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Blabbermouth:
1. What REE LOA DED said was Messi isn't the GOAT and it should be sm1 else . I asked him who? and he mentioned cr7 {because he won with club and country} . Then I showed him better pple that won with club and country, who should have been called GOAT.
2. Do u knw why this argument continue to abound?? Your basis of deciding the GOAT is skewed to support your claim. While Messians too would skew the GOAT determinant to support messi.
3. on what basis do u CR7 fan think the GOAT status should be judged by??
PS: don't tell me shit abt winning with club and country, I could mention 100 other players
4.Football is an 11 man In a team game. and any body useful or useless could lay claim that he won this trophy or that trophy.
The only reasonable way to judge a player's greatness is by what he himself did or had achieved in service.
We usually use ballon d'or until messi was leading 4-1 b4 u all started shouting foul!!! {we understand ur love 4 a player, but dont be bias}
5. By individual greatness tell me a single player greater than Messi, both past or present. {do u now understand why he is called the GOAT}

Maradona is light years ahead of Messi individually... Pele is the Ronaldo of today when it comes to playing style but maradona is Messi of today... But maradona individually floors Messi...

Maradona used different set of teams for both club and country to achieve greatness... The moment xavi and iniesta left barca , Messi could not take Barca to the final of CL again till date... Winning la Liga continuesly can't b a determinant for the title goat... Spanish league is like the Italian league or German league or French league... Let him join real Madrid and Ronaldo Barca and let me know how many titles he will b able to win

Seems like Mikel slobi was the one slowing us down.

ifyalways:
Game over.

Second goal for CMR

Akpeyi is a basket and useless.

U can't blame the keeper... The defence is exposing him..they exposed him for both goals

Nukilia:
@ the bolded, you mean in Nigeria?

Nope...here in US

What of trade fair...heard it's the biggest in West Africa and foreigners come there to buy goods

Women love doing this home and abroad... Women here hire contract killers to kill their husbands more than the other way round

It wasn't the same but u took pics inside it

Blabbermouth:
U are the one taking it down this lane. So tell me d one mourinho produced.
2. why were u mentioning those they coached b4??.
God bless Guardiola for me.
He shut all of u up

Mourinho produced deco , turned milito to one of the most feared strikers at that time ... Turned lampard from average to world class ... Duff and robben... Ricardo cavahlio ... Under him John Terry became world class... Peter cech ...

Blabbermouth:
Xavi has won for club and country
Zidane has won for club and country
Pirlo has won for club and country.
This people according to ur method of judgement. Deserve the GOAT title , Not Ronaldo

We are comparing Ronaldo and Messi , not those names mentioned above... Is it that u guys have a problem processing facts and opinions??

Jeferious:
Hmmmmm.....https://www.google.com/amp/www.sportbible.com/football/rivalries-stats-messi-has-a-better-record-against-fifas-top-50-than-ronaldo-20190619.amp.html

And for calling me a liar directly, I'm done with you....till your knowledge of football has improved considerably

U just posted crap... U still dint show any proof... besides, we are talking about competitive games and not friendlies... Messi has never scored a top European side or Brazil in any competition in his career

Jeferious:
Please dear, I might not do this with you again. I had to go out of my way to bring in stat into the argument just to prove what I said before. I will never try such again.

If you cannot appeal to me using logic in defending your arguments about who the GOAT is, then we are as good as done. Besides, I'm saying for the third time since I joined this debate: compare the Portuguese Ronaldo with those icons I mentioned earlier.

U just posted nonsense...no source, no back up... It might HV been u or anybody that created that crap... anyone can do it with even a phone

Excaperx:
what's there to jealous about the guy whose only achievement is scoring tap in and penalty?.

Let ur Messi score the tap ins and Penalty first to claim national title... It's like comparing someone that has flown overseas with economy many times and has achieved alot overseas and another business rival will keep telling u that he has never flown overseas cos he can only enter first class that he can't afford... Just imagine how dull these Messi fans are... Score tap ins, it counts same as scoring spectacular... Those tap ins they downgrade might have won Messi an international trophy or two... When they both retire, no one will remember tap ins but titles won

If those tap ins were so easy, then y can't defenders stop him from tapping in or if penalty was that easy , Messi world not have blown his spot kick to mars when he played in his last national final... That penalty loss cost them the title

jstbeinhonest:
2011 Pedro? Lmao, youre a joke. You obviously dont know what a winning goal means. The amount of fake facts and rubbish you have been typing should have been a red light.

