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didn't we jst compare the $1300 xps 13 with the $1300 2015 macbook pro ,in graphics, battery life and processor speed,
Mr IT Expert ,get a grip.

Fulaman198:
It will do your brain good to research something and make some coherent sense. You are talking out of point now.

My point is no matter the price range a Windows based device will outperform an Apple computer.

If you want to use dollars as the currency, then a $2000 Windows laptop will outperform a $2000 Apple Macbook. Nuffsaid.

You're so friggin ridiculous, I have stated several times that many apple products are overpriced , I have also stated that i believe apple has exploitative tendencies. this is about the 13" macbook pro and its competitors and the mobility/performance value that it offers.
you just keep beating about the bush

Fulaman198:
Nah you are just dodging facts which I have provided a lot of. You just don't want to hear it because you are living in Apple la-la land where Apple trumps all. This is how it has always been. This is how it will always be. Apple products are overpriced simple as that. The new Macbook running on a Core M is a very simple example. You don't get the best performance for the Naira, Dollar, Pound, Euro, Yen, whatever currency you use.

Apple products are a waste of money and they are not the industry standard.

People like you.....Sorry to say, never see past their egos, and are hence very limited. facts, figures and test results are replete and you still talk trash, I just asked you a simple question and uve been on and on about nothing,

we have made several comparisons of equally priced notebooks.

Apple is one company, there are over 3 dozen companies manufacturing windows notebooks, from as low as $300. where do you think the majority of consumers fall ?
you think you're so smart and tech savvy but you don't even scratch the surface. Imagine , "American tech world thinks"... how many laptops have you designed in your lifetime. the technology and knowledge you work with today originated from your forefathers abi. Open your mind to knowledge
it'll do your brain some good

Fulaman198:
Correction, the American tech world thinks that and since you are a copy cat, you think that as well. I can tell you from my experience in the I.T. world Apple computers are not the standard. They were the standard back in the 80s. However, there are a few fan boys and fan girls out there who are revelling in the past and still think Apples are relevant in the computer realm.....Yet Windows comprises of 95% of users out there with only around 5% being OS X users:

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

There is nothing special about Mac/Apple machines that can't be done on a Windows machine. Mac Machines DO NOT (and have never) outperformed Windows machines at the same price point. Whether it is desktop, huge workstations, mobile workstations, ultrabooks, it doesn't happen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7dNXramIIY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFhA77i5aus

there is so much proof out there that Apple over charges for products that underperform at every price point (the best example is the new macbook 12" Piece of Crap that uses a weak core M processor....). There is no denying that.

please stop sounding ignorant , were talking about the best manufacturers have to offer right now for anyone in the market for a notebook and you're doing throwbacks. don't your get it ? 'm not here to tell you apple is the best technology company in the world ...my point is and has always been that the 2015 13" macbook pro is the best in terms of performance and portability right now!! and that apple notebooks are not mediocre like you described. Damn be objective for chrissake
which school you graduate from sef

Fulaman198:
Price for Price segmentation if you want to discuss performance then look here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LtMuZ4DQjQ

2012 isn't that far back. Both of these laptops are sized similarly.

Oga, it is not I dat think....the tech world thinks....and that is just the reality of the situation.
my argument is flawed ?
My argument is pretty straight and simple and instead of answering my direct questions, you're hovering and telling me about screen resolution. I know what the screen resolution on the 15" xps is, thats clear enough in the screeenshot isn't it ...infact its on the first line in my screenshot.
"full sized is just normal sized notebooks that are more powerful than MacBooks" ..i don't get you, you just introduced a 15" dell xps which is a full-sized workstation notebook just like the 15" mac, what is your confusion?

lol, you jumped to the spill resistance, which has nothing to do with our size/performance talk, is the xps 15 or xps 13 spill resistant
If I'm in the market for a notebook , spill resistance is the least of my problems
kindly reply my other comment, i'm dying for a response

Fulaman198:
Apple keyboards are not spill resistant.

spill resistant keyboard Really? dats it ?? i thought i was gonna see the thinkpad used under water

Fulaman198:
Here is an ultrabook that easily goes toe to toe with the Macbook Pro 15 inch and has an even higher resolution:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzyJ1D2Htxk I will continue to list more.

