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oyatz:
Nooooo, Olu of Warri is a historical title.

The title of every king always State their kingdom e.g Emir of Kano, Dein of Agbor, Amanayabo of Opobo, Obong of Calabar.

Warri is the name of a place while Itsekiri is a name of a tribe.

It was in 1951 that the Western Regional Government temporarily accepted the demands of other tribes in WARRI PROVINCE (not not be confused with Warri Kingdom just as Enugu is not exactly the same as Enugu State or Sokoto exactly the same as Sokoto State) to declare that the king should be addressed as Olu of Itsekiri.



This was however reversed in 1952 in an amicable manner in which both sides reached a compromise; the name of the Province was Changed to a neutral name that accommodate every tribes- DELTA PROVINCE.


Nobody is contesting the ownership or boundaries of Ogbe-Ijo, Isaba, Okumagba and those places. There names have always been their names, though they were in the old Warri Pronvince but not originally parts of Warri Kingdom. The city recently expanded to those areas just as Yaba, Ajegunle, Iponri ,Itire weren't parts of original Lagos Kingdom but are parts of Lagos State.

Today, the city of Onitsha now include Nkpor and almost include Ogidi and many neighbouring villages but they weren't parts of Onitsha in 1952.

oyatz:
Why crying wolf where there's none?


The supreme court has ruled that the Olu of Warri is a valid title. QED.


1) Before 1950, the whole of Delta State was known as Warri Pronvince
2) The King of Warri has always been known historically as the Olu of Warri. The full title of kings always specify their domains e.g Obi of Onitsha ( Not Obi of Igbos), Dein of Agbor (not Dein of Ika tribe), Ooni of Ife (not Ooni of Yoruba) etc


3) Urhobos, Ijaws and other tribes petitioned the Western Regional Government that the title of the king is misleading because he wasn't the traditional ruler of all the tribes in Warri Pronvince.

4) The Western Regional Government accepted the compliants of the Ijaws, Urhobos and other tribes and issued an official gazzet that the king should use the title of 'Olu of Itsekiri' in 1951.

5) The Itsekiris felt dissatisfied and wrote their own pettion to higher authorities, the Governor-General of Nigeria in Lagos and copied the British Government in London who referred the matters back to the Western Regional Government to look into it.

6) Awolowo called a meeting of parliamentarians from that area to iron out the matter.
They later took the case to Western Regional Assembly for thorough debates.

7) After much debates into the matter, amicable resolutions accepted by all parties were reached;

a) That the name of the province be changed from Warri Pronvince to Delta Province.

b) That the Olu could revert to his earlier title of Warri (since his reign will only be limited to his town of Warri).

With passage of time, Warri expanded into territories of other tribes. Many neighbouring villages also started calling their areas 'Warri'

oyatz:
The Olu of Warri title is a traditional title and has nothing to do with LGA.


The issues were thoroughly debated and resolved in the Western Regional Assembly in 1952 with amicable solutions acceptable to both sides;

1) That Warri Pronvince (the whole of present Delta State) should be renamed Delta Province, a neutral name that accommodate all tribes in the Pronvince.


2) That the King of Warri can revert back to his historical title, The Olu of Warri. The Western Regional Government ,acting on petitions by Urhobos, Ijaws and other tribes had earlier in 1951 accepted to change the title to Olu of Itsekiri.

However, the Itsekiris cross petitioned to Lagos and the British Government.

oyatz:
I hope you know that the Ijaws and Urhobos have taken the Olu of Warri matter to court and they lost at the Apex court?

ibuildstuff:
Funny enough I'm from ugborodo and we have never insisted on such.

But answer my question are u from warri

ibuildstuff:
Funny enough I'm from ugborodo and we have never insisted on such.

But answer my question are u from warri

ibuildstuff:
B4 i go further are u from warri or even delta state.
Because u seem lost. Urhobo doesn't have a unified history, the urhobo in warri, okpe n ughelli has different history.
Even okpe people will tell u they are not urhobo.
So what exactly do u mean by urhobo history.

ibuildstuff:
I really don't know why the urhobo and ijaws are scared of itsekiri that made them created the own kingdom within the itsekiri king, itsekiri are not dragging those land with them, the urhobo own those land just as itsekiri own land in urhobo quarters too.

