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tomzman:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode]Hello everyone 

First of all would like to commend plappville and davidylan for your enlightening posts.May God Almighty continue to increase you in all areas of your lives.

@lagoshia, bashy and vedaxcool.You guys keep on amusing me with your posts.

Finally, I would like to recommend these two life changing books by G.J.O Moshay to EVERYONE(BOTH CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS) on this thread.The books are:
1) Anatomy of the Quran.
2) My Reply:A conversation with an Islamist  Scholar.

  God bless you all.


Do not be deceived without Christ, you DIE (eternal destruction).Accept him today and be saved.

Sorry I dont need your Jesus chrsit, I have God the creator of everything including your Jesus.

^^ I can't stop laughing oooo

^^^ Well said brother, May Almighty Allah increase your knowledge

^^^ Well said brother, May Almighty Allah increase your knowledge

^^^ i sori for you,

plappville:
Very dirty way of talking, until u use a more decent language, i ve no responds for this question.

ahahha typical way of running from a Question

how is things going oo. been out for the weekend

davidylan:
if allah had put all these in his quran we wont be having this argument. Muslims howl that the son Abraham sacrificed was Ishmael . . . well the only reason they can even mention A NAME at all is because the bible takes care to document such vital info. Why did the quran gloss over such an important article of the muslim faith? allah sef. full of tricks

Ok when God ask Abraham to Sacrifice how only son tell who is he talking about? can some have 2 kids and you say only son?

plappville:
who told u this? as u ve failled to respond to my question, instead asking question, this is making u to misunderstand everything. Did i said God was impatient? First born or last born, What God commanded took place.Do u think your arguement can change it? now let me put things clearer to u.

[i]It is plain and simple! man's failure to trust in God is what this issue lies.

In Genesis 16 shows us Abraham and his wife Sarah panicking about not having an heir when they were old, so they decided (at the urging of "Sarah" to take matters into their own hands by having Abraham sleep with his Sera's Egyptian maid Hagar. The result of this union was a son they named Ishmael.

Now on this tell me who put the Amen in the intercourse between Abraham and Hagar? Abraham has been phocking Sarah for more than 60yrs and no fruit from there labor. why is it that it is when he meet Hagar and phock hagar that God answer his prayer, wish mean Ishmael is Covenant child too if not he wont be born at all. But God only want to make Sarah happy that was why he gave them Isaac so Abraham has 2 kids from different mother's, saying one child is covenant and one is not is a stupid saying, tell among the kids you have for your hubby wish one is covenant and wish one are not?

plappville:
When Abraham (then still known as Abram before God changed his name) was 99 years old, God appeared and made a covenant with him, promising to make him the father of many nations , which meant at some point he would have another heir and that that other heir, and not Ishmael, would be the one with whom GOD would make his next covenant: 

With what u ve seen, u should be able to know. dont tell me the old testament is corrupts because, it the only book that made u know Abraham existed.

So father of many Nation through who and who?

Nice one Lagoshia

plappville:
WHERE DID  U SEE THAT I SAID GOD HAS NOT THE POWER TO MAKE SERA PREGNANT?

Sera wasn't patient to wait for Gods promises, so with her Impatience, seeing that age is not in her favour, she choosed Her maid, that was how ISHMAEL came all about. Abraham did fancy her ideal, but she insisted and there comes Ishmael. If Sera had waited for Gods promise, do u think Ishmael will be the issue today? mr misinterpreter gently plz!

And are you saying God is not perfect to have make Sarah pregnant first? But he want someone before Isaac cos he know Isaac will be the last born and Ishmael will be the first and that was why God delay Sarah till them and also God use Ishmael proof to Abraham, and mind you if Sarah waited she could be the one to give biorth to Ishmael but God only saying he is at work and can bring out King from the midst of Slave, so Ishmael is from the womb os how maid and God make him the head is Abraham Family

plappville:
Who are u to change the GODs word?

(Genesis 21:12)
12 But God said to him, “Do not be so distressed about the boy and your slave woman. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring[a] will be reckoned.



Even the "Torah" says that Ishmael mocked Isaac and often tried to frighten him. Then Sarah insisted that Abraham send Hagar and Ishmael away if Isaac were to be prevented from following Ishmael's evil ways.

Abraham was said not to be ok with Sera's decision, this may only be for the fact that Ishmael is his son, not because of Hager Sera's maid. But God told him to do as Sarah wished and that he will make Ishmael the father of a great nation. Do u think God is bias? He knew Ishael was not surposed to be Abrahams son, if not for the Impatient of Sera. The ture wife gave the true son. How did Hager even connected to the Mohammed? Hager was from Mizraim(Egypt), while Mohammed from the city of Macoraba in Dedan and Sheba(Saudi Arabia).
Let me see a good and true details of how Mohammed is a descendant of Ishael, hope someone can provide that.

