There is no excuse mr godson, your trinity god is so funny. Who is God afraid of ? Huh ?  Why couldn't he forgive once and for all without spilling the blood of an innocent man. Jesus never wanted to die, see luke 22:42

Because God's everlasting law was broken and since God could not change His standards, and rather than compromise justice, someone had to pay the penalty of a broken law that led to sin.

He could have removed the requirements of the broken law, but that is not how God operates. God's government would have been compromised, and Satan would have had just cause to blame Him, as he did in heaven. Recall that there was war in heaven due to Satan's rebellion.

Satan's desire is to make us think that God's government cannot be trusted, and that His laws are not capable of being kept since the Law giver Himself cannot be trusted.

Well, the Father and Son agreed to redeem man through the voluntary death of His Son, without having to compromise His justice system. The rest is history.
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@ Abuzola

Why would god kill his son for snners, innocent son. The son even cried for such neglience mathew 27:46. What a wicked god is the christian god

If you had a choice between saving your son, and seeing a train load of people perish, by attempting to save your son, what would you do? Save your son or save those people?

God didn't force His Son to come and suffer for us Abuzola. His Son chose to come and suffer in order to prevent sin from spreading throughout the universe. The Deity could have done away with sin and sinners in a moment if they so desired and it would have been their right to do so, but because God is love, and since the only way to save humans was by sending His Son, He did it.

Justice and mercy met at the cross.

@Bobbyaf

Isn't it one god manifesting himself in three ways ? Or it is three different separate gods ?

The word God is what is confusing people. Let me give you an analogy. Every member of the British monarchy is referred to as "your Majesty"

The term God can be seen in that respect. Its a title that describes all the attributes of all the members of the Deity.

@gonson, your god died in pieces, he died with criminal and was pierces. Is this what you are proud of ? Not even the hindu will tell you that their god died. Christianity my foot

So your problem is not that He died, but rather God having to die for us humans. What does that reveal to you about the true God? Yes, God so loved the world that He was willing to give up His Son to become one of us, and to suffer the worst suffering ever meted out to humans, so that you Abuzola can have life everlasting.

Let me ask respectfully. What has your religion taught you about how Allah has proven His love?

God sacrificing himself to himself so that he can forgive us of our sins.

No! God the Father sacrificed His Son who also shares the same title of God. God is not a name but a title.

Did Jesus ever claim to be God? Please review these:

The words of Jesus:

John 8:40: “, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.”

John 17:3: "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

Mark 13:32:"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

John 5:19: "Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does”

John 14:28: "You heard me say,'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

John 20:17: "Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them,'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”

Mark 10:18: “Do not call me good, only God is good.”

Guys from the foregoing there can be NO DOUBT, that Jesus NEVER, NOT EVEN FOR ONE SECOND, regarded himself as God. Notwithstanding anything the hero-worshipping Apostles will tell you. But even they said a lot to show that they didn’t think so –

1Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 1:3: “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Acts 2:22 - “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.”

Acts 2:36: “God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Let’s face it: the Trinity was created by the Roman Catholic Church and not Jesus Christ, and now people are ready to die to affirm the truth of it, disregarding Jesus’ own words.

So beware: calling him God – or “part of God” – is definitely blasphemy.

Do not confuse Jesus' humility and complete submission with what He is. In order to have saved mankind from sin, He who is "the express image of His Father", and "who thought it not robbery to be equal with God, and made Himself of no reputation" had to do what He had to do.

Jesus was fully man who had to divest Himself of all divinity in order to prove to humankind that it was possible to be true to God. He was the second Adam. In fact He, Jesus had all the weaknesses and propensities that the first Adam didn't have, yet He was successful in not sinning.  

John 1:14 makes it abundantly clear who Jesus was before He "became flesh and dwelt among us"

Who created the creator ?

I am not in a position to say.

However I believe that the Mormons teach that our present God was created by a much bigger God. They believe in what is called "the evolution of God" because our present God was once a man who evolved into God over time.

Of course that is only a delusion on their part.

More delusions. . .was jesus not a hypocrite according to the stories written about him. . he told people not to call each other fools but went about calling people fools. . .he could not even practice what he was preaching accoring to the story. . .

