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4everGod:
In Nigeria loads of kids call him Father Christmas others know him as santa claus. However they know he isnt real. Most of them grow out of it and intelligently discern he is not real despite them experiencing Chrismas every year.

For God the reverse is the case...They often grow INTO God and desire to know Him more and more and that is due to a deliberate spiritual vacuum God left in us. Some try to fill this vacuum using science but it falls short because several scientists have embraced God despite their very deep scientific exposures.

There are Billions who have sworn allegiance to God worldwide but not so for your Childhood fantasy called Santa.

Santa has no spirituality attached to him. God does. If you cannot tell the difference then i guess you must still be 10yrs old and still hanging a leg of your sock on your bedpost on Christmas eve.

First, I believed in Santa Claus when I was a kid and I grew up to discover he was fake.

Secondly, I believed in God as a kid and asked questions as I grew up to discover there is no God.

And, children don't grow into god! Just like Santa Claus, they are indoctrinated to believe and not doubt god!

Lastly, just like god, Santa had spiritual attributes, like talking to elves, flying using elves, and automatically/magically knowing if you are expecting him!

ambassagod:
bro, stop this dumbness naaah.

delusion is NOT A VIRTUE!! IT IS NOT!

Who brainwashed you that GOD IS TIED TO A BOOK OR RELIGION??

WHO DID THAT TO YOU??!!

Who brainwashed you that there is God? Who did that to you!

4everGod:
You are asking questions of another when you have not even attempted any aspect of the OP.

Dude you are ignorant! Simply accept it and seek knowledge.

Lol, did you just dodge the question? Lmao check my moniker also, I asked a question yesterday which it seems all theists dodged

Now I already told you i can't read that long pile of shiet!

ambassagod:
this is what I call a typical DING-DUMBNESS. Bro get real, this is a real world. Don't allow NL to give you a wrong perception of a world!

billions of people have experienced Santa Claus?? is it in real life or in your dreams? please get real, the day is almost gone! Tell me more about them, just a single person. a documented
testimony.

why do you love self deception and delusion?? why? and you are smiling at your delusion thinking that it is a fun thing to be deluded?

in a real world as this, experience is still one of the greatest proof to reality. That you never experienced it doesn't mean it is not real.

Here you go, one documented testimony of Santa Claus sightings

https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2012/12/23/saw-paranormal-santa-claus/4HNUxlrZLFvo3T46VNTSJL/story.html

Rephrasing your statement.. .

billions of people have experienced God ?? is it in real life or in your dreams? please get real, the day is almost gone! Tell me more about them, just a single person. a documented
testimony.

If you can say the person that experienced Santa is lying, same goes to the person that experienced God

@emboldened
So does that mean this man that experience Santa actually experienced Santa? And that Santa is real? Woah

That you never experienced Santa doesn't mean Santa is not real.. lol

ambassagod:
you really asked the bolded??

it is either you are a newbie or that you are certifiably DUMB. please are you a newbie?

Lol, I am both a newbie and I am dumb.. Now start showing me facts about this god of yours, don't tell me useless stories.. Just facts! Am waiting

ambassagod:
and the stupidity continues...

please, 4everGod can we take out time to organise a nairaland Sunday school lesson for the dumb boy? maybe we would teach him what
a creator means, and what his nature must be for him to be a universal creator.

How do you know your god exists and how the hell do you know that he is even a creator, I can't believe am dealing with such stupid...

Now let me ask you, if you were born and thrown into a jungle and you grew up without guidance,, would you have discovered anything about a God? Isn't that enough proof that your god was created by man?

Now answer my question first, would you have known about a God?

ambassagod:
why would any sane person mind to prove or prove the existence of Santa Claus?? disproving for what?

YOU JUST UPGRADED YOUR DELUSION.

Your comparison is just between A UNIVERSAL CREATOR(GOD) and Santa Claus which is not a creator.

