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Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 6:16am On Mar 28, 2017

The Word of the Lord stands above everything. As he has set It forth in the Message, thus must it remain. Nothing of it may be altered. The final edition alone is valid. Earlier versions were meant for the time when the LORD was still sojourning with us and there was hope that everything would yet change. The LORD Himself recognised that this hope would not materialize; therefore He – only He could do it – has given His Work that form which we possess today.

Therefore these earlier writings are no longer to be spread. They are to be preserved on the Mountain as a legacy.

Those who ever again quote words and statements of the LORD ought to realize the dangers arising for themselves and those to whom they speak of them irrespective of the uncertainty whether these utterances were as they are being recounted. Remember they were meant for those to whom they were made. Not for those who hear them today. Remember the warnings in the lecture: “Christ said”. The Word of the Message alone is authoritative for all. In it the LORD said how man should be, and how he must live.

The Festivals are the high points in the life of Crossbearers. The LORD has instituted them and decreed how they are to be celebrated. The lectures and words for individual Acts are clearly and unmistakably laid down, and must remain that way.

The Mountain is always to be the earthly centre. For thousands of years destined to be the place of the Light-anchorage on earth, it must also be protected by the Cross-bearers. Consider that the LORD lived here, and that here He found His earthly resting place.

But for you who have found the support in the Word of the Message, the connection upwards is easier to find, and everyone who feels linked with the Grail knows that here on the Mountain he has found his true home.

“I intend to make the Grail Settlement on Vomperberg, Tirol, into a sanctuary of peace, a source of spiritual strength for all who sincerely seek it.” (My Goal, 1936)

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 6:08am On Mar 28, 2017

[/quote]Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by kenel: 9:40pm On Jul 25, 2016
Where do I get the 1931 edition to buy?
Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by kenel: 9:43pm On Jul 25, 2016
.@justcool Where can I get the 1931 edition to buy?

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 7:06am On May 29, 2016

Justcool

Congratulations! May God bless you and your son with good health wealth and joy to fulfill your ambitions! Our very best wishes are with you!

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 2:03pm On Apr 13, 2016

I very much appreciate the above post. Thanks and regards to Justcool

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 2:00pm On Apr 13, 2016

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justcool:
@ Tobakunn

Thanks for your questions. They are not infantile; hence I will share my perceptions.
As you already know, we are in the end times and so many people are going through judgment. The rays of light have enveloped the earth, indeed every individual, forcing everything to reveal or judge itself. Hence, the earth today is like a farm that has been enriched with fertilizer, with makes everything to grow fast and bear fruit; both the good and the bad, both the delicious and poisonous plants, all must bear fruit and thereby reveal its kind. The resultant is the earth as we have it today, where we see men of evil volition as has never been seen before and also those of good volition.
Imagine the aforementioned farm where every plant grows fast and bears fruit due to added nutrition; a child who does not know about farming, on seeing such a situation, may get depressed since he observes even the unwanted, poisonous and useless plants growing fast along with good ones. However, a knowing one knows that in this lies a great blessing because in bearing fruits, the plants reveal what they are to the farmer or gardener, who will then uproot the unwanted and useless ones. Hence today and as judgment progresses evil will reveal itself more and more; it cannot longer hide in darkness or appear like the good plants thereby making it more difficult for the gardener to decided whether to uproot it or not; it must bear fruit. And by their fruits you shall know them! Before, people can harbor evil in their hearts and pretend to be good on the outside; today and as times progressing, it is becoming more impossible. Hence we see people openly and unashamedly doing evil. This situation may be depressing to some, but to one who knows the laws of creation it indeed shows the nearness of the approaching era of peace, when all the weed must have been sifted out of the farm.
It is unfortunate that the evil and poisonous plants mainly attack the good ones, but one should not despair on this account. Indeed today, it appears as if people of good volition are targets for mockery, scourge, attacks etc. But one should not allow oneself to be pulled down to the level of the verminous ones who know nothing other than to shout “Crucify Him!” You must never allow yourself to degenerate to hating others, or holding malice against others no matter what they put you through, otherwise you will be counted among them. One must try and bear everything calmly, assured that the power of God reigns supreme in the end.
I used to be angry about certain things that I see around me and some things that people have put me through. Then I realized that that which makes one angry about his neighbor is also inside oneself too. Christ taught us this, when He said, as reported in Gospel, “How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye?” From then on, whenever I see something, be it the actions of my fellow human beings, that get me upset, I ask myself, “what weed inside resonates with this action?” Because anger towards anything is a kind of resonance towards that thing, it betrays certain homogeneity towards that thing; if I have no such faults, then they will not make enough impression on me as to make me angry; they will not disturb my peace even when they are directed at me. This is why Jesus and the son of man were able to remain calm and unaffected in the face of the venomous crowd that was throwing all sorts of false accusations in their path. And when you succeed in weeding out such faults in you, you will observe that you do not get angry anymore when you see others exhibiting such faults. Even when it’s directed at you, you will still hold your peace.
I used to be filled with sadness and despair about so many things, till I realize that even sadness and despair will lead one to darkness if care it not taken. This is a period for firm trust in God, and this always results in certain in peace and joy irrespective of the material situation around you.
You do not have to feel sad or depressed about the situation of the world or about people going astray. Just work on yourself and calmly let others follow their chosen path. This is not passivity, as it may sound to some. Indeed it is the most decisive thing to do. By learning from their mistakes and making sure you don’t have such faults you in, you have given them the greatest help a human being can give without saying a word to them. I have already mentioned this in this thread. As you work on yourself, you draw more light to your environment, making light available to those still struggling with darkness. This is how you help them, without knowing it and without them knowing. You need not go about preaching to people to become good or draw nearer to God; indeed you need not say a single word to your neighbor. This does not mean that you should keep quite when approached with questions. When approached with questions, always unapologetically state the absolute Truth; but calmly allow others to accept or reject it without being upset with them.
I wish you strength.
Thanks and remain blessed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 9:18am On Dec 16, 2015

