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DoctorAlien:
You can actually try to disprove my argument. Prove the Bible false. Don't produce red herrings. But I know that you hate anything that puts the burden of proof upon you.

Premise 1: The bible is always true.

FALSE!

Joshua 10: 12-13

On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "Sun, stand still over Gibeon, and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon."

So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.

One would expect that God being all knowing would at least know the sun is always still, and that it's the earth that revolves , unless God is also a flat earther .. The stupid is strong

“Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

Why is it that Christians ask for things and they don't get it? Oh, "they don't have enough faith" (what amount of faith would be required to be just like a mustard seed ) and "God knows best".. Yeah right, sounds like bullshit to me

One thing you should know about "Christians" is that they refuse to think for themselves, only Liberal Christians even think a little.

'Apostle' Suleman is a conman, that all reasonable people know.

He loves issuing threats that scare only the fools and the gullibles, I thought this conman made the statement.

"God just told me something..... And in 24 hours... Marine, will be disgraced publicly."

It's been more than 72hrs, and we haven't heard sh-it.. But trust me, his followers will still follow and defend him..

Africa, break yourself from mental slavery!

Suleman is guilty, from his actions you'll know it, others saying otherwise, even with the picture evidence, are nothing but mental slaves!

Religion is synonymous to brainwashing, no doubt!

felixomor:
Just as you cant be atheist if u dont confess the non existence of a creator....

It works all ways...

Well that's another misconception..

You can be an atheist without even dumping the belief in Gods I.e if you have no knowledge of Gods, you're also an atheist!

felixomor:
Just like religious people attend willingly too....
Oh boy, u have been exposed......

LMAO you can't be religious if you don’t worship a God or have some worship methods you know..

bolkay47:
You assumed? Hell No!!

LOL, see someone living his whole life based on someone else's hallucinations and assumptions talking about "assumptions"..

enshy:
What documentations, give it a name?
What is the authenticity of the documentations that you give it much credence?
Hope you didnt just believe it?

Do you know what "evidence" is called? Ancient cavemen left signs of their civilization.. Dinosaurs left blueprints.. All those are "evidence".

You don't need to believe a fact, believe it or not, it's still valid as a fact!

felixomor:
You are now dancing away.....
At first "its not organized"
Now its "thet dont go there to worship"

Blah blah......
Mscheww

It's not organized 'cause atheists are not obligated to do anything! People attend those gatherings willingly.. There are atheists who don't even talk about their atheism.

Atheism is not organized and not a belief system!

enshy:
You dont know..Fine!
So how did you arrive at your conclusions?
Did you apply reason/logic or you believed?
All the gist up there, did you read them and prove them by logic and reason or you believed?
For all atheists, you must not believe anything without proofs by reason and logic else you are a Fraud.
The oldest religion is hinduism, prove it! You dont know early men but you know what they worshiped...Isnt this contradictory?
The God you dont believe deliver you!

LOL, there's something called "history"..

Hinduism is the oldest religion known to man, isn't it a fact that your religion is just 3000years old?
There might be a possibility that there were older religions that died off, but according to documentations hinduism is the oldest known.. And when hinduism started, there were people who didn't follow it, those who subscribed to no faith, these were atheists.

And why are we even having this conversation when your religion claims the earth isn't more than 10,000years old, where in fact, human remains upto 200,000 years old was recently found in Ethiopia.

The thing is this, what was before religion?

enshy:
Who are the early men that never believed in God?
Give us a brief history of atheism and how it evolved/life phase over the 4000 years as you remarked.

I can't talk about things I don't know (that's what religion does, talk about things it doesn't know).

The Neanderthals had no gods, 'cause the oldest religion we have is hinduism, don't you think people had lives before hinduism? And your religion is only but 3000years old, and here you are, claiming it is the true religion.. Smh

Pidgin2:
Even you can answer these questions if you read the bible but what's the point if I intend using the bible to anwser these questions but you don't believe in it?

Really? The bible talked about the genitals and belly buttons of Adam and eve? What book and chapter please..

enshy:
You dont have answers.
Dont stress! Let your mentors answer the question!!
Or better still consult them and answer rightly and on point.
Dont strive about words!

LOL, I don't have answers to what?

Richirich713:
The correct definition and consistency.



How is the analogy similar to ur disbelieve in God.

So you told me you saw someone with 7 heads, and I tell you "I don't believe that"... Are you now going to say I believe that you didn't see someone with seven heads?

Disbelieving in something is not a belief!

bolkay47:
Can you please elaborate how "Early Men" lacked belief in Gods? You mean they were pagans or something? How did you arrive at that?

LOL, pagans do not lack belief in Gods, mind you..

