₦airaland Forum

parisbookaddict:
Hey no problem. I have no problem with you or other muslims but I do detest Islam and the stories I have read in the quran and hadiths.



Most muslims tell me mohammed was illiterate. I don't believe it because
1. He was married to a very rich business woman who could afford to educate him
2. He had learned and educated friends
3.He knew Jewish law
4. He was a very intelligent man.

Most muslims claim he was illiterate so as to prove that he did not copy from other sources to recite the quran. There is more evidence to suggest mohammed was literate than there is to suggest he was illiterate.



I have seen some other works he copied from eg

1. the infancy gospel of Thomas (this is where mohammed got the childhood stories of isa)

2. The protovangelion of Mary (it forms majority of the chapter mariam in the quran.

3.the gnostic apocalypse of Peter (this is where mohammed got the story of isa not being crucified )

4. The life of Adam and eve which contains the creation story in the quran.

Al these were apocryphal bOoks mohammed copied, they still exisit today because they were popular in Arabia during mohammeds time, . So its either mohammed included this in the quran or early muslims did.





No you are wrong, the sun does not rotate, I don't understand the point u are trying to make. The sun is static but the earth rotates. Humans have known this for thousands of years.



He did copy Jewish philosophers and several apocryphal books . If plato, socrates, aristole or even conficus were popular in the middle east mohammed would have copied them.




He copied from the talmud. This verse quran 5:32 is one of them.
He also copied from the torah, but I don't know if he copied from the Jewish tanak.


The talmud is not considered the word of God. It was an ongoing commentary by Jewish rabbis, it even contains some bad teachings. The Jewish gave and still gives the torah maximum respect So I don't understand the point you are trying to make.


Look dude, I have exposed mohammed to you. He did some nice things like banning killing females, cheating bereaved women , but I say what he did that was bad and from my studies, he was definitely a fraud.

Its painful to hear but its left for you to research and see the truth for yourself.

Have u ever slept with a child? Robbed a caravan, Raped a married woman who you killed her people, slept with your son's ex wife, beheaded people, bought or sold a slave, killed someone who insulted you. If you have never done this then you are a better person than mohammed.

I accepted ur excuse on your illiteracy that the sun does not rotate, pls Google does the sun rotates?
Regarding his illetracy
1. Read the hudabiyya treaty: when the jews ask the Prophet to erase messenger of God from his name in the treaty, His deciples umar said he can never use his own hand to erase that, the prophet had to b shown the spelling before he could erase it
2. Khadija married him because of his sincerity not knowlegde
3.ther is difference between learned and intelligence mind you he never went to school and after the marriage relevations started coming, so no need to go school, pls research more on this, and even the author of most influential men agreed he is an illiterate despite bin a christian
3.he did not copy he agreed and used it to call there attention just the way u are using the Quran. It doesn't matter if the talmud was written by man or God but that very verse has wide range of acceptance and the message is positive
And again let me remind you didn't answer the question asked if the verse has a positive message or negative and you did not tender your reference where you said the devil whispered into the Prophet ear and still you choose not to understand a simple logic you also use
And regarding all those allegation all are misconception and if you bring it forward one after the other I will clear all ur doubts and pls don't ask me another question until u answer mine. Thank you

Blackfire:
possibly your reply was meant for parisbookaddict.

So to be cleared from your statements.
1.the quran(recite) was not dropped from heaven or handicrafted like that of Moses.
2.Mohamed was somehow mentored by existing religious books.. Vegas(Hindu) Talmud, Torah,chritain gospels, rejected writers etc.
3. That mohamed dosent know how to read or write is a big fat lie... How was he able to be khadijat sales man, who even travelled out of local mecca to sophisticated developed foreign land, like Syria, without any form of education or exposure to teachings of Hindus,jews,christians ? That he has no handler is also a lie....
Let me stop here.
And please all this scientific buhaha in the quran is ruse.. Example chewing stick.

Muhammad embark on that journeys as an apprentice that was his very first and last as he was warned by a follower of the book that if the people here should realize that he is the prophet by seeing the sign on his shoulder,he will be murdered . So u re now arguing the sun is static. And what do u mean by chewing sticck whatever.

