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Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Okay To Pay Your Tithe To A Man Of God? by anonimi: 11:46am On Oct 21, 2011
For those who seek biblical truth on tithes, go through this rather long drama sketch that covers most if not all the issues.
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As a sequel to my last article debunking Mr. Enoch Adejare Adeboye’s claims about tithing, Believers are not subject to the Tithe, I hereby present a court scenario in which the General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God stands before the Great Judge of all the earth, the Lord Jesus Christ, on this subject. Enjoy the conversation:

Jesus: Enoch, you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income to your church and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn’t tithe they would go to hell. How do you plead?

Pastor Enoch: I plead not guilty, sir. I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Jesus: Is it not true, Enoch, that in Genesis chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Pastor Enoch: Yes, you are exactly right, that’s what I just told you.

Jesus: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13. But it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn’t he?

Pastor Enoch: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Jesus: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Pastor Enoch: No.

Jesus: Enoch, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Pastor Enoch: Well, just once.

Jesus: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Pastor Enoch: No; it does not.

Jesus: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Pastor Enoch: Well, the Bible says it was from the plunders of war.

Jesus: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Pastor Enoch: Yes that’s what the Bible says.

Jesus: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Pastor Enoch: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Jesus: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Pastor Enoch: I guess not

Jesus: You guess not! You pastor one of the largest denominations on the planet and you are only guessing? Is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Pastor Enoch: No; it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Jesus: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Pastor Enoch: I believe it says plunder?

Jesus: So plunder could be any number of things?

Pastor Enoch: Yes, I suppose.

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people’s possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money; correct?

Pastor Enoch: Yes; sir. You are correct; it does not say just money.

Jesus: As a matter of fact, money is never mentioned in that account at all; is that correct, Enoch?

Pastor Enoch: Yes, sir; money is never mentioned; just goods and food and people.

Jesus: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Pastor Enoch: That is right.

Jesus: I only have one last question for you, Enoch. Did God command Abraham to give this plunder as tithe to Melchizedek?

Pastor Enoch: No; it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Jesus: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their monthly salary to a local church?

Jesus: Considering all the evidence, I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Pastor Enoch: Sir, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Jesus: Let’s see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me, Enoch.

Pastor Enoch: In Genesis chapter 28, starting at verse 20 it says, ‘Jacob vowed a vow, saying, “If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father’s house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God’s house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you.”‘

Jesus: You said people should follow Jacobs’s example, is that right, Enoch?

Pastor Enoch: Yes; that is right. He vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Jesus: Let me point out one thing for you, Enoch. Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob’s example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Pastor Enoch: That is not what I meant.

Jesus: What did you mean then?

Pastor Enoch: That we should give God a tenth also.

Jesus: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Pastor Enoch: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Jesus: It is obvious that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

Pastor Enoch: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

Jesus: So far, all you have done is taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

Pastor Enoch: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, “Will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” So you see sir, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

Jesus: Answer me this, Enoch, were you aware that I never required anyone to tithe money?

Pastor Enoch: No I didn’t know that.

Jesus: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

Pastor Enoch: Sir, that is because they didn’t have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

Jesus: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis – and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

Pastor Enoch: I don’t know.

Jesus: I also want you to know that these verses speak to people under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know, I fulfilled the law while I was on earth. The Law is no longer binding. Tithing was part of that law that has been abolished.

Jesus: And once again, you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

Pastor Enoch: I do not know of any.

Jesus: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

Pastor Enoch: Man must have.

Jesus: So far all you have done, Enoch, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

Pastor Enoch: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that You told us to tithe.

Jesus: Ok; let me hear it.

Pastor Enoch: You said in Matthew 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone.” Surely, You were saying there that we should be tithing.

Jesus: Let me ask you a question, who was I talking to in that passage?

Pastor Enoch: The scripture says the scribes and Pharisees.

Jesus: Are you and your members scribes or Pharisees?

Pastor Enoch: No sir; God forbid!.

Jesus: I also said in that passage, “You have left undone the weightier matters of the law“. Are we under the law, Enoch?

Pastor Enoch: No.

Jesus: Why not?

Pastor Enoch: Because You fulfilled it, and it passed away.

Jesus: When did I fulfill the law?

Pastor Enoch: When You were crucified.

Jesus: So the law was still in effect until My death?

