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You My friend have told one too many lies , configured to the spec you boasted about earlier, the w541 costs over $2,600..see the screenshot. the base configuration of the macbook pro cost just $1,999 and is clocked at 2.5Ghz, the higher config is clocked at 2.7ghz and costs $2,499
if a 2013ghz model clocked at 2.3ghz kicks the 2.7ghz 4800MQ cpu on the w540 in the butt, you can only imagine how it compares to a much more powerful 2015 model

by the way your very own personal almighty high end power horse is running a puny 4710MQ processor clocked at 2.5Ghz. which even pales in comparison to the 4800MQ , How dare you compare that tuna can to a 2015 retina macbook pro ? damn i didn't even think to check your system spec all the while
And you're here making noise about no macbook can outperform your bla bla bla ...smh

and talking about

Fulaman198:
the funny thing is that when you compare the Macbook Pro 15" and the Thinkpad W541 (they are competitors), the thinkpad W541 is much cheaper and performs better.

LOL, dude,you taking this shiii real personal , nevertheless...The author primarily lists the unavialability of engineering software on the OS as the issue bro, what are you getting at? and do you see the mention of the macbook pro appearing in almost every list of best laptops by the same author you quoted
in response to your earlier post, I don't see the point in pasting a 3000 word article to buttress a point made in one paragraph when i can crop that one paragraph and paste it here.
here is the source link
http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-w540-2014
and like i said before the 2.3Ghz base configuration of a 2 year old macbook pro, outperformed your 2.7Ghz high end lenovo. can u dream how much of a whooping the 2015 model would give??
oh, now you're talking ridiculous and unscientific but you were casting aspersions without any reasonable facts earlier and i have provided figures that refuted all your frivolous claims. you don comot from ultrabook category enter your own model...mac still kicks ass.

hope the processor in question is clear enough in the screenshot below. if they had been in the same paragraph i would definitely have gotten it

Fulaman198:
No you just post snippets, it's called anecdotal evidence. Anyone can do that. You don't mention which processor was used during the test on the W540 thus making your case look even more ridiculous an unscientific.

If you are going to be biased and dishonest, at least try to be more sly about it. The 10% is a low-ball. I don't have to overexaggerate to prove something.

I will reiterate my statement. No Apple computer is as powerful as my Lenovo Thinkpad W541. Too much throttling under a heavy load of tasks/applications, and not enough memory/RAM for serious computing can be found on the Macbook Pro 15". In fact, it's not even considered one of the best engineering laptops because it doesn't have the power:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/175393-best-laptops-for-engineers-when-work-requires-a-real-workstation

lol, dude we're comparing it with an apple notebook thats 2yrs old remember trust me , the 2014 macbook pro is more than 10% faster let alone the 2015, couldn't find the benchmark score of your w541, i for still open your eyes

Fulaman198:
If you were smart you would know that the W541 has 4 processors

The processor in the W541 is 10% faster than the one found in the W540 they don't have the same internals, again mis-information

Processors for the W540:

Core i7-4700mq
Core i7-4800mq
core i7-4900mq
core i7 extreme 4930mx

Processors for the W541:

core i7-4710mq
core i7-4810mq
core i7-4910mq
core i7 extreme 4940mx

Your fanboyism with Apple is forcing you to lie and fabricate stories.

the t450 was the leading contender in the link you sent me, and that was the laptop i was referencing when i made my post
by the way..@ screenshot below, so much for your high end w541, u obviously know the w541 is a slimmer version of the w540 with the same internals , u see how that compares to a 2013 macbook pro ? lol notice they all had higher clock speeds than the old macbook pro, but lo and behold...the macbook shone!!! bright as always

Fulaman198:
Do you see where I said "X-series" in my statement and not "T-series", that's besides the point anyways. If you like your Macbook Pro, good for you. I'm quite pleased with my high-end Thinkpad W541. We'll leave it at that.