Eronmosele:
I speak with Bashsani because unlike most others of his lot, he seems to answer with some decorum. Otherwise I don't usually waste my time for these kind of things. There is an old and new testament. That's what I know. Complement? Your book contradicts the new testament in many ways you should know. Jesus was very clear about whom He would be sending after Him. It's definitely not your prophet because he failed the basic test, he is dead and buried. The Spirit of God whom Jesus promised to send after Him has been with us since the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts. Your final testament does not exist. The new testament is complete as it is. When Jesus died on the cross according to the will of Almighty God He said "it is finished!" as He breathed His last. Of course all these are edited out of your book and you are told again that the Bible we have today is not original. You forget that we still have the original ancient texts and manuscripts with us delicately preserved. And about popularity of the books, I will leave you to statistics and Google. The Koran does not even come close to the Bible in terms of popularity, best selling and distribution statistics. This is not disputable please check your statistics very well as this is a well known fact. When you say things like this it negatively affects the credibility of the other statements you have made.

Apologies accepted.
Friends? . Thank you
Straight to your question
Their was a lot critics on the works of the Prophet regarding copyrights. Let me first remind you, the Prophet was neva learned,he was an illiterate, He didn't know how to read nor write. Even though some of His teachings, philosophies, ideologies etc were termed copied especially in occasions when they are in agreement with existing philosophies, ideologies and so on, however most of his works disagree example during his time,it was considered that the sun was static, this includes all philosophers and scientists of his time and those before Him, only recently after hundreds of years after his death to be proved that indeed the sun rotates. If Muhammad(SWA) indeed was a copy cat why didn't he copy the works of the great Philosophers.
For the sake of argument let's agree that he copied from the talmud. The question here is what's the position of talmud during his time?
During the era of the Prophet, the talmud was considered to be a highly respected book as it contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of pre-Christian era, which includes Law, jewish ethics, philosophies, customs,history and many other topics. It is the basis for all codes of jewish law,so mostly the Israelis are in harmony with the teachings and doctrines of the talmud. Note that during His era the isrealites were highly educated because most of the prophets were Jews the Quran also believe this by even referring to them as Ahlul kitab meaning the people of book. So the logic of using the talmud is similar to the logic you use in using the Quran to convince muslims. So the point is not to copy but to in-alienate them i.e to create a nexus between the 2 doctrines. This also enlighten us that the verse 5:32 was referring to the isrealites hence the mention.
Again let assume the verse was copied with no copyright (I wonder if u have the copyright to the English you speak not to talk of the owner of all languages and ideas) I arrest my pen with these questions
W
1.is the verse passing a positive message or negative
2. You proposed that the devils whispered into the ear of the prophet what proof do u hav.
By the way God did not claim any verse He is only in harmony with common ideology of the people as at that time. Thank you

Blackfire:
the story of the people who slept in the cave, was is it mohamed that first told the story or it was copied? .

When i was small i was told Allah drop the quran from heaven for mohamed.... Then as a teenager i openly discovered it wasnt so, even goat eat some where it was written, that abubakr compiled what is known as quran today... Even the ummah accused him of some shaddy moves.
Then i said waoh, that means more lies are there... Then i find shariah, kitman, and the devil himself al taqiya, the law of abrogation which simply means medina order, cancel the a bit good meccan sayings... Even the no compulsion gig. . I was shocked this guy/ handlers are unstable. Then i see the blood, unwarranted killings, assassinations, betrayals,.. All this eventually split Islam into two... Could u imagine the level of hatred that will make a man killed no butchered the grand children of mohamed ibn abdulallah? .
Abeg no insult, i ve a very bad razor blade mouth.
Let me stop here.

