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Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by Chikel20000(m): 1:26pm On Mar 31 |
GreatAchiever1:they r also disciples too 1 Like |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by Honestey: 1:28pm On Mar 31 |
"I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." Jesus like we believe in Islam is a prophet of God and this is very confirmed by Jesus himself. Stop committing sin of equating him to God for Almighty God(Allah) has no equal. I pray on to you all to find your way into Islam and be true worshippers of Almighty Allah. Peace be on to you. |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by GreatAchiever1: 1:32pm On Mar 31 |
Chikel20000: But were they disciples of Jesus that is, chosen by Jesus Christ himself to be His disciple? |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by jesusjnr2020(m): 1:33pm On Mar 31 |
Chikel20000:Don't mind the antichrists and wolves who come as sheep to mislead the gullible. How can Jesus' sheep see His glaring Words and Examples and yet choose to lay them aside to follow those of another whether in the Bible or not? I agree with you that there were women among the 72 disciples appointed by Jesus. It's glaring however don't expect the women-hating antichrists to want to accept the Truth of Christ no matter how glaring it is because it goes against their erroneous beliefs which they religiously hold fast to. |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by Honestey: 1:36pm On Mar 31 |
bobestman: Are you saying one of the great grand sons of Jesus is Biden who just Transgendered everything? |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by bobestman(m): 1:50pm On Mar 31 |
Honestey:Lol |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by sheeda995(f): 2:31pm On Mar 31 |
SeriouslySense:Jesus and Paul contradicting each other in the Bible lol |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by sheeda995(f): 2:33pm On Mar 31 |
jesusjnr2020:The truth you don't want to accept is that Jesus and Paul contradicts each other. Either one of them is wrong or both of them is wrong or none of then never existed or the writer is lying |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by jesusjnr2020(m): 2:39pm On Mar 31 |
sheeda995:I already accepted the Truth that Jesus is always right, and any contrary teaching, idea, opinion, whether of Paul, yours, mine or anyone else is always erroneous and false. You should too if you don't already. |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by GreenCovering: 3:03pm On Mar 31 |
Qur'an 20:115 And indeed, We once made a covenant with Adam, but he forgot, and ˹so˺ We did not find determination in him. In other words, prophet Adam (a.s.) 'forgot' to act with 'resoluteness' against the deceptions of shaytan through Hauwa his wife. After this incident, he repented and was eventually made a prophet of Allah Almighty. - tafsir maariful quran. So I don't know how this counts as a point for the conclusion you are drawing. Qur'an 7:143 When Moses came at the appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he asked, “My Lord! Reveal Yourself to me so I may see You.” Allah answered, “You cannot see Me! But look at the mountain. If it remains firm in its place, only then will you see Me.” When his Lord appeared to the mountain, He levelled it to dust and Moses collapsed unconscious. When he recovered, he cried, “Glory be to You! I turn to You in repentance and I am the first of the believers.” Well this is self explanatory as prophet Moses (a.s.) witnessed first hand the power of Allah Almighty and proclaimed "I am first to believe" in apparent awe. This is what any overwhelmed person will say. Again how does this even make a point for what you are saying? Qur'an 2:132 This was the advice of Abraham—as well as Jacob—to his children, ˹saying˺, “Indeed, Allah has chosen for you this faith; so do not die except in ˹a state of full˺ submission.” Again how is this relevant to your point? Qur'an 39:12 And I am commanded to be the first of those who submit "to His Will." Every human has been granted the power of free will. The prophets (alaihimussalam) sacrifice much of their free wills to act in line with the commandments of Allah Almighty while us laymen falter on this way too often. That is, why the prophets (alaihimussalam) are close to the angels in character. Here the holy prophet (s.a.w) says, I have been commanded to be the foremost of those who exercise this. Again missed point for your conclusion. See, it is not by drawing pictures up and down because you want control narrative in a public space, learn to get your facts right. I pity you and your likers. Buhari4dullard: Instead of you to tell us how Mary Magdalene got to Provence in France from Galilee and all the sensational details that followed, you want to derail the thread. |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by NovusHomo(m): 3:15pm On Mar 31 |
jesusjnr2020: No one. There was no jesus, so jesus did not die. if it did not die, then it could not have ressurected. |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by Escojesse: 3:26pm On Mar 31 |
Thank you father for being there for me and my family. |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by Chikel20000(m): 3:27pm On Mar 31 |
GreatAchiever1:we only heard about d names of d 12 disciples....we just heard from scriptures that he later appointed other 70....all I can say is that Christ disciples includes female too.... 1 Like |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by GreatAchiever1: 3:50pm On Mar 31 |
Chikel20000: Based on assumptions. Again disciples of Jesus and followers of Jesus are two different things. There is no evidence of a female disciple of Jesus in the bible, only followers or servants in the church. 1 Like |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by Hanndye: 4:01pm On Mar 31 |
jesusjnr2020:After Ressuration Jesus still had to present His body to the Father - telling Mary not to touch Him. It was after this that He received the full authority which He in turn transferred to the Disciples, giving them the marching order. |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by jesusjnr2020(m): 5:17pm On Mar 31 |
Hanndye:So they weren't the church despite being the same set of people until Jesus gave them the so-called marching orders, then boom! All the rules suddenly changed and every instruction or teaching Jesus gave prior to that, including His appointment of disciples or apostles. They all became null and void because according to you, the church has not yet started. Oshe! |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by Dbakre1: 5:31pm On Mar 31 |
Oga Paul (originally Saul) was ever a disciple of Jesus. As a matter of fact, him and Jesus never met apart from the 'road to Damascus story he told. jesusjnr2020: |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by Hanndye: 6:08pm On Mar 31 |