mr right information, i have continued to clearly identified your wrong assertions and assumptions , i'll continue to oblige you. the laptop in question comes in with a base configuration core i3 processor, but thats besides the point, i was drawing an analogy in relation to performance difference that was why i even mentioned the processors in the first place.
My underlying argument has always been about the 13" retina macbook pro, and your claim of having better and cheaper windows alternatives to it in the ultrabook category. I am concerned with nothing more

Fulaman198:
It's a core i5.....Don't know where you are getting your mis-information from about the X-series being a core i3, when the review clearly states core i5-5300U.

lol, thats always your response when you aint got $h!t to say
fault any of the 3 with a constructive argument den we can, talk.

Fulaman198:
What you are saying is bull crap.

I'll say this as well.

Apple doesn't build any notebook as powerful with as many ports as the Lenovo Thinkpad W541, I charge you to prove me wrong.

Also, Thinkpads (no matter the model the T-series, X-series, W-series, E-series, etc.) are all built with more durable materials than the Macbook as has been illustrated in various tests (temperature tests, dropping tests, spill tests, etc.)

like i said before....
there is no 13" lenovo notebook in the world that is as thin and powerful as the macbook pro with a battery life as long as 12 plus hours.
I charge you to prove me wrong

Fulaman198:
Different performing categories? What are you talking about, they are all ultrabooks

so a core i3 12 inch laptop with 4GB ram clocked at less thank 2GHz is now in the same performance category as 2.7Ghz 5250U notebook
"ultrabook" is a size category, has nothing to do with performance .the puny new macbook like u call it, with a 1.1ghz M processor is an ultra-ultra book too remember ?

Fulaman198:
Different performing categories? What are you talking about, they are all ultrabooks

common man , i keep things clear when i make my comparisons, these laptops are from different performance categories naaaa, haba..the page is talking longest battery life regardless of how it is achieved and how much they can do.
its like comparing an xps 13 (over 10 hrs) to a 15" macbook (over 7 hrs) and saying dells have a better battery life than the mac. you don't go mixing categories up.
besides that, in your haste to make a point you didn't notice that two out of the only three notebooks in the world that beat the macbook pro battery longevity(over 12 hrs) do so with "extended batteries" (extra bulk )and are in no way near the performance level or slimness of the macbook pro. the third one which is the toshiba protege is a hybrid and when its docked lasts just 7.29 hrs.
there is no 13" lenovo notebook in the world that is as thin and powerful as the macbook pro with a battery life as long as 12 plus hours.

so tell me again, ....who is the competition?? (

Fulaman198:
I'm not going to post this twice in regards to battery life. Your assertions about Apple having the best battery life is backed up by what evidence?

http://m.blog.laptopmag.com/all-day-strong-longest-lasting-notebooks

I really don't get why you keep up an argument, the two 13" laptops in the video comparison are priced the same ..@ $1300 and the macbook performed better, which better specs are you referring to again ??
same as the 15" category, a $2400 configuration of the ups was compared to a $1999 configuration of the mac and the macbook edged over the xps 15,

JustCalMeDBoss:
Both bizze and fulman are right why the 13 inch macbook pro might be the best 13inch laptop the dell xps 13 always has better specs at the same price. But you are so wrong the optimizations the osx has for design centric ppl. Can you name them. You are entering into my territory and for video editors nothing compares to horsepower. If you understand how video editing softwares work they use the gpu for video accleration. The macbook pro 13 uses the intel graphics it does not count now that gpu needs a fast cpu to feed it instructions I have a tricked out macbook pro 15 dat got burnt less than 3 months a tricked out macbook pro is around $3300 You can get kickass laptops for that price. Let's not get into desktops

You get my drift
I'm not interested in any macbook vs windows d!cck measuring contest, cos in my opinion like any other product, all the different notebooks in the market have a target consumer. find what works for you,Simple.
but when people come up with design and functionality statements that are factually wrong, and try to act like they know what the heck they're talking about, that ticks me off. for instance;