Apologies accepted.
Friends? . Thank you
Straight to your question
Their was a lot critics on the works of the Prophet regarding copyrights. Let me first remind you, the Prophet was neva learned,he was an illiterate, He didn't know how to read nor write. Even though some of His teachings, philosophies, ideologies etc were termed copied especially in occasions when they are in agreement with existing philosophies, ideologies and so on, however most of his works disagree example during his time,it was considered that the sun was static, this includes all philosophers and scientists of his time and those before Him, only recently after hundreds of years after his death to be proved that indeed the sun rotates. If Muhammad(SWA) indeed was a copy cat why didn't he copy the works of the great Philosophers.
For the sake of argument let's agree that he copied from the talmud. The question here is what's the position of talmud during his time?
During the era of the Prophet, the talmud was considered to be a highly respected book as it contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of pre-Christian era, which includes Law, jewish ethics, philosophies, customs,history and many other topics. It is the basis for all codes of jewish law,so mostly the Israelis are in harmony with the teachings and doctrines of the talmud. Note that during His era the isrealites were highly educated because most of the prophets were Jews the Quran also believe this by even referring to them as Ahlul kitab meaning the people of book. So the logic of using the talmud is similar to the logic you use in using the Quran to convince muslims. So the point is not to copy but to in-alienate them i.e to create a nexus between the 2 doctrines. This also enlighten us that the verse 5:32 was referring to the isrealites hence the mention.
Again let assume the verse was copied with no copyright (I wonder if u have the copyright to the English you speak not to talk of the owner of all languages and ideas) I arrest my pen with these questions
W
1.is the verse passing a positive message or negative
2. You proposed that the devils whispered into the ear of the prophet what proof do u hav.
By the way God did not claim any verse He is only in harmony with common ideology of the people as at that time. Thank you
A short answer to ur question
This very curiosity is another affirmation that indeed Muhammad is a messager of God for knowing all this despite bin an illiterate. Pls a Question as a time I'm answering a lot of people all at a time. Thank u

Blackfire:
the story of the people who slept in the cave, was is it mohamed that first told the story or it was copied? .

When i was small i was told Allah drop the quran from heaven for mohamed.... Then as a teenager i openly discovered it wasnt so, even goat eat some where it was written, that abubakr compiled what is known as quran today... Even the ummah accused him of some shaddy moves.
Then i said waoh, that means more lies are there... Then i find shariah, kitman, and the devil himself al taqiya, the law of abrogation which simply means medina order, cancel the a bit good meccan sayings... Even the no compulsion gig. . I was shocked this guy/ handlers are unstable. Then i see the blood, unwarranted killings, assassinations, betrayals,.. All this eventually split Islam into two... Could u imagine the level of hatred that will make a man killed no butchered the grand children of mohamed ibn abdulallah? .
Abeg no insult, i ve a very bad razor blade mouth.
Let me stop here.

Apologies accepted.
Friends? . Thank you
Straight to your question
Their was a lot critics on the works of the Prophet regarding copyrights. Let me first remind you, the Prophet was neva learned,he was an illiterate, He didn't know how to read nor write. Even though some of His teachings, philosophies, ideologies etc were termed copied especially in occasions when they are in agreement with existing philosophies, ideologies and so on, however most of his works disagree example during his time,it was considered that the sun was static, this includes all philosophers and scientists of his time and those before Him, only recently after hundreds of years after his death to be proved that indeed the sun rotates. If Muhammad(SWA) indeed was a copy cat why didn't he copy the works of the great Philosophers.
For the sake of argument let's agree that he copied from the talmud. The question here is what's the position of talmud during his time?
During the era of the Prophet, the talmud was considered to be a highly respected book as it contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of pre-Christian era, which includes Law, jewish ethics, philosophies, customs,history and many other topics. It is the basis for all codes of jewish law,so mostly the Israelis are in harmony with the teachings and doctrines of the talmud. Note that during His era the isrealites were highly educated because most of the prophets were Jews the Quran also believe this by even referring to them as Ahlul kitab meaning the people of book. So the logic of using the talmud is similar to the logic you use in using the Quran to convince muslims. So the point is not to copy but to in-alienate them i.e to create a nexus between the 2 doctrines. This also enlighten us that the verse 5:32 was referring to the isrealites hence the mention.
Again let assume the verse was copied with no copyright (I wonder if u have the copyright to the English you speak not to talk of the owner of all languages and ideas) I arrest my pen with these questions
W
1.is the verse passing a positive message or negative
2. You proposed that the devils whispered into the ear of the prophet what proof do u hav.
By the way God did not claim any verse He is only in harmony with common ideology of the people as at that time. Thank you
And a short answer to ur question we bliv in all previous books and know the same God of the cave men is the same God of Jesus and Muhammad. This is another reason that confirms the authenticity of Muham

kindredspirit:
The guy said he wanted a debate devoid of insults. I'm sure you can respond to his questions without abusing him.