God is not a name of an entity. Santa Claus is an entity. stop the stupidity!

"GOD" is an office. An office of an intelligent designer, through which everything that was made were made.

at least, nature is qualified enough with logic to be created by God the creator. now who Santa Claus help?

tell me about the Santa Claus you are telling that guy to disprove. who he eep? what is his affair??

lmao, you actually saw how stupid I sounded using Santa Claus right? That's how stupid you sound using god.. Because Santa Claus and God are the same, unproven myths!

ambassagod:
I wonder how someone would comfortably choose to be ignorant. I just wonder.

he is asking me who created, so that I can start afresh to educate him about GOD-NATURE.

Educate me about god nature? Wtf? Did you observe or study this god that you've even arrived on how he always was?? Shit happens when you choose faith over facts!

ambassagod:
you are not an atheist but agnostic?

you said "no one knows about an intelligent designer". how did you arrive at this conclusion?

before you were born, did anybody tell you that there is such thing as conscience? you believe that conscience exists because someone told you? and because of that conscience does not exist. That's how stupid you sound!

ignorance /ˈɪɡn(ə)r(ə)ns/
noun
lack of knowledge or information.

delusion /dɪˈl(j)uːʒ(ə)n/
noun
an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument , typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

A good example of delusion is evolution, and that's what the op just exposed.

Now come and tell me how a disbelief in evolution and belief in God a creator is a delusion or ignorance.

Lol, you are really giving me a good laugh.

Why didn't you add the definition of faith? Let me help you.

Fauth:
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.


Now see the emboldened in your post., so is it right I say you have a mental disorder??

Agnostics BELIEVE in God and the supernatural... I believe neither in Gods nor supernaturals! Am just setting out a probability for you.

Evolution although has no evidence yet, but it is derived from study and observations .

Who studied or observed god? You deluded homosapien!

hopefulLandlord:
I'm sure you don't know there are 2 types of Satanism

this one is simply a parody

Don't mind him, there are Satanists who believe in Satan and those who do not.. They think all Satanists are believers of lucifer..

4everGod:
If the OP is all stupid talk then go ahead and refute it. Show me how it actually is stupid talk. Back your words up with action! Can you?

FROM the point you claimed evolution is just a theory and that it doesn't even qualify as a theory, I lost all hope in reading the rest of the post, because if the beginning could start with such Nonsense, how will the rest be?

4everGod:
But you believe in the evolution made known to you by humans which i have clearly shown were lies.

Now since evolution has been shown to be a lie and you say God is a lie so what would you now do next?

Lol, the op was just stupid talks from someone who doesn't even understand evolution.

Evolution makes more sense than the creation story!

4everGod:
I asked you to do a history check on my moniker to demystify yourself. Have you done that?

Is it the story of Awesome Testimony From A Nairalander I Met About Gods Miraculous Intervention

So you mean those kind of things do not happen to Muslims and atheists alike?

These kind of things usually happen to me (whenever am in need, help comes from unexpected sources) and I never prayed or took it to be spiritual, so it's either your god loves something in me because I don't believe in him, or simply put. THINGS HAPPEN!

4everGod:
Too many assumptions litter your life.



Your lack of belief in it doesnt change its frequency of occurrence. Does your refusal to ever ride in a vehicle render vehicles non existent?



Magic is magic and the supernatural is eons beyond Magic. Do you believe there "MIGHT" be a God?

Answering your question...

You are called out to come forward, and you were taken to a bucket filled with marbles, but your eyes were blindfolded, and then they tell you to pick a violet colored marble, the total number of marbles were 200...

You DON'T KNOW the colors present in the bucket, like hell you don't even know if there is a violet marble in the bucket, but mathematically, there might or there might not be a probability that you will pick 1 violet marble over 200, or that there is even a violet marble in the 200 marbles

But is it right for you to just jump into conclusions that there is a violet marble (that there is a god) or that you will pick the violet marble (that your god is the true God) without even considering the probabilities??

