₦airaland Forum

SuperSuave:
watching arsenal play, I'm ashamed to say I'm a united fan.
see clean footworks, see accurate passes, see fine style of play unlike the long ball and anywhere belle face united dey play.

Did you also see league position?

gypsey:
Thanks! i will take that as a compliment, anything else reasonable you would like to add?

Atleast i get the oppoturnity to go global, unlike Ignoramuses like you

Well.. Giving how much of a loser you are, being recognised as stupid globally is an achievement for you.

gypsey:
thank you!!! you are correct i don't pay tax not to nigerian Government anyway, give me one good reason why i should pay tax in nigeria. And i will give you the tax personally myself.

it's Ignorant cowards like you who are the reason the crooked buhari's government gets away with corruptions

And it's inhumane nitwits like you who give us a bad name on the global map..

gypsey:
innocent children has been dying of hunger, sickness and poverty in nigeria, and No mention of it, Yusufu falls of our taxed paid for motobike and we are supposed to sympathise with him,

well.. do not expect any sinparty from me Zhara or Zahra. perhaps he is paying for his father's sinns, oh! and by the way were did he see and how much did he pay for the petrol to power his bike? did he pay the same 300 nigerians are struggling to buy petrol? Anu mpama!!

Shut the hell up! People like you don't even pay tax..

This one problem na Christmas message from bank..

Taa shatap there..

TyrantInAsoRock:
You call pogba fraud?



Lolzz

And for ur info pogba is not a 10 his job is to link defence with the attack in which he has excelled

This is professional football not Sunday set where a single person play 5 roles

He's a central midfielder not attacking midfielder


Midfielder are good when surrounded by good playe

U want pogba to do the job of a 10 and 8 because he has two heads?

No player in that squad has effect on our overall performance like pogba

Remove "the fraud" from that squad and we will be fighting for survival alongside Swansea and Crystal Palace


Ibrahimovic of old is an ancestor to lukaku but the Ibra I saw against Bristol is just bad nowhere near lukaku even lukaku threaten Bristol defence more than he did the whole match


We need massive revamping


If not for the likes of de gea Valencia bailly (which injury destroy) matic pogba, martial that have been able to squeeze out some good performance

We are surviving on individual performance until we get a team together they will continue to mess up

Leave all these people who think inter house sport football, is the same as professional football..

moonraker:
Highlights?? Really??

Strikers main objective is to score goals.

For his price tag which in the long run could be more than what Neymar got, i expect him to bang goals.

Remind me, How much did Salah cost liverpool?? He is the top scorer in the league and is not even a striker.

So he would conjure the ball to his feet and score ba.. Even when he isn't fed the ball

homesteady:
OK, you just shot yourself in the foot Which business organization does something like that? Don't you know that the most important virtue that a business organisation must have is integrity? So you think if this was their ModusOperandi they would be able to secure loans from banks and to secure international deals with foreign distribution companies?
So lets imagine the conversation between FilmOne and tax collectors -
FilmOne - here is our turnover for this year

Tax Auditor - Ermm, but I thought you claimed that you made so so amount from these movies, so why are we seeing lesser figures here?

FilmOne - *laughs out loud. Don't mind us jare, we were just trying to deceive the public, especially people like homesteady. Continues laughing.

Can you see how awkward the conversation is?

Concerning the research - That's the reason why Millions of Nigerians don't go to the cinema, although a minute reason because it would rather be they would wait to collect it from someone that has it. And it majorly applies to Hollywood movies because people download more Hollywood movies.

