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AgentOfAllah:
That's precisely the point! Rather than support your claims with facts from history, you chose instead, to back them up with a truck load of opinionated horseshit. This is an unsophisticated way to present an argument. You have repeated the same misguided opinions here again, and I will show you how if you bear with me.

The same horsehit you quoted from earlier and you Moslems can't stand on without? You are a serious being? Do you know what being serious means? Take the Bible away from islam and watch it collapses with nothing to stand on.

You are a very funny character. is the exile of the Jews by Titus, the settling of the Jews in the Arabian peninsular and killing of the Jews by Muhamed in the Bible?
Just say you want a Cop out.

AgentOfAllah:
It is true that the Jews were among the earliest settlers in Yathrib, and that they developed it agriculturally. What this earned them, at best, was political and economical independence, but they were certainly not in a culturally, economically or even politically dominant position. It was the Arabs of Yathrib, who, though were latter settlers, held sway culturally and politically. Jewish tribes allied themselves with the leading Arab ones such as banu Aws and Khazraj. This fact is reflected in the Jewish Encyclopedia. But like I mentioned earlier, the leadership wasn't really structured as such. Just many cooperating feuding client tribes.

[b]That said, At the time of Muhammed, Mecca was by far the most dominant city not just in Hijaz, but the whole of the Arabian peninsula; politically, economically and culturally. I will be happy to explain why in detail, but the summary of it is that its leadership exploited the decline of the political power houses of the time. As they fought each other, trading routes became dangerous, and so the Meccans ensured their city was the safest trading route for lucrative commodities such as slaves, spices, gold, and so on. Yathrib pretty much only survived on dates, and was no match for Mecca in terms of importance.

You have not refuted any of my claims with this^^^.

And, This discourse is not about the political dominance of the Jews in the Arab Peninsular. it is about them giving Mecca the economic and cultural prominence in the Peninsular. As a matter of fact, the activities of the Jews made Mecca politically prominent.

They knew they were exiles there. And, if you knew anything about the Jews, you'd know that a Jew always believed that the Next Jewish Feast of the Tabernacle will be celebrated in Jerusalem, hence they knew they were where they found themselves temporarily.

Good thing you agreed that the Jews developed Mecca(Yathrip) economically and made it where all the Arabs wanted to go.

Why did Muhammed kill the Jews in Yathrip?

AgentOfAllah:
No, it wasn't. In fact, Muhammed wasn't really interested in Yathrib at all, except for the fact that the inhabitants approached him to assume the role of a dispassionate arbiter in the decades old conflicts between the leading tribes of Yathrib at the time. This happened at a time he was most desperate for succuor because members of his tribe in Mecca were definitely gonna kill him and his weak band of followers. He jumped at the opportunity immediately.

When you lie, pls note you are not the only one with access to facts. No one invited Muhammed as an arbiter in the battle of the Trenches, he batched on the tribes and presented a pact because he had a ban of thieves whom everyone in the area feared.

Here is what wiki says.
In 622, the Islamic prophet Muhammad arrived at Yathrib from Mecca and established a pact between the conflicting parties.[1][6][7] While the city found itself at war with Muhammad's native Meccan tribe of the Quraysh, tensions between the growing numbers of Muslims and the Jewish communities mounted.[5]
Where did you see Muhammed being called in to settle any dispute?

AgentOfAllah:
I hope you now see why I dismissed your emotional venting as unsophisticated.

You present lies. Sorry not everyone is lazy to read.
You called what i posted unsophisticated? What is sophisticated about the half truths you posted?

AgentOfAllah:
I cannot ask myself that because the premise of such a question is objectively false. Muhammed and members of his tribe, the Quraish, were born and thoroughbred Meccans

Thoroughbred you called muhammed? Again. do you realize people are reading you?

How many Meccans who were also thoroughbred turned out HighWway Robbers, robbing and killing business owners in trade routs STEALING THEIR GOODS like muhammed?
Oh wait, those other Meccans where not really thoroughbred eventually.

AgentOfAllah:
Please read the entry on the Jewish encyclopedia. Even though it is a Jewish cite, it is far more objective than the emotional garbage you're presenting here.

Why don't you post it out here for others to read too? If there's an emotional one here, it's you by trying to present half truths.

AgentOfAllah:
Focus! You're distracted.

Why not answer me? Do you mean the attack on the Jews was inevitable as it is inevitable for muslims to attack the British and Nigerians today?

AgentOfAllah:
Wrong! They weren't living peacefully, which was what prompted them to invite Muhammed to arbitrate between them in the first place.

