₦airaland Forum

OLAADEGBU:
Alright, let's call them out to come and answer the question. adewalker, AgentOfAllah, Biosahal, Bobbywallexino, Crusadistic, Demmzy15, Empree, mujahid777, mubarakopeyemi, mustymatic, Rilwayne, Rilwayne001, vedaxcool,

AgentOfAllah said he is not a muslim.

thorpido:
Don't eat pigs but drink camel urine. Odiegwu.

You don't know why Muhammed hated pigs?

Well, Here is why.

Waraqa the soothsayer who doubled as a Catholic thought him from the NT that Jesus Cast demons into Pigs and what took him to consult Waraqa was demon possession which was tormenting him to the point he was going to kill himself before his elderly wife took him to the soothsayer.

Muhammed believed that those demons were still in pigs and they will get him if he ate pig meat.
He forbade his followers from eating pork so that demons wont jump them. hahahahahahahaha.

OLAADEGBU:
The mere fact that they even have provisions for bestiality in their 'holy books' is disturbing.

They do?

kallmemrB:
Wow ...Are u sure you are a true Christian that follows the scripture....Because you don't understand a church doesn't give you the right to condemn it....
James 4:11-12 KJV
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. [12] There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Guy, Celestial Church is bend towards the Marine.

frosbel2:
typical brainwashed fanatic!

Frosbel, you are the last person i will waste my time on.
Gerarahia.

PastorAIO:
Okay, let's see who the angry, hateful liar is here.

Please compare and contrast the following posts.
























So from the above, who is the person that has been lying from her father for lies since the beginning of this thread? Is it not you. I believe that is about 3 or 4 directly contradicting statements that you have made out of one single mouth. Jesus said when you right hand is doing something don't let your left hand know, but I think he will be shocked to see that you've taken that to the extreme of when your mouth says something immediately the same mouth will be ignorant of it and say something totally contradictory in the next breath.

I kind of feel sorry for you because I can tell that you have a lot of angst and to seek relief you are just lashing out incoherently and islam is one of the things that serves as your kind of punchbag to give you a little bit of relief from your violent torment.

Oga, there's nothing you guys can do to take Jerusalem.

Angry frustrated Muslim is calling another person a angry. When you are done shouting at me, proceed to Jerusalem and take it. hahahahahahahahaha.

AgentOfAllah:
I'm not a Moslem, thank you!


You have a tangent for every point on a circle, don't you?


Seriously, what are you on about? I really don't understand your point.


I know this must be strange to you, but agreeing with the accurate points of your co-discussant is called objectivity. So, while I agreed with your claim that the Jews developed Yathrib economically, your claim that they made it economically, culturally and politically dominant was complete bullocks! It was Mecca, not Yathrib that was the political, economic and cultural powerhouse of the peninsula.


This claim is false! And since you're being a monumental prat about your ignorance, I will start including my references.
There's hardly any historical record of Jewish tribes in Mecca. Mecca didn't become prominent because of Jewish activity. It became prominent because it was the safest trade route at the time, just as I mentioned earlier. See pp 14-15 “A history of Islamic Societies” Lapidus (1988)

Goodness me! You don’t even know the difference between Yathrib and Mecca!


The following is an excerpt from the Wiki page on Muhammed’s emigration to Medina:
“The next year, at the pilgrimage of 622, a delegation of around 75 Muslims of the Banu Aws and Khazraj from Medina came…They invited him to come to Medina as an arbitrator to reconcile among the hostile tribes.”


No, not everyone. Just you!


Yes I do, with the greatest sense of responsibility.


I really cannot be posting several pages of text here for obvious reasons…maybe not so obvious to you. That’s why I included the hyperlink. It’s literally just a tap away!


You’re beginning to ask questions, That's good progress, even though I have become a bit weary from your ignorance. Here’s another excerpt from the book, “The Cambridge History of Islam” pp. 40 (Holt, Lambton et al. 1970)
“Contact with the Jews had familiarized the Arabs of Medina with the conception of an inspired religious leader, perhaps even with the expectation of a Messiah. Thus among the six men {from Medina} who met Muhammad in 620 there would be a degree of readiness to accept his claims at the religious level. At the same time they could not but be aware that a neutral outsider to Medina like Muhammad, with authority based on religious claims, would be in a better position to act as impartial arbiter than any inhabitant of Medina”


You’re a lightweight. However, your straw men are a little distracting, and just prolong the discourse unnecessarily. It seems you can’t help it, so I guess I’ll just ignore them.


