TempoJames: You talk nonsense! The HOD of department of medical microbiology Lautech is a Dr.!
mister, there's no need for insults. I wonder what kind of physician you are! can't you comprehend what I stated above. I said lautech's college of health science, not d teaching hospital
MrBigiman: Bro u didn't have to go that far. All through my medical school, the HOD is all the pathology Dept's for Medics have been Medical Doctors. I wonder what that dude seeks to gain.
i think it's better not to talk about what you're not sure of
the problem with most physicians especially when it comes to arguing on superiority is that they'll never talk about what's d truth. That website is the teaching hospital's webpage. I'm talking about lautech's dept of medical microbiology under d college of health science at IsaleOsun
TempoJames: ya it has but a medical doctor is the HOD! stop decieving d public.
no one is deceiving d public here. you're not even in the school. you're only talking based on what u checked on the webpage. For more clarity,what you said above is the teaching hospital's dept of med microbiology. No medical lab scientist works there sef. They have their own separate lab for routine tests. What I was trying to say is that dept of med microbiology that trains medical students b4 they get posted for clinicals is headed by a medical lab scientist who's even a professor
TempoJames: You see the reason why a johesuite can never get to the helm of affairs,why one must not risk putting the health sector into johesu's hands n why they can never be same with medical doctors in terms of training,reasoning and strategies? How can you compare a medical school affiliated to a teaching hospital to a technology school? I guess uptill now u never knew that teaching hospital and consultants in d respective fields are WHO's major criteria for accreditation of medical schools.
lautech being a school of technology has its own teaching hospital
TempoJames: I talk of classic schools and international best schools ..u r talking of lautech...which medical doctor will like to teach in technology school? All medical doctors teaching clinical courses are consultants and d medical school must be affiliated with a teaching hospital. uptill date, no medlab scientist nears d class room or is HOD of microbiology in college of medicine of UNN,UI,UniBen,OAU,All saints university, canada
being d HOD of medical microbiology is based on academic experiences. It has never and will never be for physicians alone. Pls, stop this over hyping of physicians, because that has been d reason for d problems in our health sector
Freddonance: is that medsch accredited?? cos I know the requirement is pathologists should teach medical student in yr4.
Lautech's college of health science is both MDCN and MLSCN accredited, both with quota of 75 each. In fact, lautech's chs is one of the best in the country.
TempoJames: Lab attendance! my friend is a medlab scientist in all saints , I have colleagues from UI. I am a product of UNN. That is why I specifically mentioned those 3. You guys always want to confuse the public..... technical officers kwa? ok u now accept d place of tecnologist n not scientist again? My friend don't swallow d fish with d hook. When I was in 400L...medlab scientist were d ones demonstrating d experiment at d beginning of d practical session and each of d 4 sections had d respective pathologist as HOD..The medlab scientist never neared d class room. I also exhausted all aspects of parasitology in first year. So a doc is trained in both clinical n laboratory medicine.
it seems you still don't comprehend my point. Here at lautech, medlab scientists with only BMLS degree are technical officers when it comes to practicals while med lab scientists who have undergone further studies are lecturers. Even the HOD of medical microbiology dept at osogbo is a med lab scientist. You can confirm that if you're still in doubt. In fact, there are more lecturers with MLS degree in d dept of medmicro than doctors
naijaking1: The medical student is trained by a wide array of experts. 6-9 months rotation is what it takes an average med student to cover most of the whole 4-5 year syllabus of a med lab tech program. Once again, I know, I did both.
6-9 months to cover all a biomedical scientist learns in 5yrs?? Tell me then, why your medical students can't perform.complex tests until after specializing in pathology? and by the way, medlab of 1980s that you claim to have studied is more like medlab technician curriculum of now. It can never be at parity with the current BMLS curriculum
TempoJames: In UNN ,UI and all saints university of medicine in canada n etc medsurg students and medlab students are taught pathology by pathologists(doctors) d medlab scientists r lab attendances.
Pathology is a course in 300L for medlab. The department of medical microbiology and parasitology that trains medical students during their 400L comprises of both medical lab scientists and pathologists. The medical lab scientists with only BMLS degree are technical officers and not lab attendants in such a situation.