Who in particular invited Muhammed, with facts pls.
Muhammed saw the conflicts caused. by his original Yemini tribes who had migrated from Medinah to yhe Yathrip and rushed in for a kill.
Who called him into the matter?

AgentOfAllah:
You're all over the place! You seriously need to focus. You seem to enjoy veering off on tangents.

You are afraid of me? Why does me being all over the place a concern to you?

Did i lie about Moslems moving into peoples territories overtime fighting, and killing them yo take over their land?

If you can't see it, the world can.

Israel went on exile, the land was empty, you moved in thinking you can keep it.

That's Muhammad's stealing spirit.

AgentOfAllah:
Wrong! Stop making ignorant claims! Again, I implore you to read the entry on the Jewish encyclopedia. Also look up the Constitution of Medina. I've now hyperlinked it twice for you!

When was this constitution written? was it when they area was just a group of tribes men dwelling in enclaves or after that?

And, who is talking about Medinah? We are talking about the Yathrip (Mecca) where the Jews settled.

pls stop this Altigyya here.

AgentOfAllah:
Yes! Most of the Jews didn't believe him because he wasn't as adept as they were in Abrahamism, so they did what they could to expose the fraud of his claims. Of course, this eroded the initial warmth between the groups, and some of the Jewish tribes conspired to get rid of him by supporting the Meccans against him. Both factions became mutually antagonistic, each trying to eliminate the other.

He was rejected because he lied about being their prophet and demanding that they left YHWH and turn to the allah they had known as an idol his family haf worshipped long before he was born.

They found it outrageous for the the man they all knew as a thief to come presenting a well known idol as the almighty god, commanding everyone to worship it. This was why, he was rejected, and he rounded them up and killed them taking their sons as slaves and their women as sex slaves.

AgentOfAllah:
Yeah, I guess so, but I'm not discussing the accuracy of his claim. I am sure the Jews of Yathrib had legitimate reasons to dismiss his claim to prophethood.

The Jews knew that allah was an idol moon god in the kaaba with the other 300+ gods in the Arabian Peninsular, where did he get the notion of allah is the almighty from?

AgentOfAllah post=e3615462]These claims seem dubious. Have you any references for them? In particular, I'm interested to know where you read that he was a rapist, or that he attacked on a Sabbath.[/quote]From your holy books. it's all there. Muhammed raped women uncountable.
Lets begin with Safiya, Kinani's wife whom he killed on their wedding day and raped her that same day. Haven't you read it in your books.

Use your head, if it wasn't on Sabbath days, a handfull of bandits wouldn't behead 900 strong men. Muhammad knew a Jew won't lift a finger on that day, hence he chose it to attack them.

Criminal is in hellfire already, especially haven been killed by a woman.
[quote author=AgentOfAllah:
The Muslims were by no means strong enough to compel anyone to convert. Not before the conquest of Mecca, so there is no way they compelled anyone who accepted Islam in Medina to become Muslim.

This guy, your lies knows no boundaries. You just mentioned a Word 'Conquest'. Islam has been having converts through conquest from Muhammad. that's why we still see the same thing playing out today everywhere Muslims are.

AgentOfAllah:
Maybe take your own advice...but please use Google. I very much doubt the veracity of your "goggle" sources.
Seriously, focus!

You are openly lying hoping i don't know how to use the search engine in goggle abi.

Gerarahai.

BeansAndBread:
You can't be taken seriously, 1747? Empiree are you seeing this

Can you read? Goggle is your friend. Can Empiree give you the truth? Oh wait!!!! Muslims hate truth

3nim:
Please
1b) A loving father lets his children burn in an ever-growing fire for all eternity for doing bad things. [b]Do you think that's a fair punishment?

Let's begin with you posting the scripture which says Hellfire was created to let Humans burn eternally.

Again, pls what is Justice? and what will you have very wicked men do as accountability for their wrong doing? shd they be led go free?

3nim:
1c) How does spiritual paternity change? First you are a child of God, and then you when you decide to become "evil", you also become the child of the devil. This means that being a child of God is only figurative spiritually. I used to think that it was spiritually true.

Joshua:24:15
[b]And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Romans:6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?[/quote]Who you belong to or serve is your personal prerogative. Satan can only beacon on you with enticing offers, and YHWH will also offer you eternal life, whom you choose is the side you'll belong.

That a believer falls into sin, doesn't automatically mean he/she has switched sides. It is when he/she remains in that sin enjoying it without any guilt. then satan will make him/her do things which ultimately cause him/her her salvation.

