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brosci:
u are funny. u said jesus was addresing the pharisees, so does that mean it was not apppicable to other jews. jesus taught in mount olive and sometimes to his disciple specificaly does that means what he said is only applicable to his disciples.
my friend since i pay my tithe does that mean i have a dead relationship with GOD? hell no. he still speaks to me clearly. i am a freeminded person if only u can prove it to me with new testament scriptures then i will stop paying tithe but all u have done so far is use harsh words (fraudsters, twistef, lie) which is not convincing. concerning hebrew we both talked about (levites and melchizedek) . both took tithes. one is dead according to the law while the other still liveth since it is not built under the law . according to heb. the latter is the priesthood of jesus

When Jesus spoke about tithes in Matthew 23:23, he made it clear that tithes was part of the law and as Christians, we know that we are no longer under the law. The Hebrew passage does not suggest in anyway that Christians should pay tithe, it was merely trying to demonstrate the superiority of Jesus priesthood over the levitical one. Hebrews 7:18 also clearly declares the law(tithe law inclusive. Read verse 5) as weak and useless. It also anulled it so as Christians we have no business trying to observe a dead law. Galatians 5:4 also warns us from trying to keep the law else we fall from the grace of christ.

The tithe doctrine in all honesty is a big insult to the finished works of christ. Christ paid it all and as Christians we are under grace. The tithe doctrine suggests you can "pay" God for his grace and this is clearly wrong. You may also wish to read galatians 3:10

Very good move, more western countries ought to emulate them if they don't want their countries to become a breeding ground for terrorists.

brosci:
U KEEP SAYING TWISTED SCRIPTURES. IS 1 COR 16 :2 TWISTED. IS MAT 23:23. TWISTED. U ARE ACTUALLY THE ONE TWISTING SCRIPTURES BY REFFERING TO MALACHI. ALL THE SCRIPTURE ABOVE U WERE AFRAID TO EXPLAIN IT IN TOTALITY BUT I DID IT FOR U ALREADY. DID JESUS CONDEMN TITHE OR NOT?

Stop repeating your lies, Matthew 23:23 was addressed to pharisees who were under the law and not Christians whilst 1 corintintians 16:2 was clearly not talking about tithes. It is you who is trying to force your ill informed opinion into the verse.

Genesis2000:
pls i will need a guide on how to start a ministry online. Can we discuss it off line if the need be? Beside i also stay in lagos and i will check the site you posted above.

However it is not as if i really need the fund for personal use, i only need a place atleast that will accomodate even if it is five people, i will really appreciate it and we can start up from there.

Online ministry is good but seeing and fellowshiping with each other physically is better.

I look forward to see ur respond.
Thank you.

I really don't share or make contacts on anonymous forums like this, however if you want to start an online ministry, you can start for instance by writing articles that explains the truth about tithes and publishing them on nairaland and facebook. You can also Google "bold proclaimer ministries" and "tithing101.com" you will be able to see what others are doing to expose the tithe lie and learn from them.

MasterRahl:
Okay sir. Noted!
Deuteronomy 14 verse 23 instructs that we should eat our tithe before the Lord at a place which he instructs

Verser 25 & 26 is even more shocking. It says if the place where we're to eat our tithe is too far away, we convert it to money and spend it on whatever we desire.

Finally verse 28 & 29 instructs that at the end of three years, our produce should be taken to the towns and given to the Levite's and strangers.

Funny enough, I've not seen any plave where we are asked to take it to the church. Instead, we are asked to eat our tithes and bless the Lord!!!

Mr annunaki2, this is quite revealing.

You now see why some of us are vehemently against church tithing today, it's a pure pious fraud. There are several more scriptures I can show you that puts a lie to the church version of tithing.

MasterRahl:
Hmmmmmmm....bro...this one is strong...
Well I've heard you. But I'll really need to do more research.

Whilst doing your research, read deuteronomy 14:22-29 and compare the definition, purpose and implementation of tithes there with the church version today that clearly lacks sound scriptural basis but was arrived at by twisting scriptures. That is apart from the fact that tithing was part of the Law which is clearly not applicable to Christians.

Genesis2000:
Good day sir. I have not been to church for a while due to this tithe issue, and am not comfortable with them anymore. I have also read the bible extensively but fail to see a place where tithe paying is recommended for Christians.
And all seems to hang on on malachi alone for back up.