(1) that macbook pros do not have vents and hence cannot breathe and this will in turn affect their performance, and that this is a design flaw, etc...there are vents on three sides of my 2015 macbook pro, carefully hidden in an unobtrusive and aesthetics-consious manner. that aside,the notebook still runs cooler than others within the same performance category. i don't see how they're sacrificing design logic if they give you a notebook thats very slim and yet runs cools.
just call me the boss stated on page 1, quote "the processor in a macbook compared to a similarly speed hp or dell always performs below because of this nostrils you talk about......a comparable hp or dell laptop to a macbook pro is always cheaper with better performance" ....in the screenshot above we see the performance scores of the xp3 13 and that of the 13" macbook pro, both with core i5 processors, both $1300 and the macbook practically slays the other windows device..we also see a comparison in the 15" category between a $2400 dell xps15 and a $1999 15" macbook pro, you see how at $400 cheaper, the macbook pro outperforms the $2400 dell. this is the same macbook that justcallmedboss says is moot in the 15" category, also kindly observe the specs detailed for the dell in the screenshot below and compare with those available for the mac at $2499. which gives a better value ?

(2) on page 1, fulaman asserted that lenovos are built to military specs and that dell has apple beat in the battery area. lol, military specs seriously brah?
apple still rules the market in d power dept, as you can see from the battery performance of the dell xps 15 vs the macbook pro 15" in one of the previous screenshots same in the 13" category, dell is however the closest competitor

(3) on this page, fulaman in his infinite knowledge stated that..."Mac machines do not and have never outperformed windows machines at the same price point wether it is desktop, huge workstation, ultrabooks, it doesn't happen" now we know how much of a fact that is.

who's stating the facts and who is just casting aspersions

maybe like some other poster said here, there are too many fake and cheap notebooks in the market hence the perceived "huge" price gap, apple is just one company and MacBooks aren't that popular outside of north america, so less chances of adulteration, but on the windows side...with so many OEMs and so many models from each OEM, the market is a jungle. I've seen notebooks up to 50% cheaper here than what is obtainable in europe or northamerica especially hp models. and when people compare these notebooks to the price of genuine MacBooks the gap looks sooo humongous.

I buy ALL my notebooks in the US and i can tell you that with the kind of research that i put in before any purchase, i know what the heck I'm talking about when I'm talking about whatever the heck I'm taking bout. I've used windows almost all my life, switched to OS X just a few months ago. for certain personal reasons

dazekid:
I like how Bizzle2 picked one apple product(the 13inch MacBook Pro) and drove his points from there and most of his statements are factually a.

the dell xps 13 is the closest thing to the 13" macbook pro, there is no other challenger in the "ultrabook category"
and by the way the two others you mentioned were not in comparison to the 13" macbook pro

Fulaman198:
The Dell XPS is but one Windows computer. I have listed several on this thread.

If I may refresh your Expert Memory

This Guy sha
didn't we jst compare the $1300 xps 13 with the $1300 2015 macbook pro ,in graphics, battery life and processor speed,
Mr IT Expert ,get a grip.

Fulaman198:
It will do your brain good to research something and make some coherent sense. You are talking out of point now.

My point is no matter the price range a Windows based device will outperform an Apple computer.

If you want to use dollars as the currency, then a $2000 Windows laptop will outperform a $2000 Apple Macbook. Nuffsaid.

You're so friggin ridiculous, I have stated several times that many apple products are overpriced , I have also stated that i believe apple has exploitative tendencies. this is about the 13" macbook pro and its competitors and the mobility/performance value that it offers.
you just keep beating about the bush

Fulaman198:
Nah you are just dodging facts which I have provided a lot of. You just don't want to hear it because you are living in Apple la-la land where Apple trumps all. This is how it has always been. This is how it will always be. Apple products are overpriced simple as that. The new Macbook running on a Core M is a very simple example. You don't get the best performance for the Naira, Dollar, Pound, Euro, Yen, whatever currency you use.