It was written after Muhammad accepted to emigrate to Medina (Yathrib), as the terms of the tribal confederacy that would be operational there.


Medina is Yathrib, fool!


Just when we were making progress. You're a real piece of work and I am just really bored of you now. Please read some proper history books if you really wanna know the history of that region and stop pooping all over the internet. It's tedious work cleaning your dung up for you.

References:
Holt, P. M., A. K. S. Lambton and B. Lewis (1970). The Cambridge history of Islam. Cambridge Eng., University Press.
Lapidus, I. M. (1988). A history of Islamic societies. Cambridge Cambridgeshire ; New York, Cambridge University Press.

I didn't read any of your lies. Again, Gerarahia.

kallmemrB:
I don't understand

In other words, you are asking him to satan of jump into the deep blue sea full of Sharks.

MuttleyLaff:
I know you know I was pointing out that, tithing, is, in the amount. Whereas, you wrote tithing is not in the amount.
It is giving, that isn't in the amount. Tithing is giving, but not all giving is tithing
The amount of tithe is 10%, nothing more, nothing less

lol. Okay.
What i meant to project there was Obedience, consistency and discipline.

MuttleyLaff:
Fixed that for you Tithing is 10% period. The only amount that tithing is, one tenth of something Tithe is neither less nor more than 10% Whenever you give more than 10%, it ceases to be tithe 1% - 9.99% and 10.001% -100% giving is not tithing

I know

Bester44:
You are truly in the spirit. Who God asked me to go and confess to is a pastor I trust but in another pentecostal church.

I created this thread because 4 days ago, it was revealed to me that a girl would throw herself at me. Her name was revealed, what she would say to attract me was revealed, and I was told she has invisible horn on her forehead. We met 3 days ago. Since then, she gets pissed off if I don't chat her up much in a day.

Satan is actually attacking my finance and I have not been faithful with tithing.

Whoever God wants, satan also wants. What will get you off from Satan's grip is prompt Obedience. Immediately you hear anything, run to do it. Satan gets frustrated when we obey YHWH.

Lol, @ the girl. You are fortunate to have this gift. Cut that girl off, never ever think you are strong enough to ward off satanic schemes. They casts spells and place Hexes on people. If you disobey your own master, it gives them room into you, So cut her off for your own good.

Tithing is not in the amount, it's obedience and discipline, and consistency that God intends to teach us.

My gift is dreaming and like you i dream things that'll effect me before they happen. If i tell you how many suitors i have let go because i had dreamed they weren't right? Folks thinks i'm mad. But, YHWH says, 'They will never be ashamed that put their trust in Him'. I will not obey and trust Him and be ashamed. That is not consistent with His character.

Bros, crave a tight relationship with God. The devil will keep trying to infiltrate your gift by planting messages to you, but check everything with the Word if God. The Holy Spirit will not speak outside the Word.

Paul says, even if an Angel comes to tell us to do what is not in the Word, we shd curse that Angel because he is not of the Lord.

Bury yourself in Word. Pls pls and pls, do the Word of God. If it says don't lie, pls don't lie.

Keep away from sexual sin, no sin is as devastating like sexual sin.

Keep the Spirit of Anger away. Satan will stir you up by using people around you to make you angry. Be alert to avoid getting angry to a point of saying or doing what you shd not.

Love all man, especially those who hates you. I just understood the power in loving those you hate you. If we know what we do to those who hate us if we love them eh. hmmm.

Your case is different. Because you are the redeemed of the Lord, and as a covenant Child, what affects others is not permitted to affect.

May the peace of God overtake you.

Bester44:
I hitherto didn't want to argue, but I will have to engage you. Celestial Church is another form of initiation. A family member attends that church. I remembered the day I was there to enquire from God. I was told by the prophet that candles worth of 4k, coconut, local hen eggs, white cloth and others were needed for my prayer. So, someone that has no kobo should look for over 9k before he can receive healing and blessing from God. I was mandated to sweep ile-aanu for seven days, three proohets after prayer will smash the eggs on Apata Michael bla bla. Celestial Church is a confirmed deliverance centre but I don't trust that doctrine because I can't see that in the Bible. I'm even well versed in the Bible canons like Tobith.

