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all4naija:
. It is a gradual process. Men were more hairy creatures in the past than of today(that example might not be very correct but I am using that to point to a process that can take a very long time without knowing the minute changes).

all4naija:
This is not all about Darwin's Theory. This what have been scientifically proven. Evolution is completely a process that exist. In biology, it takes a very long period of time and slowly that you cannot seem to recognize it if you aren't careful.

all4naija:
What is wrong with existing from ape? The same ape evolve from another form. Didn't I explain that we evolves through our ancestors that belong to the classification of the primate or ape the hominid before?

all4naija:
The variables are parts of the process. Put those variables on a separate part they too have their make up as you continue to break them down you would come to a singularity of the same make up. If you cannot understand it. The singularity we are inching close to already is made up of any of those variables, whatever thing you can imagine. It is hard for you to comprehend. If you understand quantum mechanics very well you would be digging beyond that process at this point. Let me give you an instance to help you toward this explanation - just like electron can be at different places at once to effect different another process.

all4naija:
What is wrong with existing from ape? The same ape evolve from another form. Didn't I explain that we evolves through our ancestors that belong to the classification of the primate or ape the hominid before?

blym4real:
seems to be getting close? Even we if we assume that is true then you still have to believe you evolve from ape.

all4naija:
Bleh! Hasn't it occurred to you that those are parts of what a process is? If I take out those variables it will become another process without those variables then as you continue, due to limitation, we will be inching close to the singularity - the point of the origin of the process, like in the quantum mechanics I pointed out before. A point where everything that exist is made up of the same particle no matter what the thing is.

all4naija:
Yelp. But one came before the other in some processes. Just like your forefathers gave birth to your mother and father who in a place gave birth to you and your sister... At least, my analogy is clear enough to understand. This is not balancing of equations or treating and formulating of theories.

all4naija:
They are inching close. Inorganic bacteria seems to be getting close to explaining that and many other processes. Science is a process of discovery in a simple term.

all4naija:
Nobody! It is more or less a dimension. Create?! Why did you use the term create if you weren't thinking along the line of a supernatural being(fairy)? You haven't understood that even water doesn't need a creator in my previous posts to become water but by a process of other particles combining to form it. If you want to go further, then you would now have to talk about quantum mechanics and string theories where things at the smallest imagination carried around itself a mini universe(in a lay man explanation) to understand the process.

Anybody?! Who is anybody that exist to create it than your poor imagination!

==> I didn't want to respond to that clay analogy but I think you need it because you cannot think beyond a being. Clay is made up of different particles that made up the clay structures those are what made up clay. Clay cannot mold itself because to mold is another process by another process within the universe already at right condition. This points out that what(not who) mold the clay is not the creator all rather maker of the clay.

all4naija:
Nobody! It is more or less a dimension. Create?! Why did you use the term create if you weren't thinking along the line of a supernatural being(fairy)? You haven't understood that even water doesn't need a creator in my previous posts to become water but by a process of other particles combining to form it. If you want to go further, then you would now have to talk about quantum mechanics and string theories where things at the smallest imagination carried around itself a mini universe(in a lay man explanation) to understand the process.

Anybody?! Who is anybody that exist to create it than your poor imagination!

davien:
It would seem you ignored the bulk of my explanations and instead are using a classic "you have faith too" accusation.
Perhaps you failed to read my examples of evidences that were collected that proved the universe emerged from a singularity I even used a balloon as a side analogy.