Hebrews:10:38
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

quote author=3nim post=63569148]
2) How did Jesus really enter the story...was he created by God? Or was he also God (catholic trinity ideology) and he took part in creation? I mean before he was born of the virgin Mary..[/quote]Good News Translation John 1:1-5

In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

From the very beginning the Word was with God. Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him.

The Word was the source of life, and this life brought light to people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has never put it out.
I believe even a baby can understand what is meant there.

3nim:
3) About that tree in the Middle of the garden, Eden....the question is just WHY? God could have planted a mango tree, why did he plant the one that was not to be touched? And the one that could damn humanity?
3b) Maybe he did that to "fulfil" the scriptures. Did he?

There two specified trees in the middle of Eden, why didn't humans eat from the other one?

Remember, they weren't told not to eat from the Tree of Life, why did they leave the Tree of Life, to eat from the Tree they were told not to eat from?

3nim:
3c) What really are the scriptures then ? I thought the scriptures came after the men who, sort of, documented them (this is like the egg before the chicken or the chicken before the egg)

This is not clear. pls be more clearer.

quote author=3nim post=63569148]

4)[b] Does God really like stories? [/b]because honestly, Bible stories have made some really good movies.
He knew it was ALLL going to happen. So what was his plan? did he think he'd be wrong at some point and that humans wouldn't sin anymore? HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON WOULD HAVE TO DIE AND HE KNEW IT. He let it happen. Most of his creation/children would end up in hell and he knew it. Adam and What's up with this?[/quote]You believed the Word of God to just be mere stories? Can you see what is predicted there coming to pass on earth today?
Take the prophecy of the exile of Israel for example. Didn't it happen in 70AD?
What about the Trampling of the Holy City of Jerusalem by the ungodly gentiles? has it happened? Can you see a Mosque in the Most Holy place of YHWH? lol. do you think it's a coincidence?

What about their return to their Land? did it happen?

Prophet Ezekiel prophesied that nations shall gather headed by Gog and Magog against Israel in a manner that Israel will seem vulnerable with no one to help, but when these nations moves to attack her, they will see the red eye of YHWH. look at the UN today and see if that prophecy is coming to fulfillment.

Do you think the Bible is a story book? Wait for it.

1b) A loving father lets his children burn in an ever-growing fire for all eternity for doing bad things. Do you think that's a fair punishment?


1c) How does spiritual paternity change? First you are a child of God, and then you when you decide to become "evil", you also become the child of the devil. This means that being a child of God is only figurative spiritually. I used to think that it was spiritually true.

2) How did Jesus really enter the story...was he created by God? Or was he also God (catholic trinity ideology) and he took part in creation? I mean before he was born of the virgin Mary...

3) About that tree in the Middle of the garden, Eden....the question is just WHY? God could have planted a mango tree, why did he plant the one that was not to be touched? And the one that could damn humanity?

3b) Maybe he did that to "fulfil" the scriptures. Did he?

3c) What really are the scriptures then ? I thought the scriptures came after the men who, sort of, documented them (this is like the egg before the chicken or the chicken before the egg)

4) Does God really like stories? [/b]because honestly, Bible stories have made some really good movies.
He knew it was ALLL going to happen. So what was his plan? did he think he'd be wrong at some point and that humans wouldn't sin anymore? HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON WOULD HAVE TO DIE AND HE KNEW IT. He let it happen. Most of his creation/children would end up in hell and he knew it. Adam and What's up with this?

5) Is God all-knowing? [b]Did he or did he not know...
(a) ...that that serpent was evil? y/n
(b) ...that Adam and Eve would eat the apple
(c) ...That his only begotten son would have to suffer and die?
(d) ...That sin would , in all honesty, be fun to commit sometimes so his creation would have to give up doing things they like
He should have known all these before he created anything. He could have spared Jesus christ all of that pain and suffering, really.


5) God is all powerful?
(a) Why didn't he crush Lucifer them one time? Instead of letting him tempt his children....
(b) In fact, he could have deleted sin from existence or made humans have no desire to sin. Why didn't he?


6a) Innocent people, children, CHRISTIANS die horribly daily. Is this his will or is he waiting for the right number of people to die before he saves his children ?

Now lets get to the smaller things
The whole contradictory book.
I don't understand how people keep reading it like it's all rosy and fine in there.

7) Does he have multiple personalities? God of love-God of war, God of vengeance-God of mercy. Vengeance and mercy stand on 2 opposite sides of the spectrum.

(8 ) Is the Bible 100% accurate? Could it really be God's or Jesus's words? Did the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John literally carry their "pen and paper" everywhere ? ...I mean you have quoted statement after quoted statement in the Bible.