My dear and the Tobit's version of deliverance is even sorcery.

Richdotcom:
First let me say this, anybody can see vision, either from God or from the devil..... the fact that you can see spiritually and God offer such gift does not mean yours is from God.

Oga I am not judging oooo but you know where yours is originating from.

I know where you are coming from that if one is in Christ he is a new creature old things have passed away...... but spiritually some strong hold neeed to be broken, my advice is your you to talk to your head pastor about it or a senior pastor and go for deliverance......... you might be shocked that after the deliverance God will give you the Genuine gift of seeing, and also you will be see and alter things in the realm of the spirit( most of these satanic sources of seeing vision, can only see and not change it....

You totally didn't read his Op or you didn't understand it. Read it again.

kallmemrB:
Go to a Spiritual Church like Celestial Church...don't waste ur time on NL they will surely make u regret asking for help

That's like choosing between the Rock and a hard place.

butterflyl1on:
From his OP


Always read the fine print.

You have time o.

Bester44:
I grew up as a very strong Christian until the problems of life started hitting me from different directions. When I was at the brink of suicide, I stopped going to church. My people in the village did spiritual fortifications for me which include seeing mysteries. Throughout the period I stopped going to church, God intensified effort to bring me back (grace, if you ask me. Now I'm back into the fold.

When I say the spirit of divination, I mean I would see anything that will affect me in the future before they happen so that I can know the step to take. Assuming someone will come to my house tomorrow about a matter, I would see the person in vision today and be told why he is coming and what to tell him. Another example: someone I didn't know anywhere contacted me from nairaland to handle a job for her. A day to the day she contacted me, where she is, the job description, and others were revealed to me.

Now God has been using other means to tell me that I should go and confess to other man of God about what I did that placed me in a position to foresee. The problem is that no one in my church is strong enough to advise about divination or whatever. Or, is God saying I need deliverance? Having reestablished my allegiance to God, does that mean I'm not yet free from demons? Why should I think demons are the ones at work since that Holy Spirit can do better?

Lalasticlala

The gift is not from satan, but your misplaced allegiance is giving satan the room to use it for himself.

lol. God is only letting you know you are in a wrong place doing what you shd be doing somewhere else.

Satan can not give anything, it's all manipulations.

How do you think God reveals secrets to his servants? The Revelational gifts are what satan turns to divinations. You have a Revelational gift.

Let's exmaine someone with your exact gift in the Bible.

In 1Kings 1:14- 17 We see a Prophet by the name of Ahijah who was in the days of Jeroboam, you remember him? God told him, listen, Jeroboam knows he can't come to you for help becos of his sins, but he has sent his wife to come to you disguised thinking you'd know who she is because you are blind, but this is what you shd tell her...

And immediately she walked in, blind Prophet Ahijah called her by name and told her about her disguise and why she was there.

No one walks with and for God without revelations my dear.

You have a rare gift, and satan frustrated you so that you can Willingly submit your Will power(which is your greatest weapon) to him. You must willingly and consciously take it back.

Don't take this the wrong way because it's the truth. It will be a battle for you be totally free from satan because you gave him your will power legally. You must be strong, firm and resolute to take back your Will power.

Your soul is redeemed, but he will fight you in other ways. He will fight your marriage vehemently, if you are yet married. Watch it, he will send you his daughter pretending to be godly. Check with God before you marry. Don't depend on outer looks alone.

He will attack your finance, So Pay your tithe. Satan is attacking tithe because he knows what is in it. It locks him out of your finances.

If God is asking you to confess to someone, it must not be in your church. there is certainly a man or woman you are convicted about. Go to the person, look away from the reproach that may bring. Do it. Humility can not be archived in the absence of humiliation.

The Holy Spirit told me that Humility is not weakness, it is great strength, because it puts self down for God to step into that case.

When you fight to protect yourself from whatever, He can not fight for you.

A man walked into my Church (Not a member) during Covenant hour of prayer one morning. Before then, he was going to end it by killing himself, but he walked i to Church. He told the pastor who he was, and what he had done and that he wanted to confess before the whole congregation. On Sunday morning with the Church full to the brim, he took the podium and said things only a convicted man could say about himself before other people. Not minding what anyone will think of him.