In regards to durability, can a Macbook do this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U5n2WaMMHo

dang i wish i was getting paid for all this PR

I really don't understand where you're coming from. Your argument is not clear. we're talking ultrabooks and you're talking about a full sized 15" workstation
My argument was; smallest possible size and greatest possible power, and the comparison subject was the 13" macbook pro. Don't break your neck, there's currently no competition for the 13" mac pro in that small form factor/ ultrabook category.
Now about your spilltest videos and the others, you're bringing different features from different devices to comparison. that doesn't make sense, present one device that goes toe to toe on with the "13 inch macbook pro" on quality and prerfomance. simple. And by the way is that your idea of military specs?

Leaving the original subject and coming to the dell xps 15, kindly read the screen shots attached
i'd like to highlight a few points from them-

-as can be seen, it was a struggle to find workstation notebooks that could even compete with the 15" mac pro, and this is a system u have both described as mediocre, do u see the flaw in your argument ?

-the 15" macbook pro packed the same power as your xps 15 but runs cooler (despite apple's design logic by callmedboss being mocked), and has a battery life "hours!!!" more than the xps 15!! so what are you people talking about for chrissake.

-Apple pro notebooks are the standard, other manufacturers just try to meet up or compete. or make their design similar to apple's.

[quote author=Fulaman198 post=34029032]In regard to build quality, can't compete with the Magnesium Alloy:

You're an engineer my good sir, but your arguements and analysis are not objective, .... The generation of processor used is not the question. My question is does the nonsense macbook pro with no nostrils outperform the dell sold at the same price, yes or no...

And speaking of processors you're wrong with your facts again. The dell runs a 15Watts 5200U clocked at 2.2Ghz, while the Mac runs a newer, faster, and more powerful 28Watts 5257U broadwell cpu clocked at 2.7GHz. Talking about graphics the dell xps 13 runs a shared intel HD 5500 graphics while on the Macbook pro...dedicated Intel iris graphics 6100, ( But hey what do I know about computer architecture right, you obviously know Mac internals better than I do). So when you say you have better specs on the dell, which specs are you taking about biko And remember, The review units in the video cost exactly the same, $1300

-I asked a direct question about the macbook pro you said was running 750m graphics. You're yet to give me a response on that.
-I also asked you to mention just one windows laptop of the same size and cost as the 13" macbook pro that outperforms it.

My argument is pretty clear and simple.
By the way Apple laptops are configurable to user specs too,

Taking about power users, remember this whole argument is centred around your claim of apple sacrificing power/performace for mobility and size.. As if there are any better windows notebooks that deliver the kind of power thier macbook pros deliver at such a small size. And your talk about design logic in reference to the size of thier air vents.
I also asked

JustCalMeDBoss:
They both use the same generation cpu and you can have better specs in the dell at the same price point as apple. Now once you move into the 15 inch territory the gap even becomes wider. Go to dell site and configure the dell xps 13 non touch edition. Yes the apple as some advantage like a brighter screen( what type of advanteage is dat) pcmag and laptopmag compares with the particular model they reviewed. And remeber I said power users. Since the ipad has eaten to much away from the average user. No poweruser uses a 13.3 inch laptop. Move into the 15inch categoery where the majority of users are and you see how mmoot the macbook is. I am on site so battery life is been consereved for my phone.

@ justcallmedboss.....errrr, i actually just googled the hpz820 and ummm...its a friggin "DESKTOP WORKSTATION" .. for crying out loud!! or am i mistaken??
is that what ure comparing to a notebook ?? rily

LOL, well I'm actually a Mechanical Engineer.

Fulaman198:
Pretty much this, but he's not an engineer or power user like us.

You're beating about the bush my good friend . I said mention just one windows ultrabook that is as small and light as the 2015 macbook pro yet more powerful...
and your understanding of "build quality" makes me laugh really hard
G-shock wrist watches are built to military specs ...doesn't mean they have better build quality, or are made of more premium materials than a rolex, a cartier or a patek. get the picture? premium materials = more money.
By the way, which military specs sef ? military spec notebooks can withstand impacts from 10ft falls, exposure to mud, extreme temperatures, vibrations, other serious outdoor use scenarios. and you're calling lenovo consumer notebooks. oya drop your lenovo na lets see how military it is.

My man, the only apple device i have ever owned asides a macbook pro is an iPod touch. so make no mistakes my friend, I am no Apple fanboy . I just know what i want. I even consider their phones overpriced in comparison to other android or windows mobile alternatives.

Fulaman198:
Sorry I guess you don't want to compare your precious Macbook to real powerful Notebooks. Build quality as aforementioned nothing beats Lenovo as they are built to military specs.

