Scholar8200:
Are you an atheist?

does it matter?

butterflyl1on:


What exactly is REFERENCE TO RELIGION? You well so?

The scriptural references I listed out are references to what? I know you would say they are references to religion even when they are not. How on earth can anyone make reference to RELIGION or are you confusing religious beliefs for religion?

Again smh for you

Quit sounding like a dimwit.

You are diverting the whole point of this thread.

I've argued with alot of Xtians both online and at work. Whenever you point out how totally man's-idea inspired their religions are, they try to regard you as the scum of the earth by suggesting you don't believe the universe has a creator, so infact you are 'horrible'..

And their arguments from that moment will be "the universe cannot exist without a creator, humans cannot exist without a creator", that begs the question, how does the universe having a creator prove that Jesus is lord or that Xtianity is the true religion?

butterflyl1on:


Smh and more smh.

The universe must have a cause to a theist simply means the universe has a creator. We do not need to spell it out to you like we would a 2 year old do we? Unless of course you are trying to say you reason like a 2 year old which is clearly shown by your OP.

So Genesis in the Bible which talks about God and creation and a pillar of THEISM is now a deistic view?

So deists are the ones who talk about God and his creation as found in the following scriptures.

you miss the whole point!

A christian saying that the universe must have a cause is totally ok, the problem is when they keep repeating the argument with no reference to religion.

You then start wondering if they are really religious. Why don't you regard your religion when arguing?

butterflyl1on:


This must be the most stupid mindset and comment I have ever seen on nairaland.

People just dig out things from their asses just to open threads.


Cc kingebukasblog

That's the whole point

To feed you your own vomit.

That's how stupid you lots sound when instead of enlightening us on why you follow a certain religion, and why you think the religion is true.. You divert to the deistic pattern of argument, "the universe must have a cause".

We want to hear your theistic pattern, "Yahweh created the universe, and Jesus is his son, and Christianity is the true religion", not the "The universe has a creator" pattern. That is meant for deists, and not christians! Be original for Christ's sake!

Have you ever argued with a christian?

Do you know that whenever christians argue(or try to sound smart), they do that from a deistic point of view instead of a theistic stand.

You never see them trying to prove how Jesus was the son of god, rather they'll keep talking about how the universe would have never existed on its own, and how god was the one who created the universe.

Their logic goes thus:

"The universe was created by an eternal being, so therefore, Jesus is the son of God."

Christians, what are you really arguing for?

Even chicken we dy import?

So real women should go about wetting their man's eyes? Was this not the ho caught cheating? How the hell did she think her husband felt? She still get mouth dy talk nonsense

These hos always tryna stay relevant.

Abeg who get that "lord take back this idiot" meme?

What more is left to see in this world? Just when you thought you've seen it all.

Even though it's a good step to stop stigmatization, bros my village people no ft make me chop there!

Mickeydray:
how do they expect candidates to solve questions ?
maybe they will probably provide pencils


#NothingWorksInNigeria

pencils are probably allowed. There are a lot of electronic pens out there, and mobile phones that look like watches, that's probably why the two were banned.

But who go cheat, go still cheat!

rebirthforgoody:







Why me Na

remember you said you'd be dead if vodka was given for everytime you F'd? It's only logical o

rebirthforgoody

Tahra:
Men are insatiable.

you are right. If you like have an attitude similar to his mom, if he's gon leave, he'll surely leave

IAMSASHY:
4. Chop and clean mouth

lol iStandWith4 o

Once I realize a lady is keeping me in the zone, I simply stop talking to them.. Ain't got time to be some relationship advisor for any bit#h
Don't even think am in the zone of any thot

1game won

I advise you single them.

CHINESE SUPER LEAGUE (12:35)

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CLUB FRIENDLY GAMES (16:00)

SK Rapid Vienna - Celtic.. Celtic to win(2.46)

Livingston - Hearts.. Livingston to win(4.40)

Goodluck

Patheos:
She's right tho

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livinbygrace:
Correct babe!One of the most sensible actress in Nollywood.A real African man is not meant for only one woman.

HarveySpecter1:
Spot on. How can a man be a bad person for cheating on a fairly used pu551? How? These women expecttoo much from us. They will tell you that it is impossible for them to remain brand New but they expect us to manage their used puss135

So what happens when your wife decides to explore other ""s bigger than yours? You then call her a LovePeddler? Let's not be stupid..

If a man can cheat, a woman should also cheat and let everything be balanced! Don't bring the double standard bs!

It's good to know that most people still have hearts of gold..

The brave policeman, Chukwudi Iboko who died recently, left a family of 7.

His last child aged 5 died on sighting the corpse of his dad. His widow and six children have been left indigent by his death and require help for rent, feeding and school expenses.

The four million target has been met within one day, thank you Nigerians..

Cc: mynd44

So this mamagee still dy alive?

Soldiers have allegedly invaded a community in Ghana and dealt mercilessly with the people after they mistakenly lynched a soldier to death.