Pastor Enoch: That is correct sir.

Jesus: I think you know where I am going with this; don’t you?

Pastor Enoch: Yes; sir. Since You had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding, the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Jesus: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Pastor Enoch: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Jesus: Was money mentioned there?

Pastor Enoch: No sir; it was not.

Jesus: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Pastor Enoch: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We had to build that million-seater cathedral to accomodate the people who come for Holy Ghost Festival yearly, the salaries of other pastors have to be paid. So many other things. We depend on the money from the people.

Jesus: The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Not to mention that all those items you listed are problems you created for yourelves. They are not My agenda. You were pursuing your agenda.

Jesus: Now to the more greivous consequences of your enforcing the tithe on believer. What did Paul write in Galatians 5:4 about attempting to follow the Law?

Pastor Enoch: That if they obeyed any part of the old Jewish law, including the law of circumcision, in order to be right (justified) with God, they have fallen from grace, or lost their salvation.

Jesus: Do you admit that like circumcision, tithing was part of the law?

Pastor Enoch: Yes, sir.

Jesus: Now if obeying the law of circumcision would cause gentile Christians of Paul’s day to “fall from grace”, one would have to conclude that obeying another old law; “The law of tithing” would have the same results on them today; that is to say, it will cause them to fall away from the grace of God.

Pastor Enoch: [Swallows hard] I suppose so.

Jesus: In other words, you are admitting that your teaching the tithe is actually sending people down the road to hell?

Pastor Enoch: That was not what I intended, sir.

Jesus: Nevertheless, that is the result of your actions – your ministry. How many of those one billion members (not counting the non-members who heard you and believed you) do you suppose have been turned aside unknowingly this way?

Pastor Enoch: [Swallows hard] I have no idea, sir.

Pastor Enoch: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. Yes I am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore. Infact, I will go and take my words back. As many people as possible must hear this.

THE END
I have given the narration a good ending. I hope that someone close to Mr. Adeboye loves him enough and has enough balls to bring this issue to his attention. You will be saving not only his soul but the souls of millions of others who believe his grace-defying, grace-denying doctrine of tithing.


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Credits:
This narration was crafted and adapted from my previous article, Believers are not subject to the Tithe, and from materials put up at http://tithing.christian-things.com/articles.html
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Source: Pressing for the Crown
Politics › Re: Fashola At Oxford University Lecture. Pics by anonimi: 8:51am On Oct 21, 2011
I am sure the roads that Fashola and his NL boy, Eko Ile travelled to Oxford did not have potholes because they were resurfaced a few weeks before his visit, trailers do not pass on them and rain has not been falling there for so many months ago shocked
Politics › Re: Fashola At Oxford University Lecture. Pics by anonimi: 4:48pm On Oct 20, 2011
Wallie:
Now, if you had originally said that you lost faith in Fashola because the roads that were newly-built already developed potholes, then you might have a point.

Do you see the difference?
It is always refreshing to see that we Nigerians are capable of being civil in our discussions even when we initially disagree. I wish and hope more compatriots will do the same.
Politics › Re: Yoruba Afenifere Leaders Paid Solidarity Vist To Gbenga Daniel by anonimi: 2:40pm On Oct 20, 2011
Eko Ile:
Who are the RASCALS? The elected leaders of the Yoruba people right?

How does that concern Yoruba people? Are you serious?

On whose requests are the leaders serving? The Yoruba people right?

Btw, Yoruba people did not set out to trade insults with that re-tard, he went to their land and insulted them face to face?
What Jonathan said at a political rally was that "The southwest is too important to be left in the hands of rascals"

I am sure those who understand English can see that he was in no way dissing yorubas but rather praising them as "too important" hence the need for them (the yorubas) not to be led by rascals.
Politics › Re: Yoruba Afenifere Leaders Paid Solidarity Vist To Gbenga Daniel by anonimi: 2:33pm On Oct 20, 2011
Two words descriptive
- useless visit
by
- useless people
Politics › Re: Fashola At Oxford University Lecture. Pics by anonimi: 10:31am On Oct 20, 2011
favouredjb:
^^^ Dnt blame fashola for that,blame tinubu

i love fashola'a humble personality
sorry ma'am but it was not Tinubu who said this:

"Our Government in Lagos State has the record of being the most efficient in the country today because of the quality of personnel it keeps and continues to attract from within and outside the country".
Btw is this Tinubu's government or Fashola's huh
Romance › Re: What Makes You So Datable? by anonimi: 10:22am On Oct 20, 2011
ronkebp:
when you are just a full package, pretty, good cook, well -mannered, well bedded, sociable, flexible, spiritual,good sense of humour, then i see no reason, why you can't be datable. During my dating days, i have never been single for long, can't even remember being single at all, if am not in a relationship then am somewhere flenjoring with some guy that wants a real relationship.
i think the bold part is what makes a girl marriageable i.e. beyond dateable.
the red words is what will keep her man from straying PERMANENTLY away assuming it means she remains very fcukable.
my 2 cents.
Politics › Re: Fashola At Oxford University Lecture. Pics by anonimi: 9:54am On Oct 20, 2011
Eko Ile:
Fashola At Oxford University Lecture

the Governor further declared, "Our Government in Lagos State has the record of being the most efficient in the country today because of the quality of personnel it keeps and continues to attract from within and outside the country".
such as the ones recruited for LG elections on Saturday:

In Oshodi Local Council, people also protested alleged imposition of candidates by a top official of the National Union of Road Transport Workers (NURTW) in the state, who was said to be very close to a top party leader.

“When he picked the candidates and gave his list to them, party chieftains in the area were unhappy that one man could wield such powers as to hand-pick candidates for the chairmanship and councillorship positions.

“They went to the party secretariat in protest but to their dismay, they were asked to go back and resolve the issue with the union official,” a party member told The Guardian
Was this not what Alao-Akala was very good at doing in Oyo State?
Politics › Re: Fashola At Oxford University Lecture. Pics by anonimi: 9:42am On Oct 20, 2011
Kx:
I dont get it.
This is Fashola's report card.
Ant the best place to present it is abroad, to the "colonial masters"?
na original colo mentality. Listen here from the master:

Fela Kuti

The 18m Lagosians he serves are not worthy of such gesture as they do not request any accountability from him or the legislators and LG councillors.
Meanwhile no Nigerian university including LASU is in the first 400 ranked worldwide!!! Anyway were the lecturers not on strike for many months?
Misplaced priority.
TV/Movies › Re: Nollywood Inferiority Complex: Portraying Traditional Religions As Evil by anonimi: 3:44pm On Oct 17, 2011
colo(nial) mentality- pure & simple
there are many parallels between the imported arab (islam) & jewish (xtianity) religions with ifa (yoruba oracle) stories.
Politics › Re: Fashola Commissions 72 Units Of 3 Bedroom Flats by anonimi: 1:27pm On Oct 17, 2011
@ Eko Ile,

Thank you for your very long response. However you did not answer my simple Yes or No question:

Your low cost housing link:

362 units

has a reputed cost of 7m. Is this correct?
Hopefully you will find time to reply to help me "get real"
Politics › Re: Fashola Commissions 72 Units Of 3 Bedroom Flats by anonimi: 1:23pm On Oct 17, 2011
Pifa:
But bulletproof entry doors in a residential complex for ordinary citizens? I don’t envy people who live in Lagos.
That is what happens when you rob 18 million Peters (Lagosians) to pay a few Pauls (Tinubu, Fashola, Skyebank, ACN goons including their resident NL propaganda expert)  shocked.
You create needless insecurity and fear of armed robbers, assassins, area boys and other miscreants.
Only God knows how many people have died in their self-imposed prisons with burglary proofs in the event of fire. I remember reading something years ago about retd. Col. Lawan Gwadabe's family members dying in such a residential inferno.
Can you imagine what would happen if there was free education, higher education schorlarship & bursary, free primary health care, rural development etc huh

I noticed there is no landscaping in this complex. This is rather curious given that the Lagos government has made the greening of Lagos an environmental mantra.
Thought you should have realised by now that ACN is just a typical political party promise everything do very little or nothing. In short they are NATO- No Action, Talk Only.
The same way they talk about true federalism but have done nothing at NASS with increased legislators to sponsor amendment of constitution to that effect even in soft areas such as VAT distribution.
Politics › Re: Describe Bola Ahmed Tinubu In 2 Words by anonimi: 12:34pm On Oct 17, 2011
oyb:
true federalist
and what is the basis of the above?