Speaking about the crown, itsekiri has many ancestral crowns, it is allowed in itsekiri for a king to make his own crown of he doesn't want to wear his father's crown. So the crown is not even an issue here.

Now look at this write up written by an urhobo man maybe u will get more understanding.

A long read
Cc: Billy Oghenebrume.
Cc. David Omare Mikie. Ace

LET PEACE REIGN IN RESPECT TO THE TITLE OLU OF WARRI.

The Itsekiri people do not have problem with Urhobo speaking people. Having issues of title to lands with Okumagba family and Agbassa people who are Urhobos does not amount to Itsekiri people having ethnic war with Urhobo speaking people. Itsekiris are peace loving people and will continue to be peace loving.

I particularly don't see any of my friend in Warri on ethnic lines because we share almost everything but Warri as a city and as a name has it own history from pre colonial, to inter colonial and post colonial era and by virtue of Supreme Court judgements to lands which ethnic sentiments can no longer change.

In post and inter colonial times, Warri served as the base for Portuguese, Dutch and British slave traders hence early western education by Itsekiri people. Warri was ruled by Itsekiri elites and the last GOVERNOR OF WARRI is the person of Chief Dore Numa. Warri was made PROVINCIAL headquarters (WARRI PROVINCE) by the British in the early 20th century.

Because WARRI PROVINCE then covered the whole of present day delta state, the OLU OF WARRI TITLE gave birth to protest from various ethnic groups within the province in 1950 through 1951 that the Olu of Warri title should be changed to Olu of Itsekiri which was temporally granted by the government for peace to reign.

But Warri is a name of a place to a people, aside being the capital of the then Warri province. there is nowhere like no man's land, everywhere are attached to a people. The Itsekiri people responded by virtue of history that they don't own the entire Warri province but they own Warri as a place, as a town and as a people such should reflect in the title of their King.

After the coronation of Ginuwa II, Itsekiri people petitioned Lagos and London, making a case for their Olu's title. This matter became an issue of topical importance, and no less a person than Dr. Nnamdi Azikwe then contributed to the debate in the West African Pilot of 14 May 1940 as follows:
"His highness Ginuwa II is Olu of the Itsekiri speaking people who live in Warri Township. If the matter is to be discussed in detail, it will be found that a definite title is necessary, in which case the Olu of Warri seems to be most historically and correct. When we speak of the Oba of Lagos, we refer to the paramount Native Ruler of Lagos Township, although Lagos is populated mainly by Yoruba speaking peoples and Lagos is part of Yoruba land. So too, in the case of his Highness Ginuwa II, the Olu of Warri is the paramount Native Ruler of Itsekiri speaking people and Warri town is Itsekiri Land"

That was vintage Dr. Azikiwe, a patriot and nationalist also joined the debate on the OLU OF WARRI TITLE in those days. Then, when independence drew near, Awolowo, the government leader in the Western Region, well known for never tocing Dr. Azikiwe's political lines, had to take the matter of the Olu of Warri title to Parliament in 1952. After a healthy debate there, the Delta parliamentarians accepted that WARRI PROVINCE be changed to DELTA PROVINCE so that Warri, as a name, an a place should revert to those who had it.

On the prompting by London, the governor general in Lagos, following the parliamentary approval of the title "THE OLU OF WARRI" In Ibadan in May 1952, wrote a report to London dated 14 Oct 1952 justifying the change, saying it was based on "sound historical grounds especially as Warri Division (sic. Jekri-sobo Division) which consisted of two areas, the Itsekiri and the Sobo area" had been separated (C544/708/of Colonial records)

This change, acclaimed as a victory by all parties including (Urhobos) involved, removed the universal impression that all ethnic groups in the province would be regarded as subjects of the Olu of Warri because of the former name "Warri Province". The non-Itsekiri Parliamentarians were all satisfied with the change, Hon... Otutu, a Kwale parliamentarian on their behalf, proclaimed in the Daily Times of 31 January 1953: "we accept the change." On the Itsekiri side, rightful title of their Olu had reverted to the ancient throne.

Note: Historical facts.

In recent, those protesting against the title of the Olu of Warri are ignorant of what their forebears had accepted and adopted approximately 60 years ago in good faith.