Before religion what do you think man was doing? Worshipping gods or surviving?

felixomor:
You are not even up to date....
There are now atheist churches and assemblies in europe and America.....

Allow the devil to continue washing your brain....
You dont know ...

Atheist churches, you should know that atheists don't go there to worship any God, it's just same as atheist rallies.

enshy:
Who are early men that dont have believe in God?
Give us the story jor!
Nairaland save me from this guy ooo: I asked for story/history, he gave me one sentence/statement!
Please if you have no history, next atheist pls!

How old is your religion? How old are humans? Before religion do you seriously think early men were worshipping gods?

enshy:
Please give us a brief account of the history of atheism dated back to 4000years or you have no record? I know you will never answer this!
You live painfully, I dont!

Your question is just same as me asking "give me a brief history of homosexuality dated back to 4000years"..
Atheism is also the LACK of belief in Gods.. Early men lacked beliefs in Gods, so they are atheists!

felixomor:
So you can see that you have betrayed your formal education..

LMAO
I know what I did there.. You are trying to say atheism is a belief so you can push it to the level of religion.. But what if we tell you we KNOW all your abrahamic gods do not exist?
And atheism is diverse.. One who lacks knowledge of Gods is also an atheist!

felixomor:
Atheism is not a belief!!!!!
So what is the belief that there is no God called?

No extra comment please
Answer straight....

The belief that there is no God? I don't know what that's called, maybe "the belief there is no God"?

enshy:
You only get this sort of desperation from demons on the loose.
The last days is very close!
Atheism is basically I dont believe there is God because I cant reason it out...Ok prove there is no God by reason/logic they cant!
Their founding fathers all lived empty and depressed lives smoking and drinking their way to destruction.
Mark Payne lived on 20 cigars/day, Hitchens lived a drunk and chain smoker.
Mark Payne died financially bankrupt, lost his wife an friends and died a painful death!
Their target is baby xtians who are yet to get a grasp of their Faith not You n I.
The demons tremble when we challenge!

LOL

Atheism is as old as the first men, your religion is not even upto 4000years, while atheism has been there since time immemorial, unless you are saying "before Christianity, everyone lived painfully" and that makes you sound like an idiot

Richirich713:
No I wouldn't, but atheists are people who have heard about God and believe God doesn't exist.

Well when you use the word "belief", you are referring to an organized group with a faith! Atheism isn't organized and has no faith, it's just like you telling me you saw a pink elephant and then I said "I don't believe that" , and then you go about saying I believe that you didn't see a pink elephant.. .

disbelief isn't a belief, just like turning off the TV isn't a TV station!

Gmajor:
these are Baby questions.
I was expecting to see something that was well thought.

of course they are baby questions, and we know you are an adult.. So, the answers please?

Richirich713:
Atheism, the belief that there is no God. This lack of belief stuff is a new definition.

LOL, would you say someone who has never heard about gods believe that there are no gods?

Richirich713:
the way u guys attempt to protect atheism from everything, even redefining words.

And what did we redefine?

below are some questions Christians can never answer, and you'll know that's a fact because none of them will comment the answers.. Watch and see

Did God create humans with genitals?

[color=maroon] Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? [/color]

According to the creation story, on the first day, God wandered the "universe" , it was deserted and filled with water. who created that water and what was before the first day??

In the story of Jephtah, why did God grant him success if he(God) did not approve of the human sacrifice?

Is God omniscient?

If God is omniscient, why do you claim to have freewill?

[color=skyblue] Does God have a perfect plan? [/color]

[color=forestgreen] If God has a perfect plan why do you call people sinners when they are clearly doing what God programmed them to do? [/color]

Is God all loving and powerful?

If God is all loving and powerful, why hasn't he destroyed hell?

Do God hate sin?

If God hates sin why hasn't he destroyed the source of all sins?

NB: I already know no Christian will attempt any of the Question

People like felixomor actually make this sort of claims, and am just here to clarify things..

Does two wrongs make a right? Theists actually make these claims in hope that it will absolve religion for it's sins.. but that's bullshit!

Atheism has never and will never be responsible for what people do.

Now these claims actually stem from the misunderstanding of the word "atheism".

Atheism is only but a disbelief in Gods, nothing more, nothing less.

Atheism is not responsible for what Stalin or Mao did, because:

Good people will always do good, and bad people will always do bad, but for a good person to do bad, it takes religion

Religion has actually ordered people to be di-cks, like they should hate(kill) gays, hate(kill) unbelievers. Every religious terrorism always has a known motive,either to convert people or to punish people who don't follow their religion.

The middle ages of Christianity, how they terrorized the world for the sole aim of making them Christians, how they burnt "Witches" and all other nonsense, can all be justified by these Christians if they quote their bible.