So simply put, there might be a possibility of a God, or there might be a possibility that there is no God.. But either ways I don't believe in the god made known to me by humans!

4everGod:
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Lol, you've felt and heard god in your consciousness?? Lol..

Tell yourself the truth, I don't need to know whether it's a lie or the truth.. Just tell yourself the truth..

ROTFLMAO

4everGod:
The effect of Gravity is too subtle to be felt...It could be seen but not felt. I advice you stop saying that. You sound sub literate when you say we have felt gravity.

my bad, no one is above mistakes, but either ways, gravity is a fact!

And your god? Well even Christians claim that he is a mystery...

4everGod:
Indeed you need schooling. He just told you his proof and they are his spirituality and his inner senses and you still talk about requiring proof?

The God matter often times requires a personal conviction or proof as external proof has often been based on what you wish to see as proof and not on what is available.

If you see a man get healed of cancer you would demand for one being raised from the dead. If you see one being healed from small pox you would demand for one to be healed from HIV Aids.

Ultimately only you know where to draw the line and that is where your inner senses come in.

First and foremost, a man can only be healed from cancer if he really had cancer, not that he claimed to have cancer..

And I don't believe in those tricks called "miracles".

Am sure you lots believe that magic has supernatural means to it..

DeepSight:
Either proof or experience or both.

Unfortunately experience is subjective and cannot be transferred. I will thus discuss this matter on philosophic logic and also science.

Can you for once stop saying logic! Science didn't get the cure of malaria through logic! They simply studied the effects and ways to counter the effects!! No scientific fact is based on logic. Am sure if you are a scientist, you know steps things have to go through to become a fact right? AND LOGIC IS NOT ONE OF THEM..

Logic is only applied when you have no fact or evidence AND normally, such things can't happen logically, so you disprove them, not the other way round, using philosophical logic to "claim to know" of a God!

DeepSight:
No book told me any such thing to cause my apprehension of Gods existence. Again, you make silly assumptions. You are quite the baby.

I do not have to see a thing to be aware of its existence. This is a fact. There are many things you have never seen but know exist. If you say this is not the case, you denigrate yourself and denigrate your modern humanity.

I establish the existence of God on logic and challenge you to do the same.

Step by step

There are things we haven't seen of course and we know they exist, just like gravity, because, simply put, we've felt it's effects!

ON logic you go again? What effects of God have you seen? And how sure are you that that God is not Odin or Thor?

4everGod:
You have already been told how unintelligent you sound when talking about the probable existence of santa claus. So i will not dwell on this.

Ah, it's like you got my point.. . I was actually trying to show you how unintelligent you sounded, and it seems like it worked

Thanks for admitting you lied and simply because you lied means you never ever experienced God and just wanted to fit in or be recognized as a spiritual brother. Others who have had true personal experiences abound and i am one of them. So why lie when you could have easily sought after the truth or your very own true personal experience? You must have been a habitual liar back then.

Stop using others for Bleep sake, and mind you, the only way one would be said to have encountered god, is when he tells us that he either heard or felt god (not in his dreams or imaginations o)

I already answered this and i advised you earlier to focus on yourself and not on others. I have my personal experiences about God and have never relied on anothers experience. Nairaland is a past time and not my world. You can ask the ex atheist urheme for his own personal God experience.

I hope your personal experiences are of you hearing or feeling god in your conscious state? Else, it's just Natural occurrence that you are attributing to a God, you can as well attribute it to Spider-Man

God has used me to perform miracles so like i said, speak for yourself.

How sure are you that it wasn't Zeus or Thor that used you? and by miracle I hope it's not healing a sick person who was already on MEDICATIONS?

I could easily call this a lie since you also admitted to lying when you were a christian.

Calling something a lie doesn't make it a lie you know? So you are free to call it what you so please!

DeepSight:
Ah.

I see my work is cut out for me: for it will take a lot to school you.