So,why the sudden dishonest accusation?

all4naija:
Isn't all you said a process? Even if humans built the accelerator in this case they came through process to give birth to another process and the accelerator will give birth to another process to find out something in another process .Please, make use of your brain for once.

davien:
The balloon(deflated) represents the singularity that is not understood...mostly due to the fact that space being infinitely curved and time being infinitely dilated from a singularity cannot be understood by classical eucladian mathematics because it represents a 0-dimensional infinite regress..
The same way einstein abandoned classical eucladian co-ordinate system in favour of a non-eucladian one(theory of relativity) is also what we need to do..
A new conjecture of mathematics is required..not a miracle.

all4naija:
Please, reread my previous post. Either you cannot get to understand what I am saying or just like to move in circumlocution. I am not going to keep saying the same thing over and over again. The right condition is the point in time when the different particles change into another state. I used water as an example with 2 atoms of hydrogen and 1 atom of oxygen combining to form it. Jeez! This dude is as dense as a stone.

all4naija:
You cannot even wrap your head around what I am explaining to you. They are even observable through many processes, both in labs around the world and in the universe. That is the reason why you need to train your brain beyond your limited thinking in your local environment and let reality speak by studying what the brightest minds have been able to explain in their findings. We aren't talking about logic here we are talking about reality, facts, evidences and they proven in different experiments.

davien:
Okay....so the original singularity is not understood....the expansion that led to the universe is(to a substantial degree)...
Hence the expansion is regarded as the creation of the universe...
If you have a balloon and make two dots on it with a marker and then inflate it....those points keep moving further and further...
This analogy is an example to try to portray the expansion of a 3-dimensional plane in which two cardinal locations never converge but keep moving away from one another...
Looking into space...we observe an example of this kind of expansion analogy by the red-shift(farthest visible light) of far away galaxies..
Now....lets say you asked someone who wasn't there to witness you blow the balloon with air and asked him what indicated it ever being inflated..
He'd tell you that when the balloons contents are examined air or a gas is neccessary to inflate it...
So how do we know an expansion took place?
If the universe emerged from such an immensely dense state we should be able to still observe the heat change or radiation around any point of the universe...
Hence we discovered we are saturated by a cosmic microwave background.
Should I continue? do you understand all these?

all4naija:
You are already blabbing because you don't understand what I am saying. The right conditions came about as the first explosion cold down giving birth to different particles that give rise another particles. These are observable processes in the universe. When you split an atom(a particle) you will have another particles and when you split the other particles you have another through a very extreme processes. You need to educate yourself than claiming I don't know what I am saying when they are observed in many labs around the world. You primitive man. There are different chemicals made up of billionth to the billionth of billionth to the billionth in continuation, meaning it is imaginary in number as you continue to split the process getting toward the singularity due to limitation of what is available to man as regard mathematics. Which has thrown god and religion out of the equation already.

chy22:
Except you are thinking like a typical atheists who assume that every person who believes in a creator are less intellectual than you guys. I will really assume you have identified problems with the explanation you gave, in addition to no explanation you gave me.
Your explanation failed to explain where those materials that exploded came from, neither did it explain what conditions caused them and where the conditions that caused them originated from.

About reality and evidence of occurrence of such explosion, you can not possibly tell me that is a prove. No body recorded or observed the formation of earth so how is that a prove. Also no-body has been able to put up a hypothesis on this issue and observed it in the laboratory either.

Get one thing clear though, my acceptance of the existence of a creator is purely a belief and I recognise that. But you should also accept that you acceptance of no Creator is also a belief and has got noting to do with science.

That said, for your explanation of earth formation to stand you really need to think about this six points
1. Cosmic evolution: You need to explain how time and space came to be, because without time and space where then did the big bang happen and you proof is really a lie.
2. Chemical evolution: You really need to prove how high elements i.e metals and others originated from hydrogen, if you can not fill in this point then what chemicals exploded. Remember chemical reactions need catalysts, and hydrogen on its on can not cause such explosion.
3.Stellar and planetary evolution: one body has documented the observation of star formation no planet formation. And if you explanation is true then considering the trillions of stars we should have observed the formation of one.
4. Organic evolution: No laboratory in the world has observed the formation of life from non-living thing, evolutionists and even atheists them self have no clue on how consciousness evolved to its level today.
5.Macro-evolution: Assuming for some reason the above 4 occurred without a creator, no body or lab have observed the change from kind of animal to another. Believe they have really tried to get this done but still noting.
6. Micro-evolution: Lastly, all the things said and claimed by evolutionists and atheists has been based on this one factor. The truth about the matter is calling this micro-evolution is delusional, this is simply Variation and they are observed. However, a life form can only produce its kind, people often use zebra and horse as a prove this can lead to macro-evolution but this simply a lie. A horse and a zebra can interbreed which makes them same kind, just like a dog and a wolf. But this is not the problem humans and other primates can not interbreed, so how (you should know what I am getting at).