What Mao did was never for atheism, as atheism never asked anyone to do anything!

Islamic terrorists can always justify their terrorism if they quote their quran.. Religion can basically justify evil!

Making claims like "atheism has killed more people", I don't understand what you mean by that statement, are you trying to justify the crimes of religion or what?

Atheism is responsible for nothing! Atheism doesn't have rules or commandments, atheism is not a belief or faith, get your facts right!

iSpirit1:
You could have performed MIRACLES if only you never gave up.

I've recieved Miracles, I've seen, and I've performed.

A Good friend of mine prayed for a-10 years old dead child and she revived.

Please, do not be this short sighted (blind). It's NOT God's fault that you couldn't perform miracles. It is your fault!

LOL, so what about people from other religion who performed miracles? What about atheists who perform miracles? Your God is too small bro, too small!

The child was never dead, if you like claim he was.. Same happened to ma little bro years back, he passed out and was prayed on, after a lot of prayers, he woke up, we all believed he was dead, and God brought him back, but he was never dead and would still have regained consciousness without prayers!!

Why don't pastors and prophets heal real people with defects? Have you ever prayed for a real blind man and got him healed??

One stupidity portrayed by you lots is that you always try to carve an answer where there isn't, you pray, and nature take it's course.. . Wow it's a miracle, praise God.. you pray and nothing happens.. Hmm, God's time is the best, or maybe we didn't have enough faith...

Why not take a real blind man to the best of pastors and prophets you know let's see what will happen, oh wait, we all know, nothing will happen!

enshy:
Answer the question.
You say all you have is this world, how did you get it? It fell from the skies...At least you are sure you have, how did you get it? You bought it, inherited it or were given?

That's where the stupidity of a God comes in, go read up about the God of the gaps, that's exactly what you are heading to.. "this happened, and so we don't know how it happened, so God did it!!"..

It's stupid when I see people using the God of the gaps , I find it insulting to intelligence!

So just because we don't know exactly how the world came about, then a God must have done it?? Why don't you say Allah or Zeus did it? Why is it specifically the God of your religion??

What we don't know is evidence of what we don't know, not evidence of God, stupid!

And i know i came to this world through birth!

If only you know that your religion is a copy of older religions!

enshy:
Did you say you have the world? The word 'have' means to possess or own...Only 3 means to have: purchase, inherit, were given...Which is yours?
What a life! Just this world and thats it! I know animals live for this world alone, I never knew some intelligent, science oriented people believe same.
Im not in class with animals, Im sorry I just cant believe same!

LOL, then you have a childish mentality I guess.. If your imaginary friend makes you happy, who am I to object... Just that it's not cool you go about telling people your imaginary friend is real!

enshy:
And who would teach me?
You, atheist who knows next to nothing.
Atheism is sham, folly, shame, pathetic...Devils believe in God and you dont.
What would you conclude based on that premise - devils believe, you dont?
What do you live for, what would you die for?

LOL, what Devils believe?? The one your fictional bible told you about??

We/I live for everything, when I die that's it for me.. This world is all I have

enshy:
Oh thats where I am different.
I dont live my life considering all these...Whats my business with what moslems, hindus, atheists say/think?
I told you I, not someone else, am for Jesus!
The world can go the other way, I AM FOR JESUS!

Why won't you still be religious when you are clouded with such myopia and ignorance, and unwilling to learn anything??

enshy:
Bro you couldnt have been and if truly you were, your explanation cant take you out of the faith.
I met Jesus on a personal experience about 13 years ago..Ive had challenges, successes, failings, disciplines, denials, lost friends, broke up with the lady I loved so much, punished the flesh, cried and prayed severally, condemnation even amongst believers, mockery from sinners, hatred by many, gave up job opportunities and so on but I stuck to Him and sincerely I have no regrets for I am what I am today by Grace. For all these, He keeps rewarding me but even if I have no reward, eternity in Heaven is enough!
Ive seen Him so close, he has spoken to me so dear, visions and revelations often!
I live, move and have my being in Him!
No height of knowledge or depth of wisdom can take Jesus away from me!
I see eternity is close, I cant waste away, I must overcome till the end!
This Jesus is the essence of my life!

All you need is applying a little more intelligence.. the same way you claim your religion is true, is the same way a Muslim claims his is true, you can't tell me a Muslim is wrong, because that's exactly what a Muslim says about you.. But I know you are all wrong!!

enshy:
What was your born again experience like? Which church were you?
What do you understand by being born again?

LOL, already know where this conversation is heading to, you're trying to play the no true Scots card... you're trying to say I wasn't really ever a Christian.. I laugh