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Whether he was lying or not doesn't make him not insensitive to the prevailing situation, although you highlighted that point, but he knew the potential of his presentation. He must have known about the possible reaction from muslem extremists. Thats the real issue here.

I am yet to hear some christians on this forum reminding us of the millions that were killed under the crusades of the Roman catholic church. Ever heard of the Spanish inquisistions?

Go check that history.

@ Analytical

Your testimony which was a beautiful one, reminds me of the saying, "at man's extremity is God's opportunity"

@ Oyebanji07

And the strange thing is that true bible-believing christians were once a target of the popes' wrath in times past. Similar crusades were carried out against christians who stood up against falsity and error.

While I might not share all the view points of muslems, how the present pope went about doing his historical presentation re the development of Islam was un-called for, especially in the light of what might have been expected if such a message was mis-understood by the more passionate muslems.

We are yet to hear of an apology from the pontif. Don't hold your breath because he is infallible it is believed.

@ Segoye2

@ Bobbyaf,
Several Miracles like?

I wouldn't know exactly mi amigo. I was hoping you would share with the fora, anything you personally experienced.

@ Bari_kade

@Bobbyaf,

I thought you'd grow up like a man and move on from these petty stuff. Wetin happen?? Can't you let a matter rest and move on gracefully, instead of sweating it out to prove the obvious? I have also met many, many SDA members who are very pugnacious; and your efforts are just confirming that all the more.

Leave all this yanga and be a man and let's get on with more constructive entries on the Forum!

@4get_me,
Point made - leave him to keep up with whatever is his worry. Shahan's advice should just be fitting here; she has gracefully moved on and left the rest to the Lord to deal with. Peace brother, and God bless!

So you are not wishing me peace and God's blessing too? only goes to show how much hatred you have and pretence in what you're not.

Well, allow me to wish you God's blessing despite your impertinence. 

@ 4get_me

@Bobbyaf,

You're very childish on top of everything. In my travels, I have personally witnessed SDA members who are very belligerent, prejudicial and prejudging people whom they don't even know, use words and statements carelessly without a clue what they mean, and can't endure admonition for correction. If you admit all these describe you, then keep it up and continue proving my point.

Not only are you childish, but plain mischievous, and a hypocrite on top of all that! So what if you met SDAs who resisted your attempt to evade the truth! Telling me this doesn't make you truthful, but instead deliberately subjective.

You should have realised by now that your vain attempt to bully me will not work, and I have a funny feeling you will live to realize your endless folly.

Carry on with your mischief!

@ 4get_me

@Bobbyaf,

Well, you have proven your point: infact, all SDA people I have met in all my travels are belligerent. And if you're equating your attitude to the apostle Paul's deportment, you probably have another Bible.

Well, I figure those SDAs you have met were prepared to defend truth at the risk of being called belligerent, just like myself. Big deal! Label all you desire, the truth will face you one fine day.

Keep dodging, you're doing a wonderful job of it

Have a nice evening bari_kade. May the Lord be with you.

Shalom.

@Bobbyaf,

You're making matters worse for yourself; and while going through the threads it only just dawned on me that you actually have issues with shahan - because she had withstood you to the face in another thread and called you a liar, and that must have hurt your male pride.

I have no issues with Shahan. I just have a problem with people mis-represnting my ideas. I have no male pride or any other such thing that suits your fancy. Besides, I have no problem with people disagreeing with my ideas, just as long as they don't twist them to suit an argument.

There was just no need for you to sweat it out and seek to "reprimand" her! If she has acknowledged people's concern for her passion and moved on, what are you really gaining by seeking to launch all this harpoon and do yourself more damage? I haven't even seen anyone accusing her of being "nasty", and maybe you can direct me to that line.

I must ask you the same question. Why are you here harping about this and that? Why must you add more fuel to the fire since your'e so concerned?  Well go ask her about that. I read about it not too long ago and this was expressed by more than one persons. See the following:

By Grouppoint, under the thread "Who was Jesus before He became a man"
"Shahan, Whilst exchanging your views, it may interest you to know that you are ministering to some of us. So a little christ-like or mohammed-like character would help your cause. Shahan, personally, I am quite impressed by your understanding of the word. But it seems beclouded by a certain anger towards your moslem brothers and their beliefs. Afterall, did Jesus not say; love those that despise you?"

By Genial in the same thread: "It is one thing to argue, exchange ideas and have fun, and it is another thing altogether to go out of your way to be nasty."

I am not saying that because people say those things that they are true. It only goes to show that people are capable of saying anything.

It is no longer surprising that you're only behaving characteristically as SDA members do. They don't appreciate anything good in others except themselves and their own cult, and are very quite often ready to prejudge people they know nothing about!

Which makes you a liar because you don't know all SDAs. So who is malacious and belligerant now? No one but you! The very same things you are so quick to judge others on, you yourself are very much guilty of, and its very much obvious also that that makes you a hypocrite on top of all that. So stop making a liar of yourself, and worse yet a hypocrite.

