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Veecruz:
See display of madness!

Veecruz:
That mad and blind till the point you don't know what the header says?

See it if you can
"Image Of The Cross: Best Eclipse Picture Seen Yet? (Photo) by jesusjnr2020(m): 6:36am On Apr 10"

Obviously a blind mad wailer on the loose

Veecruz:
"Speak to all them" is not "standing up in the synagogue to preach" as we see throughout the bible, it is only men who did it.

Speak to them is simply her socially speaking to whoever speaks to her, exactly like a woman presenting her views and opinion here or talking to her company.

But we do not see her standing up to talk to the whole synagogue as the men do.

Veecruz:
The header of the thread already proves.that you are the liar, whose father is Satan for it is not talking about Eve sleeping with serpent.

So, you are just tell us that you are still bitterly wailing because you still could not find a counter to my presentation.

Veecruz:
Yet in all your ramblngs you could not coumter what you called a Lie whereas all lies are destroyed by valid arguments as i.have just done to you light cross, which is why you shifted the argument to another old case you still could not counter,

Hence proving the Truth of The Law that "There is no valid argument agsinst The Truth".

So denying the evidence does not.cbange the Truth proven by the evidence.

Veecruz:
And yet you could not validly.counter the presentation, since then till date. You obviously dont love Truths and you love denials like the man who sees the signs of his wife cheating yet says, its not true.



Deborah did not serve in the temple . She was just a natural Judge and must have been a fair judge which got her raised to the position of a Ruler. But she did not serve.in the temple.

Luke shows us that Ana lived in the temple and worshiped night and day with fasting and prayer, and she did not preach in it.

Veecruz:
You ridicule yourself and mock God. Disco lights, Headlights, street lights all throw this when a light hits a camera at a certain angle.

Even as little children, with our eyes we created this effect when we saw light at a distance, so its nothing. This is very very bad

Veecruz:
Did you.see a Levite girl/woman serve God and carry out the duty of the Levite?

Or did you see that a woman chosen to be one of the disciples of God when He came visiting?

Jokerman:
Bro, there's no where women were stopped for doing the work of God in the Bible...

And no one hates women.... However right from time Men have been the leaders according to God's order.

Man was created first, and given the power to lead.

You can't know more than Jesus who didnt even make a woman to be amongst his 12.... And that's the same line St Paul used to address the misgivings in the early Church....

Jokerman:
Why didn't Jesus use a woman amongst his 12? Or Jesus doesn't respect women?

Jokerman:
Don't be annoyed Sir....

Where did St Paul reject Jesus teachingd concerning women?

GreatAchiever1:
The guy is just a troll, I did mistake to try to reason with him, he's just unreasonable.

Jokerman:
Oga, where did you learn to go against Apostle Paul's teaching??

Isn't his teachings in tandem with the Lord Jesus Christ words?

GreatAchiever1:
Let's not even use the term temple because as we are aware the temple veil was torn when Christ died on the cross so what we have now is known as Church.
But that being said, I'm done with this discussion with you on female preachers, if you want to hold on to that, fine, do you. But this stupid ignorant talk of Apostle Paul teaching something that is heretical and antichrist speak so poor of you because it clearly shows you lack understanding, rebellious and you're very ill-mannered . Only God knows where you worship or who you learn from (and don't even dare say the Holy Spirit because He won't say Apostle Paul teach heresy and antichrist) because your doctrine and your words are so unorthodox.
Even people who defend the notion of female preachers won't even dare to say such of a biblical Apostle.
And because the words you speak is not the words of someone who believes the Bible is sufficient and inerrant, I'm done with this discussion.
As Christ says to those whom he reveals himself to and sends,
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.”
— John 13:20

Image123:
This people keep making a joke of the gospel. Light rays are now significant and image of cross. It's certain that people who claim to repent by seeing pictures like this are going to be as shallow as they come, ready for the next wind of pictures to blow them off.