@ OP

smart crook/ smart fraudster
compared to (Obasanjo = half smart crook)
compared to (Bode George = dumb crook)
Politics › Re: Describe Fashola's Administration In 2 Words by anonimi: 12:29pm On Oct 17, 2011
smart thief!
compared to dumb thief = Alao Akala
compared to half-smart thief = Gbenga Daniel
Politics › Re: Fashola Commissions 72 Units Of 3 Bedroom Flats by anonimi: 8:51pm On Oct 15, 2011
@ jason,

would it be possible for you to obtain the Lagos state budget figures for 1979 to 1983?
I will greatly appreciate receiving the figures anytime soon.

Anyone else who can access these figures should also feel free to share them with me here.
Thanks in advance.
Politics › Re: Fashola Commissions 72 Units Of 3 Bedroom Flats by anonimi: 8:47pm On Oct 15, 2011
@ playmode & jason,

thanks for your critical analysis so far of the economics of this all-that-glitters-is-not-gold project from BRF.

@Eko Ile,

Your low cost housing link:

362 units

has a reputed cost of 7m. Is this correct?
If so who is considered a low income earner in LASG civil service i.e. the immediate employees of Mr. Fashola ?
Foreign Affairs › Re: Obama Sends 100 Military Advisers Against Kony's Rebels In Uganda by anonimi: 8:20pm On Oct 15, 2011
[quote author=Mr--Why link=topic=782026.msg9345093#msg9345093 date=1318687654]The West including USA does not go to where they won't profit. Even the so called aid they give to African countries are collected back in some way.[/quote]Is that how you work and expend your efforts without being rewarded huh
Is that how you live your life and take care of your family or was that how your parents took care of you - working for free and not being paid adequate wages shocked
It is reasoning like yours that makes Africa and Africans so re.tarded and begging for alms (aids) from Europe, America and now China.
Can you imagine the millions of dollars, TACS deployment and military assistance Nigeria gives other African countries without backing it up with commercial interests despite our significant manufacturing capacity, technological know-how and skilled manpower huh
Bunch of slowpokes  angry
Politics › Re: Fashola Commissions 72 Units Of 3 Bedroom Flats by anonimi: 5:57pm On Oct 14, 2011
[quote author=Hye-Bits link=topic=781646.msg9339657#msg9339657 date=1318610373]anonimi,
What majority of you don't have is the ability to reason critically. In economic and social sense, not all could afford the same style of life. The estate I live at present was built by Jakande and I bought the property for 8M. So, tell me what is the population of Lagos residence that can afford the same property at present. Mind you, taking the current population of Lagos as seed in your argument.[/quote]Listen to me very carefully-
Fashola budgets N450b ($3b) for 15-18m people including N240b from their own taxes in the form of IGR.
Jakande had about 5-6m people to cater for in his four years of government
BUT had a very small fraction of Fashola's revenue to work with and yet the masses felt his impact in housing, education, health, transportation (remember Metro tha Buhari cancelled?).
Let us not even compare with Awo's years in the 50s and 60s, which were the glorious years of the Western region and the yorubas. That will be going too far.
Eko Ile and his ACN goons want to hoodwink us to benchmark their performance against PDP looters and military dictators, thinking we are all fools.
Waht some of us are saying is very simple - we deserve better, much better after over six decades of Awo's free education from which most of these part-time and full time looters benefitted.
Politics › Re: Fashola Commissions 72 Units Of 3 Bedroom Flats by anonimi: 5:49pm On Oct 14, 2011
Eko Ile:

And the Governor took it father by highlighting the positive collateral effects of these projects on Lagosians,


Governor Fashola explained that part of the benefit of the project could also be deduced from operations of the State Government partners on the project, Messrs Cortex Limited who have successfully kept its 25 employees at work and paying their salaries.