10)(a) Explain God's take on rape and why I should understand it.
(b) Explain his take on me being able to sacrifice my own child willingly and blindly in obedience to him ( here I get the answer that God wouldn't give me a temptation that is too big for me. well...)

11) Do you believe that a LOOOOOOT of Christians are just afraid of hell?

12) How can you really know that Jesus spoke to you or touched you or convince someone else of it? The usual answer here, is "I just feel it", which does not convince me. I'd like a writing on the wall, or a mark on my arm. Feelings fade sometimes. If I had the writing on the wall and someone else could confirm I am not hallucinating, then that would be awesome.

13) Why does it seem like God isn't keen on saving his children from the flames of hell ? If he were we would all be saved by now, tbh. Instead, he lets people do the work, he definitely knows they won't all succeed. Even when people seek him, they don't find him, contrary to his word in Matthew 7:7 (I held on to this so much)...there have been people who sought his presence or help in their lives. MOST did not get answers....The explanation I get to this is that the people don't seek long enough... okayyyy[/quote]

3nim:
1a) Who are the actual "children" of God? (...multiple choice)
(a) the devoted followers only
(b) the partial followers and the devoted ones
(c) the People in India who grew up believeing in Krishna, a god with blue skin, gods with multiple arms (apparently they should go to hell for this)
(d) Mentally deranged ("mad" ) people
(e) all of the above, infact every human being

I think the first thing to do here is to specify which God You are dealing with here, as 'God' is not a name of any particular deity. All the deities have their names. I see you mention Indians and Crishna. Do they worship YHWH?
What is the name of this God pls.

BUT, let me answer from the Christian perspective.

1a. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans:8:14

What does it mean to be Led by the Spirit of God?.
To be Led by the Spirit of God means to subject your day to day life to the specification of the Word of God.

It means to have your character moulded, Actions motivated, speech inspired by the Word of God. In words and in deeds, Christ must be glorified. Your relationship with your fellowman is in love. If the Word says forgive he who wronged you, you do so, etc.

So, anyone whose life is consistent with the directives given in the word of God, is a true Son of God.

1b. Who is a devoted follower? A devoted follower of what or who? Jesus is looking for disciples not followers.

Matthew:7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The followers who have motives and hidden agendas for following, will be told ' I know you not', al though they performed miracles or magic in Yashua's name.
Yashua did not say be devoted, He said, 'If you love me, keep my commandments. Are they keeping his commandments?

b. doesn't make sense.

c. It's important you tell us if Krishna and YHWH are the same deity.

d. Mad people are demon's possessed. We saw that in cases where Jesus cast them out and restored the sanity of the victims.

Question is, how did they get to the point where demons took their bodies as host?

Two opposing spirits can't indwell one particular vessel. Demons are darkness, The Holy Spirit is light, thus, they can't take the same host as a dwelling place.

e. Every human is YHWH's creation, but not all are his children, as most are rebellious, wicked and on Satan's side.

The Lord Knows his Sheep, and he is known by his sheep.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Matthew:25:31

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Matthew:25:32

And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Matthew:25:33

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew:25:34.

The sheep follow and are obedient, they are the ones insulted and called names in this platform by the rebellious goats. But on this day, we shall know.

T.b.c.

3nim:
I believe a lot of Christians believe BLINDLY.

I think you should say what you mean by blindly.

3nim:
There have been many instances, where doubt sprouted from reading the Bible or sitting in Church . Too many unanswered questions go unanswered and suddenly there's one less follower of Christ.

You are very right about doubts springing up as a result of 'Unanswered' questions. I almost became one of those 'One-less-Christian', until i by instinct decided to read Jesus for myself. I didn't even have my own Bible, i borrowed it and i almost chewed it up literary when i encountered Jesus for myself. All my questions received answered and all my doubt dispersed.

When you make a man a Father and make God a grandfather, when you have questions that man can not answer, you'll be in the state you just described.

But when the Holy Spirit sees your yearning to know Him, He opens you up.

I knew about Meditation in New Age, i wanted the experience, i felt Christianity had no such thing, but i asked the Holy Spirit for insight to his Words and, over time the Word began to speak back to me, then i knew what meditation is and knew that the New Age meditation is a Farce.

3nim:
That's the case everyday, believe it or not. A whole lot of people search for answers. I'd like this thread to be a platform for questions and answers.

Okay then, let the questions begin.

3nim:
It shouldn't matter who asks asks the questions, Atheist, Jew, Muslim, Budhists, Christians who have been reconsidering their faith . If you aren't a Christian, who's just "following blind", you should be able to provide some answers. If you could not do this, no one would be wrong to say that you might have no idea what you are doing.