Apple products are a waste of money and they are not the industry standard.

People like you.....Sorry to say, never see past their egos, and are hence very limited. facts, figures and test results are replete and you still talk trash, I just asked you a simple question and uve been on and on about nothing,

we have made several comparisons of equally priced notebooks.

Apple is one company, there are over 3 dozen companies manufacturing windows notebooks, from as low as $300. where do you think the majority of consumers fall ?
you think you're so smart and tech savvy but you don't even scratch the surface. Imagine , "American tech world thinks"... how many laptops have you designed in your lifetime. the technology and knowledge you work with today originated from your forefathers abi. Open your mind to knowledge
it'll do your brain some good

Fulaman198:
Correction, the American tech world thinks that and since you are a copy cat, you think that as well. I can tell you from my experience in the I.T. world Apple computers are not the standard. They were the standard back in the 80s. However, there are a few fan boys and fan girls out there who are revelling in the past and still think Apples are relevant in the computer realm.....Yet Windows comprises of 95% of users out there with only around 5% being OS X users:

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

There is nothing special about Mac/Apple machines that can't be done on a Windows machine. Mac Machines DO NOT (and have never) outperformed Windows machines at the same price point. Whether it is desktop, huge workstations, mobile workstations, ultrabooks, it doesn't happen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7dNXramIIY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFhA77i5aus

there is so much proof out there that Apple over charges for products that underperform at every price point (the best example is the new macbook 12" Piece of Crap that uses a weak core M processor....). There is no denying that.

please stop sounding ignorant , were talking about the best manufacturers have to offer right now for anyone in the market for a notebook and you're doing throwbacks. don't your get it ? 'm not here to tell you apple is the best technology company in the world ...my point is and has always been that the 2015 13" macbook pro is the best in terms of performance and portability right now!! and that apple notebooks are not mediocre like you described. Damn be objective for chrissake
which school you graduate from sef

Fulaman198:
Price for Price segmentation if you want to discuss performance then look here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LtMuZ4DQjQ

2012 isn't that far back. Both of these laptops are sized similarly.

Oga, it is not I dat think....the tech world thinks....and that is just the reality of the situation.
my argument is flawed ?
My argument is pretty straight and simple and instead of answering my direct questions, you're hovering and telling me about screen resolution. I know what the screen resolution on the 15" xps is, thats clear enough in the screeenshot isn't it ...infact its on the first line in my screenshot.
"full sized is just normal sized notebooks that are more powerful than MacBooks" ..i don't get you, you just introduced a 15" dell xps which is a full-sized workstation notebook just like the 15" mac, what is your confusion?

lol, you jumped to the spill resistance, which has nothing to do with our size/performance talk, is the xps 15 or xps 13 spill resistant
If I'm in the market for a notebook , spill resistance is the least of my problems
kindly reply my other comment, i'm dying for a response

Fulaman198:
Apple keyboards are not spill resistant.

spill resistant keyboard Really? dats it ?? i thought i was gonna see the thinkpad used under water

Fulaman198:
Here is an ultrabook that easily goes toe to toe with the Macbook Pro 15 inch and has an even higher resolution:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzyJ1D2Htxk I will continue to list more.

In regards to durability, can a Macbook do this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U5n2WaMMHo

dang i wish i was getting paid for all this PR

I really don't understand where you're coming from. Your argument is not clear. we're talking ultrabooks and you're talking about a full sized 15" workstation
My argument was; smallest possible size and greatest possible power, and the comparison subject was the 13" macbook pro. Don't break your neck, there's currently no competition for the 13" mac pro in that small form factor/ ultrabook category.
Now about your spilltest videos and the others, you're bringing different features from different devices to comparison. that doesn't make sense, present one device that goes toe to toe on with the "13 inch macbook pro" on quality and prerfomance. simple. And by the way is that your idea of military specs?