Hello just wanted to share the following for your information from the grailmessage.com website:

The Evolution of the Work
IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH
The Grail Message

– Final Authorized Edition –

“This essay is intended as a support for readers of the work In the Light of Truth:
The Grail Message on a very specific issue. There is much in cyberspace as well
as in writings about this inestimable spiritual work. There are also now different
views and interpretations on many aspects of the work.

One such point of discussion concerns how the Grail Message was composed by the
author. This essay aims to provide a useful basis for a systematic individual introspection
on this question. Here, we mainly attempt to highlight key stages in the
evolution of the work. As a first step, any meaningful discussion should be based on
the facts of history, and not on suppositions.

This chronology has taken an important dimension because, in relatively recent
times, some have deemed it necessary to encourage debate about which of the
author’s writings should be accepted as his Message and which others should not.
Unfortunately, such efforts often constitute distractions. The earnest seeker needs all
the time at his or her disposal to concentrate on the more critical and urgent spiritual
matters addressed by the work itself.

The author of the Grail Message stated:

“Genuine faith lies only in conviction, and conviction comes solely
through an inflexible weighing and examining!”

An inflexible weighing can only be predicated on the solid foundation of facts, not
on conjectures, and not on emotions.

The author further warns that we must avoid using extraneous aids in the form of
the ready-made opinions of others. This means that every reader must hold him or
herself accountable for coming to an informed conclusion on all meaningful questions.

The following are therefore the important phases as the work In the Light of Truth:
The Grail Message evolved:

1. “Gralsblätter, Serie I” (“Grail Papers, Series I”)

Oscar Ernst Bernhardt began to write and deliver his lectures as early as 1920.
The first effort at coordinating these lectures into booklet form was in 1923.
Between 1923 and 1924, Herr Bernhardt published 7 booklets containing 43
lectures. These booklets are referred to as the Gralsblätter, Serie I (“Grail Papers, Series I”).

2. “In the Light of Truth: The New Grail Message” by Abdruschin (1926)

In 1926, Abd-ru-shin published his first full book of lectures: Im Lichte der
Wahrheit – Neue Gralsbotschaft, by Abdruschin. In English, the title translates
into “In the Light of Truth: The New Grail Message”.
This first version of the Grail Message contains 43 lectures.
This book was published only in the German language.
39 out of the 43 lectures which appeared in Gralsblätter, Serie I were included in
this first book version.
The following 4 lectures from Gralsblätter, Serie I were excluded:
Live!
The great mystery
Redemption
Before Abraham was, I Am

The author added 4 new lectures, retitled some, and also rearranged the sequence
of lectures in this 1926 version.

3. “Gralsblätter, Serie II” and “Der Ruf” (“The Call”)

Between 1926 and 1930, the author published 24 additional lectures as Gralsblätter,
Serie II. These lectures appeared in 3 booklets.
In 1927, the new periodical Der Ruf (“The Call”) was established.
14 lectures appeared in Der Ruf between August 1927 and June 1929. The
author also provided answers to questions asked through this forum.
In effect, a total of 38 lectures were published by the author between 1926 and
1930. These were all published in Gralsblätter, Serie II and Der Ruf.