When you start taking something too far.. You lose your point. Which you have lost.. Don't be naive on how the movie industry works. Your sample conversation is a clear example of the naivety you have about the industry. Business organizations use this strategy. Years back WWE(you know how big the company is) exaggerated figures on attendance, some Bollywood movies have been called out about box office earnings exaggerations( do your research) hollywood too. If Nigeria had transparent box office trackings and checks, this would have been made public. I wish you could see the records of tickets sold in cinemas, you would be amazed.

homesteady:
Are you deliberately trying not to get what I'm saying? You said Nigerians would prefer going to watch a Hollywood movie over a Nollywood movie which I agreed to. I then went further to explain using sample cases around me to show that these Hollywood gang also trooped in to watch TWP and A trip to Jamaica, especially TWP. Talk a walk on your street, find people who prefers to watch Hollywood movies at the cinema, at least 80% would tell you that they saw TWP.
There were countless threads on TWP 1 on Nairaland, and many posters stated that that was the only Nollywood movie they've gone to see at the cinema.

Did you actually read the article? It was clearly stated that the Wedding party figures were verified from filmOne. Do you know how tax works? I asked you a question and I need you to give me a specific answer. Do you think FilmOne would release false figures and show the tax people the real figures?

Yes.. They would.. Verified by filmone means nothing. When box office numbers are verified, trackings are provided not mere articles. Btw there are so many people who hold a different view on TWP. During a research, it was discovered that Nigerians would rather wait to download a movie than to see it in the cinemas. So your case study is void here. If they can provide bo trackings from any other review site other than filmone, then I would fully accept. There are actual records from the box office, and those records are not for show. So you believe everything claimed on social media? A trip to Jamaica and TWP didn't rake in as much as they claimed and that's the truth..

homesteady:
So are you implying that filmhouse cinemas would give false figures to the public and now show tax collectors the actual figures? Seriously? Do you think Nigeria is some sort of banana Republic where anything goes?

This tax point is enough to end this argument, I still don't know what you are still arguing on.

Of course marketing still goes which leads to increase in the boxoffice figures, that was never in contention, or was it?
Your only base in this argument has been that you have worked with some producers. Okay did the producer also lie about his boxoffice ratings? Which movie was that?

Where you in anyway involved in any process that concerned the distribution of TWP? If no, so why should I take your opinion over what filmOne house says and would even be taxed on? Please tell me why?

Did you miss the part where I discussed on the Hollywood gang going in troops to watch TWP and a trip to Jamaica? For you not to know this just simply means that you are in no whatsoever position to tell me about their boxoffice turnover.

Your Hollywood gang friend's now determine figures.. Did that article provide any form of box office trackings, you think tax is based on whatever is said on social media? Is there any site that showed the daily box office trackings other than what the producer's claim.. You're obviously a novice in marketing strategies. How can you judge using the fact that people you know went to watch the movie.. Don't believe any everything on social media.. If I mention names, you wouldn't know them. Let's just leave it as it is.

homesteady:
I have not directly told you that the producers telling you that the figures are exaggerated are lying, instead I have brought hard facts to counter the claim and unfortunately you haven't brought any hard fact, except hearsay from producers.

I'm an active twitter user, I know PR tweets looking at them a thousand miles away, and those weren't PR tweets.

Yes I'm not arguing that people are more inclined to see Hollywood than Nollywood. Among my group of friends and those around me, I'm the only person who goes to the cinema to watch Nollywood movies. I have had countless arguments with people on Nollywood bashing, and almost everyone who passes by always join the Hollywood gang. But when Wedding party and a trip to Jamaica came out, these set of people all trooped to the cinema to watch these movies. These same set of people are also trooping in to watch TWP 2. And I'm sure this is the same everywhere. More reason for me to believe that the figures are real.

Mind you I just showed you a link where they said FilmOne had accessible figures on the movies they distribute, and I told you if they inflate the movies, it means more tax for them. You didn't say anything about this.