Leaving the original subject and coming to the dell xps 15, kindly read the screen shots attached
i'd like to highlight a few points from them-

-as can be seen, it was a struggle to find workstation notebooks that could even compete with the 15" mac pro, and this is a system u have both described as mediocre, do u see the flaw in your argument ?

-the 15" macbook pro packed the same power as your xps 15 but runs cooler (despite apple's design logic by callmedboss being mocked), and has a battery life "hours!!!" more than the xps 15!! so what are you people talking about for chrissake.

-Apple pro notebooks are the standard, other manufacturers just try to meet up or compete. or make their design similar to apple's.

[quote author=Fulaman198 post=34029032]In regard to build quality, can't compete with the Magnesium Alloy:

You're an engineer my good sir, but your arguements and analysis are not objective, .... The generation of processor used is not the question. My question is does the nonsense macbook pro with no nostrils outperform the dell sold at the same price, yes or no...

And speaking of processors you're wrong with your facts again. The dell runs a 15Watts 5200U clocked at 2.2Ghz, while the Mac runs a newer, faster, and more powerful 28Watts 5257U broadwell cpu clocked at 2.7GHz. Talking about graphics the dell xps 13 runs a shared intel HD 5500 graphics while on the Macbook pro...dedicated Intel iris graphics 6100, ( But hey what do I know about computer architecture right, you obviously know Mac internals better than I do). So when you say you have better specs on the dell, which specs are you taking about biko And remember, The review units in the video cost exactly the same, $1300

-I asked a direct question about the macbook pro you said was running 750m graphics. You're yet to give me a response on that.
-I also asked you to mention just one windows laptop of the same size and cost as the 13" macbook pro that outperforms it.

My argument is pretty clear and simple.
By the way Apple laptops are configurable to user specs too,

Taking about power users, remember this whole argument is centred around your claim of apple sacrificing power/performace for mobility and size.. As if there are any better windows notebooks that deliver the kind of power thier macbook pros deliver at such a small size. And your talk about design logic in reference to the size of thier air vents.
I also asked

JustCalMeDBoss:
They both use the same generation cpu and you can have better specs in the dell at the same price point as apple. Now once you move into the 15 inch territory the gap even becomes wider. Go to dell site and configure the dell xps 13 non touch edition. Yes the apple as some advantage like a brighter screen( what type of advanteage is dat) pcmag and laptopmag compares with the particular model they reviewed. And remeber I said power users. Since the ipad has eaten to much away from the average user. No poweruser uses a 13.3 inch laptop. Move into the 15inch categoery where the majority of users are and you see how mmoot the macbook is. I am on site so battery life is been consereved for my phone.

@ justcallmedboss.....errrr, i actually just googled the hpz820 and ummm...its a friggin "DESKTOP WORKSTATION" .. for crying out loud!! or am i mistaken??
is that what ure comparing to a notebook ?? rily

LOL, well I'm actually a Mechanical Engineer.

Fulaman198:
Pretty much this, but he's not an engineer or power user like us.

You're beating about the bush my good friend . I said mention just one windows ultrabook that is as small and light as the 2015 macbook pro yet more powerful...
and your understanding of "build quality" makes me laugh really hard
G-shock wrist watches are built to military specs ...doesn't mean they have better build quality, or are made of more premium materials than a rolex, a cartier or a patek. get the picture? premium materials = more money.
By the way, which military specs sef ? military spec notebooks can withstand impacts from 10ft falls, exposure to mud, extreme temperatures, vibrations, other serious outdoor use scenarios. and you're calling lenovo consumer notebooks. oya drop your lenovo na lets see how military it is.

My man, the only apple device i have ever owned asides a macbook pro is an iPod touch. so make no mistakes my friend, I am no Apple fanboy . I just know what i want. I even consider their phones overpriced in comparison to other android or windows mobile alternatives.

