₦airaland Forum

Ugeh:
Feels like nairaland of old. Very Interesting. My take on this:
That the refinery is going to have an adverse effect on the environment .FACT
Big corporations cover up a lot. FACT.
Aliko Dangote does not fit the bill of someone who has Health, Safety and Environment on his top 10 list. The mayhem caused by his trucks. I can bet that the EIA was just for the records. Remember, he is above the law.

Yes. This was how the forum used to be back 2005/2007 before they destroyed it and made us stop commenting.

dododawa1:
Not Lagos but EKO ijebu side

That's where the Other Ijebu tycoon is stationing his own. I rep Ijebu big time. So so many locations in Ijebu hinterlands that is perfect for this.

Btycoon:
No be lie and no be easy thing everyday na struggle. I stayed Utagba uno area

Hehe he. I sight you @Utagba

I Don visit all those locations wey refineries dey first hand so I know


How Street for Umusam etc.

Btycoon:
You are right my brother I can't stay indoor by day time even had to sleep at night as you are going to be sweating profusely like a goat wey see knife lol. Kwale na for strong people

God will bless you


You nor dey see Kwale


Please tell them from the other side before the pontoon communities. From,Umusam, Umusadege, Ashaka etc una nor dey feel the heat?


From Saipem to Agip as them dey bombard everywhere with extraction day in day out.

quickly:
The best place would have been Apapa inside Wharf port but Dan gote don destroy all the road already and no land. Also the train network starts from there.

British built lines from Apapa to Kano

Apapa has too many petrochemical storage facility. You wan bomb Lagos?

Elsueno:
No matter how fancy or advanced it is, it will surely create pollution. but that is for the people living in the vicinity of the refinery.



Off topic, I remember the ashaka cement plant , Gombe state, that place generates extreme heat, u will even feel it in faraway bajoga when the winds blow.

That's the point. That heat will be carried by the ocean and air is what we're saying.


I feel sorry for people in advance. It's not just in that area. When the entire Biosphere in that area can't handle it, it's overall impact will spread to other areas.

ayandee:
thanks. This means Dangote has done its feasibility study well before launching out.

Economic feasibility yes. But the future is always evolving


There's an invention that will do away with crude oil permanently and has been researched but imperfect but will come into full gear within the next ten years.

But before that time he will cash out heavily.

sukieboy:
Na English and latent greed go kee Yoruba people. Do you know that almost everything produced in the petrochem train is poisonous? The best would have been up close to Ondo and Edo state. You can be stupid to say liquid cannot spilt, it will ofcourse, the question is containing it's spread. Anyway, when you guys see the environmental issues and banks start leaving Lagos for Ibadan you will be the same fellow that would claim you never supported it.

I have seen as almost everyone in Lagos denied voting for Buhari in 2015 because the sai Baba project failed. Buhari did not die , so they are ashamed and secretly angry that he refused to die like Yardua. Same way the will deny all the so called research on this and that.

Lagos is not a good site but dangote wanted it so he can get the deepest port in West Africa and he has got it without you guys knowing. 36feet of dredge. After Una go say Hausa be mumu. Who come mumu pass ?

I'm not from these states but I say it anytime anyday


The best location for this projects are



1. Ondo State


2. Edo State


3. Akwa Ibom


4. Cross River


5. Niger/Bauchi/Jigawa etc.

But Ondo and Edo are central to me. It serve the entire purpose of the refinery. Everything


If Lagos, I would have said Badagry, but you know already Badagry is a disaster. But Badagry because it's also close to crude oil source


If we say these things people from a part would call us names. Let's just keep hush my brother.

sulaak:
Forget the pipeline to Europe, that will never happen with all the insecurity in the Sahel, Europe will never allow their energy supply to depend on an erratic country like Nigeria, insecurity and vandalism will destroy any long pipeline.


In the 1990s Nigeria and Ghana built a $1 billion gas pipeline from Port Harcourt to Ghana

Trust me Germany is also trying to look for sustainable alternatives away from Russia so energy isn't weaponised against her in needs.