Battery life Apple excels and does well, however I believe Dell has them beat there.

I can list so many examples. I'm sorry you are stuck on the Apple bandwagon.

First and foremost sir, can you tell me which comparable dell or hp laptop beats the macbook pro in performance and value?? and please do not mistake the "new 2015 macbook pro" for the "new 2015 macbook" ..they are two different devices and their performance features are as far apart as the north and south pole.
you appear to be throwing a lot of assertions, but they're neither backed with facts nor figures or simple examples. Now let me give you some... Dell's current top of the line ultrabook which is currently one of the best (combining portability, battery life and performance) windows ultrabook in the first quarter of the year; is the "2015 dell xps 13" Now view this informed side by side spec comparison of the xps and the 2015 macbook pro (please watch, it practically details all there is to know) ...and tell me again how you came about your conclusions and assertions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFL-zA6qfxY

also find below, a cropped screenshot of another unbiased review on laptopmag.com (link below). i took the liberty of cropping a part of the page to highlight the performance comparison section. lets not even bother about better battery life, build quality etc

http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/apple-macbook-pro-13-inch-retina-2015

these are verifiable figures from performance tests!!!! So I don't really get it when you make such bold and loud assertions as if you have carried out empirical tests on these machines. WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOUR CONCLUSIONS BASED ON LOOK AT HARD FACTS AND FIGURES!!!!

Secondly, I don't know what model of macbook your boss had, but i can tell you from experience and from information you can gather online yourself ...Bro, The 2015 Macbook Pro,(i don't know of other models) is one of the quietest and coolest-running notebook on the market. Period

By the way which macbook pro are u talking about running 750m graphics ? the 13" base model of the 2015 macbook pro runs an intel iris 6100 graphics and the more powerful 15" variant runs on the intel Iris pro graphics with an AMD GPU , so broooo.... 'm pretty lost here. And like you rightly stated.."a large part of apple users are creative pros in the video and photography industry"..if the apple notebooks weren't getting the job done,that wouldn't be the case now would it?

And about size vs performance, I think i said it already, different notebooks are made to cater for different needs. you just need to choose the one that best caters for yours. Whats the point of having a notebook that can download the internet in 5 mins and run a billion virtual machines simultaneously if u don't even need or utilise a quarter of the processing power but your battery is gone before you're even halfway through your work. The 15" version of the macbook pro packs enough punch to deliver any kind of computing needs most power users have. do some spec research. The 13" version comes in with less power but gives you the best mobility/performance balance.

THE SIMPLE POINT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE IS...IN THE ULTRABOOK CATEGORY, WITHIN THE $1000-$1300 PRICE RANGE, THE 13" 2015 MACBOOK PRO SLAYS THE COMPETITION IN TERMS OF SIZE VS PERFORMANCE COMPROMISE, AS IS CLEEEARRRLLLY SEEN IN THE TESTS ABOVE.
DONT BE QUICK TO WRITE OFF APPLE'S NOTEBOOKS

I personally see apple as a company with exploitative tendencies and consider most of their products overpriced, but in the case of the 13"macbook pro, they offer reasonable value.

JustCalMeDBoss:
The processor in a macbook compared to a similarly speced hp or dell always performs below because of this nostrils you talk about. Procssors on or the cash to spend. ..........Any thing more than that windows oems are the go to. But when we are talking about a $3000 laptop where I save $1000 and get a badass windows lappy with better spec amost as portable with samebattery life hard to recomend the macbook pro.

LOL,
well first, computing large data sets, running multiple virtual machines simultaneously etc....seriously bro, are we talking about ultrabooks or are we talking workstations and gaming rigs
you still didn't answer my questions tho...which similarly priced ultrabook with the same footprint offers better computing power?? better battery life, better build quality ?? I'm really curious. since you consider the macbook pro not worth the money in comparison to other offerings.

Fulaman198:
Yes in computing large data sets, running multiple virtual machines simultaneously, etc requires more RAM and an extremely powerful processor.

I don't mean to brag but I know Macbook internals more than you do. The only Macbook not running on a puny core i5/i7 U processor is the Macbook pro 15 inch. Other than that like ultrabooks and Macbooks have weak processors for serious computing. Most engineers who do serious work should steer clear of them.

