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hopefulLandlord:
Bros, park well

Someone who apparently has more faith in your Yahweh than you gave the challenge himself

Read the convo in OP and see

He was the first to lay the gauntlet

In short, atheist is not challenging your Yahweh

Someone who has untmost belief in Yahweh challenged the atheist

Don't get it twisted

Did you even read my post? I addressed him as well as you.

raphieMontella:
i'd like to refresh my brain..can u show me?(i really hope it is there)...
Back to business...exactly my direct place..there are a lot here for u..
The greek gods are now literature and used in only literature...i.e tthey are no longer worshipped because eyes were opened(if u dnt understand tell me...and dont say therefore they aint gods...dictionary meaning of gods is there)..so i dnt see them as demons...
Also on the prophecy issue...god told isiah the prophecy which he wud write down when god started having the intent of bringing his son to die for mankinds sin...so for u to say satan saw/know the prophecy seems as though satan is ominiscience possibly also ominipotent...uh?...also one big thing...the book of genesis was written by moses...nt by adam...so moses lived after the nephilim giants...this references my satan's ominiscience...
And if u now say god knows that he wud send his son to die for mans sins after creating man because he is ominiscience makes it seem that the fate of the world and all beings in it are planned and are going according to plan..lemme see iffa can break it well for u to grab...
The only way for an ominiscience god can know the fate of his creation is if he created them to be so...because if he knew how it wud end and not change its course then he is not ominipotent its and all loving...whats the need of creating when u knw the end of what u created and still condemn them for the end..them here is humans...pure logic..there's more questions to the ominipresence science and potence lemme end here..
Also..if u said nephilim giants are demons...then invariably demons can materialise..and demons are angels fallen angels..angels are emanations of god..they are more like god than humans are..this wud mean that god's emanations can mate with mere humans to procreate...invariably in a twisted manner u re saying that god mated with mary?...i was told he implanted jesus into her without contact...?
Also the occurrence of nephilium giants in the bible is plentiful..it is awkward than not a single nephilium giant fossil has been found bt we do find fossils of other large animals like dinosaurs...even neanderthals have been found a lot...neanderthals were never mentioned in the bible....ancient mman(i fink cave men at best description nt the cave man in ur kinda sense..jst google it...)
also on the noah's ark issue...
We have thrown it to the mud a lotta times...bt i can still kill it and do so again if u want..

There you go;
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Genesis:3:15

Is it that you don't see the gods as demons or they are not demons? According to you?

And what makes you think those gods are no longer being worshipped? In NL here, there are Zeus Worshippers.

When God was issuing out sentences in Eden was Satan there or not? Did he hear the Prophecy first hand or was it whispered to him?

For 40 days and nights Moses was on the Mountain with God, what do you suppose he was doing? Picking lice from Jehovah's head?
He was being shown what has been and what do hence forth.

Yes, everything was planned and going according to plan. Do you have a problem with that? Then what are you going to do about it?

Why haven't you asked yourself this? Things may have been planned for Adam to fall. Yes sin has entered the world and by extention, am a sinner.But, is the gift of redemption also part of that plan? If yes, why am I bitter, angry and rejecting what is offered to me for free?

If you had died without this info, then beyond the grave you realized it, your present stance would have been justified. But here you are, the Gift still thrust out at you, you reject it taking rebellious stance poised for a fight, you shall be Crushed sir, it's a matter of time.

The Omniscient knows the end from the beginning, It is his world, you belong to him, so however he wants you to be, you'd be. If he wanted you to be a Lizard or a tilapia, that's what you'd ve been. But he made you a male human, but you decided to be nothing, even animals are animals staying true to their nature.

He gave you consciousness, and a Will, and He submits Himself to that Will. Whatever you choose, He submits to you. What you choose is what you'll be.
The question again is? Why do you reject the Free gift?
Why are you angry at the Giver? If you can answer this questions, light'll shine on you.

You talked and also answered yourself. Nephilims where shapeshifters. They trans-mogrificate, trans-mutate. And they are trans-generatinal. They can take any form they so wish.
Today, they seem to be more in number that real humans on earth. Somany are here on nairaland pretending to be humans.

Watch Hollywood, they stylishly show you what is, but your mind is too small to grasp it.

Did the Bible call them anything other than fallen angels? And are fallen Angels not demons?

How can you use "mate with" and "implanted" at the same time. Pick one. What did God do? Mate with Mary or Implanted the seed in her womb?