Also remember that most of these kinds that can interbreed often end up with non fertile offsprings. Now they use fossil as prove of these series of events both fossils can not prove that these animals had offsprings and proves nothing.

So basically this cosmic explosion is been proved on lie noting more. Please accept it as a belief and that will sound reasonable because there is no proof.
I welcome your reply any time though.

davien:
blym4real.... The big bang isn't an "explosion" in the classical definition...in fact "big bang" was an insult given to the theory by steady-state theorist fred hoyle....
It was now adopted as a sort of "in your face" when converging evidences supported an expansion of the universe from a singularity.
Everything said to exist(including space and time) were traced to being once emerged from a singularity(an immensely dense and small state)..
I could go on but I need to know if you understand any of this or not...or might I direct you to a series of simplistic videos explaining the theory?

all4naija:
The explosion was caused by unstable nature of activities within it. The right condition is the particular point in time when the different chemicals forms from the old exotic particles went through processes that give rise to another. For example, water is the combination of 2 atoms of hydrogen and 1 atoms of oxygen.

all4naija:
Smh... I would advise you reread what I wrote in my previous post and comprehend it before asking what has been answered. Nobody created the chemicals. They existed from the right conditions after the first explosion that gave birth to the universe.

all4naija:
Smh... I would advise you reread what I wrote in my previous post and comprehend it before asking what has been answered. Nobody created the chemicals. They existed from the right conditions after the first explosion that gave birth to the universe.

all4naija:
Life is a process of different chemical formations which all things come to evolve in stages to what we see to day. Life is not about humans alone but everything that exhibit one or more characteristics of what fall under bio phenomenon. Why earth existence is by chance after forming from the cosmic dust through chaotic process involving gaseous stages before turning into solid to form different universe bodies. Earth happened to fall within the Goldilocks zone where life building blocks or chemicals can be propagated at the right condition that gave rise to different organism that evolves into other forms. You exist and die like the animals you eat on daily bases or plants if you are a vegan.

That is reality not fairy tale. It is observable unlike religion and god!

all4naija:
Life is a process of different chemical formations which all things come to evolve in stages to what we see to day. Life is not about humans alone but everything that exhibit one or more characteristics of what fall under bio phenomenon. Why earth existence is by chance after forming from the cosmic dust through chaotic process involving gaseous stages before turning into solid to form different universe bodies. Earth happened to fall within the Goldilocks zone where life building blocks or chemicals can be propagated at the right condition that gave rise to different organism that evolves into other forms. You exist and die like the animals you eat on daily bases or plants if you are a vegan.

That is reality not fairy tale. It is observable unlike religion and god!

onetrack:
Atheist here, this was about what I expected, though I was actually pleasantly surprised that no one threatened us with some fiery punishment from some angry, jealous god. A lot of people used the Kalamist argument, but that begs the question where does god come from.

RiffRaff:
Common sense... Show a Single shred of evidence for a God and Nobody will argue again.

Its simple.. God remains a delusion in the head of Brainwashed loonies.

Tokunbohkinibig:
This Nigerian train in picture is BUGGATTI oooo and luxury ooo compare to India trains. Nigerians sitting on top of this train in picture are even well behaved and civil compare to Indians. Nigeria ll surely get there. I read some posts, comparing Nigeria to developed countries but failed to recognise/realise that most of these developed countries: Britain, Germany have been in existence over 300 years. Most of the new trains in developed countries today were unattainable,realisable or unachieveable in their first 54 years in existence. Take a look at the picture below and that was exactly what was obtainable in developed countries few years ago.

GboyegaD:
The CBN depreciated the Naira by some points some days ago and so, the bank did no wrong.