Apologies accepted.
Friends? . Thank you
Straight to your question
Their was a lot critics on the works of the Prophet regarding copyrights. Let me first remind you, the Prophet was neva learned,he was an illiterate, He didn't know how to read nor write. Even though some of His teachings, philosophies, ideologies etc were termed copied especially in occasions when they are in agreement with existing philosophies, ideologies and so on, however most of his works disagree example during his time,it was considered that the sun was static, this includes all philosophers and scientists of his time and those before Him, only recently after hundreds of years after his death to be proved that indeed the sun rotates. If Muhammad(SWA) indeed was a copy cat why didn't he copy the works of the great Philosophers.
For the sake of argument let's agree that he copied from the talmud. The question here is what's the position of talmud during his time?
During the era of the Prophet, the talmud was considered to be a highly respected book as it contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of pre-Christian era, which includes Law, jewish ethics, philosophies, customs,history and many other topics. It is the basis for all codes of jewish law,so mostly the Israelis are in harmony with the teachings and doctrines of the talmud. Note that during His era the isrealites were highly educated because most of the prophets were Jews the Quran also believe this by even referring to them as Ahlul kitab meaning the people of book. So the logic of using the talmud is similar to the logic you use in using the Quran to convince muslims. So the point is not to copy but to in-alienate them i.e to create a nexus between the 2 doctrines. This also enlighten us that the verse 5:32 was referring to the isrealites hence the mention.
Again let assume the verse was copied with no copyright (I wonder if u have the copyright to the English you speak not to talk of the owner of all languages and ideas) I arrest my pen with these questions
W
1.is the verse passing a positive message or negative
2. You proposed that the devils whispered into the ear of the prophet what proof do u hav.
By the way God did not claim any verse He is only in harmony with common ideology of the people as at that time. Thank you

parisbookaddict:
You called me ignorant after I quoted hadiths and quran passages exposing mohammed as a bigoted jihadist.. U didn't make any counter agruments or refute the claims.
I don't know what gave u the idea to say .
You are yet to explain those verses.
When u still haven't addressed the topic I raised in both this and the other thread.

Okay don't bother replying the other thread, let's address this one. . Why did allah claim the quotations of Jewish rabbis in the talmud as his while both Jews and Christians know that the talmud is the works of men and the torah is the inspired words of God.

Let's start with this.

Apologies accepted.
Friends? . Thank you
Straight to your question
Their was a lot critics on the works of the Prophet regarding copyrights. Let me first remind you, the Prophet was neva learned,he was an illiterate, He didn't know how to read nor write. Even though some of His teachings, philosophies, ideologies etc were termed copied especially in occasions when they are in agreement with existing philosophies, ideologies and so on, however most of his works disagree example during his time,it was considered that the sun was static, this includes all philosophers and scientists of his time and those before Him, only recently after hundreds of years after his death to be proved that indeed the sun rotates. If Muhammad(SWA) indeed was a copy cat why didn't he copy the works of the great Philosophers.
For the sake of argument let's agree that he copied from the talmud. The question here is what's the position of talmud during his time?
During the era of the Prophet, the talmud was considered to be a highly respected book as it contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of pre-Christian era, which includes Law, jewish ethics, philosophies, customs,history and many other topics. It is the basis for all codes of jewish law,so mostly the Israelis are in harmony with the teachings and doctrines of the talmud. Note that during His era the isrealites were highly educated because most of the prophets were Jews the Quran also believe this by even referring to them as Ahlul kitab meaning the people of book. So the logic of using the talmud is similar to the logic you use in using the Quran to convince muslims. So the point is not to copy but to in-alienate them i.e to create a nexus between the 2 doctrines. This also enlighten us that the verse 5:32 was referring to the isrealites hence the mention.
Again let assume the verse was copied with no copyright (I wonder if u have the copyright to the English you speak not to talk of the owner of all languages and ideas) I arrest my pen with these questions
W
1.is the verse passing a positive message or negative
2. You proposed that the devils whispered into the ear of the prophet what proof do u hav.
By the way God did not claim any verse He is only in harmony with common ideology of the people as at that time. Thank you