Just pack it in and move forward. If you can't, then continue hurting your chauvanistic pride all the more - it might do you some good in the end.

Hahahahahaha, you must have been the joker in Batman!  

You're a loser and you know it.

@ Segoye2

Well, to me, God gave me a gift of life which I still enjoy even up to the point of my replying this post.

So true indeed! God restores our breath each and everyday according to His will. Let Him be praised.

So is worth celebrating. But addressing the issue of Miracles from the other way round, am not blind or something, so it makes me feel, the type of miracles we are talking about is not applicable in my case.

Agreed! To each his own.

I have had several miracles in my life over the years. Looking back each time reminds me of God's goodness to me personally.

@ bari_kade

You actually were prejudicial and biased by trying to judge pastors who you happen not to know. If 4get_me pointed that out of love to you, and you can't accept it, you're making me believe that SDA members are precisely what he said they are - belligerent; and I have personally seen that happen among many SDA members.

No I wasn't Bari_kade. I wasn't judging anyone, and you know that, so please don't put words in my mouth. Let me repaet for emphasis. If you go back to my use of Matthew 24:24 you'd see the point I raised. It was a general warning about the reality of false teachers working miracles. It would be stupid on anyone's part to suggest that I was attacking pastors simply because I raised a concern to be careful about the reality of false teachers using counterfeit miracles to decieve people.

So don't join others in foolishly arguing for arguing sake. I have no time for that.

Oh come on, Bobby. . . in the first place people can see that you're trying to attack shahan.

Prove it if you can anyway! I have seen on this very forum where people have reprimaned Shahan for being nasty. How come you never stepped in to make commentery. She herself excused the behaviour by saying she was merely being passionate. Yet when I get passionate you accuse me.

Well, tough luck friend, say what you choose to it I will speak my mind regardless.

In the second place, you sound so very confused that you're beginning to let your seething rage blind you. How has 4get_me become Malik?? The brother m4malik hasn't even been on the Forum in quite a while!!

Sorry Malik!

I think you need more grace to calm down and not become so maliciously blind to reason.

And you I figure don't need more grace? So all-of-a-sudden you're all full of grace now? Speaking of being malicious, who is being malicious now? You who seek to put down people who choose to speak what you and your friends on this forum disagree with. Well, I m not going to allow you, or those who think like you to shut me up.

You'd better get used to it.

Most of those types of problems can be easily solved using nutrition and exercise. If you understand the physiology of the skin, it is important to know that vitamin C is the raw material for new skin. It is used up to restore the skin's cartilage.

Rememebr a stretch mark is a line or mark that is caused when the elasticity of the skin is lost, so that stretched portion of the skin leaves a mark. Fortunately, it can be reversed in time with good nutrition and exercise. The body has an amazing ability to restore itself, so all we have to do is give it the material it needs to do its job.

If there is anyone having the problem just give me a link at bobbyaf@msn.com, and I will be too glad to share relevant info with you. I have helped people before.

If thats His point, then i'll disagree. if u have enough insulin production/supply in your system, sugary foods wont be harmful.

Thats where the danger lies when the body is called upon to over produce insulin. After awhile the constant production gets les and less. After awhile heart and blood vessel problems set in. For every time that a person ingest processed sugar, the pancreas becomes burdened with having to produce far more insulin than is necessary.

The body produces less insulin when we ingest complex carbs. These complex carbs have a time-released mechanism that constantly feeds our blood supply with the necessary glucose, which doesn't require too much insulin release. In the case of processed sugar the insulin release becomes greater, and hence more damage to the heart and blood vessels. This also leads to hypo-glycemia at all times when processed sugar is used.

Eventually diabetes sets in, especially type 2. This type is lifestyle related.

Blessed be God that you have found Him.

@ segoye2

Do you have a miraculous testimony you'd like to share?

@ segoye2

I will like to note some comments here that our being alive today is a miracle; yes it is a miracle but were they the miracles we read about on the papers? watch in TV / video tapes? With the scripture quoted eealier on the thread, And with the scriptural knowledge we got, how do we interpret or understanding the passage?

Would you like to describe those miracles you read about in the papers, or saw on TV?

Personally, I have my doubts about people who go about claiming to heal anyone, and I have reasons for saying so. There have been cases when most of these miracles so-called were staged. There have been cases when even the FBI in the US went in search for itinerary preachers who frauded the people of their hard-earn cash.

Some years ago Oral Roberts claimed that if he didn't get millions God would call him home, whatever that meant.   Here is a man who claims to be a man of God, using God to get money.

Can you imagine preachers who have supposedly healed people in their ministry running a prostitution ring? This is the kind of circus-running drama to which I bring your attention, and that is exactly why Jesus warned us to pay keen attention, lest we become targets of their deception.

I am not surprised if it happens even in Nigeria. Its all about fleecing people of their money, not to be used in God's cause per se, but to fill their pockets.

On a more lighter note, do you have a miraculous testimony to share? I will share some with you after you begin.

@Bobbyaf,

A word is enough for the wise; but it appears you really don't have the wisdom that recognizes simple issues. Here's a line of concern in yours:

Now I don't have the wisdom? And you do?