The work will be hard, for you have shown yourself shallow and presumptive already: there you go for whatever bizzare reason calling me a Christian. I am not a Christian. In fact, I am not religious at all. I subscribe to no religion.

My belief in the existence of God derives from philosophic logic, my spirituality and my inner senses.

Step by step....

Cool, philosophic logic..

You know it is two things to say you believe in God and you know there is God right?

With the above posts you've made, you've claimed you know that there is God.. . So how do you know there is God? Logic? Lol

You seriously know that proofs are required to know something right?

4everGod:
Oh so now you believe in Cause and effect and the laws of thermodynamics?

If you do based on your comment you clearly should be able to admit that the theory of evolution fails to meet these laws.So if our earthly scientific laws say that for every cause there must be an effect that means someone more powerful than nature or the universe caused this effect which proves the law of cause and effect which says " that for every effect there is a definite cause, likewise for every cause there is a definite effect. Your thoughts, behaviors and actions create specific effects that manifest and create your life as you know it"

If you speak about cause and effect we speak about it scientifically and based on earthly, fleshly standards. Is God earthly? Is God fleshly?

Can the spiritual dance to the rhythm of the natural or is reverse the case?

If we say God is eternal what does this mean to you?

Shiit, why do you Christians love creating meanings that'll suit your narrative? I said I am talking from a Christian point of view, not my own point of view!

And how the hell do you know of a spiritual when you haven't encountered or studied one?

DeepSight:
Santa Claus is a fairy myth created by men.

In the same way, the gods of many religions may be myths created by men
However, that God, which is the necessary and eternal mind that upholds reality and existence, is no creation of men.



Just because you can't disprove the existence of something, doesn't mean it exists!

Yes, no need to prove a negative. But the positive is self evident, and self existent too.

Lol, you just claimed that some religion gods are created by men but not the Christian god because you are a Christian, that's what a Buddhist will say, the same thing a Muslim will say, same thing a traditional worshipper will say...

So you see? Simply put.. God(that we humans claim to know about) is a fairy myth created by men!

DeepSight:
This question - "Who created God?" is only asked by very unschooled atheists who lack thought, nuance and a subtle sense of philosophic logic. The more nuance and intelligent atheist does not even ask this sort of kindergarten question.

And here is the reason: by definition, God is an uncreated element. God is advanced as an eternal being that cannot not exist: this is what is referred to in philosophy as a "necessary thing" - something that could not but exist by default. Something whose non-existence cannot be contemplated in any circumstance whatsoever.

Such are also referred to as self-existent things.

God is the self existent and necessary permanent element which in so self-existing, upholds the worlds.

My only question is, how do you know much of a God you haven't seen, heard or even felt, but because a book told you he exists, you are now claiming "he has always existed".. . Only a fool knows all!

4everGod:
YOU know nothing about God because you simply chose not to. Billions of others in the world have chosen TO KNOW Him and their direct experiences with God has justified their decisions.

However i have helped you walk backwards using science to show you in this piece how science itself has ended up having no option but to lean towards creationism as all their postulations have been mere geriatrics aimed at forcefully giving credence to the science of evolution which leading Physicists and Biochemists have declared as MADNESS!

Lol, am seriously laughing hard at this. Let me rephrase..

YOU know nothing about Santa Claus because you simply chose not to. Billions of others in the world have chosen TO KNOW Him and their direct experiences with Santa Claus has justified their decisions

So because you chose to know something, that means that it exists? And you say other people's direct experiences.. Do you know I was once a Christian and I gave a false testimony of how I encountered with God, come and see how people were like, praise the lord.. . So if I could lie about something, do you seriously think every other person is saying the truth??

It's funny how you rely on the experiences of others that you cannot even confirm to be true, not your own personal experience, abi god hasn't seen your struggles on nairaland? Isn't it time he rewarded you by talking to you? Lol.. .

it's funny how you believe in miracles, but these miracles have never happened to people you originally know to be defective (blind, crippled...) , you just see " miracles " happening to random persons you don't know!!