Fulaman198:
Sorry I guess you don't want to compare your precious Macbook to real powerful Notebooks. Build quality as aforementioned nothing beats Lenovo as they are built to military specs.

Battery life Apple excels and does well, however I believe Dell has them beat there.

I can list so many examples. I'm sorry you are stuck on the Apple bandwagon.

First and foremost sir, can you tell me which comparable dell or hp laptop beats the macbook pro in performance and value?? and please do not mistake the "new 2015 macbook pro" for the "new 2015 macbook" ..they are two different devices and their performance features are as far apart as the north and south pole.
you appear to be throwing a lot of assertions, but they're neither backed with facts nor figures or simple examples. Now let me give you some... Dell's current top of the line ultrabook which is currently one of the best (combining portability, battery life and performance) windows ultrabook in the first quarter of the year; is the "2015 dell xps 13" Now view this informed side by side spec comparison of the xps and the 2015 macbook pro (please watch, it practically details all there is to know) ...and tell me again how you came about your conclusions and assertions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFL-zA6qfxY

also find below, a cropped screenshot of another unbiased review on laptopmag.com (link below). i took the liberty of cropping a part of the page to highlight the performance comparison section. lets not even bother about better battery life, build quality etc

http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/apple-macbook-pro-13-inch-retina-2015

these are verifiable figures from performance tests!!!! So I don't really get it when you make such bold and loud assertions as if you have carried out empirical tests on these machines. WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOUR CONCLUSIONS BASED ON LOOK AT HARD FACTS AND FIGURES!!!!

Secondly, I don't know what model of macbook your boss had, but i can tell you from experience and from information you can gather online yourself ...Bro, The 2015 Macbook Pro,(i don't know of other models) is one of the quietest and coolest-running notebook on the market. Period

By the way which macbook pro are u talking about running 750m graphics ? the 13" base model of the 2015 macbook pro runs an intel iris 6100 graphics and the more powerful 15" variant runs on the intel Iris pro graphics with an AMD GPU , so broooo.... 'm pretty lost here. And like you rightly stated.."a large part of apple users are creative pros in the video and photography industry"..if the apple notebooks weren't getting the job done,that wouldn't be the case now would it?

And about size vs performance, I think i said it already, different notebooks are made to cater for different needs. you just need to choose the one that best caters for yours. Whats the point of having a notebook that can download the internet in 5 mins and run a billion virtual machines simultaneously if u don't even need or utilise a quarter of the processing power but your battery is gone before you're even halfway through your work. The 15" version of the macbook pro packs enough punch to deliver any kind of computing needs most power users have. do some spec research. The 13" version comes in with less power but gives you the best mobility/performance balance.

THE SIMPLE POINT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE IS...IN THE ULTRABOOK CATEGORY, WITHIN THE $1000-$1300 PRICE RANGE, THE 13" 2015 MACBOOK PRO SLAYS THE COMPETITION IN TERMS OF SIZE VS PERFORMANCE COMPROMISE, AS IS CLEEEARRRLLLY SEEN IN THE TESTS ABOVE.
DONT BE QUICK TO WRITE OFF APPLE'S NOTEBOOKS

I personally see apple as a company with exploitative tendencies and consider most of their products overpriced, but in the case of the 13"macbook pro, they offer reasonable value.

JustCalMeDBoss:
The processor in a macbook compared to a similarly speced hp or dell always performs below because of this nostrils you talk about. Procssors on or the cash to spend. ..........Any thing more than that windows oems are the go to. But when we are talking about a $3000 laptop where I save $1000 and get a badass windows lappy with better spec amost as portable with samebattery life hard to recomend the macbook pro.

LOL,
well first, computing large data sets, running multiple virtual machines simultaneously etc....seriously bro, are we talking about ultrabooks or are we talking workstations and gaming rigs
you still didn't answer my questions tho...which similarly priced ultrabook with the same footprint offers better computing power?? better battery life, better build quality ?? I'm really curious. since you consider the macbook pro not worth the money in comparison to other offerings.