Isn't it based on actual records they are taxed, don't you know they have the records? You think everything you read online is true? Filmone is also part of the production units of the movie. I'm telling you stuff I've seen and you're saying 'hearsay'. The twitter thing is a big stunt, you need to go to sb ikeja and see these producers and actors marketing the movies right there in the cinema. You guys outside lagos think everything is as smooth as they tell you it is. You are just assuming all cinema's in lagos were sold out by TWP. Abi you think marketing stops when the movies are finally out in cinemas. Earnings aren't the only things exaggerated in showbiz, even turnouts are sometimes exaggerated. Forget social media and articles, I work with a production house and these are things my eyes are opened to now. And that article is just singing the praise of TWP.. A filmone project.

homesteady:
That's the problem, you are yet to come to grips with Nollywood cinema growth. Since last year, Nollywood movies has been beating Hollywood movies at Nigerian cinemas. Wedding Party gave Hollywood movies a very big trouncing, same with A trip to Jamaica.

I definitely know that they won't get sell outs at all showtimes, but it was all over twitter during the first and second day that all the tickets in most Lagos cinemas were booked, even tickets for the 10pm viewing! People were complaining. So can you see that I'm not just basing my arguement on some of my random convictions? I have solid bases and my calculations have proved it to be possible.

I just believe that you think nothing truthful can come out from Nigerians, that's just the problem.

Here is a part of an article I got from Bella Naija

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.bellanaija.com/2017/01/amazing-nigerian-movies-gross-over-n1-billion-in-2016/amp/

So can you see that there is an actual rating system or records by filmOne? Or would you say they are also lying? I hope you won't say so, because if they are actually posting more figures that they are getting, it translates to more tax.

Nollywood movies beating hollywood movies in the cinemas? Most of these are propaganda. I'm not talking based on assumptions. I've worked with some people in the industry. Exaggerated figures are not exclusive to nollywood. As for the twitter ish, it's all pr.. Social media is a tool.. Mind you I stay in lagos and I know what I'm saying. Don't believe everything you read online.. I was once like you until I ventured into filmmaking. There are simple tricks employed by filmmakers. And I should let you know, silverbird ikeja is a big player in box office earnings.. Check the viewing times on their site, check the movies in the cinemas. The truth is your average Nigerian would rather go see a hollywood movie instead. Right now, there's so much going on in the Nigerian cinema. A trip to Jamaica is another movie with exaggerated figures. They use the hype as a fertile ground to exaggerate figures.

homesteady:
I've been to cinemas in Kano and Benin, I've observed their cinema cultures and it is very impressive and they don't even compare to Lagos in social status, so that means I even expect Lagos to have double the amount of cinema goers in the aforementioned States.
I watched TWP part 1 twice both in Kano and in Benin like 2 weeks apart, and the cinemas were full on both occasions. So pray tell me why i shouldn't believe that the same or even more would be happening in Lagos, Abuja, Port Harcourt etc?
I have been an ardent follower of Nollywood movies, last year I even did a preview of top 2016 movies, because I watched many and I also observed their crowd. Any movie can not just come and claim very high figures like this without people knowing it was a lie.

Besides, concerning the cinema figures, i forgot to mention that the IJGB people are now around and more are still trooping in from Abroad. They formed a noteworthy percentage of those that watched Wedding Party 1.

Can you explain more on the focusing on the schedule? Because I already paid attention to the scheduling by saying that the film house in cinema are showing that film 9 times in a day now. Note that I didn't say that the tickets were sold out at every showing.

Besides, can you bring empirical evidence to backup your points, because we are just doing back and forth argument here.

You know what, believe what you want.. It's only a producer who takes his/her movie to the cinemas, who will understand that people trooping into the cinema doesn't guarantee box office figures. Now let me tell you about scheduling. If a movie is showing 9 times like you claim, it would sell out probably twice(depending on the run time).. Believe me, filmhouse cinemas would give TWP better scheduling time than any other cinema because film one is the distribution of TWP. Nigerians are not in the habit of seeing a 'nollywood' movie with the same zeal they have for the hollywood movies. So the amount of people in the cinema is not enough criteria to judge. As for your evidence, find a producer deeply rooted in the industry and appeal to him to tell you the koko..