That is because Jesus was God on earth, and whose life was sinless and who had the authority to know when a person is truly a fool. A person can say they do believe in God but their lives run contrary to those words. Only God can read the heart.

He warned us not to call anyone a fool, because by so doing you're saying they don't know God, which is a means of passing judgment on someone, and secondly you are placing yourselves in God's position of judge of every heart.

David once said under inspiration "the fool hath saith in his heart there is no God"

So if a person's words and life deny the existence of God then such a person is a fool.

@ Atheist

Doesn't it bother you that in the bible light is created before the stars and the sun ? Doesn't it bother you that in the bible the plants are created before the sun ? Where did the light come from ?

Bear in mind that all living things were created in mature form, including plant life. The 24 hour period had to be literal, or else life on earth would have been affected by extreme cold temperature, since cold is really an absence of heat.

The light energy that was put in place on day one served as energy for plant life even before the sun was put in place.

Muslims and Christians can you back up your claim to truth with life testimonies? How does one measure truth? How does one define truth if one has never experienced a change in one's life? Truth is not only about saying what you think it is. Truth leads to a practical outcome. It sets you free if not in body, but in mind.

Did you become a Muslim, or Christian by virtue of your being indoctrinated or because of an experience you had with God?

Is religion all about debates only, or is it more about the positive changes that people experience when they come into contact with the Creator of the universe?

So what is the point debating each other when you do not know God personally? Because in truth and in fact if the lives you display on this forum is anything to judge some of you by, then its safe to say, there has been no real conversion.

What is your love testimony Muslim, or Christian?

When will Christians and Muslims alike learn not to argue and curse about religion? Look into yourselves and say whether your God approves of such behaviour.

Muslims if your heart is cold and bitter then that is a reflection of your relationship with your God. The bible says "as a man thinketh so is he"

Christians the same applies to you. Is it that difficult to reason in a civilized manner? What I have come to realize is that people need something to identify with. Some choose Islam, or Christianity and even though their lives are not reflective of its tenets, they cling to it anyway. They love religion but have no love for one another.

@ Abuzola

Senseless ! Show us trinity in the bible amd save your plagarized lies, if a man has 3 wife he equally becomes a trinity concept, christianity and their false teaching. Trinity doesn't exist till in the 20th century. I guess paul forgot to put it down. Hahaha Allah ya gyara

The bible accounts for the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. There you have three!

This is the question which led me to atheism. Because if the bible is wrong about where we are coming from why should l trust it about where we are going ?

What does the absence of the sun on the first day of creation have to do with each day being 24 hours long? The sun didn't make the day. God did. The sun as an created entity itself was given to help us measure the day, among its varied purposes.

Let me ask you a simple question. Of the three persons that comprise the Deity, who will the redeemed see when they get to heaven? Just want your thought on it.

@ Perrito4u

Bobbyaf I saw a posting on the Trinity. Why would the whole plan of salvation be fraudulent and suspicious? Would you explain yourself, please.

I have already explained it in my rejoinder. Please go and reread my point.

*Doesn’t Rev 3:14 talks about Jesus being the first created by God? So if he was created how can he be God? – Colossians 1:15

Neither passages say Jesus was created. You're reading that thought into the scriptures. You cannot isolate a few passages, and then read into them what you think they are saying. The thumb of rule is to understand the context of the writer. What were the authors really trying to say about Jesus.

Let us analyze the passages.

Revelation 3:14 says, "14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God, "

This simply means that Jesus is the source or beginning of the creation since He is God. The Father and Son are both God. They share the same substance of deity. They both share the same attributes. However, Jesus took on the role of Creator, among other roles. Listen as John 1:1-3 put it, "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made, "

Who made all things according to John? The WORD!!!

And who is the WORD? Listen to John again in verse 14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, "

*Jesus was obedient in heaven and sent by de Father – John 8:42; 12:49

Jesus volunteered. He had a choice and "made Himself of no reputation" according to Paul in Philippians 2.

*Obedient in earth(obedient to who?) and his father is greater – John 14:28; 5:19; Heb 5:8

Greater in what sense? Because Jesus played a role of humility, and to set an example for fallen humans, He had to surrender to His Father in every aspect of His humanity. Don't confuse the real issues. Let me give you an example. If a king chooses to become a beggar under disguise, does that say He is not the king? He is still the king, correct?

