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Samantha124:
Nooo, you haven't told me the reason why you guys can't stay away from backdoor abortions since abortion in general is iilegal in your country.

Since you guys are law abiding citizens, why can't you stay away from illegal abortions?

Madam I said maybe because it is only killing 0.001 percent of Nigerians which makes it negligible

But the amount of people dying from HIV in your country is more than times two of the amount of people dying of abortion in Nigeria considering the fact that you guys are low in population. So why are you guys not abiding by that law of not spreading HIV that keeps killing you guys year in year out? This question is begging and dying to get an answer from you.

shantti:
Na so e dey happen for movie oh, Samantha127 might end up marrying bencarrey. Both of u need to get a room

This one go dey too argue with me if i marry am. Na her type go wan make sure their own say stands,

I don dey notice her if i dey read comments most times, whenever anyone quotes her about something, No matter the amount of people thatt quotes her she go make sure she responds to all of them with some reasons wey no dy genuine and she go dey feel like say she sabi reply people or shut them up, Na why i dey take my time reply her be that. Every body get response but na home training dey keep us but if you show say u get chinchin for head, we go reveal our true self to you. I've never argue this long since 10yrs ago i joined this forum.

Samantha124:
But that doesn't change the fact that it is illegal in your country, why can't you abide by the law the same way you abide other laws.

It may not kill many, but it damages those women's wombs.

Madam save yourself all these stories and answer my question, afterall, I have answered yours. Just answer the question. Simple.

Samantha124:
Lol..But I asked you a question first and you didn't answer.

If you can protect yourselves from HIV, why can't you protect yourselves from illegal abortions... Answer that one first.

Well maybe because it's only killing a very very very small amount of Nigerians 0.001 which makes it negligible. Now you answer my question. why the spread Even though it's killing you in large numbers .

Samantha124:
Most of your men are doing crimes here... Go and watch a show called Sizokuthola and you'll see what I mean.

Then have you asked yourself why your country keeps taking them in every year. Why haven't they ban them if all they do is crime? The reason is there must sure be something good about them that is way more than the crime they are commiting

Samantha124:
We're not having illegal abortions because abortion is legal in SA and women and girls are free to go to any hospital to do it safely.

Our reasons are not the same, so answer my question Sir..

Young lady you did not answer the question. I am not asking you about abortion, all I ask is about HIV. Why can't u guys abide by law and stop spreading it when it kills you year in year out? I'm asking again. This time read carefully.

Samantha124:
I said check the kind of SA women your brothers are attracted to when they get here in SA... They only go for wasted street girls and end up settling down with them, the kind of girls no SA man would want to settle down with.

But what can we say? They're doing the Lord's work by cleaning all the dirt from the streets of SA..

Then if that is the case, why did your good men that cannot settle down with your street girls declare attack on nigeran men, after all they are cleaning up the street. Why are they so pained to their bone marrow. I guess they're after the street girls too

Samantha124:
You haven't answered my question Sir.

The answer to your question lies in whatever reason(s) you give as to why you guys that are law abiding and not having illegal abortions, can't abide by same law and protect yourself from spreading HIV like body spray, when it keeps killing you guys in large proportion year in year out?

Samantha124:
As for SA ladies, they only want your money... Go check for the kind of SA women your brothers go for when they come here and you'll see what I mean...

But apart from that, you guys just can't live without us, every year you'll be coming to the same HIV infested country that you claim you're protecting yourselves from in Nigeria...

I remember when Air Peace came to fetch Nigerians free of charge back in 2019, most of them didn't leave...

Are you trying to say south African girls are lazy sets of that can work for their money, But depends on foreigners to feed them? or perhaps, in another angle, South African men are so stingy that they don't spend well for their ladies, Lastly maybe you are trying to tell me south african men are so poor that can't spend on their ladies the way Nigerians do?

Same way Dstv, MTN and the likes are still here despite the threat against them during the xenophobic attack

Samantha124:
I find it funny that you're not spreading HIV like body spray, but you're doing illegal abortions like you're slaughtering chickens.

If you can protect yourselves from HIV, then what's stopping you guys from protecting yourselves from illegal abortions when they have the most severe consequences?