He reiterated that for the 30 months that the construction lasted on the project, about 1500 men and women were engaged on the site and several vendors who sold food, water and many other things as well as the sub contractors who supplied building materials all earned a living to put food on the family table and take care of their dependants.
so the construction could have been done without employing people and feeding them  shocked
and Eko Ile thinks it is worth pulling off our pants and celebrating the mediocrity that passes for brillance in our land of the blind where the one eyed is king.
Politics › Re: Fashola Commissions 72 Units Of 3 Bedroom Flats by anonimi: 5:25pm On Oct 14, 2011
Fashola's resident NL propagandist, Eko Ile, has been unable to say how much these flats will cost the targeted "middle precipitate upper income strata"
I suppose that means directors/senior managers and above in LASG ministries and parastatals should be able to comfortably pay for it through Fashola's 6% mortgage based on their taxed SALARIES wink
And where are are the "social housing provision" sites, which presumably means for low income people like Jakande did in the early 80s.
Ironically, ACN's Abesan campaign for next week's LG elections was held with one of the Jakande estates in the background.
Politics › Re: No Regrets Endorsing Fashola For Second Term - Tinubu by anonimi: 5:05pm On Oct 14, 2011
^^^
I see that you prefer to compare yourself with the worst performers and claim to be a superstar, hmmm good for you.
is that how you do to your kids, if you have them i.e. if they come 17th in a class of 20, you congratulate them and say at least they are not the last.
Or maybe that is how your parents brought you up to be successful- also by benchmarking your report card with the worst in your classes  shocked
Politics › Re: No Regrets Endorsing Fashola For Second Term - Tinubu by anonimi: 4:02pm On Oct 14, 2011
“The governor has been able to turn Lagos into a mega and very friendly city with the meagre resources available in the state,’’ he told a rally of ACN supporters at Onikan Stadium, Lagos.
over N20b monthly frtom IGR only is N240b annually not including mega bucks from FG allocation to the state and its LGs.
It can only be magre after the Ashiwaju of Area Boys has siphoned the large chunk to himself at the expense of sedated Lagosians.

Depilot:
Second, who gave this criminal the right to pick and chose candidates?
And finally, Lagosians gave Fashola the second term, not this old thief.
shows the disdain in which they hold the electorate and teh fact that we have not mobilised, educated and informed ourselves ENOUGH on our rights and the accountability of these people to US.
Politics › Re: Tinubu Blasts FG Over The State Of Roads Nationwide by anonimi: 11:56am On Oct 13, 2011
While it is ok to ask the FG to fix its roads in Lagos, Tinubu should not forget to ask Fashola and the 57 LGAs to also fix the roads under their jurisdiction.
How many feeder roads (the ones directly in front of residences etc) in Lagos state are tarred, with covered drains that are cleaned daily?
Tinubu should stop playing politics of casting PDP alone as the no-performer.
Politics › Re: Best And Worst States In Nigeria by anonimi: 11:28am On Oct 13, 2011
Let's remember that the LG authorities, which are the closest to residents also have a role to play in the citizen's life. It is not just the state and federal that is responsible for everything.
This is very important to note as most state IECs aer now organising LG council elections.
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The functions of Local Government Councils in Nigeria are contained in the 4th Schedule of the Constitution of the Federal Government of Nigeria. To fulfil these functions they must deliver the following services to which you have a right as citizens resident in your particular Local Government Area

1. Provide Information and Access to Local Government Services

To do this every Local Government Council Office must have a reception area that is staffed with people that are knowledgeable about the work of the Council and can refer members of the public appropriately, depending on enquiries and requests made

They must have detailed information about the services delivered by the particular Council and where the service can be obtained

The premises of the Local Council Office must be well sign posted so that visitors to the council can find their way easily and the more progressive councils must ensure that there are no language barriers and that the visually impaired and others who have disabilities have easy and appropriate access to information and services

2. Registration of Births

Many Councils have abdicated this responsibility to the National Population Commission, yet it is one of the very primary function that a Council can carry out. Those in Diaspora understand how important this service is and it should be accompanied with issuance of birth certificates. If we do not know how many we are or how fast we are growing we cannot plan or allocate resources effectively. Leaving this function in the hands of the National Population Commission means that we can be under represented at the Federal Level and for some of us there may even be no record of our existence.

3. Marriage Registry

Nigerians more than most people understand the importance of this function. And even when people choose to marry in a religious or traditional institution, the marriages must still be registered with the Local Council. The Local council must post banns as required by the law, issue marriage licenses and marriage certificates

For civil marriages, the Council must take steps to provide decent premises where the marriage ceremonies can take place, even if this is provided at a fee.

4. Registration of Death

The law requires the death to be registered either in the LGA where the death took place or alternatively in the local government of origin. For this reason, the Local Council must maintain a registry and provide information on what steps to follow.