kindredspirit:
The guy said he wanted a debate devoid of insults. I'm sure you can respond to his questions without abusing him.

you can never defeat the truth it took less than a day to render all her assertions useless. So she was trying to hold on to anything to avoid drowning.

parisbookaddict:
I didn't abuse him, I only stated facts. We have been chatting since Saturday. His English is really really bad. He has also been rude, he has called me ignorant and lied to my face.

But I see how my choice of words is demeaning, I momentarily lost my temper. I detest bad grammar.

I did not use any abusive word on u, It's very clear to everyone that uy re defeated. And that's what is really hurting not my words. Stay blessed sister

parisbookaddict:
Mr muslim speak proper English. When u spend years in kano speaking hausa in the al majiri school you forget nigeria's official language is English.

I'm very disappointed, what brought abt almajiri and so on I thought we were onnly trying to enlighten each other, pls our characters shud reflect in our arguments. I'm still challenging u, bring it on. And pls remember on the message pls

SmartChoices:
Op this is suicidal..... These guys aren't that tolerant

for ur mind I've already answered that come up with something else it just me,is like u were invited let do this maturely no insult . Open a thread this is already I want a fresh debate whre all can witness

true2god:
The Jews are very tolerant, they should have sued allahh and mohammed for copyright violation. A whole lot of the quran was copied from the Judeo-christian scriptures.
Shame on mohammed and allahh, they lack originality.

I will make my reply very short
1. U said that very verse was copied,i don't want to defend weather it was copied or not but the stance of islam on terrorism
2 pls provide a verse in the Quran or hadith which states devils whispered to the prophet peace b upon him
3whats ur stand on this very Quranic verse 60:7-9 was it also copied.
An advice let's take this with maturity no insult let just build our points

parisbookaddict:
which one of two relied??
i dont remember ever discussing with u on nairaland before.

i posted that verse to show you how violent it is and how the message ..If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew
the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” was a message for the jews.. its actually in the jewish Talmud which mohammed copied..

i assume you are over 20 years of age, start to reason and see how evil islamic teachings is..

by the way i did NOT adopt islamic way of greeting
its actually an Arabic word which means peace and not islamic, arabic language existed far before islam came..i greet my igbo friends kedu nwanee, yoruba bawo ni oremi and hausa yaya dey mutiminna..

i greet people with words they identify with..so calm down on your adpotion theory..

if you want a debate create a thread and mention me..

violent message show me one and I will teach u the meaning without the need of any spirit assistance

Eronmosele:
Do I sound like a joke to you? Do you know who the Holy Spirit is? You speak of what you know nothing of and yet with such arrogance. I have nothing more to say to you. I have indeed said all I should. If someone said he found controversies in the Bible, get a bible and read it yourself see the context and applications and then you will see clearly. I have followed a lot of those so called controversies and it's a shame. The length people go to see what is not there. Read for yourself. You are free to comment on but on my final note I still want to emphasize, if all that Parisbookaddict wrote about your prophet as recorded in the Koran is true, then if you are a decent human being, you would agree with me that your prophet is not worthy of emulation. The world would be such a terrible place with more like him. God has blessed me with children. God forbid that any of my son's wives be sexually attractive to me! God forbid! God forbid that I would look upon a child with sexual intent! Oh! God forbid!! That kind of insanity uncommon even in the animal kingdom. God forbid! You should even be ashamed of yourself. If I must then I will follow that Prophet of whom is recorded no sin. I am proud of the kind of life Jesus lived.