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The Assembly Member alleged to have incited Monday's murder of Captain Maxwell Adam Mahama in Denkyira-Obuasi in the Central Region has been arrested.

Also, soldiers have allegedly beat the hell out of some of the resident alleged to have participated in the lynching of the soldier.

William Baah turned himself in to the Diaso police at exactly 3:30pm, the police have confirmed.

He is currently being transported to the Regional Police Headquarters in Cape Coast to assist with investigations.

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Late Captain Maxwell Mahama was a military officer with the 5th Infantry Batallion (5BN) at Burma Camp in Accra but on detachment duties at the Denkyira Boase of the Central region.

Captain Mahama who is the commander of the area military detachment according to his subordinates, was seen jogging along the main road and as he stopped by to ask some women for directions, the women saw a pistol on him.

The women who were alarmed by the discovery of the pistol on Captain Mahama mistook him for an armed robber thereby alerting their assembly member who allegedly organised some men to lynch him and even burnt him in the process.

The women’s action is said to have been influenced by recent robbery attacks in the area with a recent one being a day before.


The military officer was not in uniform when the incident happened and is said to have pleaded with the mob not to lynch him, indicating that he was an army officer and not a criminal, but his plea was not taken by the mob who hit him with several objects including cement blocks.

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Source: http://www.247nigerianewsupdate.co/2017/05/omg-see-what-soldiers-did-to-residents.html

halarho:
Pls if u are to object any opinion, sincerity and truthfulness matter most, some of you said Muhammad killed to call people on to the path of God without evidence...... U said Quran is fallible bring any fault in it....unlike your Bible where love letters are found there day to day.......be objective in you analysis

Lol, so you prefer war and hate letters to love letters?? Not supporting the Bible too, cuz they are same, a plagiarism of the Jewish Torah

Angel196:


You are very funny, seriously. But to enlighten you..

Mecca, just like any other part of the world had variates of religions then. It was through Muhammad pbuh who was born in mecca that God made Islam official, meaning it was Through him that Islam officially became a religion not just an act.

When he started preaching about Islam, some believed and some disbelieved even amongst his own family members just like Abraham's. For those who believed and began practicing Islam, began being picked on and aggressed by the non believers that some were even forced to change back due to fear. The ones who refused were killed and threatened. Even Muhammad was threatened and some plotted to kill h8m and his remaining followers, hence he had to leave his home and land and migrated to Medina (hijira).

God then gave them the go ahead to fight back and retaliate against their oppressors but not to transgress because transgression is a sin.

2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

He asked them to kill and drive those people away from the places they have driven them from, their lands, houses etc

191 And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

God told them to stop, if those who fight and oppress them stop their aggression

192 And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

And he warned them that there should be no aggression except against the oppressors.

193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

After then Muslims were allowed to practice and worship freely, which encouraged those that never practiced due to the fear of oppression from non believers. Islam fought many wars after then too that had to do with self-defense and treason.

I can go on and on posting verses to prove this but I know it'll just be waste of time. I can even post verses that commanded Muslims to protect disbelievers during war when they seek for it and they should deliver them to safety even if those disbelievers refuse to convert. But your notions and mentality can never be changed because you are too proud to see and accept the truth.

Good explanation there though, only if they were true... You see I get this feeling whenever am arguing with a Muslim, that they are probably practicing taqiyya with me, because they never run out of lies, and they can defend anything.

You keep claiming Mohammed fought in mecca for self defense, and you claim Islam became the main religion of mecca through Allah, well that's a big lie, go tell that to those who easily forget events.. Mecca was made Islamic after Mohammed launched his religious wars forcing unbelievers to convert or die (if they won't pay taxes), unbelievers had to convert, run, or pay taxes in fear for their lives, and you are here claiming "Allah" did it..

OK, you still hold the notion that Mohammed always fought in self defense, what about the invasion of Jerusalem by Muslims ? Did the Jews come to mecca to kill islamists or was Jerusalem also Mohammed's land?

Muslims have always followed the instructions and lifestyle of Mohammed, the hijirah you keep talking about, isn't that the style of Muslims? Like how they take over any country they are allowed in..

Look at Iran, was Iran originally Islamic? Or did Allah make Iran Islamic??

One peculiar thing about Muslims is that they hold the notion "Islam will dominate the world", and the extreme ones will go to any limits, even suicide bombing themselves to see that that happens.. Just look at immigrants into London, who were pitied by the British government, they are now calling for sharia to be the order of the Land in London...

Islam is nothing but terrible!

Uthman, Osama, what about the Islamic leader that killed a writer for writing "the satanic verses" book, what about Muslims who went around killing people because Mohammed was displayed as a cartoon... That is how re.tarded Muslims can be, killing someone over a cartoon!!!!

If I should be the leader of any nation I'll see to it that the population of Muslims never gets much, because they have this notion.

When in few: We are the religion of peace, don't hate us.

When they are in moderate population: Sharia should be implemented.

When they are many: Islam or else...

If Islam is peaceful, why are it's followers violent?