GreatAchiever1:
Then go quickly and tell his disciples that he has risen from the dead, and behold, he is going before you to Galilee; there you will see him. See, I have told you.”
— Matthew 28:7

But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.”
— Mark 16:7


Now it was Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James and the other women with them who told these things to the apostles,
— Luke 24:10

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord”⁠—and that he had said these things to her.
— John 20:17-18

This is what is said in the four gospels, please where was it written that Mary should speak what she has seen in the temple or synagogue.
No one ever said that women should not evangelise or tell people about God, No, because everyone should do that as commanded in scriptures. But the bible has made that it that authoritative position is reserved for men as he ordered in the home, church and civil positions.
God -> Man -> Woman -> Children is the order God has ordained from the beginning since the time of Creation. This is why anytime the Apostle Paul speaks on any authoritative positions/situations, whether its Church leadership, Submission of wives to their husbands, headcoverings etc, he always points to the created order.



First off, as a whole the book of Judges shows how sinful Israel was at that time and were in a state of Judgement by God so we read it in a descriptive way rather than prescriptive.
Deborah was a great woman no doubt about that but she is no model to be used for women to serve in civil or church position as people usually claim.
I can talk about Deborah but let me see if I can highlight some key factors so that you can learn something even though I doubt you would take it, but I hope you do.
1. Deborah is not described in the same manner as the male judges, that is in "saving" Israel.
2. The bible didn't use the term "the LORD raised up" for Deborah as in the case of some male Judges (Judges 3:9, 15), and also didn't mention that "The Spirit of the Lord" was working in Deborah as he used in several of the Male judges (Judges 3:10; 6:34; 11:29; 13:25; 14:6, 19; 15:14)
3. Deborah judged Israel at a time when Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord, (Judges 4:1,4) therefore the context of having a woman as judge was not an ideal situation.
4. Deborah is never held up in Scripture the same was as the other Judges in Israel, she wasn't a ruler but calls herself mother in Israel Judges 5:7.
5. Deborah didn't serve as a military leader which was the primary role of the Judges, Men like Jephthah, Gideon, Samson, were brave military leaders who delivered Israel through warfare, but rather she urged Barak to fight(Judges 4:6-7), we know the story but it shows that Barak fulfilled the military role of a Judge not Deborah. (1 Samuel 12:11, Hebrews 11:32).


I agreed to the fact that I made an oversight of which you pointed me to my error, I took the correction and corrected myself, this is not the first time I'm wrong on something neither I'm sure would it be the last, but I'm always ready to take correction if necessary as the bible says.
The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise.
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.
— Proverbs 15:31-32
But your problem is you don't take correction, you are not ready to learn but still hold on to heretical doctrine that Apostle Paul thought something contrary to what Jesus taught. This is why you will not grow in your spiritual sanctification and knowledge because you are not ready to learn, and no Christian that understands the bible will ever take you serious if you ever say such to their hearings.


The fact remains that God doesn't use women to lead His people in the Church, home or civil positions. Even when the bible speak on women ruling in Isaiah 3:12, it isn't in a positive tune and as a matter of fact to spite men because none was worthy of holding and charging forth this responsibility so it's a shame to them, as some say, and I also say I see the same happening currently in this present culture if I'm being honest.
Historically, there are no women preachers/bishop or any Church authoritative office in church history from the times of the Apostles down until the 19th century which changed due to the rise of women's right.

Before you go up and down declaring heretic to a context you don't know how to use and showing forth your further ignorance to scripture by saying Paul had problems in his theology, this is my advice to you. I don't know if the OP is your mentor or it's the same person as you but if he is, desist from him.
1. Read and study the bible as the whole counsel and authoritative word of God.
2. If there is a place you encounter in scripture you have problems with, the problem is not the text but you, this is where prayer comes into play, for God to open your heart and mind to understand and fully grasp its meaning.
3. I would advise to go to a good Church that holds the bible in its proper understanding as the whole counsel of God and mostly to fellowship with like minded believers.
4. Read good Christian books (I for one, enjoy reading the Puritans, Reformers and sometimes the early Church Fathers amongst others). For a personal deep study, get good commentaries and also lexicon, this will help deepen your understanding of Scripture as you study them.
5. If you want to understand, what is taught in the Church and to hold on to a good doctrine, go read up on the Church History, Theology, and Hermeuneutics.
This is what I can think of right now, you can get most of them free online and I'm sure it will be helpful to you especially in times like these where the prince of the power of this age is working overtime in spreading lies not just in the culture and media through the sons of disobedience but some is also invading the Church through erroneous teaching such as these you have advocated thus far.
If you want to learn, I can try the best I can to help, but if you continue in this ignorant talks, well, you're on your own.