Anyways Obj closed the deal was it within 1999/2004 window but as per it coming to life, only God knows.

ayandee:
nice perspective. But what do you think of the advent of electric vehicles especially in the developed world. Don't you think this will affect the profitability of the refinery at some point in the future?

Good point.


We are now in an experimental stage in human life on earth which predicts heavy uncertainty about the future.


Let me explain. Exactly about 12 weeks ago Elon Musk posted a challenge to give 1 Million dollars to any individual across the world with the best sustainable carbon capture scientific design. Why?

It's simply because he understands that heavy and medium productive industries and facilities can't power their engines around the use of electric engines.


Engines of virtually everything on the world was and is designed to function at heavy power in its internal core that the power from solar or electric in electric car design systems for example can't power. Which means we won't technically do away with crude oil unless we have a completely new form of energy, that's relatively available, affordable and can meet industrial and machine needs.

bayelsaowei:
I guess an environmental impact assessment must have been carried out to ensure the safety of both the environment and humans in that area.

Large corporations do lots of cover up in EIA


Trust me. What organization would want to lose in billions of dollars contracts

There's no large scale heavy industrialised activity without cover up

I can write a thing scientifically and hide many facts a layman would never interpret.

Keemsleek005:
I just dey read they laugh there's difference btw a rig and refinery. That's the mistake they making. Even America with their shale oil have refineries.

Largest petroleum refineries in the United States
Rank Refinery Barrels/Day
1 Port Arthur Refinery 607,000
2 Galveston Bay Refinery 585,000
3 Baytown Refinery 560,500
4 Garyville Refinery 564,000

Environmental and health assessments risk as been taking and certified before lagos state will give dangote go ahead to build a refinery in lagos, and i can bet the means of crude transportation to the refinery will be by vessel not pipe. Which is one of the major problems in niger delta cos pipes are used mostly to move crudes and products to depots and the refineries.

Even if there will be health and enviromental risk it will be of minimal effect. Renfineries dont flare gas pls.

My dear. My mother's village is directly overlooking a refinery.


Lol. Once it's 6pm come outside at look to the sky, you'll see it all over. Please go ask people who stay around such refineries for confirmation

Though we mentioned in this thread there will be heat capture systems etc. It is not without environmental concerns. Let's weigh it left and right Sir.

TechSkill:
They should ask people in Warri and Portharcourt. They will learn. Add the sea port coming on that same axis and you have a complete chaotic atmosphere.

The air in that Ajah is unhealthy. In fact, air there hardly circulate...

Well the refinery was formally for Ondo but the then governor of Ondo state rejected it. So Tinubu asked them to come

Do you know I keep saying this but people don't notice or pay attention


The Air around Ajah towards Eleko is highly dense and heavy and doesn't circulate. You can't compare the air around Ajah to the Air from Awoyaya to Bogije, Lakowe etc

sulaak:
That will be good news , if it happen, but wouldn't that be overloading Apapa capacity.

I am convinced that majority of Dangote refined oil would be exported for dollars the logistics fits this model easy access to oil tanker from the refinery own port facilities. The government comatose refineries and the modular refineries will serve the Nigeria communities.

It's well thought out actually. It is going to unfold in phases. There is a renewal of the 1970s petroleum pipelines network that will ensure streamlined nationwide distribution to tackle the challenges of distribution


Let's not forget Lagos Ibadan expressway once functional will be freer than now.

Planned cargo rail services and heavy..


See. Let me tell you guys the truth

Dangote isn't producing for local production


That's the pure fact. Yes a good part will meet local need but the bulk of his market and his target is international market. This is where the Atlantic Ocean comes in


Kudos to Sailors in advance as much opportunities will begin to open to them


Also, Nigeria brokered an agreement with the European Union to construct a supply pipeline from Nigeria directly to Europe. Indeed his project is massive, highly beneficial to the country. And beyond. I wish him well

I see the country benefitting from it massively

I also like to postulate that he will be the richest man in the world because of this refinery within ten years of operation.