If You guys abide by the law and not having illegal abortions, why can't you abide by same law and protect yourself from spreading HIV like body spray, when it keeps killing you guys in large proportion year in year out. Afterall the abortion we are doing is not killing us in large proportion compared to how HIV is killing you guys in large proportion. if abortion is killing 30000 people in nigeria every year out of over 200million people, that is like around 0.6 percentage of the population, Compare that to over 50000 people dying every year out of your country's population i guess the figure will be more than ours. Do the math. At least you should know how to calculate per centage.

Samantha124:
Then it means you guys are breaking two laws in Nigeria...

It seems like breaking the law is a hobby there.

we are not spreading HIV like body spray here in Nigeria compared to your country. So we are not breaking two laws ma. Meanwhile your law keeping country keeps killing each other with the so called virus. I wonder what kind of law you guys keep then.

Nigerians coming to south Africa to marry your girls, maybe they are the ignorant once we have here and we are happy they've moved to a country that inhabits people like them. On a second thought why are yours girls agreeing to marry them?. I think its because they are scared of marrying their South African counterpart, and when South African men sees how good they are doing, they were jealous and started xenophobic.
I know you're stubborn but then.....

Samantha124:
Yet Nigerian men keep coming to SA and some marry SA ladies..🤣🤣🤣

You can try to sugarcoat it anyway you like but the the bottom line is that discrimination is discrimination.

Well if the discrimination has been helpful to protect us, then we love it here and those affected aren't complaining.

Samantha124:
You're the one who brought it up, so the burden of proof is on you.

Prove it.

https://www.hivjustice.net/news/nigeria-senate-passes-law-criminalising-hiv-non-disclosure-exposure-and-transmission-with-vague-and-overly-broad-statutes-in-the-sexual-offences-bill/
At least u can read, I don't have to do that for you

Samantha124:
You haven't showed me any section from the constitution.

you can read it up online yourself. It's there. Not just in Nigeria only but all over the world.

Samantha124:
Lol... I asked first... Show me a section from the constitution that states that spreading HIV is illegal.

And remember that things that are not stated in the constitution to be illegal are automatically legal.

Then why don't u declare HIV spreading spree and let's see the trophy you'll get for it. Only God knows how many years behind the bars.

Samantha124:
But you still discriminate them from getting other jobs.

Discrimination is discrimination.

Then I doubt if u know what discrimination is, in the first place. We are denying not them jobs because we don't want them in our society, or because we don't want to have anything to do with them, we are still friends with them and do things with them, but if some their activities will become a threat to other innocent people we deny them the activities. Simple it's not to hard to understand now.
By the way it has been helpful to us, you guys that sees prevention as discriminating u keep sharing it and it keeps killing you guys. Do you want us to adopt that method so that many people can die?

Talking about discriminating in the whole of Africa your county was/is known for apartheid related stuff. I know it's still happens but not much as before and you're here talking about discrimination? Save yourself that effort please

Samantha124:
Tell me a section from the constitution that states that HIV is illegal.

And again, which section from your constitution does it states that it's not illegal to have backdoor consensual abortion?

By comparing HIV with illegal abortions, you're basically saying it's a crime because you can't compare something that is not a crime with something that's regarded as a crime.

It's like comparing a murder with someone who killed a scorpion.

Young Lady I just said Having HIV is legal, spreading it is not,and spreading it is what we have been talking about not having it. Show me one section that says spreading HIV is legal also

Samantha124:
That's discrimination, how will the person afford his or her treatment since it's not free in Nigeria?

That's why they don't live long in your country, you deny them certain employments instead of employing them and focus on dealing with the increase in the illegal abortion rates happening in Nigeria.

Did u pretend to see the part i said "but that does not mean we do not offer them another type of job that pays better" or you forgot you read something like that when you're typing your response. Someone with HIV cannot be denied the job of a graphic designer, software engineers teaching and the likes, most times it is all these factory workers and house-maid that gets denied this job due to their status.

Samantha124:
Every country has irresponsible people and I repeat, having HIV is not illegal... Whether 1000 000 people die, it's still not illegal... You guys are breaking the law in your country... You're supporting illegal abortions the same way you support yahoo yahoo.

You can't compare HIV with something that's regarded as murder in your country, you're murderers.

How will you have a record of abortion deaths when they're being done in backdoors?

