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Babacele:
complicated? how and why?

Yea Babacele, it's complicated seeing that the reason why maternity leave came into being in the first place is so that women who have just had babies can take some time off work to rest and heal completely before going back to work.

Men have argued that they need paternity leave so as to take care of their wives and new born child but we know that here in Nigeria, when a woman gives birth, her mother or her husband's mother comes to take care of the new born and momma so the husband has no excuse to give. A lot of times, men have been seen to play games or hang out with friends rather than sit at home to help their wives. So you se why I say it's complicated . Men don't need to stay home since they have weekends to bond with their child.

JoeCutie:
Okay, maybe we are too fast. Maybe we should take this slowly, point by point.

The first point.
What do you think should be done about the change in the growth rate of children of today?

Good morning.

Phew! I'm sorry Joe, Yesterday wasn't one of those days where I get to hang out with my friends here.
But I'm here now for you my friend

Let's take it slowly. Point by point.
What should be done about the change in children's growth rate with emphasis on the girl child... well, nothing. And I'll tell you why.
I love the way kids grow these days except of course for obese children, otherwise it's fine to see them grow healthily. Research has shown that nutrition is a one of the causes of this change and more and more children are well fed. This should be a celebrated news right? But the problem is just like the rapid growth they are experiencing, so is puberty rushing to catch up with them.

Therefore to your question regarding what should be done to slow down growth rate, I don't know. It's like asking me to say children shouldn't be well fed and should be malnourished which is not advisable.

Adesiji77:
I fully subscribe to it

2 days in a month is not too much to sacrifice for the female folk. Like a poster observed, advances in technology have made it possible to work from outside the office location.

Many of us are "mobile offices"...There are days that even me that I am a man feel like working from home since I can access some office-related applications on my PC and mobile devices

You have no idea as to how glad you have made me . Period policy can work in Nigeria and it isn't too much to ask for. The speed at which things are going now in the world, we need to see into the future and plan ahead.

I listened to one report on radio about the current age puberty sets in for girls who were born from the year 2000 to date. Research shows a connection between the food children are fed with and hormonal sth sth.

My friend told me about her grandmother who got married at the age of 13 when she hadn't had menarche (her first period).

JoeCutie:
First off, thanks for thanking me.

About the younger girls being given the privilege...
Well, it's not intrinsically bad, but it's still bad in a way. Okay, maybe I shouldn't say it's bad, but I don't think it's most ideal. Anything that isn't done in general always brings about division and unnecessary trouble. Have you seen the problem this issue of Muslim girls putting on hijab to school, is causing in this country? It's because it's been taken up by one set of people. Since it's not general, it's always going to bring tension.

Why not consider this other option...
Let teachers - female teachers - always take care of these girls, look after them in school whenever they are on. There should be a way they do it such that any girl that's on her period, tells her teacher on time so that she always gets ready to permit the said student and or assist her whenever there's need for her to use the toilet. In fact, I don't know, but they should explore other options that do not involve students skipping school. There's serious need for uniformity in schools. If they are given that privilege, they'll misuse it. Believe me. At the end, the students would still be the ones to suffer the consequences.

And what about those whose period come twice a month? I'm sure you know about that (rare) possibly. What do they do? You know, in life, we don't always get whatever we want. Girls that are old enough to experience monthly period should be sensitized on how to take good care of themselves. They should be equipped with whatever tools needed in seeing that they successfully do this.

Amicable, I hope you know that the women are unnecessarily asking for too much privileges these days?

Lolz. Why did you end with this question Joe? . It's very funny. We aren't asking for too much privileges, I just don't know why men are not at the forefront making these demands for us.

This period thing actually worries me in a very different way that I can't explain very well. When I look at the trend now and how girls mature too fast I fear for the future of these little girls starting out too early.

I was in secondary school already and very knowledgeable about menstruation before I got my first visitor from Venus. I was well prepared. Always had done series of sensitization in my school and even gave every girl one free sanitary pad every time they came.

Today, children grow too quickly. Girls in primary school have puberty knocking. Little fat girls are not spared and before you know what, the little child whose butt you wiped is crying because of abdominal cramps and asking you for sanitary pad. It is just too much to bear.

Back in the olden days, ladies started seeing their period at the age of 15-16 but now a girl of 10 is caught in the web too too early.

