gathering of devout Christians. Can u imagine them sending their time imbibing liquor. There is a compass inside that tells them to avoid certain things. Most human beings are not equipped with the will power to drink without getting tipsy - that's why people drink!

hisgrace090:



May God who preaches moderate drinking judge I and you.

It is only you He will judge for being deceptive and obfuscative. Why should a devout Christian need to drink alcohol? Simply accept u r a sinner dependent on God's grace for any hope of redemption because that's what u r. Stop looking for loopholes.

hisgrace090:




Today we take the new testament as it is because Jesus have done all the amendment the old testament deserve. All the support given to alchogolic were almost done by the new testament written by people who knows the old law.

There are a lot of OT we r not following yet Christ never commented on them. Christ never condemned slavery yet common sense tells us it is wrong

thesicilian:

Why should a Christian not drink alcohol? It is good for the body, even many foods we eat are converted to alcohol in the body.
The major issue is use and abuse, just like every other thing.
And another point to note is that the fact that something is bad does not make it a sin.

Because people drink alcohol to get high. Why should a Christian need to get high?

So Christians should also smoke Marijuana because of it's many health benefits

thesicilian:

But the fact is, it is not a sin. No where does the Bible say alcohol is a sin.

It does say that drinking to get high is a sin

hisgrace090:


Now I know whoi is talking, so there're new testament scripture you rejected?

There was no New Testament in Christ's time. He rejected parts of the scriptures because they were against common sense.

hisgrace090:



So this is why you condmn alcoholic supported by God as evil?

I never said alcohol is evil. I'm only saying we are all sinners. Wanting to get high is a sin. And people drink alcohol to get high. Drink alcohol but same time accept u r a sinner.

hisgrace090:





pls don't force your believe on the bible allow it as God made it.

I'm not forcing anything. Just stop pretending u r not drinking alcohol to get high, and look down on those that drink more than u. U r all sinners

mrAMG:



Keyword being sometimes, infact rarely. Even if they do, they bounce back in na time

So do many other currencies, like the Israeli shekel and many others including some African currencies. No that can't be the reason.
There are currencies more stable than the USD, yet nobody calls them hard cutrency.

hisgrace090:


Another evil move turning some bible passage as an obscure part.

Don't fight against God to avoid regrate.

U r the one fighting against God by being deceptive. There are obviously parts of the bible that are outliers - eg support for slavery.

Babyforever:
That's what you are

But u r the one making mumu-ish statements

hisgrace090:


Moving against the scripture as you're doing noe is the greatest sin.
Read ephicians 5:18 it says do not take wine were in in excess and your man made version says tourch no wine at all.

There are obviously parts of the scriptures we don't follow. Even Christ did same. Nitpicking the scriptures for loopholes is the greater sin.
Just admit u r a sinner.

hisgrace090:


If I will not be in obedience to all bible command I will renounce my membership as a Christ fellower.

Read Deutronomy. U r not obeying even up to 1% of the commandments there. Which makes u a hypocrite. Which is why Christ had to die - that is the only way u r remotely redeemable.

hisgrace090:


So you your believe is that anyone that takes alcoholic must get drunk?

Remember the bible teaches moderate drinking which you're against. Ephicians 5:18 says take no alchogole werin in excess and you said no one will dare try that god of man.

PEOPLE DRINK ALCOHOL TO GET HIGH.
A totally devout Xtian has absolutely no need to get high.
There are a ton of non-alcoholic drinks