this ur I forbid I forbid is that the way u make ur own defence I will still use kind words on u I knw u re running out of point no insult check through my post u will neva find insult I just want to expose those ur fake points I'm challenging I thought u re good in this it's a fact known to evry one that the bible needs the help of the spirit to b interpreted the Quran needs no holy spirit just common sense. I want to this while safeguarding our interest and that of our religion. Bring it on

clefstone:
well, it's difficult to know how one would react in such an hypothetical situation if one has not been in it in the first place. However, I know of situations where men have caught their wives in the act and didn't kill anyone. Some even forgive their wife and continue with the marraige. Difficult but time heals all wounds. Forgiveness is a Godly virtue and since we sin against God and ask for mercy, it is only right we forgive those who sin against us

this is only but ur choice if there is no law guiding those kind of fornication a lot of thing will go out of hand let me remind u islam also those not permits u to take law in ur hands so in such situation u report to the authority with four witnesses each must see them while in the act then the punishment takes it cause. Let educate u this is only applicable in islamic owned state if a muslim took that measure in a non islamic state he is on his own and let the law of the state also take its cause. The prophet once jugde the Jews according to their book. So islam respects other religious beliefs

parisbookaddict:
salam

you mean this verse
From Qu'ran 5:32, “...If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew
the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved
the life of the whole people.”

i have read that passage many times before
let me quote the Fuller context which says;


Qu'ran 5:32-34, "On that account: Therefore we prescribed for the
Children of Israel that who so slays a soul not to retaliate for a soul
slain, nor for corruption done in the land, shall be as if he had slain
mankind altogether; and who so gives life to a soul, shall be as if he has
given life to mankind altogether. Our Messengers have already come to
them with the clear signs; then many of them thereafter commit
excesses in the earth.
This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His
Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they
shall be SLAUGHTERED, or CRUCIFIED, or their hands and feet shall
alternately be STRUCK OFF; or they shall be banished from the land.
That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come
awaits them a mighty chastisement,
except for such as repent, before you have power over them. So know
you that God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate."



*** Notice how you can slay a person if the person spreads corruption in
the land or as some translations call it, "mischief". This "corruption in
the land" or "mischief" can mean anything such as Preaching the
Gospel of Christ, making Muslims uncomfortable by questioning the
Qu'ran or Muhammed, drawing Mohammed, supporting western education
etc This has therefore been an excused used by Jihadists like
BokoHaram, ISIS, Hamas, hezbollah, Al shabba, Alqueda etc to murder,
kill and destroy.

notice also
1 - It explicitly states that this was a commandment to the Children of
Israel, i.e. the Jews! This is not a commandment to all people, and it
certainly should not be misused as if this is Allah's command to
Muhammad's people.
2 - Even if this were a command to the Muslims, there's still an escape
clause: "unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land." If
someone is "spreading mischief", he can still be killed. Now let's think
for a moment. The would-be Times Square bomber considers Americans
to be spreading mischief in Palestine and around the world (practically
all Muslims I know think this, even the ones who are American citizens).
Accordingly, even if this verse were to apply to someone like Faisal
Shahzad, he would still be justified in his slaughter.

yea this one of the two I replied and ur own definition of mischief is appalling, islam is a complete religion with policies guiding it's practicality there each mischief has its own punishment and to tell you this is only applicable in islamic owned states and it's inhabitants. Ans don't quote any action of a muslim we debate strictly on the teachings of the two religion cos I'm not ready to start criticizing Christianity with the action of some fake pastors and again there is an on going topic on fp abt the authenticity of the bible I searched for but u re no whr to b found. I will like to see ur defence and again this thread is already dead I will like to challenge u on a fresh one will look forward to that.these are my conditions. BTW I don't why u re adopting the islamic way of greeting stay blessed