Quote from: Bobbyaf on Today at 02:33:04 AM
The use of scripture was not mentioned as proof that certain pastors were false teachers, since I don't happen to know any of them in particular, at least not in Nigeria itself. They were mentioned just to throw "caution to the wind" The fact that Jesus warned of false teachers means that such warnings were meant to be mentioned, if not by me, but anyone else for that matter.

Precisely! Let me repeat my use of scripture was not to judge individuals or persons I do not know, but was used to bring over a general point, that false teachers are for real who use miracles to decieve. If you or Shahan cannot understand something as simple s that, then so be it.

It's sad that you're so acridly prejudicial in your remarks when you have no facts to sustain or defend your inferences. How can you pre-judge people that you don't happen  to know at all??

You know what is sad? You and your friends on this forum who think you own the forum. You feel as if anything I say must be seen from your eyes only. Don't even menton being prejudicial, because that is exactly what you're displaying right this minute with your constant nagging and fussing over nothing. Guys like you when faced with opposition tend to behave like this anyway, so I am not the least surprised. If you were a real christian you'd show more grace, rather than attack concepts you find difficult to accept.

And your idea that Scripture mentions anything "just to throw caution to the wind" speaks volumes to the fact that you don't know the Word. The idiom "to throw caution to the wind" simply means "to take a risk" or "to behave or speak very rashly"!! So, in your inflated ego, your own Bible speaks about an issue for the purpose of behaving or speaking very rashly?

Thanks for the correction about the use of the phrase. Not sure why I used that phrase anyway. The point still stands however, that false teachers are out there and we must be careful how they use miracles to decieve.

You may think you're attacking someone, in this case shahan, and yet have no clue that your exercise is backfiring. If God is working in your heart, be careful that you don't twist or ridicule His holy Word in the hope that you're justifying your efforts in attacking someone.

Listen to me carefully Malik, if you have nothing good to say keep your mouth shut. Stop spreading lies about my attacking Shahan. You seem to be a trouble maker with nothing constructive to do. Why not add to the thread rather than come seeking trouble? Oppose if you will, and I welcome it, but never attempt to allign my character. It only goes to show that you have no defence, but can only resort to character assasination.

If you, or Shahan can't stand the heat leave the kitchen. I will not be apart of your clique on this forum, of people who have no mind of ther own, and are afraid to say no when its called for, and I will speak my conscience whenever, and wherever it is called for.

Have a productive day!

@ Shahan

Hahahahaha, you are so funny. , carry on with your mischief.

@ 4get_me

I wonder if you have issues with shahan?

Keep wondering brother!

It's very perculiar that almost all the SDA members I have come across in my travels are very belligerent.

Far from it. If you see defence of truth as being aggressive then thats too bad. I wonder how you'd see St. Paul in action. At least I prefer being spiritually aggressive than playing the hypocrite.

Is God working in your life at all??

What do you think? Is He working in your life? You make sure of that before posing that question, but I thank you anyway for the concern.

Bless.

May I say this:

(a) when anyone wants to judge another pastor as fake or as a false teacher, such a person should remember that judgement awaits him as well.

HHmmmnnn! I wonder why Jesus inserted those words of warning in scriptures if He knew that our quoting them would be seen by some as judging others? I wonder at times about your mind Shahan. 

(b) using some verses of Scripture to "prove" that another pastor is a false teacher without established facts is hypocrisy.

The use of scripture was not mentioned as proof that certain pastors were false teachers, since I don't happen to know any of them in particular, at least not in Nigeria itself. They were mentioned just to throw "caution to the wind" The fact that Jesus warned of false teachers means that such warnings were meant to be mentioned, if not by me, but anyone else for that matter.

(c) those who are emphatically opposed to miracles everytime they are mentioned somehow manage to reveal that they wouldn't be able to tell a genuine one from a false one.

Like for example? I for one am for miracles. I see it everyday. I listen to christians sharing them. The latter part of your remarks would no doubt apply to you, since you seem so un-concerned that there can be false miracles, and more so because Christ mentioned a warning. 

(d) if the complainers are not happy with the miracles occuring in others' ministries, they should get theirs and put their mouth where it belongs.

And what are those miracles might I ask? Were any mentioned here of significance?

@ omogenaija

since i'm still alive that means that mircales have been happening everyday, and will continue to happen in Jesus name.

Very much true! , what bigger miracle there is than life itself. I figure though the author of the thread had his sight on different kinds of miracles.

@ Shahan

Many thanks. I have just come to the very same thing, but wondered if anyone shared that with me - and that's why I asked the question. Blessings.

Where in any of your response did you indicate that you came to the same thing? Besides, your having asked the question had nothing to do with any of my responses. As usual you felt compelled to ask a stupid question that had no relevance to the purpose of my response, in keeping with the thread's topic.

@ Shahan

I hope you're not showing off your R-IQ? The question was simple and straight forward, and if you have no answers, you didn't need to make it obvious.

Please go back to my first response blind barthemius.