homesteady:
1)The industry is filled with beef, if boxoffice figures are always exaggerated, people in the know would have leaked it out. Daddy Freeze would have already pointed it out. Besides if the figures were unattainable as you claimed, Nigeria Twitter would be debating it right now.
2) Nigeria cinema culture is growing at a fast pace, that's why cinemas are springing up everywhere, except in the East which I can't explain why. These days, it would be quite strange to hear that a young person hasn't been to a cinema, of course there are exceptions. Heck, people are now even proposing in cinemas while the movie is going on by pausing the movie and displaying the proposal question on the screen. It seems you are yet get to grasps with Nigeria rapid 'westernized' culture growth.

3)like I said earlier, every Star studded movie would have used the same trick if it was possible, or do you think it's only Mo Abudu that is smart enough to think of that trick?

You think those in the media would leak it.. Wake up dude. You obviously don't know what's going on in the industry. Exaggerated figures are not new in the movie industry. Have you been opportuned to see actual box office figures, there's a big difference between what is told to the public. Nigeria cinema culture is not about the amount of cinemas built, how do nollywood movies actually fare in the cinemas. TWP is not the only movie to exaggerate figures. Even some hollywood studios do that. Like I said earlier, pay attention to schedulings at the cinema..

homesteady:
I have course to believe that they are not lying. I did some estimated calculations and I deducted that 60,000 people watched it for it to rake in 78 million.
I used 1500 for half and 1000 for the other half of the population. And note that some cinemas charged as much as 3k from what I saw on Twitter.

So are you trying to say 60k people can not go to the cinema to watch this movie in the whole of Nigeria with a population of over 180 million people?
Cinemas showrooms have an average sitting capacity of at least 100, and I haven't seen such because they are mostly above 150 capacity and the movie was showed at least 4 times in a day. . The only assignment I have for you is to check for the number of cinemas in Nigeria.

If you do all this, you would know that the figures are not far-fetched.

Did you also check the cinema scheduling? The fact that it sold out in one cinema, doesn't mean it sold out in all.. The population of a country does not determine box office success.. Have you checked the cinema culture of Nigeria, dude they're lots of factors when it comes to the cinema. I've had the opportunity to work with some producers and I can tell you, box office figures are exaggerated. It's part of market strategy

homesteady:
Then why are other movies not always associated with very high figures?
Nigeria has a very high population, and the socially inclined part of the population is still very high. we haven't even reached our potential in cinema business sef.

The strategy won't work on all movies.. Do you believe ay raked in as much as was claimed?.. Nigeria has a high population doesn't count in cinema viewings..

homesteady:
You should also get your own dose of Would you quiet. Do you think Nigeria and Nigerians would forever remain backward like you? Just in filmhouse cinema in Benin, they are showing the movie 9 times in a day, at a price of 1.5k and 1k with students ID. When I watched it yesterday, there were more than 100 people also watching it. That's at least 100k in just one session. Using estimates about 500 people at the price of 1k would have watched it yesterday. Now do the maths. Note that there is another top cinema in Benin.
Going down to Lagos, do you know how many cinemas are there.
Oga abeg if you no know something, no dey talk anyhow.

It's an open secret in the industry that figures are exaggerated, it may have raked in a decent amount, but not up to the amount stated..

100naira:
nobody is on your ass, in fact it's the other way around. And nobody is celebrating any win when there wasn't even any competition to start with, we are simply tired of reading the same ass back b'tching about how Disney is intentionally f'cking with DC movies every time it flops.

Gbamsolutely....

Dudes exhibiting pms as they're getting trolled.. Forreelinc dem for don burst your head if no be nairaland

Tbh.. The lyrics are just there, nothing deep..

Because eminem did it...

Settingz321:
This can not even happen to an immigrants in some advance countries talkless of a citizen

Police brutality isn't exclusive to Nigeria alone..