You would think, he'd leave after that. But no. He stayed. He bared it all, he tolerated people looking at him as that person, but gradually acceptance came from those who alienated him before. He said he will leave by January. He has been here almost 8months.

So, you can do it anywhere to anybody. Satan gets paralyzed when we accept shame. Pride keeps us from accepting Shame. We remain i. Pride and Pride is Satan's character.

Kill Pride my brother. If pride dies in you. satan has lost the battle over you.

Empiree:
Maybe you should talk about WHY they were exiled to begin with. But if you want to say they were exiled was indication that they lived there beofre, then, you got a lot to research. They themselves met and occupied people in the Land. I have explained enough. Go back to previous pages and watch the Rabbi. It is only less than 5 minutes. I have told you before that one of the reasons they were evicted by Divine Will was bcus they rejected your god(Jesus).


When Jesus perceived that the children of Israel were bent upon disbelief, he said, "Who will be my helper in the cause of God?" Q3:52



They called your god(Jesus) bastard.



They boosted and happy they killed your god(Jesus). They called mother(Mary) of your god love pedler. They killed their prophets, the dealt riba(usury),

Chapter 4 verses 150 - 157


Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between -

Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

But they who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not discriminate between any of them - to those He is going to give their rewards. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

The People of the Scripture ask you to bring down to them a book from the heaven. But they had asked of Moses [even] greater than that and said, "Show us Allah outright," so the thunderbolt struck them for their wrongdoing. Then they took the calf [for worship] after clear evidences had come to them, and We pardoned that. And We gave Moses a clear authority.

And We raised over them the mount for [refusal of] their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.

And [We cursed them] for their breaking of the covenant and their disbelief in the signs of Allah and their killing of the prophets without right and their saying, "Our hearts are wrapped". Rather, Allah has sealed them because of their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.

And [We cursed them] for their disbelief and their saying against Mary a great slander,

And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ."........."



And finally, they were CURSED by Jesus and David {Qur'an 5:78}


Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of Dawud (David) and 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). That was because they disobeyed (Allah and the Messengers) and were ever transgressing beyond bounds. Mohsin Khan translation



Cursed were the unbelievers of the Children of Israel by the tongue of David, and Jesus, Mary's son; that, for their rebelling and their transgression. Arberry translation


Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses. Yusuf Ali translation


Are they not transgressing in the land again now?. They have been cursed eternally.


I know Jewry successfully brainwashed you. Aint surprised

Altiggya Master. You wish.

3nim:
Lol. Are you sure you didn't find my post offensive?

You know, (I want to believe you are African(?)), We respect our parents and those we know are elders so i find it offensive when a younger person is disrespectful to an elder, now as humans o. How much more God?
Even if you don't believe in Him, it's dangerous to be like that, because you may just find yourself standing before Him sooner than you think.

I think am also guilty in this, because i have no reason to be rude to Lucifer if Holy Angels are not.

As much as he is the enemy of Man, i don't have the right to deride him. i shd leave him to his creator.

Angel Michael never used any negative rude word against him when they met over Moses body.
Michael came to take it up to heaven, satan was there to take it down to Hades with him, but Michael only rebuked him in the name of YHWH, nothing else.

Rudeness shd not be found in my character no matter who am addressing, love shd.

Let's be careful about following the crowd.

3nim:
You mean for the power of God? What he can do and what he chooses not to do?

Yeah.

3nim:
You have already summed the whole story up though, by saying Good doesn't rule by popular demand. So I shouldn't expect him to do a thing just because I think it's the better way. Who am I to do that?

As much as His words are standard procedure, He still invites you into a round table talk in case you are not satisfied with what he has presented to you. He says you shd bring your strong reasons why you disagree and let us reason them together.

Isa 41:21.
You have already summed the whole story up though, by saying Good doesn't rule by popular demand. So I shouldn't expect him to do a thing just because I think it's the better way. Who am I to do that?

Isa 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

When you humble yourself, He listens and then explains, but with arrogance? you get nothing.

3nim:
That is the exact passage I have a problem with.

Okay, Let's look into it. lol.

If i tell you were i have my own problem with eh.
Yes, i have issues with certain things.

3nim:
My thought on this was: Why would God's law force require a rape victim to marry her attacker?