If you have ever opened up a computer you will see that all premium laptops have very similar internal schematics.

lol, i really don't get it. do you want vents the size of louvers for apple to have done the right thing? the question is, does the notebook heat up? No. are the provided vents sufficient for extraction of air when necessary ? Yes. The new macbook pros run cooler than most ultrabooks in the market, even with their nonexistent nostrils
if they can do that and maintain such a small form factor.....it genius
macbook pros offer decent computing power and portability. they're ultrabooks not workstations or gaming rigs. they just get the job done on the go.

JustCalMeDBoss:
you caLl that ventilation. Apple sacrificing design logic for thinner and lighter

Kindly mention any of such similarly priced ultrabooks that favorably competes with the new macbook pro.
Do you even know what the macbook pro is running sef?
Do you think a larger RAM size automatically equals better performance?
And when you say premium components is all hogwash I just laf my butt off. You might wanna do a Lil research brah. So you can speak with a Lil more information. You appear to be basing your assertions more on sentiments & assumptions than facts

Fulaman198:
If you are looking for a thin laptop (ultrabook type) with a good amount of Power, then the Lenovo Thinkpad X series is what you are looking for. In regards to "Premium" components. It's all hogwash and propaganda that Apple uses to brainwash others. Apple really isn't better than Windows. If you compare a premium Windows laptop to a premium macbook, the Windows laptop will always win due to the fact that you get more for your money.

Let's compare an equally priced laptop meant for business/engineering to the a Macbook and the Macbook would lose. My laptop isn't really an Ultrabook it's more of a Workstation and has workstation like power.

when you say they're expensive for no reason, it makes me wonder if you have.
how exactly did you come to the conclusion that no apple notebook rivals your lenovo in performance ? did u carryout any tests or compare geek bench scores or something
That aside, When technology gets smaller and lighter there's an inevitable compromise.... You compromise on power, performance, hardware options/interface etc .. The list is endless. Apple finds a perfect balance between those compromises like no other notebook manufacturer does. Your lenovo is probably twice as thick and twice as heavy as a 2015 macbook pro for instance and probably with a battery life that's about half that of the Mac pro (over 11 hrs) . Different notebooks cater for different consumer needs, if mobility and decent computing power are your priority. I don't see too many notebooks competing with the 13" macbook pros on the market. In comparison with notebooks of the same/similar form factor or footprint. Apple Mac pros practically murder the competition performance-wise. And those other competitor notebooks are equally similarly priced. Take the highly rated 2015 dell xps 13 for instance. Watch the comparison


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFL-zA6qfxY

quote author=Fulaman198 post=33976316]

I've worked on Apple devices numerous times, before we switched over to windows devices, why do you ask?[/quote]

-Build quality is simply awesome (thier unibody aluminium chasis are very very durable, and still look good after a long while, keyboard and trackpad are still the best in the industry)

-Great OS (fluidity, ease of use, user interface etc...beats Microsoft windows

-Excellent Battery life

some apple products are quite overpriced , u need to find a balance between value and cost. the macbook pro line is in my opinion the best value for money offering apple has. I used to be a big apple hater

BeloHorizonte14:
What is so special about apple systems; are they in any way different from other high range Hp,Lenovo,Dell core i7 systems? Do they offer more than other brands of laptop?

Also,does one have to buy 'apps' on it as it is with Iphones?

Is it (Nigerian)user friend?

Thank you.

the 2015 macbook pro does have vents, they are however well hidden

JustCalMeDBoss:
In our office we use the hp zbook 17 it has a 4940mx intel processor 3.1ghz quadcore with 4ghz turbo.
32gb ddr3ram
1tb ssd and 2tb hdd
An 8gb nvidia quadro 5100m graphics card of. Course it cost a fortune. And I still think its slow espically 3dss max rendering. We switch to the z840 and z820 for that the z840 spec

Dual intel xeon E5 2697 v3 14core at 2.6ghz 28 physical core and 56 virtual cores(what you see in task manger as 56 cpu)

256gb ddr4 2133mhz ram

Dual Qaudro K6000 with 12gb video card

Not ur average desktop
Revit and 3ds max runs like a cham even 36 million polygon

Dell precision m6000 series also


The macbook pro does not have ventilation how can it breathe. Also the gtx 750m graphic card is below medicore only comes with 16gb ram get my drift.

have u ever owned an apple notebook ?

Fulaman198:
They are expensive for no reason. I can tell you right now that no Apple laptop offered by Apple is as fast as my Lenovo Thinkpad. You are paying for the fanaticism and becoming a bandwagoner

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