I repeat the Olu of Warri title has grown in history and legacy above ethnic lines. Warri is for everyone to stay but the title the Olu of Warri cannot be change in history.

THE CREATION OF NEW AND RIVAL KINGDOMS IN NIGERIA IS NOT PART OF THE ITSEKIRI PEOPLE CHARACTER.

Now the reading public may be able to assess from these verifiable facts and the reasonableness and
peace-loving nature of the Itsekiri in Delta State

The "Okumagba family" merely won a possessory title (see radical title) to a 281.1-acre farmland near Okere part of Warri by a court judgment and has sought to have a rival kingdom in Warri called "Okere Urhobo kingdom". Now look, "the Mene-Okotie family" of "Itsekiri extraction" has by a judgment in suit no. S/66/69 of the same Supreme Court won a 775.10-acre family land within the Urhobo kingdom of Mosagar, to the relief and joy of the entire Mosagar Community, the Mene-Okotie family has shunned setting up a kingdom there.

Also Gbolokposo, another Itsekiri Community, by another Supreme Court judgment, No. Sc/98/1993, has won and radically owns 1993.77 acres of their land under the overlordship of the Olu of Warri within the Uvwie kingdom in Urhobo land. Today they are living happily together and the Gbolokposo Itsekiri are not thinking of setting up any kingdom in Uvwie land.

If we go by ownership of land whether possessory ( given to settlers and customary tenants who have settle for a long time) or radical title given to (Aboriginals) by the equation,

1993.77 ÷ 281, 775.10 ÷ 281.1, this will give the Itsekiri people 7 kingdoms in Uvwie (URHOBO LGA) and approximately 3 Itsekiri kingdoms in Mosagar(IN URHOBO LGA) .

Should Itsekiri start saying that there should not be an Ovie of Uvwie or there should not be Ovie of Mosagar?

Should Itsekiri people start proliferating kingdoms in those places they have radical titles to land?I guess many Urhobos will frown. As much as people can choose to do what they like, We cannot afford to be having kingdoms on every piece of land.

You can read this https://lawcarenigeria.com/chief-sam-warri-esi-vs-the-chief-secretary-to-the-federation-of-nigeria-ors/

oyatz:
1) The FG has nothing to do with Issues pertaining to Traditional Rulers, they are handled by the States and LGAs.


2) The original Warri is an Itsekiri Kingdom. Infact,Warri is the Anglicized form of Iwerre.

The city has however expanded into territories of the Isoko and Urhobos who have their own Traditional Rulers. Ijaw territories are also now very close to Warri city.

ibuildstuff:
I really don't know why the urhobo and ijaws are scared of itsekiri that made them created the own kingdom within the itsekiri king, itsekiri are not dragging those land with them, the urhobo own those land just as itsekiri own land in urhobo quarters too.

Speaking about the crown, itsekiri has many ancestral crowns, it is allowed in itsekiri for a king to make his own crown of he doesn't want to wear his father's crown. So the crown is not even an issue here.

Now look at this write up written by an urhobo man maybe u will get more understanding.

A long read
Cc: Billy Oghenebrume.
Cc. David Omare Mikie. Ace

LET PEACE REIGN IN RESPECT TO THE TITLE OLU OF WARRI.

The Itsekiri people do not have problem with Urhobo speaking people. Having issues of title to lands with Okumagba family and Agbassa people who are Urhobos does not amount to Itsekiri people having ethnic war with Urhobo speaking people. Itsekiris are peace loving people and will continue to be peace loving.

I particularly don't see any of my friend in Warri on ethnic lines because we share almost everything but Warri as a city and as a name has it own history from pre colonial, to inter colonial and post colonial era and by virtue of Supreme Court judgements to lands which ethnic sentiments can no longer change.

In post and inter colonial times, Warri served as the base for Portuguese, Dutch and British slave traders hence early western education by Itsekiri people. Warri was ruled by Itsekiri elites and the last GOVERNOR OF WARRI is the person of Chief Dore Numa. Warri was made PROVINCIAL headquarters (WARRI PROVINCE) by the British in the early 20th century.

Because WARRI PROVINCE then covered the whole of present day delta state, the OLU OF WARRI TITLE gave birth to protest from various ethnic groups within the province in 1950 through 1951 that the Olu of Warri title should be changed to Olu of Itsekiri which was temporally granted by the government for peace to reign.