As a lady this law supports you. Unlike in Islam where a Lady is expected to produce 4men who witnessed her being raped, or she'll be stoned to death for lying against a man. imagine inviting 4 Men to watch you being raped so that you can have witnesses. smh.

When a woman gets raped, she becomes an anathema, a curse, damaged goods. No man will touch her ever again. Imagine the reproach? But the man goes on with his life without any worries, but you the lady remains in your fathers house, and in your father's house you get nothing in terms of inheritance.
Making the rapist marry his victim and keeps him married to her is Justice for the woman. because, he can not not defile her and leaves her for another man who will never touch her.

If the man found her appealing enough for sex, he shd find her appealing enough as a wife.

YHWH is a God of Justice. Allah is against women.

3nim:
So a man can pay a father for raping his daughter. It's like an advanced version of paying bride price.

This is bad even for my ears. I can't imagine this scenario. pls, spare me this. I can't deal with it.

3nim:
I don't see how this would be any worse for the attacker than it would be for the poor rape victim, who would have to spend the rest of her life with a rapist.

Who then will marry her, becos no other man will marry her. If she says no to the marriage, she leaves alone, worst case scenario, her family rejects her because of the stigma, where will she go? Maybe become a prostitute?

3nim:
I initially used the word "force" but you've made it clear that God doesn't force anyone.

No, He doesn't. We choose.

3nim:
God's word stands forever and ever, right? (Correct me if I'm wrong- maybe he decided not to stand by that testament anymore). That means that this law still applies today.
So I'm guessing any government or judge would be wrong four sending rapist's to prison. Instead they should collect the equivalent of 50 pieces of silver from him and get ready for a wedding.

Hahahahahahahahaha. Like i've said, We either choose to follow and obey or rebel and live with the backlash. Men believe they can administrate the earth better than the creator of the earth, so, He stepped back and is watching us mess ourselves up. But, when we get to where we can't go no further, when we cry out, He sends help. But we must do the crying first.

3nim:
I haven't actually thought of this before.

This will be long, but pls read it because there's a question there for you.


My dear, God never created Hellfire for any human being. It is rejection of Life that leaves man with death. Not physical death, but Spiritual.

Let me briefly explain why some men will end in hell, and that will be by their sole choice.

Let's go back to Eden and start from there.

Do you know what it means to be created in God's image and Likeness?

To understand that, you'd have to answer the question, Who is God?

The only person who knows YHWH enough to tell us who He is, is Jesus. And, in John 6:24, He told us that YHWH is a Spirit and that those who will worship Him most do so in Spirit too, not physically, because spirits answer to spirits, and flesh to flesh.

Now that we know who God is, the next question shd be, What or who is a Spirit?

A Spirit is first immortal (Lives forever), He is invincible (Indestructible), and invisible(Can not be seen with physical eyes).

What then is the image of God?
immortal, Invincible and invisible.

If this is the image of God, then it most mean that this is the image in which he created man.

What then is the Likeness of God in man? It is His consciousness, His creative abilities.

Gen 1:27 says YHWH created male and female and called them MAN. This happened in tje realm of the Spirit.
In Gen 2:7, we saw God taking the substance in the realm of the material (Mud), to give man a form, a physical body, because His intention was for man to dwell on earth,hence, Man needed a body to enable him interact with his environment.

YHWH the took the Spirit He had created in his image which was Spirit and put in the mud He had formed, there was an alignment or a sync between that Spirit and the formed body, Man rose up a human being and began to move about.

But, there he was with a mandate to dominate the earth, subdue it. procreate and fill the earth, but he had no consciousness to enable him recognise things around him, hence the Likeness was imputed to him.

When he was given Consciousness, he knew to name everything around

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Genesis:2:19

But when man rebelled against God, the link which connected him with God was removed, thus, Man was left without a Spiritual life source, hence, he died spiritually.

Without that connection, man became a mortal being, completely flesh, no Spirit. Now, if man dies without that Spirit, he is left outside of God's realm of dwelling.

This is why Jesus Came, to connect us back to that Life Source. And, we can connect back only if we connect to Him. (This is bringing tears to my eyes) What love the Master has for me?

When we connect to Jesus, our dead spirit gets resurrected. It's all to enable us enter the kingdom of God when we die because, no flesh can enter that kingdom, and Man is totally flesh.