Angel196:


Well can you please quote the verses that ordered the deaths of the infidels so well make step by step interpretation of it?

About Isis issue, haven't you heard about their Muslim victims? And don't tell me you haven't heard about bombs going off in mosques on Fridays during Jumuat prayer or during any prayer. If those called people are so called Muslims following the order of the Quran about killing infidels, I wonder if it also mentioned some where that infidels in did resided in the mosques during prayer times.

Quran 2:193 but remember that no hostility is allow except against the aggressors.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc).

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Angel196:


That shows your level of ignorance but please let me enlighten you.

You who knows the real history.....

Do you know that Muhammad was actually born and lived in mecca until the non believers aggressed and plotted to kill him and his followers which lead to his migration to Medina, termed hijirah?

After then, God ordered them to go and fight for their rights but not to transgress.

Q2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

191 And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah (aggression) is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

192 And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

But I'm sure you still won't accept it but no worries, I'm used to it.

Islam can't undergo reformation because we don't believe in adulteration and because we don't need it. That's why the Quran can't be changed like most holy books have been.

Yes, the lies you keep getting fed with.. Mohammed was born in mecca, but was mecca originally an Islamic nation? You claim he fought in mecca in self defense, if he did, why was he then forcing people to embrace his religion or pay taxes or be killed?

What about uthman Dan fodio? Was his conquest Islamic or selfish? And what Uthman did was exactly what Mohammed did, and in your own understanding and reasoning, it's called "self defense"

Angel196:
Naturally, it's easier for people to accept anything that tarnishes the image of what they don't like whether its true or false. So, I'm sure nothing is going to stop some people from seeing Islam as a religion of violence no matter what proof states otherwise.

Tell me, what proof is there of Islam being peaceful?

Isis killing unbelievers and throwing gays off roof, you guys will claim they are not real Muslims where in fact your "infallible" Quran ordered death to "infidels" and apostates...


The difference between a moderate Muslim and an extreme Muslim is that, the moderate Muslim wishes to see Islam dominate the world, and the extreme Muslim is actually working to see that Islam dominates the world...

Angel196:


Hmmm, I really don't know what to say, it's just so funny. Especially that last statement. So for a religion to be good and peaceful it has to be changed from the original to adulterated or I don't get that reformation part.

First of all, Do you know what Islam means?

The total submission to the will of God.

Muhammad pbuh wasn't the founder of Islam, God was. He named everyone who submits totally to His will Muslims. Muhammad pbuh was just a messenger and prophet.

You just stated your own version of Muhammad's pbuh history. He wasn't a mad man, he was a man ordered to defend and his people against aggressors. That's why there are war verses in the Quran and to my knowledge, even the bible has war verses, the fact that christians try to avoid and ignore those verses doesn't mean they don't exist. Moses too fought wars but he wasn't labelled a mad man.

Islam had to defend and fight to gain freedom from aggressors. And we all know violence in self defense is permitted and accepted even by God.

So you mean when Mohammed evaded mecca, he was evading it in self defense? Or the time he evaded Jerusalem, he did so in self defense? Or is it when he tried evading Europe and failed... Or did uthman Dan fodio also fought the Holy war in self defense??

Go practice your taqiyya(holy lie) with someone who doesn't know history, Islam can not undergo reformation and that is why it needs to be erased from the planet earth or with time, it will be the one erasing us!

All I need to know about Islam is it's set out rules and how it's leaders and followers behave, I don't care about anything more.. So let's examine Islam.

Who was the founder of Islam - Mohammed
Was Mohammed peaceful? - According to historical evidence, he was not, and he was nothing short of a psychopath.

The life of Mohammed and the origin of Islam in a nutshell

Islam originated in Mecca and Medina at the start of the 7th century. In 610 CE, Muhammad began receiving what Muslims consider to be divine revelations. He began Islam peacefully but his voice was not heard, people ignored him and his religion he then set out the part of a mad man, killing and coercing people to join his religion, he conquered mecca with the help of his followers , he then made the followers of other religions to pay taxes in order to be allowed to practice their religion.

He then went further to conquer Jerusalem because of his hate for the Jews which he felt unclean, this led to the establishment of the first crusades on a mission to take back Jerusalem... And so on..


Throughout the existence of Islam, the world has always felt how terrible that religion is and how retarded it's followers can be, all other religions has undergone reformation, but Islam is still what it is, an old age religion meant for cave men and people who have chosen to be retarded...


Don't come claiming Islam is peaceful when we've all felt it's effects.

I need you to answer this , not just boko haram, but the Holy war by uthman Dan fodio and the sokoto caliphate, was that Islamic or uthman Dan fodio acted based on selfish intentions?

Islam is no where close to peaceful Mr man..

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5. The stingy niggas

These ones usually win, but whenever you ask them for anything, they'll start telling you the story of their lives.. These people stingy for Africa! Before they give you anything, they'll be thinking like

4. The phone chargers crew

These people have no business with what is going on in the hall, they just come to charge their phones and disappear, these ones I call them the wise ones, although they can be jobless at times.