Pls tell me what a winning goal is??

Messi scored the first, Wayne Rooney equalised, Pedro scored the winning goal b4 villa sealed victory... So tell me how Messi scored the winning goal??

Jeferious:
Again, you bring up stats. Stats about goals. How many times do you need to be reminded before you understand that stats don't do justice to the argument at hand?

You even shot yourself in the foot with those stats. How many of those goals were scored against FIFA high-ranking nations? There's a stat describing that Messi was better than Ronaldo when it comes to scoring against high-ranking nations when the both are on national duty. But I'm not interested in the stats. I'm interested in real, live contribution to football. I'm interested in the full 90 minutes, not match summaries, highlights or statistics.

I can bring up stats that favour Messi over Ronaldo...but I'm not that kind of pundit. And besides, have you tried comparing the kind Ronaldo with Maradona and the other super-greats I mentioned? I might not argue with you again till you've done so.

All these fans that want to enthrone their favorite player to the "Iron throne" of the game through the backdoor.

Pls prove to us whr it's written that Messi scores high ranking nations...

In FIFA competitions... In the world cup Messi has only scored Serbia, Nigeria, Iran, Bosnia..that's all ...Messi has never scored Brazil in any competition... Other teams in South America or north America are not standard teams... Europe has the highest number of competitive teams in football... Messi has never scored a former world champion in his career ( in a competitive game)

Ronaldo has scored in FIFA or uefa competitions against Spain hat trick, Netherlands twice euro 2004 and 2016 a brace, Belgium twice, Czech Republic 2ice, Croatia.... He even scored against Messis Argentina in a 1.1 draw friendly

Show us messis stats ... He only scores against low ranking teams mentioned above, u can add Mexico, Panama Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Trinidad and Tobago and of cause Nicaragua that won him his first enforced title of beating them .useless teams

jstbeinhonest:
Who scored the winning goals 2009 & 2011 finals respectively?

09 eto... 2011 Pedro... Messi only ensured victory

jstbeinhonest:
You are calling someone delusional while giving wrong information. Messi scored the 'winning goal' in 2011.

Lol...b4 u show ignorance... kindly Google first

Jeferious:
In a football team, there are eleven players: defenders, midfielders and strikers. They all have obligations to fulfill in each match, according to the positions they occupy on the pitch. It's just a pity that the media is excessively focused on forwards. Those who score the goals have the spotlight focused on them, while all others who contribute to every other facet of the game apart from goalscoring are largely ignored. For the first time since 2006, FIFA is appreciating that football is bigger than scoring goals. We saw it last year when Modric won the Ballon d'or, and it could also happen this year if Van Dijk wins it too.

Secondly, Portugal is not a lowly team. Rui Patricio is a brilliant goalkeeper. Pepe, Jose Fonte and Bruno Alves are all world-class centre-backs. Raphael Guerrero is doing well at Dortmund Borrusia. Cedric is average, but his game is really improving. William Carlvaho is the brain behind Real Betis dominating Barcelona in terms of ball possession this season. I would put him in the same class with Sergio Busquets. A veritable midfield boss. Andre Gomes, Joao Moutinho, Renato Sanches are not bad players. Goncalo Guides was outstanding for Valencia this past season. What would I say about Bernardo Silva, or Quaresma? My dear, Portugal is a fairly good team, and Ronaldo has great teammates surrounding him in his national side. Besides the team has a great coach who has been more than able to coordinate that team.

Messi is obviously a better individual player than Ronaldo, though I must confess that Ronaldo is far more ambitious. The former relies mainly on his talent and technical genius too much- he is too laidback for my liking. However, if he had teammates who supplied what he lacked as a player, he would have with their help won something with Argentina. But his teammates don't help matters. They rely on him too much... obviously they fail to recognize that he's just a "laidback" genius who has nothing else to offer than talent and immense technical abilities.

But still at that, Messi is better than Ronaldo or any other player in history. The GOAT title was originally meant for him. Ronaldo's fans stole the title because they thought their icon is giving the Argentine a run for his money. Of course, they would always supply useless stats to prove a futile point. But Messi is that kind of player that whatever stats you supply in his favour would not do justice to what he has contributed to the game. A laidback genius quite alright, but a pure genius. 100% genius.