With that bo9ld i now believe you are so stewpid and ignorance of what you dont know, are you saying God does not have the power to make Sarah pregnant? and are you also saying God make mistake for making Hagar pregnant and have the first child? if not then God is great and know everything even the seen and unseen he know what is happening now and there after so never use bad words against Ishmael cos he is the first son of Abraham. I mean the son that proof Abraham to be a real man as your first child proof your husband to be a real man.

proo212:
Bashy demy, are you trying to say Moses will refer to his God whom he spoke face to face and mouth to mouth to mean Mohammed? The English bibles say the LORD, are you equating Mohammed with God The four translations of the German bible I gave to you 2 of them said the LORD, one said Yahweh and the other said Jehova. There is no ambiguity here. The Hebrew bible calls the LORD YHWH in Deut 33:2 I don't know how Yahweh/Jehovah/The LORD=Mohammed?

Am not referring to Mohammad here, Moses the Lord came from Sinai, so is Sinai from Arabia? and rose up from seir uo to them explain this to me that what i need to understand, because you guys always say God of Israel like he is not the God of the world, but thank God Moses said he rose from Sinai meaning He is God of Arabia

proo212:
Bashy demy, are you trying to say Moses will refer to his God whom he spoke face to face and mouth to mouth to mean Mohammed? The English bibles say the LORD, are you equating Mohammed with God The four translations of the German bible I gave to you 2 of them said the LORD, one said Yahweh and the other said Jehova. There is no ambiguity here. The Hebrew bible calls the LORD YHWH in Deut 33:2 I don't know how Yahweh/Jehovah/The LORD=Mohammed?

Am not referring to Mohammad here, Moses the Lord came from Sinai, so is Sinai from Arabia? and rose up from seir uo to them explain this to me that what i need to understand, because you guys always say God of Israel like he is not the God of the world, but thank God Moses said he rose from Sinai meaning He is God of Arabia

^^^ i never argue with you on the figure,  WHat am saying is that who is Moses referring to in that verse?

This plappville self what thread are you talking about

proo212:
Hello there Bashy-Demy, you called me out of retirement.


Firstly it says the LORD and that is what it is, The LORD. We can argue that Bible scholars realised the 10,000 was impractical from the translation in many versions of the bible especially KJV and changed it in NIV version. But look at scholarship, it is said that the King James translation is wrong because the hebrew word RBBH does not mean 10,000 reason why you have myraid in NIV.

Did i hear you say KJV is wrong? hahahha nothing we no go hear on NL oooo, ok so wish is the best bible to read? oooo i keep laughing

proo212:
So this is not Mohammed leading "saints" from Mecca to Medina because Paran is near Arabia

So who then?

proo212:
Using the Bible in German translations

So i should go and learn German again to understand bible? i taught i need an holy spirit, hahah nothing we no go hear for NL ooo

proo212:
As you can see even Luther translation of the Bible said many thousands of saints (not an exact figure), Elberfelder 1871 said a myriad of saints, Luther 1912 also said many thousands of saints. The translations are centuries old and we can argue against corruption of the texts in this regard.

2And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them

Remember this happened when they were in the wilderness when the LORD led the children of Israel by a pillar of cloud during the day and fire during the night. If I have not explained to your satisfaction please bear with me but the German translation pretty much satisfies the amount of people that were led by the LORD.

Bro i am in an English speaking country and English is my first language and KJV is the best written over 400yrs ago.

and Secondly can you explain this verse for me

Deuteronomy 33:1-2:

Deuteronomy 33
1And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.

2And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.


Just need an explanation oooo no insult ,

proo212:
Oh My Goodness! Bashy Demy just acknowledged Jesus to be the Son of God. Halleluyah!

What it means is that they were the first to witness that "Prophet" that God promised to raise for them "His Son Jesus ". I really do not understand why we are still debating this.

Hey you are dealing with an educated man boi. Who were the first to witness the coming of the prophet? are those people who Moses is talking then alive when Jesus came? What that verse said is the God first raised Jesus, and send him to bless them so if you are confuse maybe you need to cool down and read more to understand,

Second give me proof of the Samuel and Ezekiel. Dint they have verses for them?

proo212:
Read the whole of Acts 3 but focus on verse 22 till the end. I have pasted the 21st century King James Version for proof.