I derived no joy of seen or been under the roof of a pastor who preaches tithes when i fully known it is no longer applicable to Christians.

I have not been able to see a church where they do not pay tithes and it is very pathetic.

I have a calling of God and i don't know how to get a financial support and start a ministry so that people who share the same faith with me can follow up and we join hand together and show the world how to worship the true God in love and in spirit.

I will also need your advice on this . Thank you.

On the contrary more and more Christians and even pastors have come to the knowledge of truth and are rejecting the tithe doctrine in it's entirety. There is a growing number of churches that don't subscribe to tithe doctrine. If you are based in Lagos, you can try http://www.sgbc.org.ng/index.html Also you don't really need funds to start a ministry in this day and age else you will fall into the same hole gospel merchants who promote the tithe doctrine are in. You can start your ministry online through social media and let it grow from there.

MasterRahl:
The comments I have read so far are very interesting. I don't even know which to accept

Take it from me, there is absolutely no directive in the bible for Christians to pay tithe when read in proper context and perspective. Tithe doctrine taught in church today is derived from fraudulently twisting scriptures directed to Jews who were under the law and mis applying it to Christians who are under grace. That aside biblical tithes was not money and was not based on income but agric produce contrary to the lies tithe merchants peddle today.

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brosci:
exactly jesus said it in reference to the law but yet he still commended it. 1 cor. was never talking about offering or is offering only paid at the 1st day of the week, secondly paul said that everyman shd give as the lord hath prospered them. u and i knw that the only thing that is paid according to your income( has the lord hath prospered) is tithe. also y did paul said everyman, it should have been willingly. I DIDNT JUST COME UP WITH MY OPINION ABOUT THAT CORITHIANS PASSAGE. I CONFIRMED IT WITH OTHER MEANS e.g bible basics by john lee

Jesus did not exactly commend it as he described it as a less important part of the law. That said the corinthian passage could not have been talking about tithes because tithes in biblical times was strictly agric produce. It was not until the nineteenth century(less than two hundred years ago) that American evangelicals introduced monetary tithe by twisting the scriptures. And yes people give offerings as God as prospered them. A rich man can give N10,000 as offerings whereas a poor man might only be able to give N100, each is giving as God as prospered him.

4reala:
hmmm! U are getting it all wrong, go and pay ur tithe and leave d rest 4 God. Don't be wiser than urself

Why don't you convince me from scriptures that I am wrong and I should be paying tithes instead of parroting the often repeated scam that I should "pay my tithe". So far I have been able to prove to people following this thread that church tithing lacks solid scriptural basis.

4reala:
which church do u attend?

What does that matter My opinions are not shaped by any church doctrine but by the undiluted and untwisted word of God as contained in the holy scriptures.

brosci:
whst u seem not to get is that what is been made useless is the law not tithe. read verse 20. of that same heb. about validiy of tithe in the new testament check matt. 23:23, 1cor. 16:2. dont ignore it and explain it if u think otherwise

Tithes is part of the lawn read verse 5 of that chapter. Matt 23:23 also made it clear that Jesus was referring to tithes according to the law(read it well) and 1 cor 16:2 had absolutely nothing to do with tithes except you want to force your opinion into scriptures. Also note that in biblical times. Tithing was never money. Monetary tithes is a modern day invention so 1 cor 16:2 could not have been talking of tithes. It was talking of offerings.

4reala:
you forget dat d levites are the choosen once God has ordained to water you and other Children of God and to serve in d house of God. They are ur pastors, Reverend, Bishops and others which God had ordained to minister in his presence

No they are not, the levites are more equivalent to church workers even though priests were chosen from amongst them. That said as I said earlier the levites were entitled to a share of the tithe only because God denied them land in the promise land. The tithe was a compensation for the land they were denied. What has been denied to modern day pastors

brosci:
u made a big mistake. biblical tithe was never brought by the law but rather by abraham who instead far b4 moses was born.

Abraham's tithe was a one off tithe he did based on the customs of his people and it was not instructed by God. Asides that he did not tithe of his income but of war booty. We are under no obligation as christians to emulate Abraham's tithe.

brosci:
the son of levi tithe collection was according to the law. heb.7:9 levi also which also recieve tithes payed tithes to abraham. THAT of chist was well spoken about in heb. 7;4,7,12. of which melchizedek took tithes from abraham,l and was considered better than that of levi. it also said the priesthood was changed. that is fr levi to melchizedek who also took tithes. so what is your point

Did you read it up to verse 18 where the tithe law was anulled and described as weak and useless?