Oh no! Joecutie, you have completely wiped out the little hope I'm nursing of having this thing work in Nigeria. I think our major problem will be having women overdo this thing and end up abusing the privilege if granted. Let's leave adult women for a sec and consider young girls in secondary school. Some now start from Primary school sef , how about having them in the plan and leaving out adults? These younger ones need this protection I kind of imagine.

Nice contribution up there by the way. Thanks for contributing.

samhay:
@bolded, if our hardworking mothers can cultivate and do other strenuous activities when there was no technology, why should we declare 'stay at home' now?

21st century syndrome?

And I blv our mothers felt this pain and still go about their daily activities without anyone knowing, why is it different now?

You won't want your sister complaining of excruciating pain and still carrying her bag to school because attendance will be taken in school and being absent will cost her a lot like not writing exams if she's failed to meet the 75% attendance demand, right?

That's the difference.

samhay:
But I also heard sometimes ago that those women that work on palm nuts to extract palm oil,heard as soon as they enter that small pit to grind dose nuts,nothing can make dem come out except they are Tru....

Also heard of women giving birth in the farm and it doesn't affect them from going to farm, has anything changed between then and now?

Some things have truly.Things have changed. Businesswomen till today still go around their normal business until the time of birth.

This policy being introduced if it sees the light of the day is not for women to embark on a complete bed rest. Far from it! Women can still move around but not under pressure to deliver results or anything. They work from home at their own pace and stuff like that.
That's what I mean.

Babacele:
I shall advocate for paternity leave too to enable us help our spouses. abi wetin you think?

Lol. Men are welcome to help their spouses but you know granting a man paternity leave is somewhat complicated.

karleone:
Hehehehehehehehehehe... I've been around, my dear. Psychological stress is not letting me. I try as much as possible to read up so I don't accumulate reads. I've been following your posts sha. Good topic you've got.

I can understand the stress. I'll catch up with you on that off here.
Thanks for the compliment.

DatechMan:
No mistakes. 6 digits.

BSC holder with PMP experience.

Meanwhile if it's an interview. The business premise should give an idea.
Vanillaskin don't worry. They won't ask you that question.

Oh well, that's cool.

Been a while since I last set my e-eyes on you.
What's up?
Been looking to see 'God Bless Nigeria' as your closing line but you left with that too.

It's great to see you again.

karleone:
I don't need you to complete the "de-ba-" . The presence of "a" makes the sentence complete.

Lol. Hi Karl, where have you been?
OMG! You're smart!
How did you put me in that corner?
I take out the 'a'

bibijay123:
Loool.....how do we fight for dis movement?

Lol. I don't know yet. Maybe first we need to have school teachers understand that if a girl misses class or tests or even exam because of cramps she shouldn't be punished. She has the right to take her test or exam whenever she's fit.

This should be the first step.

samhay:
But come o,in the typical Afro settings, Period is something hidden,don't you think we r claiming civilization in this area by letting pple Knw?

Exactly my point!
First, it's not a social taboo.
Second, Africa in this 21st century has evolved. Back in the days, the women didn't have to go to the office and spend eight good hours away from home and worrying themselves over stain and pain but today it's different.

I don't know how it was for my grandmother and great grandmother but something tells me they stayed indoors and I've also heard that in some places the woman is not allowed to cook for her husband. That is an extreme though cos she's seen as dirty but that's not what I want. I want us to take the good part, which is stay at home but leave the bad part that discriminates against women in their periods.

Imithea:
LOL!
That's tricky because most times we're the ones tending to the 'morning hard on'.
Seriously, the menstrual leave issue is debacle, can't happen not in the west and certainly not in Africa.

Lol. I'm afraid I have no supporter in this cause
Here I am trying to break my back for my sisters and none is ready to push the wheelchair for me just in case I may need that help
I'll also say for now, it is a de- ba - ...

samhay:
Dats it my sister.

Ladies want equality, I employ u,now aside from 4weekends in a month,u wanna add extra 2 and still gt paid. What happens to the person that cover for ur absence?

Don't see it that way Sam.
The person who covered up for me will be appreciated by me. That's how it should work but if this policy is approved then there's going to be no need for any covering up, it's not going to be secret anymore, it will be a right.

joseph1832:

Hahahahahaha
I give up!

joseph1832:
How can I scam someone I ... Anyway, this was what I meant . Whatever you want to post should be inside (between) the quote boxes. Just like you make your text bold.
..I'm thinking it is something like this but something tells me this message will come out inside your post. Lol..