When Jesus who "is God", according to John 1, and "who thought it not robbery to be equal with God", according to Philippians 2, became human it didn't make Him less of who He was before in terms of title. In terms of substance He became a man, and took on flesh in order to suffer and die. Hence as a man He had to humble Himself before His Father.

*God is the Head - 1 Cor 11:3; John 20:17; Rev 1:6

Both are God, but in terms of role play, the Father became head.

*2 Corinthians 4:4 says “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” By ‘god of this age’ he means Satan, don’t u agree? So if Satan is called a God, isn’t Jesus greater than him? the fact that Jesus is called in the Bible a god doesn’t mean anything because Satan is also called a God. Jesus is an image of Jehovah not the almighty himself.

Jesus is called a God in your translation which is an incorrect rendition. If the Father is God, and the Son is another but inferior God, then that makes two Gods. Your problem is not being able to reconcile that error. There is One God. That title belongs to both Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Its one title that belongs to all three persons.

*Sure Jesus said him and the father where one but he also explained in which way John 17:21-23 says: “21 I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. 22 “I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one. 23 I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.” Was Jesus really praying for his disciples to become, literally, one person?

The word one means unity. The prayer of Jesus had to do with the oneness of purpose.

IN reality the word God highlights that unity, and will remain a mystery to those who fail to see its true meaning. The closest meaning that comes to it is the word government. In the scheme of things each member of the heavenly government has a part to play.

Posted by: KunleOshob

@Tonye-t
I see you are back to spread your false, evil and fraudulent doctrine of tithes in christianity Angry please note i would be around to to prove from scriptures that all your hallucinations about tithes are purely doctrines of men without sound scriptural basis.

Well, find a passage that says we shouldn't return a faithful tithe, and we will accept it.

It is also an embarassment to christianity as you tithes preachers are attempting to turn christianity to a false religion via marmon worship which christ warned us against. That apart i would also like to remind you that the tithes which the pharisees gave [not paid] in your favourite Matthew 23:23 [which you love mis-interrpreting] was mint and cumin[agricultural produce] NOT shekels or any other form of money that was being spent then. Tithing today remains the biggest fraud in christianity and by extention the history of mankind and no matter how much you so called christians try to twist the scriptures the truth is already out and God's Judgement shall prevail on those who twist his word to fleece the flock and make money 2peter 2:1-3

If tithing is the biggest fraud then why is it that those organizations who practice it are not prosecuted?

Besides, tithing is not limited to mint and cummin. Listen to what Jacob promised, "And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee."

So whatever the Lord blesses you with in the form of an increase, then simply tithe it.

@ talks

Before the law, there were tithes.

And that is why tithing is more a principle that is motivated by selflessness.

When the law came, there were instructions by the law to tithe.
It was based on the instructions by the law to tithe that the people under the law tithed.

Don't forget that the law didn't really come per se, but was transcribed. The principle of the law always existed. Geneses 26:5 speaks of Abraham obeying God's law, statutes, etc. If there were no laws and statutes before Moses, then what did Abraham keep?

It is also very clear that every encouragement or motivation to tithe which currently happens is based on what the law said.

So what motivated Jacob and Abraham to tithe?

Christ himself also said that tithes were part of the law (Matthew 23:23).

Yet He never once discouraged its practise. In fact He encouraged its practise.

Now any body who needs to settle it for himself/herself whether to tithe or not to tithe as a Christian has to understand the law and its complete distinction,seperation and difference from the new covenant.

Ttaks listen carefully. The only difference between the Old Covenant, and the New Covenant is the circumstances under which each were ratified. A covenant is an agreement between one or more parties. The agreement part has certainly not changed. Whatever God agreed to with Israel is still agreeable to us as Christians. God desires that we keep His laws and instructions, but when Israel failed based on their promise to "do all that the Lord has said", and failed because of their weakness and sinful tendencies, and even their continued failure to keep that covenant during their kingdom rule, God had promised that He would make a new covenant with the house of Israel and Judah. That covenant was not meant for gentiles. It was meant for God's people.