5. Cemetery Services

Local Councils must maintain public cemeteries with facilities for conducting simple burial ceremonies. Progressive ones should also facilitate the services of undertakers to ease the burden of family members and friends

6. Primary Health Care Services

Every Local Government has a Primary Health Care Coordinator, usually a senior nurse (all the ones in Lagos State are medical doctors) who has responsibility for delivering primary health care and for coordinating health care facilities within the LGA. These primary health care facilities in most other countries have grown to be full fledged hospitals and often serve as secondary referral centres for community nursing. In Nigeria, the ones established by Olikoye Ransome Kuti became decrepit almost as soon as he retired.

The law in Nigeria provides for members of the community to sit on the governing councils of these health facilities and we can call the PHC coordinator to account about the quality and range of health care services available in the LGA. It is a right that we have yet to avail of. How many of us know the name of our Local Council Chairman not mention the name of the PHC Coordinator. Just so we know, services provided through the Primary Health Care Centres are

Diagnoses and treatment of minor ailments and injuries
Referral to a secondary health care facility
Drug dispensary and sale at government regulated prices
a full range of antenatal, delivery [excluding the delivery of first pregnancies] and postnatal services, including circumcision of male babies and immunization
Child welfare clinics including advisory services on exclusive breastfeeding and weighing of children under five years of age on any day of the week.
Counselling on family planning including support to determine an appropriate family planning method compatible with personal health history and treatment of minor complications which arise from the use of prescribed guide
Adolescent Reproductive Health Services
Health education and health promotion seminars concerning prevailing health problems in the communities

7. Local Government Education Authorities

Local Government Councils are meant to supervise education at the grassroots (this puts primary education, vocational education and the provison of libraries solidly within their purview) and to work through Local Government Education Authorities and with Departments for Adult and Nonformal Education to do this. To ensure a level of control, Secretaries of LGEAs are appointed by Council Chairmen and ratified by council members who are also elected and whose functions are similar to those of State assemblies with responsibilities for making by laws.

In practice, Local Government Education Authorities work under the supervision of the Ministry of Education and in collaboration with relevant Boards, Agencies and Departments of the Ministry of Education to ensure compliance of schools with educational standards and procedures set by Government. LGEAs in many states have become autonomous of the Local Government Councils. They should monitor and report on

· the state of school buildings and facilities

· levels of enrolment in schools

· staffing, including number and qualification of teachers

· education improvement programmes undertaken within the LGA by government, individuals, civil society and donor organisations

· private providers of education and continue education centres within each LGA to ensure compliance with government policy guidelines

LGEAs should also support inspection of schools, administration of examinations and registration of teachers with the State Teacher Registration Council. They have so far failed abysmally and have been accountable to no one, not even State Universal Basic Education Boards which simply meet to award contracts funded with World Bank IDA Loans to each other with the connivance of the Universal Basic Education Commission (Federal).


8. Establishment of Homes for Destitute and other Socially Needy

Local Government Councils have the responsibility for establishing homes for the destitute and other socially needy people. Many Councils do this in partnership with relevant civil society organisations and with Federal or State agencies.

9. Public Conveniences

Each Local Government Council must provide public toilets and bathhouses. There is room for private sector participation in this function as entrepreneurs can obtain licences to operate public conveniences. It is compulsory that the Local Government Council makes land available for this purpose.


10. Slaughter Houses

Local Government Councils must provide abattoirs and slaughter houses that are maintained in good sanitary conditions in cooperation with butcher’s associations. The department for veterinary services of the state issues licenses to intending butchers through local councils and their officials inspect all animals intended for slaughter to make sure that they are fit for consumption.


11. Markets

Local Government Councils establish and operate markets in partnership with traders associations. They also issue street trading and hawkers licenses and must ensure that street traders and hawkers do not impede traffic flow or constitute nuisances


12. Registration and Issuance of Licences

Local Government Councils issue licenses for motor and other mechanised vehicles, licenses for bicycles and trucks, radio and television licenses, pet licenses, licenses for sale of liquor, small trader licenses and licenses to operate community based organisations and NGOs

13. Refuse Collection and Maintaining Clean Streets

Responsibility for refuse collection and street cleaning remains that of the Local government even though most states and established waste management agencies. The Local government Council also has responsibility for removing corpses and animal carcasses from our roads, for unclogging drains and patching potholes on roads.