Of course, I expect dissent to my opinion. I expect to see some express that the Portuguese Ronaldo is the rightful GOAT. No problem. Just conduct my little experiment of taking Messi out of the picture, and compare the Portuguese Ronaldo with Maradona, De Lima, Zidane, Pele, Rivaldo. You'd see the stupidity in that claim with your own eyes.

U say messis team mates ar not helpful like he plays for some Bosnia or Cameroon ... Now learn from the stats below... And tell me Hu has his team t contributing more

Blabbermouth:
1. what treble did mourinho do?
2. U said Guardiola picked teams that were used to winning league titles, but isn't that what Ronaldo had been doing {yet u called Messians ,biased fans}
3. Barcelona continued their dominance bcus they followed Guardiola's philosophy .
4. Mourinho sent Guardiola to sabbatical leave? you must be ignorant. 09,10 and '11 which mourinho was present, Guardiola triumphed . He sent world class players away and put his Philosophy in his youngsters. Any team Guardiola touches they become mighty, his players become world class, U are sounding as if na players they give Guardiola trophy. Its his philosophy, his strategy, his tactic.
5. Which back to back did mourinho do? (b4 Guardiola's own was Ferguson}
6. When was the last time mourinho win a trophy
7. No manager in the world, I repeat no manager in the world has /had amazed Guardiola's achievement.
All mourinho's record u stated there was none, Guardiola doesn't have {in fact, his were better}

I even tot I was even arguing with an informed analyst... I dint even know u don't even know anything apart from Barca and Messi... That's the reason y u are not well informed...

So u don't know mourinho did back to back with Chelsea , inter Milan and Porto in his first seasons there... So u don't know he won treble with Porto twice and once with inter..
Frank rijkaard was the person that set up Barca and not guadiola for ur info

I'm done with u...tot I was even arguing with someone that knows football eni4real is even way more informed than u ...just that he is biased...and I understand as a fan

B4 nko... Even if ur dad owns the company, u must go for interview to fulfill all righteousness... U can't mv me with this

Blabbermouth:
I don't give 2 Bleep concerning where he won champions league. My own is, he won 2 UCL.
Guardiola won league title {back to back , FYI} at Spain, Germany and England.
100 point (the highest) to win Premier League (ur so-hyped numero 1 league).
All 6 club trophies winable in his first season as senior manager.
Treble winning Barcelona 2009.
2010 top 3 ballon d'or nominees were players under Guardiola.
The fourmidable mancity ; He won all winnable trophies that a club could win within England premier league.
Let's stop at that.
It's nice for u to truly admit Guardiola is better and greater than mourinho.
This is exactly how I would have/ will shut u up when messi clinch an international trophy

Pls don't mention 2010...that was fake, as long as snijder dint feature, that award was fake.... Pls whats the difference between snijder 2010 and Messi 2014 / modric 2018... They all got to the final of the WC and lost ... Snijder was top scorer and won the highest number of motm in that WC, won the treble with inter Milan but Messi won balon d'Or and snijder wasn't nominated... That's to show u hw Messi is always favoured

Blabbermouth:
I don't give 2 Bleep concerning where he won champions league. My own is, he won 2 UCL.
Guardiola won league title {back to back , FYI} at Spain, Germany and England.
100 point (the highest) to win Premier League (ur so-hyped numero 1 league).
All 6 club trophies winable in his first season as senior manager.
Treble winning Barcelona 2009.
2010 top 3 ballon d'or nominees were players under Guardiola.
The fourmidable mancity ; He won all winnable trophies that a club could win within England premier league.
Let's stop at that.
It's nice for u to truly admit Guardiola is better and greater than mourinho.
This is exactly how I would have/ will shut u up when messi clinch an international trophy

But mourinho also did the treble with Inter and Porto... Guadiola took up teams that were already used to winning league titles... Guadiola left but Barca still winning la Liga.. he also left Bayern and they are still winning bundesliga like they used to b4 he arrived... Man city were 2time champs within space of 3yrs with two different managers... Chelsea had never won the premier League till mourinho broke the arsenal man utd dominance and did it back to back , also accumulated the highest points ever as of then 95 points... So what u saying