jesusjnr2020:Hebrews 9:16-18 For where there is a will and testament involved, the death of the one who made it must be established, for a will and testament takes effect [only] at death, since it is never in force as long as the one who made it is alive. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman. that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the. word of truth." |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by jesusjnr2020(m): 6:28pm On Mar 31 |
Hanndye:You're the one wrongly dividing the Word, rejecting the example and teaching of Jesus, the Word of God, because you want to by all means defend a contrary and erroneous teaching in the name of "the church has not started yet." Are the church not meant to follow Jesus' teachings and example regardless? |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by Gratitudes081(m): 6:38pm On Mar 31 |
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Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by SIRTee15: 11:35pm On Mar 31 |
Honestey: Become muslim so that I will now be bowing down to a stone? Thanks but offer rejected. God hates idolatry and paganism. |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by SIRTee15: 12:03am On Apr 01 |
Honestey: Besides let's test the monotheistic claim in Islam. Is the shin of Allah one with Allah? |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by tiswell(m): 2:35am On Apr 01 |
gohf:which one is female apostle again? |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by galantjoe(m): 4:03am On Apr 01 |
Mary Magdalene was Jesus mistress. There is some scholars called bloodline of Jesus meaning that Jesus and Mary Magdalene have children. |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by PropertyBuying(f): 7:28am On Apr 01 |
Peter and Thomas 😊🤔🤷 |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by sheeda995(f): 5:49pm On Apr 01 |
jesusjnr2020:What if Jesus is always right but the writer of the Bible is lying on Jesus or wrong?. Do you know the Bible was rewritten by the British? And was usually of political purpose? do you know if they lied or not?or say what Jesus didn't say? Tell me how you are sure the writers weren't lying on Jesus? |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by atheistconverta: 5:40am On Apr 02 |
Jokerman:Continue deceiving yourselves, you Paul-worshipping and women-hating antichrists in the order of the Pharisees. You haven't compared Lazarus Mouka to men as Julio Cesar Ruibal that God used to bring revival to Bolivia, who emerged from her ministry. I'm not even going to talk of Benny Hinn, who kept mentioning her name in his teachings and books, it's Kathryn Kulman the woman widely regarded as a God's general because of the rare degree of mighty works God used her to accomplish more than most men, that you want to compare to a man that is still yet to convince even Nigerian to be anything special in the respect of mighty works, despite all the loud noise being made by his members everyday about the testimonies shared in his church. God would continue using women as Kathryn Kulman to confound you women-haters who reject the teachings and examples of Jesus, so that you may embrace erroneous and denigrating teachings of men as apostle Paul about women that suit your women-hating tendencies. |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by Jokerman(m): 7:22am On Apr 02 |
atheistconverta: I know Kathryn Kulman....and I don't hate women. I respect women a lot. A lot... |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by atheistconverta: 9:02am On Apr 03 |
Jokerman:For you to make such a blunderous statement about her, it must be bourne out of ignorance or anti-women sentiments. Did you know what God used her to do and the gravity of power that accompanied her despite being a woman? Go and read about her so you would stop making such ridiculous comments if you don't really know about her. As for respecting women, you obviously don't otherwise you wouldn't be making and supporting such demeaning and false claims and teachings about them as this of Paul, especially when you had been shown that it goes against the teaching and example of Christ. Just in case though you mistakenly did that, here's what Paul said again and compare with what Christ Himself said so that you can correct yourself, otherwise prove me right about your hatred for women and that your lord is indeed Paul and not Christ. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." - Paul "I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." - Jesus |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by atheistconverta: 9:27am On Apr 03 |
GreatAchiever1:If his was based on assumptions why not show us where it was stated in the Bible that there was no woman among the 72 disciples appointed by Jesus to prove yours is not and you're not being a hypocrite? Btw, Acts 9:36 proves the bolded is false and only based on assumptions ironically, so you're the one being heretical here. Cc.Chikel20000 |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by GreatAchiever1: 11:33am On Apr 03 |
atheistconverta: No scriptural evidence definitively confirms whether the 72 were all males or if a female was present. However, I adhere to the belief that no female was among the 72, primarily due to the patriarchal norms of that era. The duties of the 72 involved traveling to various cities to perform apostolic work, although they weren't explicitly called apostles as Jesus hadn't yet died and resurrected before sending them. Additionally, historical Greek documents, like the "Seventy Apostles of Christ," while not authoritative, provide insight into the biblical era, yet they do not mention any women. The notion of a female among the 72 often arises from modern cultural interpretations influenced by feminism and women's authority, which diverge from the biblical context. If women were indeed present among the 72, why would the epistles instruct women to learn in submission within the Church, as seen in 1 Corinthians? Additionally, why would passages in 1 Timothy and Titus specify that bishops or overseers should be husbands of only one wife given that some of the 72 would become bishops/overseer in the Church? Nice one for pointing out Acts 9:36, I should say that is an oversight from me. While it doesn't explicitly state that she was chosen by Jesus, it aligns with the concept of discipleship, which traditionally denotes a pupil rather than a teacher. In the ancient religious context, disciples were followers of religious teachers. The bolded statement I made earlier was contradictory; indeed, a follower is a disciple, and vice versa. This parallels with the understanding that all Christians today are to be disciples of Jesus. 1 Like |
Re: Who First Saw Jesus After His Resurrection? by GreatAchiever1: 11:46am On Apr 03 |
atheistconverta: What's with the idea of juxtaposing what the Apostle Paul said to what Jesus Christ said like as if they were talking about the same thing. You just brought passages in two different context to make a point, which doesn't correlate. The first was about how Church should be conducted with men taking the full pastoral offices, the other is about witnessing to the resurrection of Christ. How is this the same context to be used to prove a point? 1 Like |
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