Okay.

3nim:
I can say from experience that a lot of (or most) Christians tend to dodge some direct questions. They either ignore them, see them as insults, or use the opportunity to let the asker know that he/she would be going to hell for asking

It will be nice if you do not use the 'Turn the other Cheek' Cliché to sound rude to a Christian but expect no reaction. Let's do this respectfully.

3nim:
Please Note:
***If you are going to use Bible passages in your answers, try to explain them. Don't just drop them and think you've made your point to people. If they don't understand, they might not be convinced.

Okay.

3nim:
***When people still go ahead and question your answers, it also doesn't always mean they wish to insult you.

You mean being called deluded or a fool for believing in God is not meant as an insult? Well, let my answer to that individual not consist an insult too.

3nim:
***non-biblical answers would also be good answers because not everyone thinks that the Bible is legit.

***finally, saying that a person cannot understand your answers or explanations because he/she has a hardened heart or is a child of the devil might be false. You might be the only person who understands your explanation tbh.
Above all, it doesn't help anyone. It probably only makes the devil happier since he is a bigger father than Abraham.

This could help people.

Have a good day.

The devil is a bigger bigger father to who?

3nim:
I Hope you had a very merry Christmans day.

If my post offended you in anyway, I actually didn't mean for it to.

It's all about Christianity.
Questions 2 and 12 mentioned Jesus. Question 8 mentioned the Bible.
I thought I would get more christian POV'S if I used the topic name up there.

I'm neither a demon nor am I possessed by one (or more), but there are still Christians, who are afraid of going to hell... a good number of them are children.
There are places in the Bible where it's clear that it won't just be Satan and his demons going going to Hell. I can't say much about the creation of hell.

Good morning. I am not offended, no am not.

i went through your Op and felt if all of us people of faith comes in there responding all at once since we were all mentioned, the place will be to noisy and crowded, hence, i decided to step back.

But if you want me to select what concerns YHWH and YASHUA in your Op, then i will do so.

And, Yes, i had a very good Christmas, and hope you did too?

BeansAndBread:
When, when, when when and when?

Beans and Bread, do you read?
In 1747.
1967.

2000

2001

2008.

Pls try and read the history of the world.

Empiree:
Even if they rejected it 100 times, they had the right to do so. Israel offered none. What israel said was a disarmed palestinian "state" if they are to accept 2 state solution. Israel doesnt want INDEPENDENT palestine. Stop lying. If they wanted Palestinian state, why would Israeli PM and US prez keep saying "Jerusalem is undivided capital of Israel"?. That sounds like they want 2-state solution?.

However, Ranchhoddas already answered this when he said they had the right to resist anything they had to put forward just like Nigeria resisted Brits.

Sorry, you can't have Jerusalem. lolzzzz.

Arabs doesn't want Israel in their own land at all, that's the point. They want all of it.

Why not take your state, put it's capital any where you want?

Empiree:
Remember Uganda was also suggested for them to live before UN, formerly the league of nations and the british decided Palastine land for them. If they had succeded given them Uganda, what do you think Ugandans would be doing by now?.

And you said to leave religion aside, do you know that Israel keeps using religion to back up their point?. As someone said earlier, where were they living before they moved to middle east?.

Do you know that you the Arab world have rejected a 2 state policy proposed by Israel 5 times? Now, you are not getting a foot space.

Ranchhoddas:
It is not their land.

Really? Where was King David, King Solomon and Jesus come from?

jeruzi:
I get your view now. You agree it's their land, but because of other occupant that came in due to the time laps, they should settle for the two state policy. Some claim that the land is altogether not theirs.

The Muslims do not want a 2State policy. Israel has offered them a 2 state policy 5times, they rejected it. They want Israel out of that land.

Ranchhoddas:
It's not their land.
At least no more their land than that of the Palestinians.

If I came to your house and told you to leave because my ancestors lived there centuries ago would you leave?

A two-state state solution has been proposed for long and Israel has opposed it at every turn.
If you want peace you have to make sacrifices.
Why has Israel refused that?

Once again it's not their land.

If you were a wanton son or a riotous son who left home and lived as you liked, leaving your father's inheritance to fall into the hands of men who came into your land, finding no body, settled. when you come to your senses, should you return to your Father's house to claim back your inheritance? Or should you be told that you have gone for much too long, the settlers have settled for much too long and have no other place to go, so you shd go back to exile?

PastorAIO:
But Medina was in Arabia and Mohammed was Arab. How did he take it? Who did he take it from?

No one said it wasn't. That's the reason why the Jews didn't fight Muhammed but accepted his terms even went further to pay the tax he imposed on them.