GreatAchiever1:
Tsk tsk tsk. When I see people claiming that Apostle Paul and Jesus Christ taught different things, automatically I become aware that their doctrine is bad and their theology is very poor. I'm sure you don't even know what it means when he said women shouldn't speak in Church, by speaking he means giving a message that is preaching in the church which is a task for pastor-elders which is a pastoral authoritative office for men, hence the follow up telling them to learn in submission. Go and look up the old testament and tell me, which female was a priest who had access to the holies of holies in the temple of God or even look at the Genesis Creation account and tell me who God gave the command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, even the books of the bible, while some books were pseudonymous. None was written by a woman.

Kathryn Kulman that had bad theology and was ecumenical, also married a man that was married before and then later left him claiming she wanted to be holy for the Lord. This is definitely not someone I would recommend.
Benny Hinn that has been exposed countless times. Just recently a Youtuber, dropped a 4 hours documentary about the false deception of Benny Hinn, but I'm not surprised, someone that is an exponent of the false prosperity message. Definitely not even someone I would recommend.
I know you keep bringing them up because of their workings about miracles, me I'm looking at what they preach on and if it tallies with scriptures.
Just look at yourself, you bringing up people who had false teachings with scripture, yet you dismiss the credibility of the Apostle Paul in scripture. If you don't want to learn, but keep saying heretic and antichrist up and down, I'm done with you. Because I can't even discuss with someone who for starters, doesn't believe the bible is the word of God, because of his personal bias against the Apostle Paul, you're no different from "Christian femininsts".

FYI: you're misrepresenting the word heresy, heresy as defined by dictionary is the belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine. And according to orthodox Christian doctrine, no female preachers, but you support the reverse. So please tell me who the real heretic is here?

GreatAchiever1:
What you're saying is really starting not to make sense, if you want to elevate females up to becoming divine, be my guest, but Its every where in scripture both in the old and new testament. When it comes to authority in position in the home, church or even civil positions, it's the men God placed to be leaders.
I won't even bother myself to explain anymore because I see you don't want to learn.

GreatAchiever1:
No scriptural evidence definitively confirms whether the 72 were all males or if a female was present. However, I adhere to the belief that no female was among the 72, primarily due to the patriarchal norms of that era. The duties of the 72 involved traveling to various cities to perform apostolic work, although they weren't explicitly called apostles as Jesus hadn't yet died and resurrected before sending them. Additionally, historical Greek documents, like the "Seventy Apostles of Christ," while not authoritative, provide insight into the biblical era, yet they do not mention any women. The notion of a female among the 72 often arises from modern cultural interpretations influenced by feminism and women's authority, which diverge from the biblical context.
If women were indeed present among the 72, why would the epistles instruct women to learn in submission within the Church, as seen in 1 Corinthians? Additionally, why would passages in 1 Timothy and Titus specify that bishops or overseers should be husbands of only one wife given that some of the 72 would become bishops/overseer in the Church?


Nice one for pointing out Acts 9:36, I should say that is an oversight from me. While it doesn't explicitly state that she was chosen by Jesus, it aligns with the concept of discipleship, which traditionally denotes a pupil rather than a teacher. In the ancient religious context, disciples were followers of religious teachers. The bolded statement I made earlier was contradictory; indeed, a follower is a disciple, and vice versa. This parallels with the understanding that all Christians today are to be disciples of Jesus.

GreatAchiever1:
What's with the idea of juxtaposing what the Apostle Paul said to what Jesus Christ said like as if they were talking about the same thing. You just brought passages in two different context to make a point, which doesn't correlate.
The first was about how Church should be conducted with men taking the full pastoral offices, the other is about witnessing to the resurrection of Christ.
How is this the same context to be used to prove a point?

GreatAchiever1:
Based on assumptions.
Again disciples of Jesus and followers of Jesus are two different things. There is no evidence of a female disciple of Jesus in the bible, only followers or servants in the church.

Jokerman:
I know Kathryn Kulman....and I don't hate women.

I respect women a lot. A lot...

Jokerman:
Pastor Lazarus Muoka..

Although I know you'd rubbish this, but as we all know, 'A prophet is not respected in his hometown'

Maynthemayn:
anything base on fear is ugly.

atheistconverta:
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.