You keep flip flopping. Fallen Angels can take any shape, they don't die, they are not material, they are spirits.
About Noahs Ark, bring it on.

ifenes:
when last was I trashed out of my skin on the religious department of Nairaland? I mean what is the point seeing lots of meme on a thread. You want me to debate a guy whose views are over 2000 years in the past ?

Hahahahahahahaha. Ifeness. His views are 2000 years old?
Aren't you the dude obsessed with The Legend of Gilgamesh? How old did you say it was again? You said it was far older than Abraham. And you so believe in it. Whose views are old now?
That thread is about the atheists of today, nothing about 2000 years ago. Show yourself there.

raphieMontella:
moral's didnt come from the bible or christianity or god or whatever...
Morals are concepts which many animals possess..the soul doesnt breed morals or consiousness its there in many other species..unless u say they also have a soul which i can still disprove u on ur soul..with or wwithout animals..jst human basics...
By saying u were born atheist..u were nt born into a distinct god..if it were so..all kids wud tend to grow towards that one god irrespective of religious background...if u and all humans were born as christians(if u say jesus's father is the tru god)then all children wwud long towards that one god before they are corrupted by religious backgrounds..
U may say free will...
Bt like u said kids are fragile as per the breast suckin issue so if he let kids to be so fragile and then blames them for being corrupted by the world as kids...is that mmaking sense?
This wud seem as per the case of adam to me...adam was a kid despite him being maybe in his twenties..eve was also a kid..yet he planted an evil tree in their midst and allowwed devil to roam free around them..he is ominipotent so he is supposed to know...
U may say he wanted to teach them control...if it is control then this equates the baby effect...u cant keep a knife around a baby and when the baby cuts itselff u spank,,curse and bruise the baby for it..its bad parenting and u need to do at lease a rehab section..
Also adam knew of the tree yet wasnt tempted by satan..satan chose eve..any reason?...probability?or was it the way it was planned since before man's creation?..or devil sensed a weaker being in eve(he's an angel..he's supposed to be able to do this frm modern day possessing etc)?
If it was a weaker being he sensed? Lets say perfect is 1...adam is 1/2 probably eve is 1/4..why didnt he create eve to be 1/2 also?...a creation mistake? Or t was the plan? And eve beinng weak fell for satan..man was better than eve bt still fragile..eve after eating the fruitt gained knowledge more than adam convinced adam and adam being that god created eve for him also trusts eve..and women were created with a design to entice men..so adam had little of a choice..or apparently no choice since he saw the fruit havin no harm/death on eve...
A perfect creator and an ominipotent one wud have seen all these flaws before hand....and if he saw them and knew it wud be so bt did ntin shows its according to his plan..

Pls Winner01 and KingEbukasBlog you guys come and ask this guy how morality got into a man who according to them evolved from Bacteria. A man with no purpose, why does he need morals?
This guy says animals have morals. I know right?
No wonder the atheists are having sex with animals believing they fall under the same class.

And, my dear. I was hoping you'd tell me how morality got into a toddler, but instead you went rattling about Adam and Eve, Still God's creatures. The creation you don't believe in.

raphieMontella:
40-60 days aint far...
We wud see the outcome..
Eida we are put to shame..or u are...

Who cares No one, I mean no one calls The Only Potentate to a Challenge. Jesus says "If you fall on him, you will be broken into peices, but if He falls on you, you'll be grinded into dust".

The OP calling this challenge is against the Scriptures. God may or may not honour him. Whether God honours him or not doesn't change the fact that Jehovah remains supreme. The Immorttal the invisible. The Insurmountable. The Governor of all the Nation's, sitting upon the circle of the earth, the inhabitants moving like grass hoppers before him. Taking the whole earth in the palm of his hands as though a drop of water from a bucket.
He rules in the affairs of men, Setting up Kingdoms and overthrowing Empires. Determining the course of dynasties.
Enquire and let the greatest Emperor(Nebuchadnezzar) who ever lived tell you the greatness of our God.

Guy, you are a twerp in your family. Your voice is like that of an Ant. Who do you command and your orders gets carried out? If you can't command your father, you think in your little feeble mind you can command the Ancient of Days? Keep dreaming.

dalaman:
You are just afraid that it will fail. When car manufacturers make claims about their newly invented cars and display it for the public, do you see anybody denying it? Why will I even deny the fact of seeing the amputated arm of a child I know being restored? You guy easily give yourselves out because you know deep down that your belief is false. Jesus we are told in the bible promised those of you the ability to do greater things than he did. We will put it to test and see if it is true. Any excuse shows that you do not believe in what you are saying?