And Nigeria is known to be very poor in keeping records, I've learned that from nairalanders here on nairaland.

Spreading HIV is illegal and I repeat spreading HIV is illegal and that is what you people do in your country and keep killing yourself with it, but you're here defending it with your life. Whether 1million people dies of abortion or we do it back door also, it not illegal to have consensual abortion.
If every country has irresponsible, then does that not mean your country has more compared to Nigeria? considering the fact you guys are not even large in numbers. Give us some credit baby

By the way, you keep talking about having HIV, i never said it was a crime, but all i've been talking about, which is the genesis of this argument right from the start is SPREADING IT!, which is what you people do.

Samantha124:
So in other words, you'll be curbing the spread of HIV by refusing to give those HIV positive people who take good care of themselves certain employments?

Yes if need be, but that does not mean we do not offer them another type of job that pays better

Stoicful:
Back then drugs that cure HIV/Aids isn't much around back then and now people are now seeing the light in weed. Weed cures everything even .....

So does that mean people don't die of it now? keep deceiving yourself

Samantha124:
Last time I checked, we were talking about SA and Nigeria, not American.

Dude, those people that you mentioned died in the 90s when a lot of people were still in denial of the illness, that's what also killed Fela Kuti, denialism of the existence of HIV/AIDS.

The same way some people didn't believe that covid19 was real.

Yes if u talked about fela, i agree that we don't have enough health care system, so if he dies it is fine. But you guys claimed to have a good health care system but every year more than 50,000 keeps dying from the so called country that has good health care system with lower population compared to Nigeria that has more population. According to you Nigeria lacks good health care system but they still have lower HIV/AIDS death. Are you guys not suppose to be shameful?

Also according to you Nigeria has higher abortion rate but we do not have a record of abortion death rate compared to your own country's HIV/AID's death rate even with your do called good health care system.

Samantha124:
So far I don't know any law that stipulates that people who spread HIV should be arrested, maybe in Nigeria you guys have that kind of law in your constitution... And don't forget that it takes two to tango, it's the responsibility of everyone to have safe sex.

Maybe in Nigeria 10 out of 20 people die because they don't have easy access to the HIV treatment and have to pay for it... Like I said, you're judging everything with your wayward Nigerian mentality, but in my country we're not like that... People with HIV live longer into old age.

Those who die are the irresponsible ones and you know that every irresponsibility comes with consequences, whether you're HIV or not.

Whether the spreading is intentional or not, it doesn't change the fact that abortion is illegal in your country, your ladies keep doing it in numbers and you guys are supporting it, but immediately they start struggling to conceive, you run away from them and bash them...

Then you do not know anything about law as regards your first statement. Hence, i see the reason why all i have been saying has been difficult for u to understand.

South Africa does not have a standard health care compared to america. Eazy E, Freddie Mercury and the likes of them were very rich famous and they can any kind of treatment but guess what killed them, HIV. Would you say they were ignorant or they can't afford a good health care system? So girl, it has nothing to do with healthcare or not. Many rich people in your country still dies of it.

Samantha124:
You comparing covid19 with HIV is the same way as comparing flu with HIV.

HIV is not contagious like covid19, in case you don't know.

See how ignorant you are?🤣🤣🤣

Young lady you are the ignorant one here, i am not comparing them in terms of how it can be contacted, i am comparing them in term of curbing and prevention. If a country decided to take a proper measure to curb a spread of a particular disease, it is not discrimination it is called curbing. You can use your phone to google that.

Samantha124:
Whether it's consensual or not, it's still illegal in your country because it's regarded as murder, get it into your thick skull... ... You can't keep comparing something that's not illegal to something that's illegal, even in your country HIV is not illegal.

The problem with you is that you're judging everything with your wayward Nigerian mentality... People here don't get discriminated because of their HIV statuses when applying for jobs, that kind of a thing would only suit your country Nigeria whereby you guys still like stigmatizing people for having certain conditions.

What about those unfortunate young women who also later die from complications caused by those illegal abortions

We are not trying to discriminate we are just trying to curb it's spread for a better tomorrow. When corona hits the world people were being asked to stay apart from each other, every country requires a thorough corona screening before they allow you into their country and if you fail, you wll not be given access into their country. Would you then say the whole world was discriminating? Afterall, corona when detected on time is not deadly too.
It is not discriminating it is called curbing, If you don't know, now you know.