Now, if you 3nim, die without that part of you alive, you can't enter the Kingdom, no one tells you where to.go, you just know. It's like a dress code, if you are not probably dressed, you don't go trying to gate crash.

Now, Christ is offering that life freely, but to get it you must drop the rebellion that satan instigated.

But, if you keep rebelling and died without the New Life only Christ can give, and you end up outside of God's kingdom, will you say God send you to Hellfire?

God sends no one to hellfire. Anyone who goes there chose to go there by rejecting eternal Life.
If you reject Life, what will you be left with?

3nim:
I never said Hell was created for humans, but it might (I'm sure you know me and misinterpretations by now) be written that human souls still go there.

Yes, the souls who will go there are those who insists on working against themselves, because, working against God is working against yourself.

Pls connect now, we have no guarantee for life. It is a temporal gift which was given without our consents and it will be taken without our consents too.

This is what we say and people say we threaten them with Hellfire. No, it's becos we have the revelation of these things, so we warn people to escape as we did.

Satan hates you, the reason is because, the same Sin you commit and are forgiven, is the sin he committed and hellfire was created for him. The only way he can hurt YHWH is to take you down to hell with him and make YHWH watch you burn in the same hell.

When i realized that when i sin, i take sides with satan against God, which will ultimately work against me, i made a conscious effort to stop.

No one takes fire to his chest, and not be burnt.

3nim:
well...


If I gave you a scientific explanation, would you think that of it as trash?


NO

BUTTTT
back to that my science...
You must have heard of in vitro fertilization (IVF)
The concept of it actually allows a child (an embryo) to be made outside a woman's body, by human Doctors. And then the doctors put the child into the woman's body...

Sometimes the IVF fails. Sometimes

Anyway, In a way, I can say that Life was made by men and a child was placed in the mother's body , by men.
It has been happening for years. I have actually wondered if God actually considers this a sin??



Am i that strong? or that wise?

It depends on where you are sometimes. Death rates are relatively low in countries like Singapore, Qatar, Finland, though not low enough, because it is death.

The way people die in Nigeria, would most times be avoided in these Countries.


That could be very correct.

IVF is artificial insemination which takes from already existing humans created by God. Pls i need a scientific laboratory human completely independent of any cell or tissue from a human.

You mean Men made life and placed it in a woman?
Are you really being serious or you are playing with me?

Are we talking about stopping death or controlling mortality rates?

I'm talking about conquering it totally.

Has Science discovered why we sleep?

We have a drug which can induce sleep, anyone to wake us from sleep?

My dearest, Scientists only try to understand why, and how of things. They can not do more than discover what is already there.

NO

BUTTTT
back to that my science...
You must have heard of in vitro fertilization (IVF)
The concept of it actually allows a child (an embryo) to be made outside a woman's body, by human Doctors. And then the doctors put the child into the woman's body...

Sometimes the IVF fails. Sometimes

Anyway, In a way, I can say that Life was made by men and a child was placed in the mother's body , by men.
It has been happening for years. I have actually wondered if God actually considers this a sin??



Am i that strong? or that wise?

It depends on where you are sometimes. Death rates are relatively low in countries like Singapore, Qatar, Finland, though not low enough, because it is death.

The way people die in Nigeria, would most times be avoided in these Countries.


That could be very correct.[/quote]

3nim:
If I gave you a scientific explanation, would you think that of it as trash?

No, i won't think it as trash if it's independent of any tissue or cell in an already existing human.
If the scientific explanation will be completely Scientific, i'll take it.

Empiree:
how long were the israelites exiled by God?

Oh, so you believe they were exiled? I thought they existed before.

Arabs went behind their backs to steal land.

Thieves.

Empiree:
And your point is.......?. It says Palestinians have shown interest in 2-state solution contrary to your statement that they aren't interested in a 2-state solution. Israel is simply not interested in any solution

Which year did the Palestinians accept the 2 state resolution?

jeruzi:
I am a Christian, and I do not believe in your prophecies. For me to believe your islam is the real religion, you have to clear a lot of questions. What you saw up there was to prepare your mind. Each question is well stated and not lumped like you state, but related to each other. Settle with the qustions and start your answers from your strongest point. You have time, defend your islam. The questions are before you.

You just pursue that one commot from here.