God's people persisted in their iniquities, and were led captive in Babylon for 70 years, and it was during their stay in Babylon that Daniel was shown a vision that spoke to the issue of God giving Israel one last opportunity to make things right in order to prepare for the Messiah. They were given 70 prophetic weeks, or 490 literal years beginning BC457, and which ended in AD 34, the very same year that Stephen was stoned to death, thus sealing the doom of Israel to continue bearing the divine oracles of God. In the very same year the covenant was renewed after Christ's death on Calvary, some 3 1/2 years later opened up the saving gospel to the gentiles on a larger scale.

So in essence the New Covenant is a renewed one, and is not so much a new one. Its the same agreement. Rather than seal it with the blood of animals it was sealed with the blood of Christ, and its promises were more secure, because this time its not we who are making the promises, but God and His Son. It is God who is placing the law in our hearts and mind. It is He who provides the power and grace to obey.

N/B: The new covenant is not a continuation or adjustment/editing/addition of the old covenant(Law); it is a completely seperate and new covenant.

My above explanation says the very opposite. The only thing that makes it different rather than new is that the promises made were different. However, its the very same agreement.

I agree, but there are people who will disagree because they fail to understand the true nature of sin, and the plan of salvation. They argue that because God has ultimate control then whenever disaster strikes, He is to blame. Add to that the countless stories of disasters and suffering that took place ever since the dawn of time.

But when you stop to take a good look it is mankind that has failed, and it is mankind that has wreaked havoc in this world. It is mankind's inhumanity to man, and its mankind's disrespect for natural laws that have caused to a great extent the unleashing of nature's wrath.

So floods, tsunamis, earthquakes, and other disasters have been made to materilize because of modern inventions that serve no real purpose.

Next to that is that sin has also had its bearing on the laws of nature itself. The 2nd law of thermodynamics makes it clear that the law of sin is real. Put simply the law is about the breakdown of nature. It speaks about the reality that things tend to move to a disorderly state naturally, rather than the opposite.

So for all those Atheists, and Agnostics, who argue that there is no Creator of life, even your own science is supporting what God said initially about sin, and what it will do.

@ Jahswill89

@bobbyfa i realy appreciate the fact that u are very conscious of your spirituality and have gone far to even find a true religion i appreciat u. but they is this one tin i want to ask u if u have gone tro reseach dis much.would u agree dat apart from the witnesses no other religious body both hear and abroad has achualy come out to tell the world the truth as much as the witness have.

There are countless other denominations that have done far more than the Witnesses. Besides, it would barely make a difference to quantify your work, if the quality of what you teach or preach doesn't match up with bible truth. Hence its never a question of who does more witnessing, but rather who is able to deliver the undiluted word of God without compromise or favour.

would u agree too dat the witness are only humans and not god himself do u also agree that apart from this prophecies that failed th e witnesse have brought out truths that have come to pass or dat is now fufiling?

I think you're missing the point. A true prophet cannot fail. You cannot make the claim to fame and when the rubber touches the road it amounts to failure. It doesn't happen that way in God's scheme of things.

let me stop hear now u tell me if u say the witnesse are false prophets i will like to knw if u have dicovered some beter truths somewere and if yes please tell me about it.

Jesus said "sanctify them through thy truth, thy word is truth" John 17:17

There is no better truth than the bible itself. Simply ask God to guide you into all truth. If you sincerely devote yourself to serious study, and ask God to guide you He will not fail you. The problem with most professed Christians is that they pay more attention to organizations than they do to God and His word.

Most organizations do not allow for independent thought. As soon as you discover a point of failure on their part where teachings and doctrines are concerned, they are not prepared to thrash it out. You dare not rock the boat.

@ dwonder

Jehovah’s Witnesses

Definition: The worldwide Christian society of people who actively bear witness regarding Jehovah God and his purposes affecting mankind. They base their beliefs solely on the Bible.

That is debatable.

What beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses set them apart as different from other religions?

Ok let us discuss them one by one. I hope you're prepared to be honest in your rejoinders.

(1) Bible: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, and instead of adhering to a creed based on human tradition, they hold to the Bible as the standard for all their beliefs.

There have been many instances when JW's have failed to utilize God's words to prove their teachings. The JW's failed prophesies are proof of that reality. The organization refers to itself as a prophet, yet has changed several of its teachings when it was discovered that the events didn't match up with the scriptures, as well as the predictions.