But Warri is a name of a place to a people, aside being the capital of the then Warri province. there is nowhere like no man's land, everywhere are attached to a people. The Itsekiri people responded by virtue of history that they don't own the entire Warri province but they own Warri as a place, as a town and as a people such should reflect in the title of their King.

After the coronation of Ginuwa II, Itsekiri people petitioned Lagos and London, making a case for their Olu's title. This matter became an issue of topical importance, and no less a person than Dr. Nnamdi Azikwe then contributed to the debate in the West African Pilot of 14 May 1940 as follows:
"His highness Ginuwa II is Olu of the Itsekiri speaking people who live in Warri Township. If the matter is to be discussed in detail, it will be found that a definite title is necessary, in which case the Olu of Warri seems to be most historically and correct. When we speak of the Oba of Lagos, we refer to the paramount Native Ruler of Lagos Township, although Lagos is populated mainly by Yoruba speaking peoples and Lagos is part of Yoruba land. So too, in the case of his Highness Ginuwa II, the Olu of Warri is the paramount Native Ruler of Itsekiri speaking people and Warri town is Itsekiri Land"

That was vintage Dr. Azikiwe, a patriot and nationalist also joined the debate on the OLU OF WARRI TITLE in those days. Then, when independence drew near, Awolowo, the government leader in the Western Region, well known for never tocing Dr. Azikiwe's political lines, had to take the matter of the Olu of Warri title to Parliament in 1952. After a healthy debate there, the Delta parliamentarians accepted that WARRI PROVINCE be changed to DELTA PROVINCE so that Warri, as a name, an a place should revert to those who had it.

On the prompting by London, the governor general in Lagos, following the parliamentary approval of the title "THE OLU OF WARRI" In Ibadan in May 1952, wrote a report to London dated 14 Oct 1952 justifying the change, saying it was based on "sound historical grounds especially as Warri Division (sic. Jekri-sobo Division) which consisted of two areas, the Itsekiri and the Sobo area" had been separated (C544/708/of Colonial records)

This change, acclaimed as a victory by all parties including (Urhobos) involved, removed the universal impression that all ethnic groups in the province would be regarded as subjects of the Olu of Warri because of the former name "Warri Province". The non-Itsekiri Parliamentarians were all satisfied with the change, Hon... Otutu, a Kwale parliamentarian on their behalf, proclaimed in the Daily Times of 31 January 1953: "we accept the change." On the Itsekiri side, rightful title of their Olu had reverted to the ancient throne.

Note: Historical facts.

In recent, those protesting against the title of the Olu of Warri are ignorant of what their forebears had accepted and adopted approximately 60 years ago in good faith.

I repeat the Olu of Warri title has grown in history and legacy above ethnic lines. Warri is for everyone to stay but the title the Olu of Warri cannot be change in history.

THE CREATION OF NEW AND RIVAL KINGDOMS IN NIGERIA IS NOT PART OF THE ITSEKIRI PEOPLE CHARACTER.

Now the reading public may be able to assess from these verifiable facts and the reasonableness and
peace-loving nature of the Itsekiri in Delta State

The "Okumagba family" merely won a possessory title (see radical title) to a 281.1-acre farmland near Okere part of Warri by a court judgment and has sought to have a rival kingdom in Warri called "Okere Urhobo kingdom". Now look, "the Mene-Okotie family" of "Itsekiri extraction" has by a judgment in suit no. S/66/69 of the same Supreme Court won a 775.10-acre family land within the Urhobo kingdom of Mosagar, to the relief and joy of the entire Mosagar Community, the Mene-Okotie family has shunned setting up a kingdom there.

Also Gbolokposo, another Itsekiri Community, by another Supreme Court judgment, No. Sc/98/1993, has won and radically owns 1993.77 acres of their land under the overlordship of the Olu of Warri within the Uvwie kingdom in Urhobo land. Today they are living happily together and the Gbolokposo Itsekiri are not thinking of setting up any kingdom in Uvwie land.