4. “In the Light of Truth: Message from the Holy Grail” by Abdruschin (1931)

In 1931 Abd-ru-shin published the second version of the Grail Message. As
may be recalled, the title of the 1926 edition was In the Light of Truth: The New
Grail Message by Abdruschin.
The 1931 version was titled In the Light of Truth: Message from the Holy Grail by Abdruschin.
There were 91 lectures in the 1931 edition. The 1931 edition also included a
new epilogue as well as appendices.
The first of the appendices was the work The Ten Commandments of God and the
Lord’s Prayer. This title had previously been separately published as a booklet in 1929.
In addition, the author included the lecture Life as the last of the appendices.
The 91 lectures in the 1931 edition came from the following sources:
All the 43 lectures published in the 1926 book edition
3 lectures from Gralsblätter, Serie I which were not published in the 1926 edition
20 lectures from Gralsblätter, Serie II
3 new lectures which had been transposed from answers to questions published in Gralsblätter, Serie II
13 lectures from Der Ruf
8 new lectures
1 lecture from the 1929 booklet The Ten Commandments of God and The Lord’s Prayer
Therefore the author added new lectures, edited and retitled some, and he also rearranged
the sequence of lectures in this book.

5. “Nachklänge Zur Gralsbotschaft, Band I” von Abdruschin
(“Reverberations of the Grail Message, Volume I” by Abdruschin)

Abd-ru-shin continued to publish new lectures after the compilation of the
“large” edition of the Grail Message in 1931 (as did happen after the publication
of the first edition in1926).
Between 1931 and 1934, a total of 59 lectures were published. Each of these lectures
was numbered as in a series.
In 1934, Abd-ru-shin compiled these lectures into the book Nachklänge Zur Gralsbotschaft, Band I
(the approximate English translation is “Reverberations of the Grail Message, Volume I”).
Two new lectures not in the previously numbered series were included in this
new book. The lectures are Unsubstantiate and How the Message should be absorbed.
This work was published in the German language only. It was never published
in any other language.
As occurred in his previous books, Abd-ru-shin added new lectures, edited
and retitled some other lectures, and he also rearranged the sequence of many
of the lectures in this publication.

6. The last series of numbered lectures and lectures published in “Die
Stimme” (“The Voice”)

Between 1934 and 1937, 38 individual lectures were further published in a
numbered series by Abd-ru-shin. Many of these lectures were first produced as
duplicated copies. Later, Abd-ru-shin revised the lectures and published them
as individual lectures for sale. The lectures retained their individual serial
numbers in these revised versions.

After publishing Nachklänge Zur Gralsbotschaft, Band I in 1934, deteriorating
conditions in Europe prevented Abd-ru-shin from publishing any other books
right up to the time of his departure in December 1941.

In addition to the 38 numbered lectures, Abd-ru-shin published 10 other lectures
in the periodical Die Stimme.
Abd-ru-shin was detained in March 1938 and extradited to Germany, where he
resided until December 1941.

Abd-ru-shin’s family – Frau Maria Bernhardt, Herr Alexander Bernhardt,
Fräulein Irmingard Bernhardt, and Frau Elisabeth Vollmann – all lived with
him throughout this trying period, and they were with him when he departed
the earth in December 1941.

By any standard, Abd-ru-shin’s family lived closest to him throughout his sojourn
on earth, but especially during the last 4 years.
As a matter of recorded history, Abd-ru-shin was officially denied contact with
readers of his Grail Message by the Gestapo although we know that a few associates
were able to visit him under difficult conditions (he was under constant surveillance).

All members of the family affirm that Abd-ru-shin reorganized his work into
the 3 volumes which we now know as the “Final Authorized Edition”.

A few readers have raised questions regarding the Final Authorized Edition.
The arguments and suppositions proffered by this group are however based
on individual deductions. Those who make these contrary claims have no
communication from the author denying the Final Authorized Edition.

Finally, the following should again be noted:

The author excluded previously published lectures in the Final Authorized
Edition, just as he did in both the 1926 and the 1931 editions.
He edited and retitled lectures in the Final Authorized Edition, just as
occurred in both the 1926 as well as in the 1931 editions.

He rearranged and sequenced lectures differently in the Final Authorized
Edition, just as he did in the 1926 as well as in the 1931 editions.”

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So it is fact that Abd-ru-shin Himself prepared the printing draft of this Final Edition and instructions
for its publication and entrusted the same to his family members, which are presently available in
the Grail Administration office but one should not expect the person responsible there to make an
exhibition of the same, especially when these He prepared for Irmingard ONLY, who used to work
as His secretary.