Another example is the teaching that speaks about the invisible coming of Jesus in 1914, when in truth and in fact Jesus as well as the apostles spoke of a literal return. In addition to that Jesus Himself said that no man knows the time of His second coming. He also pointed out that He and His angels would be coming in power and great glory and that the whole world would be made aware of such a return.

Matthew 24:30, 31 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Now tell where in this text does it speak of invisibility? Although the Greek word parousia also means presence, its most pronounced meaning is coming. In fact when Paul uses the word he uses it to speak of moving from one location to another. The angels in addressing the disciples at the Lord's ascension explicitly said that the Lord would come in like manner when He descends again the 2nd time. In other words He will be visible to all.

There are others I will point out later after your response.

(2) God: They worship Jehovah as the only true God and freely speak to others about him and his loving purposes toward mankind. Anyone who publicly witnesses about Jehovah is usually identified as belonging to the one group—“Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

I am a witness of Jehovah, but not a Jehovah's Witness. I hope you see the point I am making. By singling out Jehovah as the only true God, you're saying that Jesus isn't true. Listen to the problem you face. You all teach that Jesus is a god, based on the rendition of the New World translation. In other words Jehovah is God, and His Son who is a god isn't true. If the Son isn't true, then what does that make Him out to be? Your guess is as good as mine.

(3) Jesus Christ: They believe, not that Jesus Christ is part of a Trinity, but that, as the Bible says, he is the Son of God, the first of God’s creations; that he had a prehuman existence and that his life was transferred from heaven to the womb of a virgin, Mary; that his perfect human life laid down in sacrifice makes possible salvation to eternal life for those who exercise faith; that Christ is actively ruling as King, with God-given authority over all the earth since 1914.

You refer to Jesus as the first of God's creation to suggest that God created Jesus. Here's your problem. How could Jesus be creature and Creator all at once? Why would God the Father go against His own words, and attribute God-like authority to one of His creatures when He Himself says that He doesn't share any of His glory with any of His creatures?

According to John it was Jesus the logos who ", made all things"

Listen to Isaiah 42:8, "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another"

Obviously, the prophet no doubt was referring to God not sharing His glory with any of His creation, in the sense of not allowing any of His creation to attribute to themselves what rightfully belongs to Him. Hence why would God treat Jesus with partiality if he was merely one of His creation? But listen to Paul as He clarifies the whole matter.

Phil. 2:6, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, "

So there has to be a context in which Paul refers to Jesus as being the first-born of God's creation. That should not be limited, because of a failure to understand scriptures, to Jesus being the first to be created by God, and then endowing him with special powers. If that were the case then the whole plan of salvation would be fraudulent and suspicious. The reality is that only God could have died in the sinner's place, and not a creature. That is why the angel said that "He shall be called Emanuel", which being interpreted means, "God is with us" Jesus Christ is fully God. In fact I will push the envelope a little further. I will hasten to say that the prophet Isaiah when he spoke about The LORD, he was referring to Jesus. In reality Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead in body. It was He who manifested Himself before and among Israel, and my reason for concluding this is that from the very foundation of the plan to redeem fallen man, it was Jesus who decided to take on the role of Heaven's representative. It was He who delivered the law; it was He who delivered the Hebrew people; it was He who appeared to Abraham, and the patriarchs of old, including Moses at the burning bush.

I could go on but I will wait for your response.

I am yet to find anyone against tithing who can show a direct commandment against its continuation. The anti-tithers often argue that tithing is a levitical requirement, when in truth it predated such. Abraham as well as Jacob both returned a tithe to Melchizedek, the very order under which Christ now operates

So where did tithing come from in the first place? Was it initiated by God, or man? And why was it initiated? These questions need to be answered honestly. Its pointless arguing that something is wrong because it existed under the levitical system.

The fact is God raised up Israel to be an example to the rest of the world. They had in the past allowed foreigners to partake in their religious rites, because God's laws were never intended to be exclusive, a teaching that is held by most Christians. If ever there were a false teaching, that God somehow gave exclusive laws to Israel, then that sums it up. That was never the plan of God, and anyone who teaches that obviously doesn't understand the greater scheme of things.

So anti-tithers show me a text that says tithing has been abolished.