Samantha124:
Whether it's consensual or not, it's still illegal in your country because it's regarded as murder, get it into your thick skull... ... You can't keep comparing something that's not illegal to something that's illegal, even in your country HIV is not illegal.

The problem with you is that you're judging everything with your wayward Nigerian mentality... People here don't get discriminated because of their HIV statuses when applying for jobs, that kind of a thing would only suit your country Nigeria whereby you guys still like stigmatizing people for having certain conditions.

What about those unfortunate young women who also later die from complications caused by those illegal abortions

You will be big liar if you come here to tell me spreading of HIV intentionally amongst you guys is legal as well, because if i have HIV and i go ahead to allow innocent people to have sex with me or in the case of a guy; i go into the street to start having sex with innocent girls. What can we likened that to? Is it not synonymous to a criminal case? Or you want to tell me you guys give trophy to such people in your country?

If you are talking about illegal abortion, i am talking about intentional spreading of HIV too. Mind you if we are to do the ratio of people dying from abortion to people surviving it, the ratio is like 2:20. Can the same thing be said about HIV? 10 out 20 people that has it eventually dies of it.

Spreading of HIV intentionally like you guys do in my country is 100% illegal and in your country you can declare HIV spreading spree one day and see if you will get award for it or be detained.

Samantha124:
So far there's no law that stipulates that spreading HIV is a criminal offence, I've never heard of someone being arrested for it.

Illegal abortion is the worst thing that could happen to a person because most of them don't turn out to be successful and as a result, the woman will end up with a damaged womb.

I've only seen stories here on nairaland of girls doing multiple abortions for their boyfriends, not because of rape.

No law would grant her any legal adoption and surrogacy can be expensive, not everyone can afford it, but ARVs are free of charge.

The truth hurts, so I understand what you mean... You'd do anything to defend your country even though you know it's the truth.

So in your warped myopic mind people that do abortions doesn't turn out to be successful.

And who told u, managing HIV is free, you must be joking . You're definitely not as educated on the disease as you think you are. Do u know how much viral load is test cost? This test monitors the rate of the load of the virus and you CD4 count test and all. So in your country, what they tell u is that if u have HIV, you can be taking ARV only, no wonder it keeps spreading .
Does it even make sense to you that you are taking drugs to treat something and you are not monitoring the thing to see if it is working fine or not?. The test is f*cking expensive, what about other drugs you will take combined with ARV?
Surrogacy is just a one time thing and that is all, but HIV you keep spending money to monitor it for the rest of your lives. do not also forget you might be applying for a particular kind of jobs and once you run a test that shows you are positive, you might be unfit for the job, isn't that a setback?, but it is absurd for a company to ask you for womb check when taking up a job.

Also please tell me when last someone was arrested for consensual abortion. Also abortion you are talking about here is in it's worst case, for it to have damaged the womb, once or twice abortion doesn't mean you cannot conceive again. If we are to talk about HIV in it's worst case is not only womb damage but the entire body damage which is AIDS. So you want to tell someone with AIDS is better than someone with womb damage or what are you saying Miss Lady? Unless you want to cap.

I am not defending but telling you the facts. Talk of abortion in it's worst case scenario it is better and less than HIV in its worst case scenario. it is a fact.

shege45:
na brand of semovita

Samantha124:
The bottom line is that we're not committing any criminal offence, but you guys are and it seems like you're even supporting it.

According to the Nigerian law, abortion is the same thing as murder, hence it's illegal.

I don't support those irresponsible people who go around spreading HIV, but it can still be manageable and the person can still live a normal life without paying a dime, but we can't say the same thing with a damaged womb.

So you think if someone has HIV and decided to be spreading it, if such person got caught it is not a criminal offence? they will leave him to go out and keep spreading it?

Same way i do not support abortion, but your statement made it seems it is worst thing that can happen to someone. People abort pregnancy due to rape incident. I have never aborted before and never will but you can't just come and say stuff about my country and expect it to go down well with people. NEVER

Samantha124:
It's the most populated country because you guys have baby factories... Girls get abducted and turned into baby making factories under duress.

You know very well that no law would grant you any legal adoption after committing illegal abortions, so you end up doing back door adoptions, the same way you do illegal abortions.