If we go by ownership of land whether possessory ( given to settlers and customary tenants who have settle for a long time) or radical title given to (Aboriginals) by the equation,

1993.77 ÷ 281, 775.10 ÷ 281.1, this will give the Itsekiri people 7 kingdoms in Uvwie (URHOBO LGA) and approximately 3 Itsekiri kingdoms in Mosagar(IN URHOBO LGA) .

Should Itsekiri start saying that there should not be an Ovie of Uvwie or there should not be Ovie of Mosagar?

Should Itsekiri people start proliferating kingdoms in those places they have radical titles to land?I guess many Urhobos will frown. As much as people can choose to do what they like, We cannot afford to be having kingdoms on every piece of land.

You can read this https://lawcarenigeria.com/chief-sam-warri-esi-vs-the-chief-secretary-to-the-federation-of-nigeria-ors/

ibuildstuff:
What ever u learnt was wrong.

The person that told u the story, did u ask how the name warri came about?

Lemme give u a brief history,
The itsekiri people call the land iwerre, and their king olu of iwerre.

Note that the itsekiris where the first tribe in Niger Delta to come in contact and made relationship with Europeans. This relationship gave itsekiri an advantage and influence over other tribes in the region.

It was the Europeans trying to pronounce iwerre that lead the word warri, because when Europeans pronounce iwerre we hear warri. That was how the word warri came to be.

For some reason the name because what a large portion of delta state was called. Infact the entire Delta state was called warri province before it was changed to Delta state.

Secondly there has always been one king in warri for the pass 540 years and that king is the olu of warri. It was only recently about less than 10 year before the ijaw of gbaramatu started having king, same as the urhobo in okere community and the urhobo is agbasa community.
Ijaw and urhobo never really had royalty like the itsekiri, they only started doing so recently. You don't expect the government to give the same respect to a 10 yrs old throne it give to a 500 yrs throne.
The government will always respect the 500yrs throne more.

Also the urhobo n ijaw don't have one king like the itsekiri, they have multiple king and some of this king are self imposed maybe if the individual has money that's another the govts won't take them serious.

The only urhobo king that is of the same level as the itsekiri king is that of okpe. Okpe is an entirely different location different from warri.

Another source of confusion here is that the name warri has been adopted by even places that are not warri but close to warri, like an urhobo person from ekpan will tell u he is from warri, but ekpan isn't actually in warri, same as jeddo and other area even people in far off udu will claim that they are in warri everybody wants to associate with the name warri.

Timil:
Good day Nairalanders I'm Jay (psuedonym) by name and I need your candid advice please bear with me if my writeup is long.

Several thoughts have been running through my mind all day and I've been trying to get an answer within but none is forthcoming. Flash back to some few months ago there's this girl I met in school, she's sweet, lovely and she's got everything I want in a woman, we started talking and we got to know each other.

During one of our conversations she told me about a particular guy of the Aiye confraternity who has been hitting on her but she claimed its nothing to be worried about so I waved it aside.

Few months later she gave in and gave me a yes, precisely six weeks ago but on the 7th of this month (Sunday). She told me a friend of hers decided to take her out only to discover that its a gathering organised by some gang members to celebrate their annual anniversary (7/7).

She said she met some other gang members who has been hitting on her there, according to her claim she said nothing transpired between her and the members of the secret society but during the convo I got to know that apart from the other guy in Aiye there are also two other cult guys from different gang who are also after her.

I didnt take it as much of a big issue I just told her to be careful of friends and people she moves with. Sunday went by and today (Wednesday) after lectures while hanging around the school premises she showed me two other gang members who had approached her and who still holds an interest in her making it 4/5 or more cult guys who are hitting on her.

From that moment I wasn't at ease but she didn't seem bothered or disturbed like I do infact she was still getting cosy and all loved up with the PDA despite the fact that I was trying not to draw attention at that very moment.

When I got back to my hostel while thinking of what to do I remembered that two-three weeks before we started dating I had a nightmare in which some gang members were after my life.

I thought of the nightmare and the current circumstance I am and I can see some sort of relation I've been thinking whether to continue the relationship or end it even though its still young, fresh and filled with love.

Don't be a coward, no one had approach u about it, be calm and keep those cosy stuff in house , continue Ur thing .
Please Nairalanders I need your advice on this, thanks for your help.