If anyone still has doubt he should travel to the Mountain and meet there one elderly Crossbearer,
Mr Kargar who used to work in the Irmingard’s office and is still living on the Mountain. He will confirm all
the above facts and clarify all your doubts with documentary proofs.

As regards certain contradictions in the Message, I have already mentioned earlier that there is no contradictions
at all in the Grail Message but it can be some readers inability to understand certain descriptions in the Message.
Like in lecture 52 (I am resurrection ..) readers are not keeping in mind that the machinery of Creation is not made
of rigid iron but of living forms and beings,
who will never completely disintegrate earth if some pure and mature human spirits are living on it, but will pull it up
so that it passes above the funnel of disintegration and will purify it differently as we read in this lecture and
also know about it from the various prophesies about emerging and submerging of certain countries in future.

So I think we should not look for faults in others, much less in the family members of the Lord, but only in ourselves. And if someone goes to the extent of blaming Maria and Irmingard, then most probably he is not talking himself, this can come only from the Darkness.

With my very best wishes to all the readers of the Message and Very Happy Festival time.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 9:44am On Oct 31, 2015

I feel the same way and thank Justcool for his answers and help to the readers of the Grail Message.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 9:42am On Oct 31, 2015

[quote author=Tobakunn post=39292133]@Justcool,

Gratitude for your reply. The insight and clarity with which you dissect questions and provide appropriate responses are admirable. I thank the Lord for bestowing you with such knowledge so as to be able to help those of us who desire to know and I also thank you for your assistance by answering our questions. Thank you. If I have any more questions, I'll be sure to post them here for such comprehensive replies. Gratitude, once again.

Peace and blessings to you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 3:13am On Sep 03, 2015

Justcool

I am sorry for writing your name Mr Nwankwo instead of Mr Justcool in my previous post.

Here it is only a case of using wrong words “aforementioned sporadic” in place of “below mentioned sporadic”, but no contradictions.

However if you have found any other contradictions in the final edition, please let us know.

Warm regards,

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 7:38am On Sep 02, 2015

justcool:
@ Shinealight
I didn’t intend to say anything to you by that.
I saw your post concerning my explanation to anna7 and after reading it I felt no urge to reply at that time, since my explanation already said it all, and I would not like this fine thread to degenerate to a thread for argument.
All I can say to you is that you decided to see the disintegration talked about in the added verses as the premature one; this is totally your choice and not perchance what the text suggested.
The original text, described disintegration of matter that comes when matter has reached a certain stage in its evolution, and which must proceed irrespective of the condition of the inhabitants of the terrestrial globe in question. All through the lecture it was describing the unalterable process; nowhere in that lecture did it mention premature disintegration that the incarnation of the son of man prevented.
The added verse said that the AFORE-MENTIONED periodic disintegration was only due to the fault of man! AFORMENTIONED means that which has been mentioned already in the lecture. However in the lecture the aforementioned was described as a process that must proceed irrespective of the condition of the inhabitants!
If you don’t see that contradiction, it is totally your choice. You just decided to do away with the obvious contradiction by accepting that the added text was talking about the premature disintegration that could and was avoided. However, the added verse said, AFORMENTIONED!!! It didn’t introduce the premature disintegration, rather it continued to explain the disintegration that was already introduced and explained in the lecture, but then it gave a contradictory explanation of it.
There are two types of disintegration, or two causes of disintegration. One is caused as a natural consequence and is unalterable and must proceed irrespective of the condition of the inhabitants of the globe. The other is the premature one caused by the condition (sins) of the inhabitants of the concerned globe.
The lecture mentioned and described the first one as something that must happen when its stage is reached irrespective of the condition of the inhabitants of the concerned globe, and later it was added to the lecture that the[b] AFORE-MENTIONED[/b] disintegration was a consequence of the sins of man.
It is surprising that some people don’t see the contradiction; what’s more surprising is that some people chose to believe that the added verse was talking about the premature type of disintegration even though it clearly said, THE AFORE-MENTIONED!
If the added verse had said, “In addition to the afore-mentioned, there is another cause of disintegration…” that would have corresponded to the Truth.
Also, if an individual believes that the added verse is talking about the premature disintegration, then that’s enough evidence to such an individual that the added verse was not authored by the same author! Otherwise the author would have known or remembered the type of disintegration he described in that lecture, and would not have contradicted himself by saying, “THE AFORE-MENTIONED…”
The choice is yours.
Thanks and remain blessed.