Dalaman, all your entire generation both dead and alive put together can't give God instructions.
Just like Satan, you keep fooling yourselves. He didn't answer Satan what makes you think He will answer you his followers? He doesn't answer to anyone, Not all of you put together. When you done here, you'll certain meet Him, wack your mouth here, when you die, you'll stand before him.

KingEbukaNaija:
Anas09 just gave a testimony similar to this. EXPLAIN IT AWAY as usual . Bad business ko . Christ already healed Marcus' ear that was cut off ,healing an amputee is nothing .

My dear, ignore Dalaman. The flying Spaghetti has got his senses.

dalaman:
I don't believe in hear say. You have the ability to heal amputees. Come join naijadeyhia as well on the date we will fix and show us that restoring the arms of Ana amputee is nothing. No more endless claims on nairaland. Just come and shown is that it is real and shut us up forever.

Oh Dalaman, we have nothing to proof to you. Am saying to you all, keep your unbeliefs, they don't change a single thing. The OP wasted his time on you guys.
Btw, am still waiting for you to introduce me to your flying Spaghetti God. Funny dude.

nwamehn:
I really wonder why u couldn't make any sense from the deterocanonical books, anyways, that's by the way. My exact point, Anas is that those books don't in anyway contradict the old and new testaments. I've read them, they also reflect and portray what the old and new testaments represent, just as Rhapsody of Realities, Christian Women Mirror, Redeemed Christian Mission Devotional Guide and other christian books portray.

ARE YOU SEEIOUS? Are you really sure you have read them? Are you sure?
Okay sir. What were the Critarias used in picking the books of the Bible, both Old and New Testament?
That's said. Pls let's discuss the Book of Tobit.
You have read right?
Pls tell the House what Tobit is about.

Drinkwater06:
Trust me, I will believe Anna's testimony if naijadehia miracle is successful.

Don't believe, please don't eh? See person.

AbuTwins:
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POINT OF CORRECTION...I DONT BELIEVE IN KILLING ANYONE AND SO ALSO ANY MUSLIM IN THEIR RIGHT SENSES. I LIVE IN THE SOUTHWEST AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN MUSLIMS KILLING CHRISTIANS, SO I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT PROPAGANDA.... NOW THE NEXT QUESTION I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ANSWER IS FOR YOU TO ASK JESUS (IF HE TRULY KNOWS WHAT U CLAIM HE KNOWS) TO TELL YOU THE HOUR!!! THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT....

You are not a Muslim. A Muslim must follow Muhammed, and anyone who doesn't follow that criminal is not a Muslim, so shift. Let muslims talk.

ifenes:
To go to his thread and discus about a Jewish religion? Or to go there and see childish memes? I don't have that time sorry.

See Ifeness. What are you doing here right now? Is it not about the same Jewish religion you're yammering about? You won't go there for obvious reasons, you'll be trashed out of your skin.

raphieMontella:
anyway u want it...be it on a christian aspect or on an atheist aspect..i'd still show u that the simple things in life/ anytin in life are the real foundations of life and anytin in life...
..u dnt even know how to classify religions and yett u rant abt...abeg swerve...
Scriptures that i can ridicule like its a cartoon channel?
Or scripture and facts that i can make u see the difference between ur acclaimed christianity and catholic christians #why christians wud still be catholics or iono how to put it to ur level of understanding..
Im based on logics..
We are all born atheists...
So i wasnt lost to atheism...rada u were born an atheist and lost to christianity

Is that what you tell yourself to make you feel good about yourself, or Richard Dawkins told you that?

In your mind, you have said something very smart.
In atheism there's no sense of right and wrong. But no one taught you to steal, no one told you stealing was wrong, but as a little child, you still hide to steal. You were born atheist? When mum suckled you, you'll look at her, knowing quite well, if you bit her, she'll hurt, yet you'll press your gums together on her nipper and bite her, she's screams out, you breakout and laugh. Who told you what you did was wrong? It's innate. You were born atheists?

Am waiting for you to ridicule the scriptures like cartoon channel.
Why do I need to class religions? Am a christian and that's what I will talk about.

raphieMontella:
u seem not to get the basic idea...
Hercules existed before isiah's prophecy...