14. Road Construction and Naming of Streets

The Council carries out maintenance of roads and must also construct or open up new roads to create access to new settlements. They also have responsibility for naming streets and for providing street maps for their local government area


15. Assessment of Privately owned Buildings for Tenement Rates

The Local Government Council must maintain a register of all the building in the Local Government Area for the purpose of determining and collection of tenement rates. The Council should also have responsibility for monitoring that building permits are not violated


16. Regulation of Outdoor Advertising

The Local Government Council has responsibility for regulating out door advertising and for providing guidelines to advertisers


17. Revenue Collection

Many of the functions and services of Local Government Councils result in the generation of revenue. Such revenue is used for funding social services delivered through the Council and for development projects for communal benefit. The Local Government Council through the Chairman is accountable for the use of this revenue and for the Federal allocation


18. Publication of Fees

Every Council is required to publish fees charged for services delivered. Where arrangements have been made to collect revenue through agents, the agents must also publish fees and abide by the regulations and directives of the Council

NVS
Politics › Re: Pictures of Presentation Of Flag To The Airforce Command Parade By GEJ by anonimi: 10:49am On Oct 13, 2011
moderatorr:
slowpoke.
Define democracy.
thanks a million.
no mind my naija bros. we too used to miltary bullies- when will we recover from the hangover, 12 years into our democracy huh
is that not why most people will rather resort to calling police, soldiers even KAI, LASTMA and fire brigade to harass their debtors and tenants instead of getting a lawyer to write and prosecute the debtor if he still refuses to pay shocked
Btw, how many Lagosians know their area councillor candidates for the LG elections this month huh
TV/Movies › Re: Tinsel Discussion Thread by anonimi: 10:25am On Oct 13, 2011
^^^
200m/episode is outrageous. maybe for a season.
and that is why they are finding ingenious ways to recoup their investment, such as the french translation.
i am almost certain they will be doing DVD of the series in due course.
TV/Movies › Re: All About Mnet Tinsel: by anonimi: 4:12pm On Oct 12, 2011
TCD:
Tinsel is by far the best soap opera ever in Nigeria in terms of acting, directing , packaging costumes everything. They deserve applause and I'm sure they will keep improving.
I concur with your assessment and it's actually being translated into French. I saw an episode on RTI- the Ivorian telly earlier today. What a nice surprise.
TV/Movies › Re: Tinsel Discussion Thread by anonimi: 4:07pm On Oct 12, 2011
Just bumped into the french translation of Tinsel on RTI- The Ivorian national TV.
Quite impressive for a Nigerian/SA production and the translation was very well done in a professional way. Like those South American operas that we were stuck with some years ago.
Kudos to DSTV crew.
Politics › Re: Reps Raise Alarm Over Sale Of Speaker’s Official Residence by anonimi: 10:28am On Oct 12, 2011
edicolove:
I thought ACN and Tinubu's supporters said they voted Tambuwal because they wanted to stop the evil in PDP? This is the man they endorsed for the job. This is to their shame. They will have to live with it.
Welcome to the real world.
There is not much difference between ACN and PDP. It's like 6 and half a dozen. Do you know how many ACN elected politicians were ex-PDP? That includes its Senate Leader, George Akume, former governor of Benue State.
Btw, how many progressive bills have been sponsored by the ACN caucaus in the NASS given its increased numbers and "alliance" with Tambuwal huh
Politics › Re: Jonathan Was Right On Libya - Soyinka by anonimi: 8:51am On Oct 05, 2011
birdman:
the way i understand it, he was a ceremonial figurehead. The real administrators were elected by grassroots democracy. It seemed to have worked for them, considering the high standard of living they enjoyed, and unparalleled resource allocation compared to any other country in Africa and the Arab world. All governments do not have to look the same. It is reasonable to adapt to your own peculiar culture.
which planet are you living on?
have you been to libya or know anyone who has been there?
Politics › Re: Jonathan Was Right On Libya - Soyinka by anonimi: 6:30pm On Oct 04, 2011
islamrules:
My point is, people are waking up to see who the enemy is actually is. People are realizing America/West is not evil afterall.

ANd finally, are Libyans animals ? Dont they deserve to have their wish as a nation ?
Thanks and just to reinforce your idea- NATO (Western christian nations) also intervened to stop the genocide against muslims in the Srebrenica massacre

When will the black man grow up from his simplex mindset huh

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