Dear Mr M Nwankwo
You have very rightly mentioned in your post that “If the added verse had said, “In addition to the afore-mentioned, there is another cause of disintegration…” that would have corresponded to the Truth.” And this is what has been said in the added verse. I am quoting this passage for our reference from the revised edition:
“The afore-mentioned sporadic disintegration of all matter at a certain definite point in its cycle is a consequence of the fact that the human spirit seed-grains, which have the capacity to make a free decision, are permitted to develop in the Worlds of Matter”.
The word periodic has now been replaced by sporadic. In fact we can imagine that the English translator is not sure how to say what is written in German. So the problem is with the translation and not with the Message.
As per me there is no contradiction at all in the final edition otherwise in the last 65 years of its existence; it would have been pointed out much earlier. Not now. We should also not think that we are more mature more responsible now than the called ones who helped in editing printing and publishing this edition.
You will find all such rumors are being spread by those who badly failed at the time of Abd-ru-shin and are again here on earth. They are here only because they cannot return, you know why. So one should trust only trustworthy people and not everyone, like Incas done.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 9:32am On Dec 19, 2014

You may visit the following link where you will find your above question replied in detail:

http://grailmessage.com/en/about/the-book/

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 9:29am On Dec 19, 2014

jom28gy:
What is grail message all about?

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 9:44am On Dec 11, 2014

Justcool

Yes, you are right, The Grail Message cannot be distorted and I believe that it has not been distorted. So far I know no one has added or deleted anything from it. I have met two persons on the Mountain who have earlier worked with Irmingard in Her office and they have confirmed that it was only Abdrushin who has created the Final Edition. They both are matured and elderly cross-bearers, no reason to doubt their inner integrity. Also if it has not been the work of Abdrushin, the two disciples who have been fighting for the leadership would not have been with the Final edition only. One of them must have gone for the 1931 edition. So it is not the case. It is like we have a bicycle for the fully matured, but one more was needed for the younger ones. That is the reason for having the two and the both are perfect in themselves, we should not compare nor have problem in maintaining and using the both accordingly. So far i know though almost all the followers of the Message have read both the editions, but when it comes to introducing the Message to others they use only the Final Edition. It is also perfectly alright because in most of the countries it is illegal to continue distributing old edition when the new edition of the same publication has come into existence.

I have so far not found any one who has read the Message in German language, complaining of any distortion in the Message. It is only those who read imperfect English translation and then complain. I have also heard that there are many words the author has used in German language which cannot be properly translated in English; there are no proper words in English to say the same. That is why we find in all the Grail Message books written in the very beginning about the limitation of the translation and the readers are being advised and encouraged to read the original German text to understand the Message.

As regards the additional verses of the lecture “I am resurrection and life .. “ which we are discussing I am of the opinion that the author is showing us a picture of the time, from just before his coming on earth to the time of the anchorage of the Light on earth by Him and to the time earth becomes new after its complete purification. You have in your previous post also very rightly explained the two premature disintegrations of the earth, first one from which Jesus saved and the second one from which Abdrushin. Here in these verses He is talking about this same second disintegration from which he saved the earth and goes on explaining up to the time of anchorage of Light on earth by Himself and its becoming new after its purification. I have not found Him using future tense anywhere in these verses so he is not talking about the future final disintegration of the matter in these verses. But while reading these verses I feel as if He is addressing these verses to the higher Light Beings and has copied it to us only for our information.

I am quoting the text from both the lectures in question for our ready reference so that we can check it again and discuss further if necessary.

Quotes from the lecture “Christmas” :

“As a consequence the Earth will not burst asunder under the curse weighing on it! This had been its actual fate! Now, however, it will only be purified but it will survive! — “

“His incarnation on Earth, then, had not been planned in the beginning. Only upon His pleading was He permitted to descend to the Earth for the Judgment. With the granting of this request the fate of this Earth changed; it will be saved from complete destruction! After a terrible purification process it will be allowed to be lifted up to the region where destruction finds no access. — — “

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The added verses in the lecture “I am the resurrection and the Life...”