Fulaman198:
Yes in computing large data sets, running multiple virtual machines simultaneously, etc requires more RAM and an extremely powerful processor.

I don't mean to brag but I know Macbook internals more than you do. The only Macbook not running on a puny core i5/i7 U processor is the Macbook pro 15 inch. Other than that like ultrabooks and Macbooks have weak processors for serious computing. Most engineers who do serious work should steer clear of them.

If you have ever opened up a computer you will see that all premium laptops have very similar internal schematics.

lol, i really don't get it. do you want vents the size of louvers for apple to have done the right thing? the question is, does the notebook heat up? No. are the provided vents sufficient for extraction of air when necessary ? Yes. The new macbook pros run cooler than most ultrabooks in the market, even with their nonexistent nostrils
if they can do that and maintain such a small form factor.....it genius
macbook pros offer decent computing power and portability. they're ultrabooks not workstations or gaming rigs. they just get the job done on the go.

JustCalMeDBoss:
you caLl that ventilation. Apple sacrificing design logic for thinner and lighter

Kindly mention any of such similarly priced ultrabooks that favorably competes with the new macbook pro.
Do you even know what the macbook pro is running sef?
Do you think a larger RAM size automatically equals better performance?
And when you say premium components is all hogwash I just laf my butt off. You might wanna do a Lil research brah. So you can speak with a Lil more information. You appear to be basing your assertions more on sentiments & assumptions than facts

Fulaman198:
If you are looking for a thin laptop (ultrabook type) with a good amount of Power, then the Lenovo Thinkpad X series is what you are looking for. In regards to "Premium" components. It's all hogwash and propaganda that Apple uses to brainwash others. Apple really isn't better than Windows. If you compare a premium Windows laptop to a premium macbook, the Windows laptop will always win due to the fact that you get more for your money.

Let's compare an equally priced laptop meant for business/engineering to the a Macbook and the Macbook would lose. My laptop isn't really an Ultrabook it's more of a Workstation and has workstation like power.

when you say they're expensive for no reason, it makes me wonder if you have.
how exactly did you come to the conclusion that no apple notebook rivals your lenovo in performance ? did u carryout any tests or compare geek bench scores or something
That aside, When technology gets smaller and lighter there's an inevitable compromise.... You compromise on power, performance, hardware options/interface etc .. The list is endless. Apple finds a perfect balance between those compromises like no other notebook manufacturer does. Your lenovo is probably twice as thick and twice as heavy as a 2015 macbook pro for instance and probably with a battery life that's about half that of the Mac pro (over 11 hrs) . Different notebooks cater for different consumer needs, if mobility and decent computing power are your priority. I don't see too many notebooks competing with the 13" macbook pros on the market. In comparison with notebooks of the same/similar form factor or footprint. Apple Mac pros practically murder the competition performance-wise. And those other competitor notebooks are equally similarly priced. Take the highly rated 2015 dell xps 13 for instance. Watch the comparison


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFL-zA6qfxY

quote author=Fulaman198 post=33976316]

I've worked on Apple devices numerous times, before we switched over to windows devices, why do you ask?[/quote]

-Build quality is simply awesome (thier unibody aluminium chasis are very very durable, and still look good after a long while, keyboard and trackpad are still the best in the industry)

-Great OS (fluidity, ease of use, user interface etc...beats Microsoft windows

-Excellent Battery life

some apple products are quite overpriced , u need to find a balance between value and cost. the macbook pro line is in my opinion the best value for money offering apple has. I used to be a big apple hater

BeloHorizonte14:
What is so special about apple systems; are they in any way different from other high range Hp,Lenovo,Dell core i7 systems? Do they offer more than other brands of laptop?

Also,does one have to buy 'apps' on it as it is with Iphones?

Is it (Nigerian)user friend?

Thank you.