Empiree:
smh, see how you lumped everything together. Lord have mercy.

Which Lord? allah is not a merciful god, so which Lord?

Empiree:
The guy is insane. He was not despicable like this before.

Arabs are the insane ones who wants to steal someones property in broad daylight and they want to steal all of it. Here is Wiki, read and get sesne.

The two-state solution refers to a solution of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict which calls for "two states for two groups of people." The two-state solution envisages an independent State of Palestine alongside the State of Israel, west of the Jordan River. The boundary between the two states is still subject to dispute and negotiation, with Palestinian and Arab leadership insisting on the "1967 borders", which is not accepted by Israel. The territory of the former Mandate Palestine which shall not form part of the Palestinian State, shall be part of Israeli territory.

The framework of the solution is set out in UN resolutions on the "Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine", going back to 1974.[1][2][3] The resolution calls for "two States, Israel and Palestine … side by side within secure and recognized borders" together with "a just resolution of the refugee question in conformity with UN resolution 194". The borders of the state of Palestine are "based on the pre-1967 borders". The latest resolution in November 2013 was passed 165 to 6, with 6 abstentions.[4] The countries voting against were Canada, Israel, the United States, the Federated States of Micronesia, Marshall Islands, and Palau.[5]

The Palestinians have "shown serious interest" in a two-state solution since the mid-1970s, and its mainstream leadership has embraced the concept since the 1982 Arab Summit in Fez.[6]

Over the years, polls have consistently shown "respectable Israeli and Palestinian majorities in favor of a negotiated two-state settlement."[7]

There have been many diplomatic efforts to realize a two state solution, starting from the 1991 Madrid Conference. There followed the 1993 Oslo Accords and the failed 2000 Camp David Summit followed by the Taba negotiations in early 2001. In 2002, the Arab League proposed the Arab Peace Initiative. The latest initiative, which also failed, was the 2013–14 peace talks.

BeansAndBread:
Oya let's start from here, where was Israel in 1747? Was it in existence?

It's actually 1974 noy 1947.

3nim:
When I say following blindly, I mean:

*that they could be passive christians;
*they might only hold the christian faith (wheteher or not they go to church or read the Bible) because they were brought up in christian homes;
*they have not actually made a conscious and personal decision regarding their faith or belief;
*they only believe in what their parents did, and on what the people in the church do. And because almost everyone around them is christian;
*some of them actually have questions (I know a lot of this) they wonder if the great flood ever did happen, they wonder if God is actually real, they wonder a lot of things but they DO NOT look any further into the matter because they don't want to go to hell. (I am not making up this point)

Every day one of us crosses over, i guess when we also cross over, we shall know.

Apostle Paul said, Now we know things in part, but when we meet the Master, we shall know wholly as YHWH knows us.

Good luck as you wait for your time to come.

I hope i can squeeze out time to respond to the remaining points

3nim:
at pain and suffering, really.
5) God is all powerful?
(a) Why didn't he crush Lucifer them one time? Instead of letting him tempt his children....[/b]Like
(b) [b]In fact, he could have deleted sin from existence or made humans have no desire to sin. Why didn't he?

Yes, God is all Powerful. Meaning He has the prerogative to do any thing whenever, wherever, to whomever. He has the power to answer when you call, or ignore you. He can kill you and can save you. He can not be stopped by anyone.
He is the Lord of the Earth. No subject has the power to demand answers or explanations to the actions of the King in his territory.

The Earth is the Lords, and everything that is in it...
He has the sole right to destroy Lucifer, but He chose to leave him as long as He has determined.
But He didn't leave you at the Mercy of Lucifer

I wish you can open a thread for this point only.

God is all powerful, but, He put laws in place that will check even Him the Law giver, that's exactly what He did with Adam.

God put Adam in charge of the earth. All power and authority at his disposal, but what he (Adam) didn't have was restrain, control.
[b] You have the absolute power to do anything, but decides not to do it on your own volition.

God wanted Adam(Man) to learn control. And this has been man's problem till date. Control.

Immediately a man feels he can get away with anything, he goes wild.

e.g. The law says, Thou shall not steal, but hunger pangs are not removed from you. You are very hungry, you see someone's money which you can use to buy food, no one is watching, what ahd you do?

Shd you walk away or take the money?

Control. You are made a supervisor of your own self.