“The processes in the cycle of the World of Matter indicated here only in broad outline may also produce a few exceptions which, however, are not caused by any changes or distortions in the effective Laws of Creation, but which contain complete and inexorable fulfilment.
In order to avoid errors creeping in I now wish to give a few brief explanations in advance of later lectures where the subject is dealt with more fully. The afore-mentioned sporadic disintegration of all matter at a certain definite point in its cycle is a consequence of the fact that the human spirit seed- germs, which have the capacity to make a free decision, are permitted to develop in the Worlds of Matter.
Since with this ability to make a free decision the spirit-germs do not always choose the way upwards to the Light, a certain increase in the density of the World of Matter not willed by the Light takes place, causing it to become heavier and forcing it down onto a course that leads to over-ripeness and to the funnel which acts like a cleansing filter upon everything, and in which disintegration simultaneously occurs.
Any part of the world or any celestial body in the World of Matter in which the developing human spirits adjust all their desires and pure volitions only to the Light remains more luminous, and therefore lighter, on a plane where it can uninterruptedly absorb the living radiating powers out of the Light. It always remains fresh and healthy and swings in the Laws of Creation, thus avoiding a course which must otherwise lead to over-ripeness and disintegration.
Such parts quite naturally, i.e., by the Will of the Light, wing their way high above the boundary where disintegration sets in.
Unfortunately there are only very few of these! The guilt for this must lie at the door of the spirit of man which is allowed to develop but which chose wrong paths and, despite all admonitions, clung to them persistently!
Where, however, by an act of Grace the Creator wishes to offer help when distress is at its highest, that is, shortly before the particular part enters the sucking power of the vortex of disintegration, there the process is changed!

Without the participation of the human spirits, the anchoring of the Light through the coming of an Envoy of God so strengthens the Power of the Light that a purification takes place which then, in the last moment, pulls up the thus blessed part of the World of Matter towards more luminous regions, so that it passes above the funnel of disintegration and thereby remains in existence.

The purification naturally sweeps away all that is dark along with all its creatures, its servants and all their abominations, while the human spirits which still remain must gratefully strive upwards to the Light with all their strength.

Even this extraordinary event swings completely in the Laws of Creation, and its effects do not deviate from them by a hair’s breadth. The compulsory purification connected with the anchoring of the Light is the same as an absolutely new birth. “

With my very best wishes and warm regards to you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 5:01pm On Dec 09, 2014

Justcool

I appreciate your detailed explanation above and thank you very much for the same. You have very rightly pointed out that use of word periodic in place of premature is wrong. However for your information this was only a case of wrong translation which has since been corrected by the publisher of the Grail Message in the 2011 Edition.

In fact whatever be the case, we most of the Crossbearers will remain ever grateful for the Final Edition, because most of us have come to the 1931 Edition only after remaining with the Final edition for quite some time.

Best regards,

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 9:03am On Dec 06, 2014

Justcool,

Yes, dear sir, it is lecture 17 Christmas! In volume one of the Resonance, from where I have copied those quotes. You yourself have provided us the link for this 1931 Edition in your last reply. Regards.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 1:22pm On Dec 05, 2014

Thank you so much Justcool for replying and I appreciate the hint you have given. Yes most of us would like to shift to the Complete Message sooner or later. However I have just now read both the lectures you mentioned and for the first time found a contradiction, a doubt. But please check, I think the Comforter clears this doubt in the lecture “Christmas” where he says the same before adding these paragraphs in the Final edition:

Quotes from the lecture “Christmas” - “As a consequence the Earth will not burst asunder under the curse weighing on it! This had been its actual fate! Now, however, it will only be purified but it will survive! — “

“His incarnation on Earth, then, had not been planned in the beginning. Only upon His pleading was He permitted to descend to the Earth for the Judgment. With the granting of this request the fate of this Earth changed; it will be saved from complete destruction! After a terrible purification process it will be allowed to be lifted up to the region where destruction finds no access. — — “

With warm regards,

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 1:19pm On Dec 05, 2014

justcool:
Hi Anna7

I know many crossbearers are awaiting my perception on the issue of the different editions of the Grail Message. However, I'm still not sure whether it's right for me to share my perception on this issue. I went through a lot of inner struggle before I arrived at my perception, which at the moment I consider very personal.

All I can say for now is that I have resorted to 1931 edition. This edition, in my perception, is the most authentic edition.

But do not take my words for it. I advice each individual to pick up both edition and compare them intuitively. Intuitively examine the differences, especially the deletions and the additions, then you will arrive at your own conclusion.

You can read the 1931 edition for free here: http://www.abdrushin.us/in-the-light-of-truth/

An eye opener is the lecture, 'I am the resurrection and the Life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me!' carefully read this lecture in both editions and consider whether the additional paragraphs added in the posthumous 1949 edition is in accord with the rest of the Grail Message. Compere this added paragraphs with the lecture, 'The last Judgment'(This lecture is called 'The World' in the posthumous edition) Do the paragraphs added at the end of 'I am the resurrection and the Life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me!' of the posthumous edition in accord with the lecture, 'The Last Judgment'(The World)?

