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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Every New Thing A Bidiah In Islam? by Bamma: 1:49pm On Oct 08, 2011
"If the Qur'an had given the text of the Salawat, the Companions would not have asked the Prophet (PBUH) how to do it
The Prophet (PBUH) taught them. For those of you eulogising Solatul Fathi, I ask you to consider this"

Mr. beta things, from the above, it appears u did not inquire to know how salatul Ibrahimiyya came into being. A companion of the prophet ask the Prophet (SAW) how to do Salawat then the Prophet (SAW) recited salawat Ibrahimiyya to him. It is equally important to note that there were other salawats before Salawat Ibrahimyya. More importantly non among the Dariqa disciples ever disputed Salatul Ibrahimiyya. So whether u recite Salayul Ibrahimiyya, Salatul fatih or other salawats will still benefit from it. which ever salawat suites u its still serves a good purpose to Allah (SWT). Let us not argue on reward which only Allah knows best. The most important thing to do is to recite as many times as possible so that we can benefit and be among the obedient Muslims.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Every New Thing A Bidiah In Islam? by Bamma: 12:12am On Oct 08, 2011
“Verily there will be a people reciting the Qur’an, yet it will not pass beyond their throats."
Mr. Beta things the above hadith was Quoted out of context I believe to suite a purpose. The Hadith was meant to describe the signs of the end of the world and not people during the during either the prophet or the Sahabas. The prophet (SAW) said in the hadith that a group of young people that are within the muslim umma will come at the end of the world, when u see their Prayers u will think it is better than u'r own, when u hear their recitation of the holy Qur'an u will think it is better than u'r own but their recitation will not pass beyond their throats. These group of people are below 60years of age, they keep bears and their trousers are always a little below their nee. The group are interested in fighting any body but their fellow muslim brothers. These group goes out of Islam the way an arrow goes out of a bow.
Today we know who are fighting their fellow muslim brothers, beautiful line up during prayers beautiful Qur'anic recitation etc. Next time check u'r facts properly Mr. beta things.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Every New Thing A Bidiah In Islam? by Bamma: 10:35pm On Oct 07, 2011
''Not congregational Dhkir like your wazifa"

Beta Things from the above comments U seem completely confused. When u say wazifa u mean just four things:- 1) Reading some portion in the holy Qur'an 2) astanfirullah 3) Salatun Nabiy 4) Lailaha illallah. Is either u don't like these four things or it is the congregation that u don't like. I believe it is the congregation u don't like. let me give u what the Prophet (SAW) said on congregational dhkri:- "Abu Hurairah (RA) narrates that Rasulullah (صلي الله عليه وسلم) said that Allah Ta’ala says: I treat my servant according to his opinion of Me and I am with him when he remembers Me; if he remembers Me privately, I remember him privately and if he remembers Me in public, I remember him in a gathering (of the angels which is) better than his gathering."
- Narrated by Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmizi, Nasai, Ibn-Majah, Ahmad

Abu Darda (RA) narrates that Rasulullah (صلي الله عليه وسلم) said: On the Day of Qiyamah certain people will be raised by Allah Ta’ala in such a manner that their faces will be illuminated and they will be seated upon thrones of pearls, envied by the people; they will neither be Messengers or Martyrs. A bedouin exclaimed: Describe them to us so that we may recognise them. He replied: Those who love each other for Allah’s sake, coming from diverse tribes and different places, they gather for the remembrance of Allah.
- Narrated by Tabrani (as reported in Targheeb and Durr) When u talk Mr. Beta things, tell us what Allah (SWT) or the Prophet (SAW) says but we done need u"r opinion.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Every New Thing A Bidiah In Islam? by Bamma: 11:34am On Aug 08, 2011
LagosShia, u don't seem to follow the discussion from stage one. Am not saying the issues raised above are bid'as that are unacceptable. Try to understand the line of discussion please before making comments please. Salam

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Every New Thing A Bidiah In Islam? by Bamma: 8:55pm On Aug 07, 2011
Let me list some few bid'as in present day Islam:-

1) The Holy ka'aba is presently covered with 'black' cloth unlike during prophets (SAW) time.
2) The two Holy Mosque (ie Macca & Medina) are presently modernised different from the time of the Prophet (SAW).
3)The Holy Qur'an was not in form of a book during prophets time.
4) Not even a single Hadith was writen in form of a book During the Prophet
5) The Qur'anic competition (musabaqa).
6) The Prophet (SAW) has uses camels as his form transport while we use other form of transportation eg. cars, airplanes etc
etc etc etc etc etc.
classify the above bid'as fo us Sheikh Miftaudeen.