Mnopq:
love your comments
I study b.tech physics/elect, if I can be of use to you. abUmujaheed17@gmail.com

Physics for life

Speaking of which. I was the best in all areas in Physics back in the days of my academia. From Quantum physics to Nuclear Physics etc. You just reminded me... Damn..

sulaak:
Common Guys,

When will that happen? ...and you are still going to be using large trailers that have completely polluted Apapa. Apapa in the 1980s was like Ikoyi, today Apapa is a rundown extension of Ajegunle.

We need to ensure that the surrounding health of the community is not taken for granted, development must go hand in hand with environment protect and community health and safety.


The original plan was to locate the refinery in the Olokola FTZ which has natural deepsea facilities but his excused was that the compensation to the community would have amounted to 50% of the project cost ($4 billion) , I doubt that the local communities in Ondo would asked for $100 million.
The like of Tinubu and Fashola have as usual, sold out the Lagos communities , just look at all those oil tanks farms and their trailers that are causing havoc in Satellite town.

Exactly the first best location I picked as an alternative for the project.

Ondo has thick dense forests and can easily access so many parts of the country. With less human density as it's current location.


Let's not forget we will have close to 5 of such refineries in Nigeria so I'm expecting the heat wave and heat signatories over the next five years to scale up massively.


There's Dangote


There's BUA


There's an Ijebu guy who's refining capacity is 500,000 barrels daily.


And a few of such coming on stream in the next few years.

BRATISLAVA:
I wouldn't want to live near any sort of industry. Pollution is not something to negotiate.

They are environmental destroyers, and permanent most times. That is the work of engineering, to transform the environment permanently, either in a good or in a bad way.

Additional heat with the way the ozone already is, is going to be something that will have repercussions in a few years. I thought we would be looking at sustainable energy, but it seems exploration companies want to drill all the oil in the Earth and get rich.

Someone around me took an MRI and full body scan test a couple of years back. The test was glaring in full red. Heavy pollution, intense brain waves, unusual brain activity, not normal. All caused by sun and polluted lagos air. Dude doesn't smoke nor drink nor club


How many of the cheerleaders of this project have gone for a full body scan to check their brains and blood and everything to examine their metabolic functionality.

95% of Nigerians consider these things as luxury until karma sets in


We will give it five years to watch it's prolonged impact. But for me today, with the video feeds coming from China from heavy over productivity, people like us consider it a nobrainer but to watch the project from afar.

Misterone:
trash as usual. so a project as Big as this would be carried out without an EIA. rubbish

Indeed. Please all the heavy industries polluting the world over where such assessment tests not done. I'm close to a Chinese production company, come and see the entire Rivers and streams around if it isn't dead


Don't bother quoting me since you can't interact reasonably. Full

macaranta:
I really don't get your point @OP all the Nigerian refineries are located with almost same or lesser proximity to their respective cities. (PH, Warri, Kaduna). On the issue of flaring, refineries don't really flare gas as an associated gas because they don't drill (drilling comes with associated and unwanted methane gas), refineries will only flare as relief mechanisms (pressure vessel controls). With the current waste heat capture technology, they can reutilize heat for firing turbines and furnaces. Although no technology takes away 100% health hazards but it won't be as severe as what you're opining.

Good point. That's my hope that there's massive heat capture mechanisms in its operational. Schematics


It grieves my heart that despite what is gotten from the Niger Delta region, the refineries there flare nonstop with absolutely zero heat capture systematics in place. If this is in place, then very little heat is what will escape to the environment.

Let's all hope for its best.

BRATISLAVA:
Diffusion.

Most people are looking at it economically, like dangite. Environmentally, it's not the best. And in a country like Nigeria with poor regulatory standards? It's like people don't know this substances are carcinogenic. Maybe when they begin to see the results they will join the cries of the ND.

I'm a Biotechnologist enthusiast. Pretty much, I speak as a scientist. Economically, it's fantastic. But for its capacitance functionality, I don't approve.