22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, `A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you from your brethren, like unto me; Him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you.
23And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be destroyed from among the people.'   
24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those who follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25Ye are the children of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, `And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.'
26Unto you first, God, having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you in turning every one of you away from his iniquities."

Now read very well and tell me where Jesus fit in the prophet we are expecting.I have few Questions for you,
1, According to the bible, Is Jesus Prophet, Son of God, of god
2, According Verse 26 it says, Unto you First,God raised up his son Jesus, Sent him to bless you, Did you know what that mean? i will explain. Actually the prophet is coming but God raise up his son unto you first. Sent him to bless you, I believe this is alone if a proof that Jesus cannot be the Prophet cos if he happen to be the prophet why will God have to first raised him and prior to the Prophet, I think you need to sit down and read that verse very well, God Bless you

^^^Bro Acts 3 verse what and also to the rest so i can read and proof you wrong,

Nice would love to visit next year

frosbel:
What bible do you know.

I believe she know much about the bible and i have given you enough proof/contraction from it.

frosbel:
Toss away that other book    , ask God to open your eyes , go to a quiet place and spend 1 hour at least in the study of the gospel of John chapter 1 - 3 , pray and God will come and reveal himself to you.

Good you funny, you mean she should throw the complete book with no contradiction and read this book full of lies,editing and contradiction.Well God has already open her eyes to see the bountifulness of Islam Allahu Akbar. And again you said she should go to quit place (like the wilderness) Jesus run to when they plan to kill him? and also to read about how Jesus was slapped? To read about how Jesus preaches hell fire for himself? To read about how the bible call God a drunkard? to read about how the bible refer to God has Sango (god of thunder) to read about how Jacob fight and defeat God of the bible? Below are proof to back up my cliams,

Run to the Wilderness
John 11:53-54:

53Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.

54Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.


Jesus Slapped
John 18:21-23:

21Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said.

22And when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the high priest so?

23Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?


Jesus preaches Hell Fire for himself.

Matthew 5:22:

22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

And he call people fool here
Matthew 23:17:

17Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?



Bible refer to God has drunker.
Psalm 78:65:

65Then the LORD awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine.



Bible refer to God as Sango/smoker
2 Samuel 22:7-9:

7In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.

8Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.

9There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.


Jacob fight and defeat God in there Bible
Genesis 32:24-30:

24And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.

25And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.

26And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.

27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.

28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

29And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.

30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.


Also refer to God with Foolishness
1 Corinthians 1:25:

25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men

Now tell me is that all you want her to go and read and understand from the bible, you are a clown.

proo212:
Bashy_Demy, you still have not rebutted my last post. I'm still waiting.

What post are you talking about? can you try to insert the post in your next post and direct it to me ok.

proo212:
Bashy-Demy, you've come to this thread to say the same things we've been discussing in the other thread. Nothing changes, you need to give up looking for Mohammed in the bible. You will never find him. I understand your prophet asked you to ask the people of the book what was revealed before but he isn't in the bible.

If so there is no case for your prophet and you need to seek the truth in the word of God, The Bible and get to know the man behind the book. Not as you've always seen him as a.mere prophet but as the begotten Son of God who died for your sins, "That Prophet" you've been searching for in Deutoronomy 18.

Good night and God bless. The choice is entirely yours.

I guess it was only my comment you read, But never read the one of proo212 and plappville. They brought back the topic on here and i have to proof them wrong, Well about the issue of Deut 18 show me where did the name of Jesus mention there. And also show me how Jesus fit in that category, Ahmed Deedat gave a better explanation how Jesus cannot fit in that category, But people like you will turn blind eyes to that and still prooving yourself wrong. Oma she oooo

frosbel:
Okay I will go and sleep    , but one word of advise, STOP following that fanatic LagosShia aka bashy_demy, he will lead you to hell and the heretic-ism of Shiaism.

Bye !!!

This guy is stewpid. you parent waste money in giving you education. How will say say Bashy_demmy and Lagoshia are that same cos i believe that what you mean by AKA check our profile and see when we register, and also check my past post from 2009, ode ni e boi yi

frosbel:
I predict that between now and 2012 J[b]esus will meet with you and open your eyes[/b] from the gross darkness of your current state to the perfect and shining light of truth and hence salvation that is present even now for your precious soul.

Abandon the ways of a CULT System that is leading you into more bondage, hate and ire.