And you didn't see Jesus prophesy in Genesis?
What do think made Satan release Nephilims to have sex with humans? Was it not to contaminate the seed through Christ shd come? What caused Noah deluge?

Blackfire:
and when u hit then on the head... They screech, scream to seun or the MODs .. The next thing u see is ban.

Infact this is corruption ...am calling EFCC

I opened a thread asking Seun if Christians shd leave his Nairaland forum because of this (I don't know what to call it) injustice will be putting it mildly. But that thread never the light of day.
I think a particular MOD was unto me. I was being monitored and was getting bans like no man business. One thing is, I don't give two hoods. Am helping Seun stay in business, yet he is shakaraying everywhere. Blogs are opening everywhere. The Wall of Jericho never believed it could come down. It came down.

raphieMontella:
frm ur context then it means existing gods were copied frm pre-existing ones..
I.o.d jesus was pro'lly copied frm krishna?
Or maybe hercules? ..
Both stories have similarities tho..nt as extravagant as some budhahists(if thats the spelling) claim etc...
Thats what u imply

Or they were or still are demons working overtime. You forgot Jesus was prophesied and Satan knew it. What did you think he would do? Sit up doing nothing? No, he didn't. From across the world where he had send demons representing him, being worshipped by men, he came up with a replica of Jesus, in their own context so that when the real Jesus will appear in the scene, he will have something to say to keep his prisoners under wraps.
But the differences is that, the real Jesus came, he took over the world. Satan quickly went to the Arabs with the same trick, giving them a kind of Jesus too, only this one is Carricaturish.

Guy, when you are ready for us to have this discussion, come with your hands full of the prophecies made by these other Jesus' or their replicas. we will check which has been fulfilled, which is being fulfilled, and the yet to be fulfilled. That's how we will know the true and a living God.

raphieMontella:
ignorance here is u claiming the next pope to be a non christian...
U need to know what christianity is on a molecular level first..before sayin tins

An atheist wants to teach me Christianity at the molecular level.
Another lost Catholic to atheism.
Guy, anytime you are ready for this lesson, am up for it, make no mistake about it. And you had better come up armed with scriptures, cos I don't talk out of context.

raphieMontella:
m nt even a christian..so i see noo reason why t wud pain me..
M only face palmed that u clearly have no idea of what u argue about...

O yea. You are not a christian, yet you know more about Christianity than me? Gerrarahia mehhhnn

Empiree:
May God save me from your ignorance. You simply dont know the meaning of the prayer for entering and exiting the bathroom. Shaking my head for you people. It is very simple. if you not comfortable with it leave it. Doesnt mean you have to mock. I dont have problem with it

Here is less than 2 mins video in Yoruba. Besides, no one forces you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYiiTw2-kw

English version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8gCZy-eMYs


Simple. dont know what your fuse all about. I do this everyday. Your problem is you people have abandoned your religion. You are protestant holding on to a shell.

This oko oko said we have left Islam our religion. [color=#006600][/color] I feel like smelling my hand for just typing this to you. Eww.

Empiree:
Honestly, i dont know how u people think. Irrelevant responding to you guys sometimes. Before i can respond to her, she will need to provide Source which is something you and others failed to do. It is clear from the write that there are individual opinion injected and mixed with Islamic sources.

Second, common sense tells you Islam is teaching about cleanliness something Christianity doesnt teach you. The only thing you can come up with is this is "MODERN World". Islam cover ALL aspects of LIFE.

Until she provides a source, i wont bother with op.

Now, can you please tell us in your religion how to clean yourself after bathroom, before entering bathroom, etc according to your RELIGION?

You mean cleanliness of using sand or stone to clean your behind wen u poo? This guy has lost it completely.

Empiree:
Tell us how Paul taught you to clean up after yourself

Ah, this person. Treat the Ops. Na waooo

joseff14:
Even if he goes to your church and nothing happens (which am very sure of) there's no guarantee that you won't use one of your ludicrous ploy to vindicate yourself as the case of your failed prophecy.
The only thing LORD CHOOSEN can do is to shout fire fire fire, which will eventually weaken the foundation of their church consequently resulting in its collapse. Have actually witness two of their building collapsed. You wan go kill otem for your church abi

Let him go first nah

otemdomino:
I thought your god is omnipresent. Are you trying to restrict him to a particular geographical location? Nairaland is a neutral place where the whole world can see us if they so wish. So let's do everything hear. Your god who told you I'll beg for bread and lose everything I possess(including my tablet and accommodation and money), he failed WOEFULLY and everyone here sees it.