There are other differences as well but lets start with the above. When you answer the above question, then depending on your answer, we can proceed.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 8:44am On Nov 27, 2014

Please Justcool many Crossbearers are waiting to read from you about the above subject. Most of us are confused due to the presence of two editions of the Grail Message. I am sure your wise explanation will help most of us to make a right decision/opinion in this connection. with regards.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 8:35am On Nov 27, 2014

justcool:
@ Speer, shinalight, and others.

I know I've been out of the religion forum for a while now, and I ask that you bear with me. I have seen your questions and I will gladly share my perception. I wish I can do so immediately, as indeed I have a lot to say on your questions. But at the moment I'm going through an inner revolution, which forbids me to comment on such serious issues.

I cannot explain to you what I'm going through now; all I can say is that I have to stay mute for a while in-order not to interfere with my inner condition. I'm totally absorbed in a particular and extremely important issue at the moment; and hence I have to stay away from so many things. Lets just say that I'm going through my "40 days" in the wilderness.

I will emerge to share my perceptions on your questions, and also perhaps to share some clarifications that are beginning to dawn on me.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Inquiry For Justcool And M_nwankwo And Other Adherents Of The Grail Message by Anna7: 7:54am On Nov 17, 2014

Hellow Justcool, I am happy to see you again on this website after quite some time. Thank you so much for your above explanation.

It is true that people are trying to turn the Grail Message in to a religion but will it not be all right if we all the followers of the Message remain united and connected to the one centre on earth, the Holy Mountain in the same way as was done by those in the higher sphere at the time of failure of Amfortas.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Grail Message by Anna7: 1:46pm On Jul 24, 2013

Hi Justcool. Thank you so much for answering. Your explanations on the Law of movement, prayer and meditation, spirit and the Power of God, principal of letting go and temptation are very nice and quite helpful for the deepening the knowledge of the readers of the Grail Message.

I was looking on the Nairaland if you have ever explained the Eternal laws of creation and how they work. If not please do the same especially in context of that people should know and understand these laws which is more important for them than to following the dictates of their own religions. No hurry please take your time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Is Coming Very Soon by Anna7: 8:27am On Jul 19, 2013

Van snickers: LOL! "Jesus is coming soon."

This has been on everyone's lips since the 1920s.

Did he miss his flight or something?!

NO He has not missed the flight! He is well in time amongst us. But He has come only for those of pure eyes. I have been a serious seekers of Truth and have finally found it in "In the Light of Truth", The Grail Message. Grail means Light and the author is Son of God Himself. This book fulfills the prophesy of second coming of Jesus Christ. I therefore encourage you to obtain and read this Message of God in proper sequence. The spiritual benefits resulting from such an effort cannot be measured in earthly terms. For your information I am quoting the Preface page of this book so that you can have an idea about this book. regards, Anna

IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH
THE GRAIL MESSAGE
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FREE YOURSELF FROM ALL DARKNESS!

HE WHO MAKES NO EFFORT
TO GRASP THE WORD OF THE LORD ARIGHT
BURDENS HIMSELF WITH GUILT!

In his foreword to “In the Light of Truth”, the Grail Message, the author states the following:

FOR YOUR GUIDANCE!
The blindfold falls, and belief becomes conviction. Liberation and redemption lie only in conviction!
I am addressing earnest seekers only. They must be able and willing to examine this matter objectively! Religious fanatics and irresponsible enthusiasts may hold aloof, for they are detrimental to the Truth. As for the malevolent and subjective, they shall find their sentence in the very words.
The Message will strike only those who still carry within them a spark of truth, and the yearning to be true human beings. It will become to all such the shining light and staff and will lead them unswervingly out of all the chaos of the present-day confusion.
The following Word does not bring a new religion, but is intended as the torch to help all serious listeners or readers find the right path, which leads them to the longed-for height.
Only he who bestirs himself can advance spiritually. The fool who uses extraneous aids for this, in the form of the ready-made opinions of others, only walks his path as if on crutches, while ignoring his own healthy limbs.
However, the moment he boldly uses all the abilities which lie dormant within him awaiting his call, to help in his ascent, he is using the talent entrusted to him in accordance with his Creator’s Will, and will easily overcome all obstacles that seek to divert him.
Therefore awake! Genuine faith lies only in conviction, and conviction arises solely through a thorough weighing and examining! See that you stand consciously alive in this wonderful Creation of your God!"