Yes Muhammed was a Yemini Arab, not a Yathrip Arab. The Yathrip Arabs never had any trouble cohabiting with the Jews who turned their region to a commercial hob. Muhammad not only killed the Jews but killed the Arabs too.

Question you shd answer pls, Why didn't muhammed allow the Jews cohabit with the Arabs in peace as they did before he got there?

Why was he moving from place to place leaving corpses on his trail?

And, he as an Arab wanted the Jews gone, why not evict them?

PastorAIO:
So basically you are saying that Medina belongs to the Jews while at the same time using the very same mouth to say that :

Pls read my posts very well so that you won't lie against me. I think i said clearly that the Jews dispersed into the Arabic Peninsula in the wake of the Romans Empire's attack on the Nation of Israel in 70AD.

I said the Jews escaped General Titus into the Arabic desert and turned it into an economic centre.

I didn't say it was their land, the Jews were not Arabs, but without the economic sense of the Jews, Muhammed wouldn't have been interested in that land.

He was daft without any knowledge of Agriculture.
When he had taken over the land, he gave a very wrong Agricultural procedure to the famers and they almost lost all their produce that year.

Him think say na for mouth.

PastorAIO:
An arab man moves somewhere in Arabia that has a jewish population and you accuse him of stealing Jewish land and yet Jew have never claimed anybody's land.

I hope you realize people are reading you? Maybe you don't care that your throwing your insincerity open.

Why didn't you complete your statement? 'An Arab man left Yemeni and settled in Medina, wanted the land, it was rejected him, he killed everyone and took the land, he moved on to the next town, Yathrip (Mecca) He needed the land which Natives and strangers had already established, he wanted the land, he was denied it. He waged war, he lost, he came back later with a peace pact, the Natives and the Settlers accepted him back, but when unsuspecting he rose up when he knew the settlers won't fight back and killed 900 men. Here you are clapping for him.

Pastor, you really need to clap for yoirself.

Did you read the Post AgentOf Allah posted from Wiki? Did you see Muhammad's deception?

PastorAIO:
Even though Canaan was fully populated when according to the bible they arrived there.

Did the Israelites on their own matched out to take that land? Or better still, did Moses the Jewish leader led an expedition against the Canaanites killing them for their land?

As a Pastor, i believe you know who Canaan was? What he did, how he came to be the reject of God and of man? How he became the slave of slaves?

The land Canaan dwelled on, was it his?

The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
Psalm:24:1 , And He will give it to whomever He chooses. He owns the earth and the Canaanites who dwelled in that land. If Canaan did not please Him, and He wanted Canaan out, Canaan gets out.

The Landlord decides who stays on his land and who gets evicted, and Canaan got evicted for his evils of human sacrifice to demons.

How come you didn't know this as a pastor?

PastorAIO:
I noticed you haven't addressed my point that Jerusalem was not Hebrew and in fact they stole it from the Jebusites.

Oh, you meant to say YHWH is a thief who stole his own land from a wicked satan worshipping people and gave it to whom He choose? Oga, i hail o.

Do you remember YHWH promising Abraham that Land? When YHEH promised to give that land to the descendants of Abraham, it was described as being inhabited by many tribes, including the Jebusites (Genesis 15:18–21).

Who were these people, and where did they come from?

According to the Table of Nations in Genesis 10, the Jebusites were descended from Noah’s son Ham, through his son Canaan. They were one of the Amorite tribes who were placed under judgment by God for their wickedness (Genesis 15:16). God described their pagan worship as abominable practices (Deuteronomy 20:18), which included child sacrifice to Molech by burning them in the fire.

As a result of that judgment, God told the Israelites to exterminate all of the Amorite tribes when they came into the land. The Israelites were also forbidden to intermarry with them, so the Jebusites would not pass on their pagan practices.

When Moses was asked by YHWH to take the Jews out of Egypt, and to the land of Amorites, its in keeping to the promise He made to his faithful Servant Abraham.
Remember, immediately the Jews crossed the Red Sea, hungry, thirsty and tired, the Amorites (Amalekites) attacked them without any provocation.

Now, tell me, Who commanded Muhammed to remove the Jews in Yathrip and in such a gruesome manner?

Pls, what did the Jews do before muhammed beheaded 900 men in one day? that's not all of the Jews he killed meanwhile.

PastorAIO:
In my belief, Everything that has a beginning will have an end. Only Eternal things are Eternal.