4reala:
pls teach me d concept of "Biblical Tithing".

Biblical tithing was a covenant between the children of Israel and God based on the promised Land. God had directed that 11 tribes share all the land(farming) amongst themselves living out the tribe of Levi. God then instructed that the other tribes to give a tenth of their produce to the levites as compensation for being denied land to produce with. This scenario does not exist today and is clearly not applicable to us except you twist scriptures. Deuteronomy 14:26-27

Feel free to ask me any question on tithing and I will gladly answer with biblical reference.

4reala:
hmmmn, even if is the fruit and crops one dat u understand, u don't bring it to d store house of God. My Brother pls repent

I don't mean to sound arrogant but I understand the concept of biblical tithing far better than you and every single person that has been mis led into believing it is a christian requirement.

brosci:
u dont seem to get me. just search that topic i gave u with nairaland search engine. u will see that even new testsment encouraged tithing

I get you, you are the one that does not get me. Like I said earlier I am an authority on the subject off biblical tithe and I have read extensively on it including the article you are referring me to which was full of errors and scriptural gymnastics. The law (including the tithe law) was brought to an end in the new testament, the bible is very clear on this. Kindly note that there are over 30 passages that talk of tithes in the bible and I have studied them all. I will also refer you to read Hebrews 7:5-19 in context, there you will see the tithe law was not only anulledn it was also described as weak, useless and unprofitable.

4reala:
hmmmn, even if is the fruit and crops one dat u understand, u don't bring it to d store house of God. My Brother pls repent

Tithing was directed to the children of Israel who were under the law and not gentile christians who are under grace. A christian has no business paying tithe.

brosci:
I WILL ADVICE YOU TO SEE THE POST WITH THE TOPIC UNDER RELIGION SECTION: THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT TITHES BIBLICAL FACTS

I am an authority when it comes to the subject of tithes and I have studied the bible extensively on the subject matter and also written several articles on tithes so there is nothing I want to learn from twisted articles some tithe merchants write up to promote their dubious trade.

4reala:
gudmornin Annunakis, please explain to a lay man how you pay ur own tithe

I DON'T pay tithes.

4reala:
not rubbing God's Children, but rubbing God. But are u paying ur Tithe?

It's "robbing" and not "rubbing" did you read the passage I gave you? Are you tithing as instructed and defined there?

sunnyfats:
I will say you should pray for God to lead you, charity is very good and there are lots of blessings attached to it. meanwhile, it is a clear instruction from God,that your tithe should go to the house of God, it is the church that will put ur tithe to good use.our problem these days is that we feel that the church is not rightly utilising our so called tithe and offering. But we are not their judge as we know,they are responsible to God.
However, charity work should be done out of your own pockets, this is our obligation to love our neighbours. It is not totally right to think you have to use Gods money to help his pple, that is not our responsibility, I only hope you ll get my point(I'm just beign honest). Its because most of us don't understand why we have to pay tithe, that's why we agree with pple when they say pastors are stealing our money. And that usually becomes the reason why we feel we should divert the money to other means.
So in summary, it is not wrong to use your tithe for charity, but if you can,pls avoid it
May God help us all

Can you show us from scriptures how God defines his tithes? Also is it right as a christian to twist or change God's word?

Muslims really amuse me, they enjoy deceiving themselves.

Jesus placed a lot of emphasis on giving to the poor and the needy. He NEVER taught tithing.

4reala:
Sir, u can decide to giv urself whatever excuse u wish, but if u are not paying, knw that u are rubbing God Malachi 3 v8-10

It seems you have a lot to learn about tithing. Read deuteronomy 14:22-29 then compare it with church interpretation of tithes then you will know who is actually robbing God's children.

haryohmih:
It #35000 each and I have two

Can I see the pics?

Blackfire and parisbookaddict must have really given you nightmares for you to be trepidated enough to have inspiration for this "tribute". meanwhile you write very well, I will like to suggest you go and write your own quoran, I am sure it will make much better reading than the one attributed to the seventh century terrorist.

Can you post the pic here and how much is it?

Very poor analogy, there is absolutely no where in scriptures that God demanded tithes of money from christians' income. The tithe doctrine as it is preached today is arrived at by fraudulently twisting Malachi 3:10 and then mis applying it to new testament believers.

udatso:
Do you know his where about?

Yes he's gone to mecca for the hajj.