And for your information, Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa and not in the world.

As for HIV, not that I'm encouraging it, but why be scared of something that's not a death sentence? And why have so many children only for them to end up begging for food down the street

Are you telling me that you're proud of your country for having so many uneducated and hungry kids begging strangers for food just to survive?

The world thing was a mistake, I meant Africa.

So this abducted girls are they from your country? Aren't they Nigerians? This means Nigerians are still productive and doesn't have so much damaged wombs are u claimed. For your information Nigeria has being populous way before chibok girls abduction and no one has used used them for baby factories. I know you are not talking from facts anyways, you are talking based on biasness.

Are you telling me that you're proud of your country for having so many uneducated and hungry kids begging strangers for food just to survive?[/quote]Madam don't try to digress from the topic, we are talking about damaged womb, which has a lot to do with reproduction not about how people feed themselves. If it is so bad as you have claimed we should not investors from your country coming here to Nigeria to do business now?

Samantha124:
If a 3 year old child can be taught how to read and write at that age, then you can also teach him or her about HIV if one of his or her parents is HIV positive... But if you feel he or she is still too young, then you can wait until he or she is 5 years old.

The problem with you Nigerians is that you're not educated much about HIV and you still see it as a death sentence, because if you were educated about it, you'd know that if an HIV person takes his or her treatment accordingly and eats healthy, then he or she would reach that stage whereby the virus is undetectable... And as long as the virus is undetectable, then he or she can't pass it to another person even if the person gets exposed to that HIV positive person.

It's only irresponsible people who go around infecting others with HIV, the same way as those irresponsible ladies that decide to have unprotected sex and end up doing illegal abortions.

And you're missing something here, abortion in Nigeria is illegal, and something that's is illegal is considered to be a criminal offence by the law.. So those women who are going for those illegal abortions along with those people who are conducting those abortions are breaking the law.

No professional social worker would grant someone who has broken the country's laws adoption, unless that social worker is corrupt... Keep in mind that we're talking about your country whereby abortion is illegal.

And the reason why HIV is never considered to be a criminal offence is because it's an illness and we don't normally assume that everyone is HIV positive on a daily basis, but we all assume that everyone is fertile... So immediately you decide to have an unprotected sex, the first thing that should come to your mind as a girl is that "I could get pregnant", you don't think about HIV.


Personally I don't believe that a person can be pregnant by a mistake when they both consented to have an unprotected sex.

And with surrogacy, there must also be a contractual agreement that is legally binding between the couple and the surrogate, in case the surrogate decides to change her mind and keep the baby.

Like I said, if he's a responsible man and he takes good care of himself to a point that he's undetectable, then yes, I will be with him... Remember that we all have a past and just because he's HIV positive, it doesn't mean he can't have an HIV negative family of his own... If he's still at that stage whereby he's still struggling to accept himself, then I'll try to help him where I can... HIV is not a death sentence.

And the problem with you guys is that with all your education concerning HIV, You guys guys still choose to be ignorant about it and keeps spreading it, while Nigerians that are less educative with such high amount of population are able to curb it's spread. Aren't you guys suppose to give us some respect?

Personally I don't believe that a person can be pregnant by a mistake when they both consented to have an unprotected sex.[/quote]Personally I also believe nobody, with the level of awareness going on for HIV, nobody should be have it by mistake too. My dear you cannot condemn anyone of it, don't make it seems like HIV in your country is better than whatever is going on in Nigeria, Rest please.

If all these things you listed about educating them young having first aid box and bla bla bla is put into use in South Africa you guys should be free by now, it is only good to say not good to practice

Samantha124:
And the same thing would apply with you Nigerians, you would pay a lot of money for surrogacy because the woman has a damaged womb from doing illegal abortions, only for the couple to have a daughter that'll grow up and do illegal abortions and have a damaged womb like her mother since abortion is like a normal thing to do there even though it's illegal...

Now who gets to suffer the consequences more? Is it the HIV one or the one with a damaged womb?

And this country that has the highest number of damaged wombs is still the most populated country in the world. Isn't that amazing?, how come south africa that has least damaged womb fall short?. I guess HIV is really really a great threat compared to a damaged womb perhaps many of them are scared to marry each other because of this so called disease.