Christianity Etc › Re: The Grail Message by Anna7: 5:38am On Jul 10, 2013

Thank you so much for this information and the link. There is so much to read there, i will go through slowly. Wishing you nice time

Christianity Etc › Re: The Grail Message by Anna7: 9:05am On Jul 09, 2013

Dear friend,

Thank you for replying. I am happy to read from you. Here in India most of the population is Hindu and I have also come to the Grail Message from a Hindu family. I try to tell people about the Message but here our Gurus and godmen have influenced and mislead people to the extent that no one is now willing to listen. Since these godmen are comfort loving people, they are encouraging others also not to do anything for their spirits as can be seen from their writings and lectures. I am quoting here one example:

“SURRENDER IS RELAXATION :
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It has to come from deep inside you,

The essential surrender happens within you; it has nothing to do with anybody outside you. The basic surrender is a relaxation, a trust — so don’t be misguided by the word. Linguistically, surrender means to surrender to somebody, but religiously, surrender simply means trust, relaxing. It is an attitude rather than an act: you live through trust.
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Let me explain. You swim in water — you go to the river and swim. What do you do? You trust water. A good swimmer trusts so much that he almost becomes one with the river. He is not fighting, he does not grab the water, he is not stiff and tense. If you are stiff and tense, you will drown; if you relax, the river takes care of you. That’s why whenever somebody dies, the dead body floats on the water. This is a miracle. Amazing! The live person died and was drowned by the river, and the dead person simply floats on the surface. What has happened? The dead person knows some secret about the river which the live person did not know. The live person was fighting. The river was the enemy. He was afraid, he could not trust. But the dead person, not being there, how could he fight? The dead person is totally relaxed with no tension — suddenly the body surfaces. The river takes care. No river can drown a dead person.

Trust means you are not fighting; surrender means you don’t think of life as the enemy but as your friend. Once you trust the river, suddenly you start enjoying. Tremendous delight arises: splashing, swimming, or just floating, or diving deep. But you are not separate from the river, you merge, you become one.
Surrender means to live the same way in life as a good swimmer swims in the river. Life is a river. Either you fight or you float; either you push the river and try to go against the current, or you float with the river and go wherever the river leads you.

Surrender is not towards somebody; it is simply a way of life. A god is not needed to surrender to. There are religions which believe in God; there are religions which don’t believe in God, but all religions believe in surrender. So surrender is the real god.

Go With The Flow
God is just an excuse to surrender. It is a help, because it will be difficult for you to surrender without any object. The object is just an excuse so that in the name of God, you can surrender. Buddhism says simply surrender — there is no God. You relax. It is not a question of some object; it is a question of your own subjectivity. Relax, don’t fight. Accept.

Belief in God is not needed. In fact, the word ‘belief’ is ugly. It does not show trust, it does not show faith — belief is almost the very opposite of faith. The word ‘belief’ comes from a root lief — which means to desire, to wish. You say, ‘I believe in God the compassionate.’ What exactly are you saying? You are saying, ‘I wish there was a god who is compassionate.’ Whenever you say, ‘I believe,’ you say, ‘I intensely desire.’ But you don’t know.
If you know, there is no question of belief. Do you believe in the trees here? Do you believe in the sun which arises every morning? Do you believe in the stars? There is no question of belief. You know that the sun is there, that the trees are there. Nobody believes in the sun — if he did, you would say he is mad. If somebody came and said, ‘I believe in the sun,’ and tried to convert you, you would say, ‘You have gone mad!’

Be Like A Wave
Trust needs no god, the infinite life, this totality, is more than enough. Once you trust, you relax. That relaxation is surrender. Religion, as such, is surrendering, relaxing. Don’t cling to anything. If you do so, it shows that you don’t trust life.
Surrendering means surrendering to life; surrendering to the source from where you come and to where one day you will go back again.
You are just like a wave in the ocean: You come out of the ocean, you go back to the ocean.””

I am trying to tell people that you seek truth and follow truth if you want your salvation and redemption from this earth life but they say that it will happen to them automatically because these godmen have convinced them of the same.

So I will be happy if you please write a note a reply to the above so that I can inspire people that it is not automatic but they should do something for their salvation.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Grail Message by Anna7: 6:13am On Jul 01, 2013

Dear friend,

I am new to this forum and I have read a few posts here. I am also a follower of the Grail Message an I live in India. I just wanted to thank the person who has written the posts - About woman and about marriage etc. I will be happy if I can know the actual name of this Crossbearer and his email id so that I can some time take his help. It's so nicely written by him about women's nature, spirits and the way he described is really awesome. I appreciate it very much. Regards, Srinivas Anna. my email id is srinivasanna7@gmail.com

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