Minemrys:
seriously i d0n't understand what u guys mean by envy. Is it envy if u point out the bias critics have against s0me products when reviewing it? If it was, then i guess envy made martin luther or malcolm x fight for blacks' rights in america. These critics favor s0me products bt if other products produce s0mething different, they bash it and wish they made it like the favoured product. And if they did the exact thing, they trash it despite having praised the former for same fault. These are c0mm0n tropes that need to be pointed out so people will kn0w their view is what matterz instead of the views of opini0n leaderz. Envy is when i start hating the avengers or a product cos of the m0ney it makes. Am n0t envious, and bro drop this marvel/dc thingy, i d0n't do such. You needn't reply me when i gave my review of JL, rather u drop ur alternative opini0n of it. I stated mine, u weren't forced to accept it.

Wow.. You compared your conspiracy theory to the beliefs of martin luther and Malcolm x.. Just wow

Minemrys:
if critics reviewed DC films without making references to Marvel films, will they fall ill?

Lately, you've been coming across as an envious fellow.. Hope it's paying off for you..

Minemrys:
Justice League was dope. The famous shirt rip scene. The villain was okay bt n0t bad like its being made out to be. Bad is what whiplash was in ir0n man 2 bt then, that m0vie got a higher rating. There are faults in it like in every m0vie but n0t the way critics make it out to be. Aquaman was funny, that lasso scene had me laughing. And, diana punched Bruce.
JL 8/10.

If you commend the movie without making an attempt at comparison, will you fall ill?

Minemrys:
dude whats your problem with DC fans and DC films? Ever since i n0ticed u've never typed any positive thing regarding the both parties [fans and films]. And m0st times, you often spearhead or intensify the flame wars. Chill man. Its just a m0vie. No grudges.

Robert greene was spot on in law 44

Kingrapha:
like I said it sounded generic and star warsish but I'll wait till I see the film......and Rupert gregson Williams did a remarkable job with ww... And only 15% of people remember themes, I saw ragnarok a week ago I can't remember any track.....so it's a staple to the overall film but it's not that big of a deal....DC fans react excessively over everything, you should see the comments

A round of applause for this!!.. Especially the last sentence..

SMUAG:
THEN WHY THE ''Oga Linus.....Easy na''?

You know

SMUAG:
GOOGLE IS YOUR NEIGHBOUR MY FRIEND..... YOU DONT NEED TO DO THE MATH YOURSELF. OK, LET ME HELP A BIT...
SPIDER-MAN: HC
OPENING WEEKEND = $117M
FINAL DOMESTIC BO = $334M

GoTG2:
OPENING WEEKEND = $146M
FINAL DOMESTIC BO = $389M

CA:CW
OPENING WEEKEND = $179
FINAL DOMESTIC BO = 408

DR STRANGE:
OPENING WEEKEND = $85M
FINAL DOMESTIC BO = $232

ONE CRITICS CERTIFIED FRESH (BRAINWASHED) MOVIE FROM DCEU. BOOOOM!
WW:
OPENING WEEKEND = $103M
FINAL DOMESTIC BO = $412M

Who disputed numbers with you?

SMUAG:
THAT'S MY POOR/AVERAGE RATING

Abegii..

SMUAG:
I FEEL MCU IS GRADUALLY LOSING ITS GRIPS ON MOVIE GOERS. MY THEATRE WITH A CAPACITY OF 200-250 HAD ONLY 20 (INCLUDING ME AND MY FRIEND) PERSONS IN IT FOR ITS FIRST WEEKEND SUNDAY. SAME THING WITH SPIDER-MAN: HC...
I DONT SEE RAGNAROK DOING #350 DOMESTICALLY BY THE TIME IT FINISHES IT RUN... THEIR LEGGY STAYING POWER IS DIMINISHING SLOWLY DOMESTICALLY, DESPITE THEIR POWERFUL ''WORD OF MOUTHS''.

Oga linus.. Easy na