God bless ya , Sis.

are you talking about Jesus of the bible that was hang on a tree? are you talking about the same Jesus that was slapped? is it the same Jesus that cannot walk freely and openly when they plan to kill him, or are you talking about Jesus the footballer (Renivaldo Pereira de Jesus) some is answering the same name with you God hahah

frosbel:
^^^

You must and will be saved, not into the false prosperity gospel  , but into the blessed love and peace of the Kingdom of God and his Christ.

Say amen to that !!

He has already been safe with Almighty Allah

@Uplawal Frosbel is not my type when it come to argument cos he will abandon the conversation and run to another thread so he is too small

frosbel:
A survey on Drug Use in Afghanistan, issued 21 June 2010 by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), showed that around one million Afghans (age 15-64) suffer from drug addiction. At eight per cent of the population, this rate is twice the global average. Many Afghans are taking drugs as a kind of self-medication against the hardships of life. Link

And what does that have to do with religion? are you saying there are no xtians in Afghan? how about Mexico? its a xtians country and they have the highest rate of drugs.

frosbel:
Muhammad said: "Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people" [Ahmad, 6.459. H]

And tell me wish of those up there are bad? There are some lies you have to lie in other to safe your home, safe life, protect people etc. So are you saying if you lie to safe someone life is that bad? This guy na goat.

frosbel:
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Contradictions_in_the_Qur'an

And Show me the contradiction in those verses.

frosbel:
Unveiling the Middle East’s sex industry
Journalist John R. Bradley descends into the Arab underworld of prostitution and Indecency  -  Read More

This guy is a fool. Are there no prostitute in Israel? Mind you those prostitute are mostly Christians from Nigeria and most of them are Ibos, Clalabar, Delta, Benin etc,

frosbel:
violation in the Qur'an

There is no equivalent term for ‘violation’ in the Qur'an. Likewise, there is not a single verse in the Qur'an which even remotely discourages forced sex. In contrast, there are several verses in this book which give the green light to violation and other intimate crimes against women.

Qur'an chapter 4 verse 24 discusses lawful and forbidden women for pious Muslims. Before we delve into this verse, it should be noted that it is not easy to understand what is being suggested using the verse alone. Therefore, relying on authoritative Tafsirs (Qur'an interpretations) and Sahih (authentic) Hadiths associated with it, are necessary to get the exact picture.

[edit]Verse 4:24
Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.

Summary Answer:
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers.  Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.  Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Let's mention a few abominable acts in ISLAM.

1. Marrying children
2. Hating non-muslims
3. Plotting mass murder

etc etc

The Bible is God's word.



A Lie you mean

hahaha this guy is stewpid na today i know, about the verse 4:24

And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

 I guess you dont understand the verse bit i'll explain to you, What God is saying here is that it is Prohibited to you ( you dont have right to them).except those of your righteousness (your wives). and lawful to you are other that you seek there hand in marriage woth gift from your property. Do you know what that mean? let me explain. That was why most muslims believe in Nikai than going to one registry except an Islamic court. The best marriage Ever is traditional where both parent agree to become one. as far as the parent os the girl accept you and you take from your property, Money, cloths, foodstuffs to pay her dowry then you are entitle to her. did you read the art that says not unlawful sexual intercourse. i know you understand what that means. and for whatever you enjoy from the marriage.give them there due compemsation meaning taking good care of them. and there is no blame for you for what you agree to. meaning if the parent say they want 10 naira and you provide that for them there is no blame for you. Allah is always Great

^^ i have ask her to give me proof of the name Alexander the Great from Quran she keep blabbing around

proo212:
BashyDemy, you ask who was Deut 18 talking about? Who do you think? Jesus Christ of course. Acts 3:22-24 also refers to Deut 18. I suggest you read Acts 3. The disciples could never have referred to Mohammed and even a child could figure this out,

In the new testament He mentioned that He and the Father are one. But I am sure you will say but He was not the Prophet in the book of John because John the Baptist said he wasn't the prophet in John 1. You will say they asked after Elias, Messiah or The Prophet.

This is also one of your other arguments

The same book of John you wanted to spin for the Prophet, in chapter 6, the crowds realised that Jesus was that Prophet. Matthew 21 confirms it. I wait for another example

So please guys, the PROPHET is not Mohammed.

Uplawal, the practices that are contained in the bible that you liken to muslim worship makes not an iota of difference, perhaps the Orthodox Jews still do this, I am not aware of their way of worship and I will research this, but as Christians, we have a new covenant. I can bet bottom dollar that the Jews most likely worship this way if so, does this mean it is a muslim way of worship?

The truth still remains that Mohammed is NOT that prophet either in the OLD or NEW testament.

I will go through all those verses and respond to them later ok