Mourinho came to Spain and also broke the Barca dominance ... Barca won 09,10,11 b4 mourinho knocked guadiolas Barca in his second season and accumulated the first 100 points ever in la Liga , thereby sending guadiola into sabbatical leave

Blabbermouth:
it is either u don't watch matches or u don't know what to watch when viewing football ball.
Messi scored the goal that sealed up the match at UCL '09.
Messi was the man that created villa's goal. It got to another Barcelona player b4 getting to villa's foot. u weren't aware of messi's influence bcus it wasn't in stat that Messi made the assist (when u quickly browsed out the summary of the match). And chance created is scarcely recorded in match stats.
Let me tell u 2 things u need to know
1. Goals and assist isn't the only shiit in a football game {messi and iniesta were decisive at UCL 2015 despite not recording a goal}.

2. U need to start watching live matches nowadays to compliment ur zeal for football. If u keeping updating urself with stats and match summary, u wouldnt know who played really well or who did bad despite recording a goal.
{that's exactly why I don't pack stats when debating abt smtin and prefer using logic with u}

U just put another biased trash... Which one is Messi passed the ball to the person that passed to villa?? U guys are not well and u don't know it... Goodbye

Blabbermouth:
UCL finale match is the biggest game on club level.
Madrid were leading 3-1 b4 Ronaldo scored, chances of comeback is slim. Ramos was the MOTM (2014)
He couldn't score till the match was dragged to penalty. why does he have to be the one for the last play, he was forcing glory. (2016)
Ronaldo 2018 did score a single goal, and remember when he doesn't score he is as good as useless.

Messi was Fan MOTM in '09 with a goal that sealed victory

Messi was uefa and fan MOTM 2011 he gave Barcelona the lead goal
if u did watch the 2011 final match, can you explain how Villa scored his third goal??
Like my fellow messian would say;
Hate responsibly!!

Then we can as well say Messi was useless in 2015 final cos he neither score nor assisted...

Now talking about penalty, saying he wanted to take glory... Y dint ur Messi take glory Vs Chile .... He blew his spot kick over to planet Mars... And started crying like a baby... U think it's easy to score penalty... Y dint John Terry score the final kick that wud hv won Chelsea the trophy??

Ronaldo was motm in the final of 2016 and 2017

Blabbermouth:
"but on record mourinho had achieved more"
LMAO
pls state what mourinho achieved oooo

Two CL titles with 2 different clubs Porto and inter... These are teams that having won CL since it's new era.... League titles in Portugal, Spain and England ... Mourinho has won every major trophy in history of club football... Now tell me about guadiola

dayveed1:
Lol mention one thing in this life that it isn't about MONEY..

U too hv that same problem so as many black people and that's y we are underdeveloped... If u hang out with white dudes , u will understand better... Those men that are billionaire, the tech gurus dint do it for money, they did it for name as in they wanna go down in history as creators and Inventors... Innovative is ideal for the white man... U don't c them flaunt wealth cos that ain't the key for them... That's y u see them donate heavily to charity and will out most of their wealth to charity... For a white man, so long as he can afford all he needs, he is ok...

Blabbermouth:
1. which one is 3 major leagues??
2. Messi is a better player than anybody the guy u quoted mentioned
3. Some Messians blived bcus messi is the best player the world has ever seen, so he deserve the title.
So on what basis have u called Ronaldo a GOAT??
{now don't tell me, the "he conquered on different league" story tho, others DAT did it b4 him had gone into oblivion}
4. Between mourinho and guardiola, who do u consider a better and greater coach??

The three biggest leagues in Europe are the English league ( he conquered) Spanish league ( he conquered) Italian league ( also conquered) he is the first and only man to conquer the 3 biggest leagues in Europe....no one has ever done that...

Guadiola is a better coach presently cos he has proved himself outside Barca...
But mourinho on record has achieved more ... The only reason y we can say guadiola is better is because mourinho hasn't performed or won a major title in over 4 yrs now ... Ronaldo and Messi is a different case , cos they are still performing, non has dropped form...