I love the place BUA cited it's. Lack of heavy human population thick dense forest. But even in all of these, I'm a believer in decentralised industrialisation so the earth that suffers the damage from all these heals. When the environment around such terrain is hit with consistent productivity, what lies ahead is 50/50. Mp doubt we may be wrong. But our fears aren't completely invalid


But me personally, from what I saw in few communities in Niger Delta to Ewekoro where limestone production is being done, I'm not a fan of overly heavy industry in a single location.

sulaak:
Not just air pollution but excessive heavy duty traffic in Lekki, similar to the chaos in Apapa. The town planner that located the Lekki FTZ and Dangote refinery without a railway line needs his head examined.

For multiple reasons. There is likely going to be sub terrain supply pipelines to distribute to terminals like Apapa, access to rail way terminals and directly to the Atlantic Ocean to supply outside countries.

BRATISLAVA:
Isn't it funny that despite all the EIAs done, refineries continue to pollute and change the world irreparably? If you believe a report from people who want to make money by all means, you will believe anything.

He wouldn't be the first to lie, and they wouldn't be the first to approve.

God bless you


They say it's far away. Does Physics not teach that heat is carried and distributed by wind?

thebosstrevor1:
The area is nothing to write home about, even cows dont eat anything there talkless of human beings.

Most shops are empty, lands there are unsellable.

Pollution and real estate does not go hand in hand.

In my opinion, the entire lekki is ruined.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Cause people think say day in day out the heat from the while process is a joke.


650,000 barrels a day


I'm extremely bothered about the heat first of all. Na that one touch me part.


Let's keep our fingers crossed and see what the implications will be. To me, personally, I believe even citing it in Kaduna or anywhere would have the same effect. This is modern era and things are done differently. Rather than the single heavy impact one location refinery, I would have opted for the decentralised block chain version, where one with 150,000 capacity is in Lagos, another in Ijebu, another in Ondo. Etc that way, the cumulative effect t would hit a single area massively



When it comes to analysis on this scale, let's not look down on ourselves my brother. The brains behind this didn't consider anything beyond profit making for this project.

thebosstrevor1:
Pls just get educated about this issue.

People who live around any medium and heavy industries infrastructures are risking their lives.

Go and see lafarge cement plant along lagos abeokuta express way...the people living around those areas are not in good health condition, the air there is polluted talkless of a refinery and a petrol chemical plants that produces fertilizer which can also be used to make bombs.

Dont ever buy any land near any refinery, that is a bad investment

God bless. You. O


Ordinary Ewekoro after ifo was a nightmare a decade ago I stayed in the region. Everywhere, houses, roads everywhere was covered with limestone dust despite it being LaFarge a moder ers industry. When people talk, they quickly bring in bigotry into it

matrixme:
You're being myopic. Please If you guys want to sell your property, let me know. A refinery being built in the 21st century isn't going to be like the existing ones in Port Harcourt that they now need trillions to maintain.
There are now equipments that capture smoke and toxins and release almost harmless gases as exhaust. I'm sure Dangote would spare no expense in this critical project.
Real estate in the vicinity of the refinery is going to be the real hot cake in some few years.
Oh and Op, Lagos has the market already. It's the first thing to succeed in business. Build where the market is. And you forgot the deep seaport in view, acess to global market. What else do you want again?

Didn't you see where I mentioned this as part of modern day design schematic and said I could be wrong?

Daddysidhan:
calling your fellow anti Western Nigerian ass-holes to come and share their one sided views on a win win investment for Lagos and lagosians as a whole.

Atypical.

Get lost

blasterman:
just watch he will turn the place into Apapa Wharf and destroy the roads and traffic will be unbearable
BAD IDEA

Building right by the ocean so he can add more CO gas from the refinery into the air which will cause more terrible rains.

Is there no environmentalist in nigeria?

God bless you o.

Standing5:
Before vibrating around, go and study the Warri refinery environment and the Kaduna own too. Houses are all over the place and I wonder where you guys get these crazy ideas from.

Who be this one. Who made the thread got value to make you notice.

Get lost

Hm.

Can you do farm work?