Well, I see no reason why anyone should let pain rule over them. Atleast menstrual pain isn't as painful as the pain one experience when giving birth, so why the fuss.

Ok, let's see if you're a good teacher.

Vanillaskin:
Thanks so much, really appreciate even though I can't afford to pay you anything.
I have an interview with them next week and want to be prepared for the almighty million naira question of "How much do you expect to be paid"

All the best in your interview and I just saw the part where you actually said the candidate is working. Therefore she has some experience.
When you're asked that question, relax and answer it well

Come back with success story.

Imithea:
We are too complex. I don't really know much about dysmenorrhoea.

But one certainity is that the brothers are going to be on our necks for this.

Yes, you're right. We're too complex and I've read a brother's argument somewhere that if the sisters are granted period leave then they should also have leave for morning erection (Lol, ok the word here is censored,I didn't mean it to be attention though) . I don't how that will work

bibijay123:
i would like to stay at home when i get my period since i wont be able to do anything productive in the office anyway bt i wouldn't want to be checked by a doctor to see if am actually on or not. my first day is all abt cramps and no flow until d second day so they might even think i was lying.

Honestly, the human body is something else.
You mean your first day is without any flow?

Twill be difficult to include you on this leave Bibi
We'll design day 2 period leave plan for you.

joseph1832:
Well it's simpe. Use this format, Whatever you want to post should be inside the dot dot dot.

Now how will you know who has this illness and who doesn't? Remember it is easy to fake an illness as a excuse for not coming to work. Still, do you think those who don't suffer from this illness will be happy seeing others go for this period leave? That's the surest way to make a business crumble because every woman will want to say they're suffering from this, as a ruse not to come to work.

So she feels comfortable at home and not at work? That's a sure sign that she's just using her illness as an excuse not to come to work.

Well to put an end to this point. Any woman who want to go on period leave shouldn't be expecting to get paid, since she's not comfortable working in the office, she shouldn't be comfortable getting paid not doing anything.

And how do we bend them to the point of relative comfort? By telling them to stay at home and forfeit classes because the visitor from Venus came visiting?.

Why do I feel like you scammed me?
There are no dots or eclipses anywhere here to type in my response. Am I supposed to create it? well, I'll figure this mystery out someway someday.

When you experience this pain I talk about, you will agree with me that a little sister needs the day off.

Imithea:
[color=#3D3C3A]It's debacle for me, totally unrealistic and somewhat unreasonable.
3-5 day menstrual leave is funny but not enough to whittle down the absurd reality.
If a woman is going to get a Menstrual leave, then she should also get the PreMenstrualTension/Syndrome(PMT/PMS)leave too. For a high number of women[including yours truly], the latter is more hormonal, full of depression and downright more uncomfortable. That should be at least 5 days till Madam Rose comes calling.

My point is if we 'do' get a menstrual leave, some people will still ask for a PMT/PMS leave and in the end women will spend 6-10 days out of the 20 days of work for something as trivial as menstruation.
Conclusion, the days of a woman are full of hormonal jiggles, deal with it or resign to 'housewifery'.[/color]

Hahahahahaha.
Don't be too hard on us , this request is debatable.
I'm pretty sure when maternal leave was first mentioned, it came with as much resistance as period leave is having now. For me personally, PMT/PMS is worse than the menstruation itself. However, I am looking at the risk factor of dysmenorrhoea. Rather than sentence us to housewifery, we can work something around it. Don't you think?

bibijay123:
I think women should be allowed to stay at home on the first day of their period because the first day is hell but some women would take advantage of it, some could even claim they see their period twice a month. If there are five women in the organization and all five of them had it on the same day or some of them claimed to, it would surely affect the organization negatively.


It's a debacle for me!

What!!!
For real Bibi?
Stay home on the first day, a welcome idea.
But other women taking advantage of it? I doubt.

Doctors can actually tell who is eligible to take on this leave and who isn't. This leave the way I see it won't affect the organization adversely. Will employers prefer employees to die at work rather than rest at home? Haven't you noticed that on the first day of a woman's period, if she stays at home, eating the right kind of food - fruits and veggies, with adequate rest, the pain is mild compared to having her out on the road and doing physical work. I personally have noticed that in motion, the flow is heavier than when the body is at rest.