Eronmosele:
I speak with Bashsani because unlike most others of his lot, he seems to answer with some decorum. Otherwise I don't usually waste my time for these kind of things. There is an old and new testament. That's what I know. Complement? Your book contradicts the new testament in many ways you should know. Jesus was very clear about whom He would be sending after Him. It's definitely not your prophet because he failed the basic test, he is dead and buried. The Spirit of God whom Jesus promised to send after Him has been with us since the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts. Your final testament does not exist. The new testament is complete as it is. When Jesus died on the cross according to the will of Almighty God He said "it is finished!" as He breathed His last. Of course all these are edited out of your book and you are told again that the Bible we have today is not original. You forget that we still have the original ancient texts and manuscripts with us delicately preserved. And about popularity of the books, I will leave you to statistics and Google. The Koran does not even come close to the Bible in terms of popularity, best selling and distribution statistics. This is not disputable please check your statistics very well as this is a well known fact. ^{When you say things like this it negatively affects the credibility of the other statements you have made.}

regarding the basic tests I ve enough evidence in the bible to convince u but this thread is already dead I dear u invite me to an on going thread whr a lot will witness how I will finish u

Eronmosele:
I speak with Bashsani because unlike most others of his lot, he seems to answer with some decorum. Otherwise I don't usually waste my time for these kind of things. There is an old and new testament. That's what I know. Complement? Your book contradicts the new testament in many ways you should know. Jesus was very clear about whom He would be sending after Him. It's definitely not your prophet because he failed the basic test, he is dead and buried. The Spirit of God whom Jesus promised to send after Him has been with us since the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts. Your final testament does not exist. The new testament is complete as it is. When Jesus died on the cross according to the will of Almighty God He said "it is finished!" as He breathed His last. Of course all these are edited out of your book and you are told again that the Bible we have today is not original. You forget that we still have the original ancient texts and manuscripts with us delicately preserved. And about popularity of the books, I will leave you to statistics and Google. The Koran does not even come close to the Bible in terms of popularity, best selling and distribution statistics. This is not disputable please check your statistics very well as this is a well known fact. When you say things like this it negatively affects the credibility of the other statements you have made.

my statistics is in regard to all other books as u mention inur previous post,and abt the originality of the bible we all knw the bible had different authors and it's very evident that the bible contradicts itself I still direct u to the topic on the fp there is more than enuf to defend

Eronmosele:
It is unnecessary to learn Hebrew or Greek to be able to understand what God has spoken through the mouth of His prophets. God created all languages. None is special above the other. Know also that a translation is not necessarily a distortion but an attempt to present information in such a way that the language communication barrier is overcome. It is never the intention in translation to distort or deceive. As civilizations come and go, even language itself tends to evolve, it becomes difficult to truly understand certain texts with contextual meanings and proverbs. So when you say concoction, we'll again that's what you have been told. You have no proof. God speaks all languages. He speaks mine fluently! I don't need to speak a particular language for Him to understand.

you are joking there is already an on going debate on the authenticity of the bible a lot of u are out of idea resorting to u only understand thru the holy spirit when the holy spirit cud not inspire a single report of the bible. I don't argue on this lane pls join the debate it's on the fp

Eronmosele:
I totally understand what you mean. My point is still valid. That's what you are told by the Koran isn't it? And it's your choice to believe the authenticity of the Koran above books like the Bible that came before it. You have no evidence except that you have chosen by faith to belive the book just like I have absolutely faith in my Bible as God's holy word.
We were not there when these books were written many years ago. Thank you for your useful contribution.

thanks for the understanding I was only trying to clear some fallacies.i am of the bliv we liv peacefully together especially if we promote it. If u observed u will realized that I commented late despite joining early but some people are hell bent on painting the religion black with lies on a thread that promotes harmony. I don't hav problem with people calling to their but I disgust resorting to bitter mediums. Stay blessed brother

Which kinnd rubbish post b this nothing to identify the girl nor the culprit and people are already spewing trash.make me sef post one

I quote the devil ordes him to prostrate b4 him and worship him, even tempting him with worldly possessions. How can the devil even dare such an audacity with God?when the devil wanted jesus to comply with his orders he(Jesus) replieby saying that it was written in the previous books refering to Matthew 4:10

[quote author=parisbookaddict post=42271074][/quote]that taqiyya nonsense u talking abt pls bring forward ur evidence in quran or hadith

parisbookaddict:
Salam,
I thought you said you know a verse in quran where mohammed condemned killing, why are you then insulting me because i quoted were he was giving commands to kill pagans.