You wished Sin was deleted? But there was no Sin until Pride came in. Who will you blame for Sin, God or You?
God took up flesh to save you from Sin, in the Person of Jesus, you have rejected Him, but blame Him for the consequences of the actions you take.

Sin is a spiritual disease just like Cancer or HIV is a disease of the body. Leaving in Sin is like injecting yourself with infected blood, it will take over your immunity and eventually kill you.

This is something you do to yourself, you can't blame anyone for it.

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6a) Innocent people, children, CHRISTIANS die horribly daily.[b] Is this his will or is he waiting for the right number of people to die before he saves his children ?[/quote]hahahahahahahaha. If only you know that there's nothing like death to God or in the real sense of it.

My dear. what man calls dead or ceasing to exist on this plane is not what it is to YHWH. When you cease to exist here, you exist with Him or without Him.

And, Christians dying is a call yo return home. The Bible talks about us going home often.

Nobody dies, you just change realms.

3nim:
Now lets get to the smaller things
The whole contradictory book.
I don't understand how people keep reading it like it's all rosy and fine in there.

When that Book begins to speak back to you, you'd change your words. Until then...

The Word of God is alive and it speaks. When it begins to speak, an illumination you get from just one verse, if you pick a pen to write, you'd cover four fulls cap pages. It happens to me often.

3nim:
7) Does he have multiple personalities? God of love-God of war, God of vengeance-God of mercy. Vengeance and mercy stand on 2 opposite sides of the spectrum.

Lolzzzzzz. Wow. these are his attributes. His characteristics. not personalities.

3nim:
(8 ) Is the Bible 100% accurate? Could it really be God's or Jesus's words? Did the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John literally carry their "pen and paper" everywhere ? ...I mean you have quoted statement after quoted statement in the Bible.

About the Bible being accurate or not, you have already passed a no vote of confidence to it by calling it a story book and contradictory. Let's go further. No need dwelling on what you have condemned.

3nim:
10)(a) Explain God's take on rape and why I should understand it.

YHWH is not a Democrat. He doesn't rule by popular opinions. He explains nothing to anyone. He gives out an invitation, you are not interested? Find.

Personally. i know that YHWH is against Rape. If a man rapes a woman, that man is made to marry that woman and will not divorce her. He will bear the mark of shame and ridicule he brought to the lady.

3nim:
(b) Explain his take on me being able to sacrifice my own child willingly and blindly in obedience to him ( here I get the answer that God wouldn't give me a temptation that is too big for me. well...)

Does the child belong to you? Did you know how he got into you? Can you give anyone life?

Can you stop any calamity from happening to the Child by your strength and wisdom?

Have you not heard that Children are God's Heritage and he gives them to whomever He chooses?
No man can give life to another human, hence. the robots.
The Child you have it's a gift from God, that's why its called the fruit of the womb.

If Man can give life, then there would have conquered death.

3nim:
11) Do you believe that a LOOOOOOT of Christians are just afraid of hell?

Do you know that a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of people are sitting in church, but don't know the S in salvation if they saw it?
Why will anyone who is redeemed be afraid of going to Hellfire? Are they doubt of their salvation?

Where did they see that Hellfire is even created for human beings.

3nim:
12) [b]How can you really know that Jesus spoke to you or touched you or convince someone else of it? The usual answer here, is "I just feel it", which does not convince me. I'd like a writing on the wall, or a mark on my arm. Feelings fade sometimes. If I had the writing on the wall and someone else could confirm I am not hallucinating, then that would be awesome.

lolzzzz. Okay, keep waiting for God to do your Will.

3nim:
13) Why does it seem like God isn't keen on saving his children from the flames of hell

Which of His Children are you talking about?

3nim:
? If he were we would all be saved by now, tbh. Instead, he lets people do the work, he definitely knows they won't all succeed. Even when people seek him, they don't find him, contrary to his word in Matthew 7:7 (I held on to this so much)...there have been people who sought his presence or help in their lives. MOST did not get answers....The explanation I get to this is that the people don't seek long enough... okayyyy

I'm sorry to say this to you, but with your attitude, you can never hear God even if He spoke with megaphone.

You are proud, disrespectful, and arrogant towards God. Can you address your earthly father in this manner?

Let me finish with the Op before responding to other posts.