Why can't you ask your god to give you another prophecy about me and we'll all be watching again to see if it is being fulfilled. If I come to LORD'S CHOSEN, how will you know that I came or I didn't come?

Otem, dodn't be clever, take the challenge. Proof that Yahweh is powerless. Go to Chosen.

hopefulLandlord:
SHUT UP!!!

there's no challenge for Otem to take up, I thought your skydaddy is everywhere? Why then does Otem need to leave his present place and go to your gathering? Are you now proving that your Pathetic excuse of a god is not as omnipresent and omnipotent as you're making him out to be?

Oh and before you pull the old trick of the God of the "new testament" doesn't do that anymore, it should be pointed out that the "Centurion" said your Jesus should just "send his word" and he sent it

You prophesied evil and failed, you begged for money instead of the person you prophesied about; if that hasn't convinced you that your Skydaddy is as powerless as Otem is making him out to be, nothing will

now you want to lure him to your church and kill him?

Who would like to be in the midst of Chosen members? Maybe to give them alms since Chosen congregation have the most number of hungry looking members

Their pastor sells vests to them that would repel attacks from the enemy; this same pastor then has huge number of bodyguards; what does he need bodyguards for if the vests work so well?

Eat the humble pie bro

Its not too late to accept Domino Reverad into your life

Leave your "powerless" god

Why are you scared eh? Take the challenge. Christians don't kill people.
Even you, take the challenge. Monkey dey call God boo, because God all allow am tree.
It's only to hide in NL and yap. Take the challenge, if the demons in you won't jump out and set you free.

Jay542:
Heap the Suras.

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Blackfire:
he caved... And gave them a cave

Exactly. He Caved and gave them a cave, yet the Cave dwellers can't stay in their cave, they are here running around like Street Urchins stealing threads.

AbuTwins:
WHEN JESUS WAS ASKED ABOUT THE HOUR, HE SIMPLY REPLIED.....

MARK 13:32

New International Version
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.


MATTHEW 24:36 (NIV)
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

I THINK GOD SHOULD KNOW EVERYTHING....

Mr Muslim. Let's look at certain things here. Jesus prophesied about stuff which will take place. His followers came to him asking to know when the world shall come to an end. He says, that information was privy to the father alone. But he gave them clues, what to look out for towards the end. Does that tell you that he didn't really know? That Information was only kept from his part of humanity.
Now he is gone back up, he has that info.

He told his disciples what to do, he told them he'll come back for them. He knew where he was going, he was sure he would come back again.
He told us what to expect.
Did he say by that time we will hated by all the nations of the earth? Yes,
Are we? Yes.
Did he say we shall be hated and killed for his name sake? Yes, are we? Yes.
Did he say those who will kill us, will think they are doing God a service? Yes. Are you killing us thinking Allah is God and are doing it for Allah? Yes. These are the issues that matter.

Now tell us a little about Muhammed's assurance. Did he know where he was going? No.
What eternal assurance do you have? None
Do you deep down believe that killing me will take you to heaven? That won't be Yahwehs heaven.
Do You seriously believe they are virgins in heaven? You'd have to have your mind examined if you do.

truthmans2012:
What we are as Christians required to believe is that Jesus is the Son of God. There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (your unbelief in this matters nothing). There is the role of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Period !!!

We do not require to believe, that is what it is.
Even if Jesus knew that information he won't reveal it. It was classified.

ifenes:
Jesus is an hybrid of many guys. The name Jesus never even existed in Hebrew. How could this hybrid know anything?

You snuck in here to talk Bull, Winner101 mentioned you in his thread, am still expecting to see you there, but nay, with your tail in between you legs, you ran.

Jay542:
Where please? Be very specific of the Suraa and Verse.

Read my post again. You brought up a Pastor imprisoning his son, and I said, show me where Jesus enjoined him to do so, and I will heap on Suras on your head. Go ahead.

raphieMontella:
stupidity is when one chooses tto speak on what he/she has no/negligible /microscopic knowledge of...
Bunch of stupid christians everywhere

E pain am

raphieMontella:
jst being silly cs one chooses to be ignorant and accepts sillyness wholeheartedly

What is the ignorance here Mr Smart guy?