DatechMan:
With these clues, I would say nothing less than 6 digits.
Depending on the importance of the role. 200k is not bad.

LOL.
Datech she didn't say she will be travelling to Canada to take up the job o
Did you make a mistake with your '0'?

Vanillaskin:
The person
* uni graduate 2:1
* hold other certification like project management
* currently working
The organization
* less than 30
* head office in Canada
* into security services

How's that for clues
Thanks in advance

Lol. Bia, you have turned me to a counselor this morning. You will pay o
I no dey do consultation for free

Ok. I get something here but I see no experience attached. It's alright! Let's work with it.
The staff strength in the organization is less than 30 or you mean the organization is less than 30 years old?
I'll go with the former.

With this candidate's profile and organization's strength, I'm guessing an office administrator in that company offering such service in a period where insecurity is high and there isn't enough money to hire security officers, s/he may earn between 50-90k. Could be more, could be less.

Vanillaskin:
You can give me a range, I just need to have an idea of the job market

Anything from minimum wage to infinity .
When you factor in your qualification, the organization's size, the industry and the scope of work to be done then you can put a figure (range to it).

Right now you gave me no clue. Offering a range will be an exercise in futility and may either crash or surpass your expectations when you hear the real deal.

But let me end by saying whatever the pay, if you've been offered sth and you have calculated transport cost and other basic things, if you've got extra 5k to save then take it up whilst looking for more.

Lol.
Seun, when you have the facts, mention me. I was going to comment on the story by Baba Adeboye but I see that's not the reason why the thread was created.

I don't know who the government official is but if Baba said he didn't pray for the man's death, why are people calling him a liar here?

Vanillaskin:
Please people what's the salary scale for a job as office administrator, thanks.

I initially put a figure then I remembered this is Nigeria where title and job responsibilities are not in sync. So I'll say, the pay will depend on the company size and the duties you'll be performing.

Ferdyboss:
Lol...Funny enough, I don't have any plans ooo. I'm sure you are a learner compared to me, when it comes to agreeing and following through with meeting people. Don't worry we shall find a common ground. When it's time, you'll get a PM .

Lol. Okay then. Keeping my fingers crossed for the ground breaking PM

joseph1832:
Being sensitive have absolutely nothing to do with anything. You make it sound as if all women experience this 'discomfort' you speak off. I know many women who don't even bat an eyelid when they're in their period, they act normal as if nothing is happening.

I've asked them if they feel any discomfort during these times and most usually tell me "they're use to it". So I no reason why this should even be an issue. Remember, a grown adult woman isn't a teenage girl.

Work from home? Like seriously? Work from home You expect someone who took 'period leave' to work from home? Perhaps women on maternity leave should start working from home also, don't you think so?.

Telling a young girl to come to school when she's experiencing menstrual cramps is doing her a favour. You're inadvertently telling and teaching her that her monthly 'weakness' shouldn't be perceived as a 'weakness' or a 'setback'. It should be seen as a means for her to overcome and master it, and not cave in to it and seek for sentiment just because God made her a woman. After all, there's a reason God decided to make her a woman, and setting at home when she's experiencing her menstrual flow isn't one of them.

Lol. First, please teach me how to reply your posts the same way you reply mine. taking it section by section .

Second, if you follow my responses to others here, I did mention that not all women will have need for this leave as it is only suited or directed to women with dysmenorrhea.

Work from home? Yes, work from home if that is possible. If she has a deadline to meet. Working from home isn't too much to ask since according to you it is merely a discomfort and not brain tumor.

Suggesting that a nursing mother work from home is so so uncalled for! She isn't at home for pleasure neither is she staying at home to watch Telemundo but she's at home for a specific assignment. Tending to her unborn/new born baby. Also, most women on maternity leave don't get full salary. Some get paid nothing at all.

To the little girl, her visitor from Venus didn't bring her weakness. I'm not saying we are going to teach them weakness, rather I'm saying rather than try stretching them to exceed breaking point, we can bend them to the point of relative comfort.

Adesiji77:
@amicable09: Interesting topic. Following

Thanks Adesiji .

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