I believe that too. Whatsoever the Lord doeth is forever. No addition, no subtraction and He has given that Land to the Jews, so, no one can take it from them. Anyone who tries it will be swallowed up by that land. With all the money the Arab Leaque has, with all the support they have garnered, why have they not moved to take that land?

make dem try nah. dem try am twice in the past, and lost woefully, and lost some part of their land to Israel sef.

PastorAIO:
Israel had a beginning....

Jerusalem had a beginning .....
etc etc

Another sort of belief of mine is that: He who lives by the Sword will die by the Sword.
and a variation of that: if you achieve something violently you will lose it violently.

That's not your line, that's YHWH talking. That's why Islam will die by the Sword, for they live by the Sword.

Yes, that's why Muslims who used Violence to try to take over the land of Israel have lost it and if dem no dey fear, make dem waka go take am back.

Muhammad lived by killing people, how did he end? By being killed by a Jewish girl. who one of the 900 Men Muhammed killed was her husband. And that was her first day as a bride, Muhammed knew that, but he killed her husband anyways and took her home as a slave and raped her that same day while she was still crying for her husband Kinani, her father and her brothers.
To Show how brave he was, he raped her and kept raping her, until she in turn, killed him.

Pls let's put our hands together for prophet muhammed the World's best man.

MusicSots:
What have you just said? Connect yourself with Jesus and stop paying middlemen is what am telling you. Let him be your master, instead of master of your master.

We are on the same side then, except you are not. because sheep do not join the goats to malign fellow sheep.

DeSepiero:
As you please, howbeit, you can give her your Christian answers.

If you read through her Op, she didn't talk about Christianity, she addressed world religions, like Islam, Chrisna and the rest.

If she was specific i could respond to her.

Every God has a name, if she is referring to YHWH or Jesus, i will come in, but until then, i wouldn't have what to say to her becos i know nothing in those religions she mentioned.

Again, she talked about hellfire and people burning eternally, i have never come across a place the Bible said YHWH created Hellfire for human beings. I saw Satan and hia demons.

is she a demon or demon possessed? If she is then she shd be afraid.

When she needs me to answer her, she knows what to do.

Merry Christmas.

LoudNdclear:
True words..... that settles it

But goats wants us to be shamed of being sheep and become rebellious goats. E no go happen.

PastorAIO:
Please what year did this event take place. I ask because I am not aware of Muhammad invading any land that wasn't in Arabia.

The exile of the Jews happened in 70AD with General Titus the first son of the ruling Emperor then, who attacked Israel as a result of a revolt of the Jews against the Roman empire.

The Jews dispersed everywhere, built in the lands they escaped to. Funny enough, no Jew had ever claimed the land they ran to as theirs no matter how long they had stayed in those lands, yet the Arabs settles in peoples lands and wants to take it over because they had been there long.

The Land they call Palestine today was where a Jewish King David came from (Bethlehem), and also a birth place of Jesus. At What point did it become theirs?

Just like Muhammed left Yemen, went to Medina and took it, he moved to Yathrip, lived there for sometime and took it, so also muslims everywhere are doing.
Today, they want Britain and Australia.
Thieves.

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I believe Analize701 is talking of Yathrib (modern day city of Medina), however, this person's understanding of the story is rather very unsophisticated[/quote]lol. You have already adjudged my understand when i didn't give any historical background to what i said.
Weldone.

AgentOfAllah:
First of all, Medina is an oasis, but of course, naturally formed. It was not converted by the jews as (s)he claims.

Jewish tribes arrived in Hijaz in the wake of the Jewish-Roman wars and introduced agriculture, putting them in a culturally, economically and politically dominant position. Why was Muhammed interested in the particular location? Was it not because it has become the center of economy? Who made that possible? The Jews.

AgentOfAllah:
Also, I'm not sure about the day Muhammed attacked, but the outcome of that attack was devastating.

Sir, if you'd call me unsophisticated, i think the best thing you should have done is to get your sophisticated facts out.

Ask yourself why Muhammed who originally comes from Yemen, then settled in Mecca, will be the one to impost his rule on a land he came in to meet people already living and doing peaceful business in.
He made the rules, others accepted to go by his rules, but unsuspectingly, he got up and broke the pact and besieged the Jews beheading 900 Men, stealing all their animals, properties and their women.

AgentOfAllah:
In some ways also, inevitable. During their stay in Yathrib, the tensions between the Muslim and the leaders of some local Jewish tribes simmered and eroded the trust that allowed the Muslims into Medina in the first instance.

The attack on the Jews was inevitable, you mean as it is today? These tribes have been living successfully and peacefully doing business together until the moslems were allowed in, then trouble began.
Just like it is today, moslems come into your area, you allow them, with time they rise up and attack you claiming your land by insisting on you obeying their religious laws or take the Sword.