MrBigiman: From First Diagnstics, to Motayo Soleye, to St Nicholas, to Reddinton, to St Ives and Even Eko Hospital, Scientist and other health workers behave themselves and never ask for parity with Doctors or to head hospitals. Doctors are leaders there and get more pay overall and nobody struggles for consultant Lab Scientist. I pray daily that the government should eventually Cede the teaching hospitals to these companies, in addition to some HMOs live THT, Mansard, Avon etc, let's see if Johesu would still be a thing. Once we see Government institutions, we see it as a means to cause undue chaos and arrogate undeserved importance to ourselves. The Civil service that everyone is fighting to have a piece of is not sustainable. Lagos state that is approving consultant this and that, would be the first to privitized their health care system, leaving many fake consultants with a bloodied nose and a bruised teeth. Learn and move ahead. Doctors are leaders. Below is a John Hopkins pharmcy residency video. It's also ends by affirming that doctors are leaders
naijaking1: A doctor's job also includes teaching and education of others. Especially, JOHESUS members who suddenly think that they are physicians too.
same way a medical lab scientist in the dept of medical microbiology trains and educates medical students.
MrBigiman: I think Johesu members have a long way to go. Lab scientist go to Australia and can only at best be given a lab technician title, thats after a regorious scrutiny that sees less than 5 entering the system in a decade. And we feel it's complacent because MLSD will make us Doctors in Nigeria. Can u work up to a hospital in nearby Ghana and be regarded to as a Doctor.
Today I was in a forum were scientist were complaining because a Doctor mentioned that he is a Clinical Scientist, and they claimed the Doctor was overstepping his boundary, as only MLS could use such title. Such a big mess. Meanwhile scientists are calling themselves Chiefs, General practitioners, and Pathologist, titles which are exclusive to medics and no one is crying black blood. Such a shame of a Country.
Doctors are drivers of the industry and Medical Educators by right, and we will not sit in the background and allow glorified technicians muddle things up.
I wonder how the relationship with the scientist in your hospital will be. This is the reason why biomedical scientists do have problems with physicians here in Nigeria, even right from university days.
MrBigiman: The part way for Nigerian Doctors to work abroad is clear. Write their board exams and get certified. No extra training. The partway for other healthcare professionals is clumsy, except nurses. Pharmacist have to do a full 52weeks retraining even with the bogus PharmD. It's a big shame for our system. Lab Scientist have to relinquish their megalomanic title to become technicians in Australia and phlebotomist in US. It's a jungle out there man. MBBS trumps it all and all the time.
you don't even know the reason why they're assessed as technicians instead of scientists. well, AIMS webpage is there. But seriously, stop acting like you know all about biomedical science. BMLS and MBBS are both different and distinct profession
MrBigiman: Man up and show us a link. I know lab scientists finally accepted are at best taken as technicians in Australia. And very very few lab Scientist from Nigeria are working in Australia.
i have a personal person who's a med lab scientist at Australia. Most taken as technicians is due to the difficulty of the questions asked. And yet you've been acting like MLS is so simple and easy. I think it's better not to talk about what we don't know because you're obviously not in the field
MrBigiman: I am currently assisting a Lab Scientist in the UK pathway. Check all over nairaland and see whether there's a topic like that, Check for nurses, check for Doctors. Then go figure why it's so. Lab technicians are going nowhere, except to be phlebotomists in US. If u need help though, I may be moved to assist.
I don't know much about emigration to UK for medical scientists but that of Australia, you can search it out on nairaland. A lot of them are already practicing in Australia
MrBigiman: Read the pathway I was trying to re-emphasize. The term Pathologist is strictly a medical Doctor. Post graduate train for Doctors and scientist is organised by the same college. Biomedical science is also a different course and some school run such programs, but MLS keep suppressing them
biomedical science is the same as medical lab science. there are two forms of biomedical sciences in the U.K, the one accredited by IBMS and the one not accredited. The accredited one is clinically oriented while the other isn't
MrBigiman: Now Check out the board Royal College of Pathologist that regulate laboratory practice in UK, comprising of Pathologist (Medical Doctors), Medical Scientists (MLS), and Biomedical Scientist ( Which MLS has kicked out of Business). That college has been headed by Medical Doctors since inception, and no one is striking and asking for autonomy. Below is a link to the current leadership of royal college of pathologist.
MrBigiman: Don't mind those kids my brother. I have seen several support course come back to read medicine, and when they do, they profess that they really weren't studying anything initially.
you really think it's easy to pass in biomedical science department without studying extremely hard?
MrBigiman: My guy go and rest, haba now. I know a Lab science students who kept packing carry overs like a military medal. She eventually managed to finish. I have to contact with her, but I am sure she'll be somewhere agitating for parity with Doctors. My guy, try and rest. Lab science is not a course. Nobody, except academically deficient or couldn't meet up medicine or pharmacy or is afraid of failing picks up that course. Congrats u are one, but doesn't make it a sort after course in anyway. 5year of academic mediocrity, now seeking for 6.