I still remember back then as a Christian, one of my friends dad was a blind man, and the man is rich and intelligent.. I told this guy, why haven't you guys gone to the synagogue church of all nations (TB JOSHUA).. . And he told me that they've been there and they've been to so many places, but they keep telling them "God's time is the best"...

Pfft, you easily deceived fellows!

Eastactivist:
You really are ignorant.
And how will you prove that God didn't exist.
Why not tell me?

Can you first of all prove to me that Santa Claus doesn't exist?? ?

If you can't prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist, there you go, I also can't prove that God doesn't exist! But if you can prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist, I'll use your method to prove that God doesn't exist..

Just because you can't disprove the existence of something, doesn't mean it exists!

4everGod:
You are simply making puerile sounds. Its pretty obvious really.

Now from saying we do not know everything yet which obviously includes the lies of evolution you now want to jump to who created God?

Try not to blow a fuse!

actually, I don't believe in God and I don't think I was "created"..

Now the claim makers are you Christians who believe that a complex structure like the human being must have been created, so I asked, who created the more complex creator??

And you Christians tend to say" god has no creator ", so if you can believe that a God has no creator, why can't you believe that man also has no creator.. And that's when the double standards kicks in
A complex structure has a creator, but a more complex structure has no creator

Stupid! That's all I can say, just plain stupid!

Eastactivist:
After death comes judgement.
Only few dies and Come back to life by His Grace.

And who told you there was an after life? A book? Did the writer of the book visit the after life? Gosh!!

ambassagod:
you are the real stupid dumb person here!

you lack a belief in god and now wants to contaminate science to suit what you would like to believe.

you want to turn sciences into faith based. just GERAWT!!!

it can't work that way!

So you believe an intelligent man can not just come by mistake right? He must have been created right? Now tell me who created god, else, I'll have to leave you to your idiocy!

ambassagod:
ANOTHER LIE!

you guys too love self deception.

please can you prove the lie up there? I know you can't!

bunch of hardmirrors!

FROM the way you talk, you sound like an idiot though (no pun intended)...


What lie? Is it a lie that you've never seen or heard from your god? Don't be stupid!

ambassagod:
still making a claim borne out of self delusion and ignorance.

why do you think there may be a God? are you no longer an atheist? and just hide and tell me that agnostic-atheist anthem to me, it will only make you sound more gullible.

How do you that nobody knows nothing about him?

for you to know that nobody knows about him, doesn't that mean you know something about him?

how do you know that he clearly does want us to know about him?

you see how easily you guys can just fake up an ideology you know NOTHING ABOUT, yet claiming as if you know. This is self deception!

[b] first, I don't believe in God.

Secondly, I don't, or even no one knows everything about our universe..

Now since we don't know everything YET, there might be a possibility that there is an intelligent designer behind the creation of the universe.

And again, that intelligent designer(if one exists) is not the fairy tale genocidal bastard yahweh, who is everything but intelligent.

Now, no one knows about an intelligent designer, that is a fact, and delusions don't overpower facts! So it is possible that there is no intelligent designer and it is also possible that there might be an intelligent designer.

When you were born, did you know anything about a God (rhetorical)? did any god speak to you? Did you feel any god? How did you come to know about a God? - because SOMEONE TOLD YOU that there is a god, and here you are, arguing as if you have seen or heard this god of yours.

Lastly, I don't think you Christians understand the word "ignorance" and "delusion" , because you tend to use it more often, Now, define faith, and compare faith with delusion and ignorance, let us see who the ignorant and deluded is..

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Pidgin2:
If you are a Christian go and read your bible it will help you grow in faith. Also stop reading atheists posts they are working for the devil

lol, read the Bible written by a mad man? Nah... We agents of God (lucifer) will keep fighting against the devil (yahweh).. .

LMAO