AgentOfAllah:
I guess the Muslims felt betrayed also, because, in spite of them acknowledging the Jews as among god's chosen, and even praising all their prophets and what not, the Jewish leadership in these tribes, though accepting Muhammed's political leadership, refused to acknowledge the supremacy of his religion

Lolzzz, You guessed the Moslems felt betrayed? Muhammed didn't come to the Jews with 'Live and Let's live', he came with 'There's no other god but allah and muhammed is his prophet. He didn't go to them with the right hand of fellowship of worship yoir YHWH while we worship our allah.

He told the Jews that he was the Promised Prophet Moses talked about in their Torah, The Jews being a people guided by their law, Knew he was lying, since all yhe Prophets who had come had always been Jews, an Arab couldn't be a Prophet of their God YHWH, especially not this man whose reputation went ahead of him in the Arab peninsula.

Besides, there are Criteria to know a prophet of YHWH and Muhammed has had a reputation of stealing as an High Way man. He was known to be a rapist by these same men he was claiming he was their prophet, hence, they rejected him as YHWH's prophet. The narcissistic tendencies in him propelled him to take the move he took. Low self esteem made him not able to handle rejection, hence, he attacked them on a day he knew a Jew won't lift a finger in retaliation.

AgentOfAllah:
. Some did convert to Islam, but many didn't make it a secret that they considered Muhammed's message a fraudulent rip off! On several occasions, they would rebuff his attempts to convert them by asking him difficult questions.

You mean Muhammad presented them with this option, 'The Koran or the Sword?'. pulissssss. Go l[ with the soft peddling of Muhammad's evils. Those who converted were the fearful ones, just like Here in Nigeria, they present the Koran and the sword. choose. The cowards Chooses the koran and die twice.

AgentOfAllah:
So, in spite of his wide acceptance in Medina, he wasn't universally liked by all the leading tribes there.
For some reason, Muhammed chronicled his frustrations with this set of Jews in several parts of the Qur'an, apparently, as god's response to them. This is just one of his responses below:

Pls the facts are on goggle for everyone who is intereated to see, Muhammad was never accepted as a prophet peacefully, whether in Medina or anyehere else, it was by the sword. Right at Medina when he was openly rejected and called a fraud was chased out of town, he came back glorifying demons, the daughters of allah his grandfather and father had worshipped, which he removed an called idols because he wanted the Monotheistic God of the Jews to be his God.

How did the Satanic Verses come about?

MusicSots:
Why not connect yourself to the true master and be free from paying middlemen your add-earned money.

You mean satan? No, thanks. Jesus is my Master.

OBIGS:
love kee.. You dey confuse ooo

I meant to say, Just move along. lol.
See this one.

DeSepiero:
analize701 may give you some 'insight'.

Sorry, I'm a Christian not a religious person.

OBIGS:
only if you see me and still feel you can call me a boy.

Whatever, just love along.

MusicSots:
Is Oyedepo and Jesus thesame person? Smh

One is the master of the other.

Bollinger:
Not really. Still trying to figure out how one can be poor UT is still willing to donate money to fraudsters.

Na your money?

Bollinger:
Can't. S.tupid people fascinate me. Trying to figure out how their minds work.

Proudly stupid. Are you happy now?

Now, move along.

OBIGS:
you get problem. But your the one defending tithes. I wanted you to give me vivid reason why I still need to continue paying tithes. But I guess freeze is right

i go always see my mama pot as number1. Na her food sweet pass

Lolzzz,boy move along

Bollinger:
Yup , he is rich because you are s.tupid

Yeap. Is it your stupidity? Am a sheep, you are a goat, face your front.

OBIGS:
you are confused. spweing trash u know you can't defend. receive sense before this year end.

So, i have to defend myself from a boy who is still eating from his parents pot when i'm paying tithe with my own hard earned money?

You dey craze abi.

BERNIMOORE:
you said you are obedient to a command to tithe now show the command or quote it here you ran away, can you see that your inner motive of greed is exposed, if not you can't prove the command you claim

And i said, i won't. I don't answer to you.

i who pays tithe i'm greedy?

lolzzz. pls go and write jamb first, graduate through school, get employment, live by yourself paying your bills then come back and talk to me.

Common gerarahia.

Esepayan:
u are a disgrace to ur family

Shey na my family? Okay, no worry.

OBIGS:
clarify me no. oyedepo or you

How e take Concern you sef?

stevio:
The cleaner,the better

The cleaner the better, for cleanliness is nearest to godliness. Thank you..