I so much doubt this information. Here at lautech, there's nothing like carryover in the department. Once a student gets an F grade in any course, he/she automatically repeats that level. Back then in 100L days, over 20 students had to cross out because of one F grade
naijaking1: The tragedy here is that an old, most beloved, and respected profession like nursing in Nigeria will be hijacked by unreasonable, but loud mediocre professionals like the medical lab techs who do nothing but agitate as a hobby. Once again, I know, because I used to be one of them. JOHESUS 's only motive is to equalize their pay, not their work load with those of the doctors. A fraud that only happens in Nigeria. Ask yourself how did nurses get involved with JOHESUS in the first place?
So nice you'd bring up Akunyili. She aspired to the top of her profession, JOHESUS wants to apire to the top of another person's profession, because all they think about is the money, not the education, responsibility, or work load.
You got to be proud of any profession you chose. Professional jealousy is like persoanl jealousy-evil.
By harmony, do you mean professional identity crisis where med lab techs wake up in the morning thinking that they too are physicians? That's not harmony, that a misconception that is better ended. Nurses know more, do more, and earn more than med techs here in NYC, but in Nigeria, the reverse maybe the case, because what started as a joke when I was studying med lab tech in Nigeria in the 1980s has attracted and consumed the reverend nursing profession. Nightingale would be disappointed.
I'm assuming you studied medical lab technology because definitely from all your comments, you never obtained d B.MLS degree....why so much hatred for d biomedical science profession?
MrBigiman: Any difference in result. I currently have a BMLS and a MLT in my hospital, and sincerely theres no difference. The BMLS only collect fatter salary for nothing. Both produce LFT, EUCr, FBC, glycated HB, PSA results which I need. If not that we need a scientist for profiling, I would have gotten only technicians.
but when it comes to performing complex tests, the scientist will be needed especially when a pathologist is absent
MrBigiman: I've been in the Medical profession for a while. There's no difference in the result they produce or in their output in the Lab. One is just fat portfolio.
the scientist is more exposed to physiology, anatomy,biochemistry, pharmacology and pathology unlike the technician who spends just three years at college of health technology
MrBigiman: 65years for what, when NMA haven't even asked for 65yrs. Johesu is actually a crazy group, always putting their eyes in other people's progress. The way they ask for these things show their jealousy. In their leaders words "we want our retirement age to be increased to 65yrs as was done for University workers", are u a University worker?, also " We want our Conhess scale adjusted as was done for Doctors", are u also a Medical Doctor. Which hospital in any advanced Country is runned by a Pharmacist, Lab Technician or Nurse, when a Doctor is there. We only have Doctor led hospitals vs hospital administrator led hospital, of which the administrator is not even a health worker, so why do they want to distort the narrative. Finally the top 5 hospital in the world has Doctors as CEO, these include John Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic etc. So why don't we emulate the best?
Lab technicians ain't at same level with medical lab scientists... I'm sure you wanted to say medical lab scientists because both are different with different curriculum
MrBigiman: First change ur name to MLSD. Second as long as u are lurking around teaching hospitals, doing bench work but seeking to be a leader, u are a technician. Scientists are in research and their extra qualification has no place in improved patient care.
are doctors specializing in lab medicine also technicians then?
MrBigiman: keep mentally psyching urself. Zoology use the same 5 credits too. Medical student consistently have the highest cutoff point for the past 20yrs and even several grading bodies has tagged MBBS one of the most demanding courses in the world. Most of this ugly fight is for the unsustainable civil service, if not I see no reason why MLSD would be accredited for lab technicians, when even if u open a private hospital u won't need one as it's superfluous and redundant to pay more to someone who wouldn't add any extra value. Do urself a favour, type MLSD on Google and see that no single country in the world does that trash, even Wikipedia has no record of it. Our jealousy will leave us with a Country with no health sector.
sir, kindly google.search DCLS(doctorate in clinical laboratory science)....and by d way, MLS.D is for medical lab scientists, and not technicians
emperormossad: No matter the acclaim by all other health care workers about a so-called re orientation, th truth remains clear. If you want to treat sick people, simply put medicine and surgery in your jamb form. Put your head down and pay the price. Then come out as the certified professional capable of treating people. Sick people come to you for possible solutions to their problems. If a health care team, the medical doctor remains the leader. Of course health care is diverse, considering the myriads of man's life and his illnesses, but the doctor remains the go to guy. I've never seen anyone coming to the hosp to look for lab tech or sumfin. They first hit the gp. No pretender will come in through the window in the name of treating sick people. Jamb still dey.
well...there's a clear difference between lab techs nd medical lab scientists
Health › Re: JOHESU Earns My Respect By Pharm(dr) Amukamara by bmlsbmls: 11:22pm On Jun 04, 2018