My take has always been this. If something is good do not replace it. None of you can argue against tithing from a biblical basis. All your arguments are self-generated. Its neither biblical nor practical.

Tithing is a long established principle that had its origin before there was ever a Jewish nation. Systematic giving requires a greater level of faithfulness on the part of those who give back what belongs to God. If it was holy then, it is holy now.

Abraham gave a tithe to the King-Priest called Melchizedek.

"18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all."

This passage predates any Mosaic or Jewish law. It highlights a principle that God later magnified during the Jewish system, but as far as some Christians are concerned anything Jewish must be either legalistic or bad. This is simply ridiculous, because it makes God look as if He is inconsistent, and only operates partially by giving laws only to the Jews that have no application to other dispensations.

The Christian church today operates on the same premise. It needs a principle of systematic giving that will prove the faithfulness of God's people to His cause, and the tithing is the perfect system to provide such a support. When God blesses you with health to work He stipulates that you return a 10th of your increase. That 10th is His. It doesn't belong to you. It is sacred money just as it was sacred and holy to the Lord in times past.

How is the tithe used you might ask? Its used to support the ministry, in which ministers of the gospel are paid. The offerings should be taken  up to pay church expenses, but the "tithe is holy unto the Lord".

Ministers today with their prosperity gospel are highly unethical. They are only concerned about money, and use the gospel as a front to cover up their real motive. Woe unto them! The tithing system prevents such a mockery of the gospel. No preacher has to beg people to give money for a worthy cause, if they already know and believe that the tithes are what God has ordained to initiate the blessing.

God simply commanded to bring all the tithes into His storehouse, or treasury. If you fail to do it you are a thief, and a robber. Enough said.

I didn't say it God did!

@ chukwudie

Matt 23:23
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices — mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Mr tonye -t ,I think the bold part says it all,tithe was part of the jewish law.

Was the priesthood system Jewish? Where in the NT does it say we must continue the priesthood system?

When Jesus made that statement,he had not yet died ,so tithe and other jewish rites of the law were still valid.

So why is it one is not able to find one statement saying that tithing was no longer valid? Why is it that the changes you speak of were not once mentioned by Jesus to His disciples. You'd think that that was the appropriate thing for Jesus to have done seeing that such changes were vital and important. Most Christians teach of many changes that have taken place in the era of the NT, yet when you ask them to furnish proof of change, they cannot.

Can you find a statement that suggests a change in tithing, and if there has been a change what has been put in place of it?

The only way you can validate tithe in contemporary christianity is to show where in the Bible tithe was practised after the death of Jesus christ.

The argument goes both ways. You cannot prove that it wasn't either.

@ imhotep

But what does that have to do with the topic?

@ Abzula

My God never die, not even once

We happen to believe that also, albeit from a different perspective. As I have been trying to explain the term God. To us Christians the term God means everything that embodies the nature and attributes of the members of the deity. One of those attributes is immortality.

If you believe the bible then you cannot deny that the prophets predicted that God would have sent a Saviour to save the world. Jesus' life and ministry fit the description of all those prophecies.

@ Abzula

Remember Abzula God is not one person. The word God is used to describe what embodies the attributes of divinity, which is shared by both members of the Godhead. Its like a circle in which are found both the Father and Son, a circle that is exclusive to both. So when one member became human, and was subject to death, and eventually died, the divine nature of the Son that was temporarily placed aside, effected the resurrection.

Remember, Jesus didn't die as God, but as man. God cannot die because He is immortal. Its pointless to argue that God died, when its impossible for that to happen.

I am sorry to say that all you Muslim haters and bashers are not true Christians. If you were born again Christians your approach to those of other belief systems would be better. This is what I hate about forums. Its like a hospital with sick and deranged persons who seek attention, and will do and say anything to get it.

To the poster don't listen to people who call themselves Christians, and who indeed are not. At no point in time did Christ bash the Samaritans for having a different belief system. Instead He lived the life that was a testimony to the truth. He addressed the woman at the well with respect and dignity. He really loved people, and that is what will ultimately distinguish those who know Christ from those who merely pretend.

Let me encourage you to search with all your heart. God knows every heart, and if you reach out to Him He will show you the way.

God bless!