To crown it all anybody's Islam will not be completed without having one form of bid'a or the other associated with it.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Every New Thing A Bidiah In Islam? by Bamma: 10:20pm On Aug 06, 2011
A part from Salatul Ibrahiyya, What other salatis do we have From the Prophet (SAW) Mr, Miftaudeen, cos we have them in millions, are they all ending up in hell fire?

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Every New Thing A Bidiah In Islam? by Bamma: 10:13pm On Aug 06, 2011
what explanation can u give to Musabaqah of al-qur'an and Tahajjud which is the vogue of the day? Are they bid'as that are going to end up in Hell? Pls let us argue intelligently with proofs.
What You fell can not be everybody's opinion especially when it is empty.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Every New Thing A Bidiah In Islam? by Bamma: 1:22am On Aug 03, 2011
I forgot to mention another important thing that God Himself(SWT) is always within where zikri is taking place. Allah (SWT) said "ana jalisu man zakani".
Salam.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Every New Thing A Bidiah In Islam? by Bamma: 1:17am On Aug 03, 2011
However as regard to spreading of white cloth in the middle of halqa of wazifa, insiders has given explanations as to why it is done, but those that doesn't belong to Dariqah are giving another different version. Don't u think this is an evidence that u did not participate in the argument to be convinced, rather u are just there to criticise? I am an insider and the explanation given by my brothers above is correct. What people should be asking is what is the position of the white cloth in wazifa? On that I will say it is of no consequence ie whether u put the cloth or not u can still get u'r reward for zikri.
Another important thing one should asking is, what are we doing during wazifa, not white cloth that is not a farillah in wazifa. There are only four things that are involved, Reading some part of the Holy Qur'an, Istingfar Salatul Nabi and Hailala (ie. La ila ha illallah). For God sake tell me if the Prophet(SAW0 did not do any of those or He (SAW) did not instruct us to do.
On this I will still advice us to adopt "Min Husni Islamil Mar'i Tarkuhu Ma la ya'a nihi" Dariqah is never a must on every muslim so do what u know and leave the rest to God to judge.
Any body who wants to ask question on Dariqa should have an open mind pls, it is islam we are working for, so our personal emotions are not important.
Salam.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Is Every New Thing A Bidiah In Islam? by Bamma: 12:40am On Aug 03, 2011
I have gone thru the debate on Salatul fatihi and the spreading of white sheet during wazifa. As far as Iam concerned there is serious misconception especially on the part of those that are not in the Dariqa circle. from the forgoing discussion it appears those against Dariqa have made up there minds to disagree with any explanation from the on set.
On whether salatul-Fatihi is more important than salatul Ibrahimiya etc in terms of reward is not the issue. The issue is there are millions of other salatul-Nabi and as Muslims we are expected to recite any on our Prophet (SAW) regardless of the reward. For u'r information The Dariqa people do recite salatul ibrahimiyya and have never discourage anybody from reciting it. If u a from the Izala sect go thru the Tafsir of ibn khathir in the section of salatul-Nabi u will be surprise to see salatul fatihi in it but no Salatul Ibrahimiyya. That does not make it unimportant any way. A muslim is at liberty to recite any salatul-Nabi he believes in and God will reward him.
A Good Muslim is suppose to follow the teaching of the Prophet (SAW) where he says " Min Husni Islamil mar'i tarkuhu ma la ya'a ni" The best thing for a muslim is to stay away from anything that doesn't concern him. If the Dariqa people believes in getting plenty reward for reciting Salatul-fatihi so be it, who said u should criticise them? Salam.

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