Simbrixton:
slave is a very strong and deeply hateful word my friend atiku won in oyo state and ondo, this is why I wish you south south people would see the hypocrisy of the igbos are you aware this is the first time yorubas voted a fulani person infact nnamdi azikiwe is the first southerner to ally with the north in 1959 if you investigate properly igbos betrayed first is atiku not fulani

bakar007:
Dey deceive itself
Itsekiri land?? kindly check desopadec they contribute only 29% same as ijaws in Delta state , ijaws terrain in Niger Delta Nigeria produces over 65% in term on oil revenue in Nigeria.
Lagos port would be useless without the Crude product coming through it and oppressive federal policies to marginalized Niger Delta by having crude vessel come through Lagos.note that
Ondo oil is within orogbo ijaws and illeje terrain and it's not much , even my village odidi oml 42 produces more than Lagos

Simbrixton:
dere is oil in ondo and lagos and itshekiri land most of the revenue from npa and import duties are from lagos sea port we contribute a lot to Nigeria than the landlocked igbos

YourNemesis:
A few only?

Infact most of them are multi ethnic. All the three Warri LGA’s for example are multi ethnic.
And I don’t know of any Ijaw village in Warri south... which ia mostly Itsekiri and Urhobo.

sogodihno:
is like u want to be mad? what bring Yoruba into this, u think Yorubas are ur mate abi? all this tribes that can't be found on the map sef! who u be for Nigeria.

Binikingdowm:
so because Igbo people are present in alaba and computer market in Lagos state so that automatically makes it their land? Their are various Hausa and Igbo or Yoruba settlement in different states across Nigeria, you don't see them dragging the land with their host

YourNemesis:
Most of these LGAs are multiethnic o, while others have quite a dusputable Ijaw identity.
Ikpoba Okha for example is overwhelmingly Benin.

saddler:
The way these ijaw Keyboard warriors are making mouth will only result in one thing.

Many of their innocent tribesmen will pay with their lives along with the troublesome ones. This won't be a street fight.

The government will give the directives. War in the 21st century is won with wisdom.

By the time Obaseki send armed-to-the teeth security men to gele gele, any ijaw miscreants that wants to ferment trouble will die like foul.

You can't call it genocide because government is involved and the law won't be breached.

saddler:
The way these ijaw Keyboard warriors are making mouth will only result in one thing.

Many of their innocent tribesmen will pay with their lives along with the troublesome ones. This won't be a street fight.

The government will give the directives. War in the 21st century is won with wisdom.

By the time Obaseki send armed-to-the teeth security men to gele gele, any ijaw miscreants that wants to ferment trouble will die like foul.
The same way u ll die like foul abi
You can't call it genocide because government is involved and the law won't be breached.

YourNemesis:
Abeg list the 28 LGAs

I’m just curious.

YourNemesis:
Abeg list the 28 LGAs

I’m just curious.

Datazone:
Another lie you all lazy folks have been peddling. I put it to you that the Urhobos are more than the Ijaws. Most Nigerians have seen more Urhobos than Ijaws. Forget the crap you guys are scattered around 5 states or so. Ibibios are more than the Ijaws. Until Jonathan, most Nigerians don't even know a tribe called Ijaw exist unlike Urhobos

bakar007:
U re fool the urhobos re in just 8LGA in one state , comparing them to people in 28LGA, existing in 6 state Delta ,bayelsa, Edo ,ondo, akwa ibom, port Harcourt. Guy u re stupid and u know nothing when the time comes u d understand.

Simbrixton:
i have an ijaw friend ebiye we were both discriminated in the same company by igbos I genuinely wonder why ijaws support igbos online if south south people joined hands with yorubas we would have broken igbo dominance long ago

Ikpeazukerosene:
Lol
You are afraid of the Binis and you are facing Yorubas.
Your papa no tell you wetin their eyes see for OPC hand.

See, this one no concern me. Go and face the Binis. Na 2 of una get matter. Bye

Simbrixton:
i disagree with you but dese fight with benin go tough sha I pray you guys take it outside nairaland from the look of things na benin go attack first so good luck to you guys let's know how many people would fall

bakar007:
Yorubas re the worse curse to Nigeria ,like I said killing innocence people living in Ur territory in isolated cases is an act of cowardness , hopefully u know that . No blood will be shared from what am seeing , Benin re just trying to see how ijaws ll respond.