@ alimat

Jesus said in the bible that The lord ur God is 1

But that doesn't mean that Jesus isn't God either. Any member of the Godhead is seen and understood as God, seeing that the word God is plural. Look at it this way. Jesus is the Son of God only in terms of what He represented while on earth. The role that Jesus played was exactly that, a role.

In the book of Genesis Moses said of God, "let us make man in our image" Yet we know that it was the Son Jesus who made all things according to John 1:2. The prophet said of Jesus that "all things were made by Him"

Either member could have done the creation, but the Father, and I am using the term symbolically here, using role play surrendered that role to the other member of the Godhead. So right throughout the Old Testament it was Christ who became heaven's representative.

Also worship the only True God
Also when he was perfuming his miracles he prayed to a father
and also when he was about to be captured in the night he prayed to a God that if the cup can pass over him for his father's will and not his
also when he was on the calvary he said father why have u forsaken me?
As lo Jesus said that he that send he is grater than him

That was because of His role as a human. In that role He had to demonstrate humility and obedience so that we could also be obedient and humble. Christ wasn't forced to do this. He chose to save mankind, and this process didn't only involve dying on a cross. it also included living the truth. His life was just as important as His death. In order to reveal that Satan's lies were indeed lies, He had to prove through His life and ministry that God's rules and instructions were not beyond man's abilities. Satan desires that humans be deceived into thinking that God's instructions cannot be obeyed, and that they were and are not given for man's benefits. Remember what he told Eve?

Pls if truly Jesus is that same God then who is he praying all this prayer to

As a complete human while on earth He had to pray. Remember He placed aside His divine abilities. Since it was expected for Him to pass the test that Adam failed, it wouldn't be fair for Jesus to have used His powers. In other words He had to completely divest Himself of divine powers and totally depend on His Father. That is why under such cruelty and agony meted out by the Roman soldiers, He couldn't defend Himself. He had to remain faithful to the very end so that you and I in this day and age can be apart of this great movement that leads men and women to a knowledge of the Father's love.

couples really told you how they make love? You either a pervert or a liar

They never had to tell me. Its obvious. Its either a male straps up or the female uses some device, or they will breed like guinea pigs.

Are you Catholic?

@ alimat 2

Pls i will like to know if the ONE TRUE GOD of the old testament that NOAH, ABRAHAM, JACOB, ISAIAH, ISSAC,MOSES and other men of God worship is still the same Trinity/Jesus of the new testament

becos the God of the new testament is Trinity/Jesus and the God of the old testament is ONE TRUE GOD CALLED JEHOVAH

Has the God change or its still the same?

That would depend on what you understand the term God[/b]to be. Its a title that befits both God and His Son. They are both deities.

The word God has been wrongly used to mean one person, because of the expression "one God" or "the Lord thy God is One"

Allow me to explain something. The word God is a collective noun, that exists in the plural form in Hebrew. A similar example would be the word "class" Its one class with several members. When you refer to the class you're referring to all its members.

[b]Elohim is the original word for the translated word "God" , which is plural. When Moses originally used the word "One" he was addressing the unity, or oneness, or intimacy of the members of the Godhead. Although God is comprised of different members, Father and Son, each having their own identity, and will, they function in perfect unity, each representing the virtues or qualities that befit the title. They are co-equal and co-eternal.

The Son however took on the role of humility and became a man so that He could save the fallen race. His life and ministry on earth were in perfect obedience to His Father's will and instructions, and some, like the Jehovah's Witnesses have mistakenly taught that Jesus was created by the Father. Nothing is more further from the truth however. They are confusing the role of Jesus with who He is, and what He did while on earth.

For those who should enter God's glorious and physical kingdom, it will be evidently clear that the Father and the Son are two distinct beings.

As to the question posed by the poster the answer is yes. Its the same God.

Good topic poster.

God is a God of order, and everywhere shows it. Indeed only fools who don't know God will argue otherwise. Their doom is certain and imminent.

The catholic church teaches that its wrong to use contraceptives. Is it a strategy used by the Catholic church to expand its membership, and then to turn around and boast about how large their membership is?

Are there catholic couples here in Nairaland who have used contraceptives in direct violation of their church's teachings? I know some who do, and when I ask why their response is that they cannot afford to do otherwise.

Is this another silly rule laid down by the church that is wreaking havoc among its membership?

What say ye fora?