Blabbermouth:
Busting ur ignorant bubbles. Ronaldo wasn't decisive in UCL 2014, UCL 2016 and UCL 2018 finale. I.e 3 out of 5
The world needed him most at UCL 2014 final, he couldn't deliver until ramos scored a header in the last breathe of the game.
Well I knew all these, bcus I watch matches rather than base my judgement and opinion on stats

Then u can also say Messi has never delivered as well cos it was eto that scored the winning goal in 09 , Messi scored to seal the win...Ramos scored as well , but Ronaldo scored to seal the win in 2014... In 2016 , Ronaldo scored the decisive penalty to lift the cup , so he was decisive as well... In 08 , he scored the opener against Chelsea , that was a crucial goal as well cos if he didn't, Chelsea would hv scored the only goal of that game

Black man mentality... always think everything in life is all about money...

Blabbermouth:
it is either u don't watch matches or u don't know what to watch when viewing football ball.
Messi scored the goal that sealed up the match at UCL '09.
Messi was the man that created villa's goal. It got to another Barcelona player b4 getting to villa's foot. u weren't aware of messi's influence bcus it wasn't in stat that Messi made the assist (when u quickly browsed out the summary of the match). And chance created is scarcely recorded in match stats.
Let me tell u 2 things u need to know
1. Goals and assist isn't the only shiit in a football game {messi and iniesta were decisive at UCL 2015 despite not recording a goal}.

2. U need to start watching live matches nowadays to compliment ur zeal for football. If u keeping updating urself with stats and match summary, u wouldnt know who played really well or who did bad despite recording a goal.
{that's exactly why I don't pack stats when debating abt smtin and prefer using logic with u}

Typical of Messi fans... Will always wanna find something sha for their guy... Always searching for one thing , very soon u guys will start to tell us that he was the one that had the throw in that let yo the goal or he played the corner kick that led to the goal... As I said b4 , u guys can live in ur lucid dreams

Jeferious:
Football enthusiasts, let conduct a little experiment, shall we?

Remove Messi from the picture. Like completely. Alright. Bring Ronaldo forward. I mean the Portuguese Ronaldo. Compare him with all-time greats such as Pele, Maradona, Zidane, Ronaldo de Lima, Rivaldo. Now be honest with yourself. With all those trophies he has won for both club and country, would he measure up with these five I just mentioned? Just try your best to be honest.

Now, bring in Messi again. Here's a man whose profile lacks a major international trophy, and who might never win one throughout his career. Still, he's in this league of greats....in fact he's considered better than some of that five, if not better than all. Trophies are hallmarks of a great football career, but it is important to also note that they are the pleasing product of brilliant teamwork and coordination. That's the mistake pundits make in argument, either due to ignorance or some other factors. Afterall, if the GOAT title would be determined solely by the number and trophies won, even Dani Alves would stake a claim.

In conclusion, there's a reason why Messi would be mentioned in the list of all-time football greats. He's clearly the best individual footballer the world has ever seen. And if the GOAT title is an individual award, the best individual player ever is the one who deserves it. And in my opinion, that player is Messi.

I still don't agree with u... Forget alves in this discussion cos u are meant to understand that in every team, there is that one great player that all have their eyes on , u can't bring in alves to that effect... Henry win everything as well in football just like zidane but zidane will always b ahead of him... Ask urself this question, y were those players mentioned ?? Now Pele was outstanding for Brazil and Santos ,won titles with them, maradona was outstanding as well , won titles with Argentina ( 2 Copa America and a WC) and lowly Napoli , zidane WC ,euros ,WC and champions League with real Madrid and league titles with juventus, don't forget when he said he had to win the CL to b mentioned amongst the greats after loosing back to back CL final with juventus ... Cr7 is the first player in history to win league titles in the 3 major Leagues and was the outstanding player in those teams, winning top scorer for those teams and winning best player in those leagues, also won the euros and nations league with lowly Portugal, a team that had never featured in any major final in history till he was called up , a team that had only previously featured in 3 WCs b4 he joined the team .... He is the second highest goal scorer in the history of world football ahead of GERD Muller (Germany ), Pele ( Brazil) and Messi ( Argentina) ... It's unfair to say that a Messi that has only done extremely well for Barcelona is a better player... Ronaldo wasn't just in those teams , he was the best player in those teams ... U guys are just so hateful and so biased

This person is sick....he should be in a mental institution for a long journey to treated cos his condition has really deteriorated

Frankaka8:
Excuse me? What year. And which opponent? Gimme the lineup?

He even scored the penalty that sent them to the semis against England