So I am a psycho for quoting the crAp in the quran. I am sure you don't know one tenth of the quran.

If your can't quote your al taqiyya verse to defend mohammed then why are you still a muslim?

I probably know more about the quran and mohammed more than you.

Do you know he claimed he was a terrorist.

Quran 8.8:12-15 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers:I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

I Quote Quran 60:7-9
Perhaps Allah will make friendship between you and those whom u hold as enemies. And Allah has power(over all things) and Allah loves those who deal with equity
8. Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove u out if ur homes.verily Allah loves those who deal with equity
9. it is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion and have driven you out of ur homes and helped to drive u out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. Islam encourages us muslims to b good with people who are not treat to out livelihood. So take ur bigotry somewhere else

parisbookaddict:
Salam,
I thought you said you know a verse in quran where mohammed condemned killing, why are you then insulting me because i quoted were he was giving commands to kill pagans.

So I am a psycho for quoting the crAp in the quran. I am sure you don't know one tenth of the quran.

If your can't quote your al taqiyya verse to defend mohammed then why are you still a muslim?

I probably know more about the quran and mohammed more than you.

Do you know he claimed he was a terrorist.

Quran 8.8:12-15 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers:I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

the verse u quoted is anfal meaning The Spoils of war it was revealed to the prophet while they were at war so God promised to support his prophet which he did by casting terror(fear) in the heart of unbelievers i.e (there is no way u can confront and win an enemy at war with a weak heart)and what followed after is what every soldier does in war that is kill ur opponent u can neva expect the commandment to be allow them kill u.this is war u we re talking abt the opponent is armed and also ready to kill are those the people u call innocent soul(war counterparts) pls again do ur research b4 displaying ur ignorance

parisbookaddict:
Salam,
I thought you said you know a verse in quran where mohammed condemned killing, why are you then insulting me because i quoted were he was giving commands to kill pagans.

So I am a psycho for quoting the crAp in the quran. I am sure you don't know one tenth of the quran.

If your can't quote your al taqiyya verse to defend mohammed then why are you still a muslim?

I probably know more about the quran and mohammed more than you.

Do you know he claimed he was a terrorist.

Quran 8.8:12-15 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers:I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

u knw nothing abt the Quran, all u do is misquote thw Quran here is verse in the Quran that condem killing of innocent soul quran 5:32 and pls check ur verses b4 u st3t spwewing trash. Nobody quoted u because nobody really hav ur time but u knw nothing abt Islam

[quote author=parisbookaddict post=42271074][/quote]is that all u hav to say,seems like u out of point

farouk0403:
Did I quote you?

sorry it was a misquote I'm not against u brother

parisbookaddict:
Good point.
Notice none, NOT even ONE muslim has said I lied.

Because I did not.

Rather they say I do not understand why he did those things.

Can u imagine. ?

pls quote ur arguments one after the other and Insha Allah I will answer all

Owliver:
@bash for example, if a new prophet comes to refute the marriage of your prophet and Aisha and claims God told him so, even when you have records in your holy book. you wouldn't call them dumb?



think with you brains man. think like a free man not a robot

prophet Muhammad did not refute any deed by jesus he only complemented and perfected them. Pls qoute ur reference Mr robot

[quote author=farouk0403 post=42266734][/quote]I Quote sura 9:5 As ur Lord caused u (O Muhammad) to go out from ur home with the truth and verily a party among the disbelievers dislike it. Y re u spreading lies and u don't hav to call me psycho if u really follow the teachings of Jesus especially while spreading the message. May b u re out of words stay blessed

Eronmosele:
That's what you are told.

not told learned it's in the Quran there was zabura given to David attaura given to Moses Injila that's the bible given to Jesus and Quran given to Muhammad peace be upon Him. As a muslim I must believe in all the prophets including jesus and i must believe in all books including bible