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Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 6:33pm On Dec 11, 2016
This very regular looking building in London costs this much. If you were to erect a similar edifice in Lagos, it would definitely cost less. And even far less in Nairobi. But people who just wanna argue won't still see it. They know nothing about how the value of a terrain boosts the value of a property. They just wanna scream to feel good. Lagos real estate is far ahead of anything in Kenya. And you can quote me

Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 6:13pm On Dec 11, 2016
obaaderemi:
Hbuyosh a kenya created a thread once where he ranked nigeria ahead of kenya in real estate;office space rental,retail space and residential space.on that thread nigeria was 2nd and kenya was 5th[www.venturesafrica.com]he got his info from that site.now his compatriots are arguing blindly.and when u ignore them they go ballistic.what else do they want?
Don't mind the numb skull. It's not even something to debate. It's all over several platforms and blogs. I shouldn't have argued at all in the first place.


And I expected that by now, they would have posted a more expensive property than what I posted, which is the average property in that area. I guess the wait will be endless.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 1:20pm On Dec 11, 2016
obaaderemi:
I have suspected it 4 a while the guy is sick.even the south african zuluboy,jayceon, cant compare to him.
Lol. I know right.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 1:16pm On Dec 11, 2016
It's not a bad thing to dedicate a last post to showing a person whom they truly are - lame, rather than re-proving to them what is glaring in their face but they simply chose not to believe. I know the dummy will still hop on this post. But his headache anyway.


By the way, I'm still waiting for a sane person to come with a real estate in Kenya that can match what has already been posted for Lagos. Good luck to y'all. I'll be back later.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 12:56pm On Dec 11, 2016
NairobiWalker:
It is one thing when you use a term "vaguely to make a point" but another thing when you claim you have sooo much knowledge in a given field that you brush down everything everyone else has to say yet make very ridiculous assertions in the same topic. For instance - when someone who claims to know Nigeria so well that he's not even willing to learn or listen to what other Nigerians say claims that Murtala Mohammed Airport is in Abuja what would you say of him? He's stupid and ignorant.
Your analogy is as lame as yourself. Go ahead and jump a cliff over it. And Please I stopped staying in mentions since, don't spam mine with your silliness
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 12:41pm On Dec 11, 2016
This Nairobiweakling dude is simply straw clutching. Yes I said Muthaiga has apartments, a term I used to vaguely refer to residences. Now he's gonna knock his head on a stone because of that all day. They can bring up the least costly in their most expensive places, yet can't bring up the highest in same place, or at least something to at least match what I posted. Who doesn't know that it will cost more to build an edifice of equal facilities in a city like New York compared to Lagos simply as a result of being a more expensive and more developed terrain. Dude is perpetually moronic
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 12:14pm On Dec 11, 2016
obaaderemi:
Do the right thing.Ignore that man.pls,let him revel in his blind ignorance and infantile attitude.They know little of nigeria
And that's what I'm doing from now. Looks like his aim on here is to bring people down to his mediocre level. Arguing with him is cumbersome with no real usefulness. No one got no time for his silliness anymore.

And in fact, I think Nigerians should just leave these guys to believe whatever they chose to. It shouldn't be by force afterall. If it makes them feel good that they can rub shoulders with us, then good luck to them.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 11:30am On Dec 11, 2016
There are exclusively rich Nigerians that will easily pay 3 billion naira monthly for rent. Anybody's ignorance won't negate this. You could argue that there is a big disparity between the rich and poor in the country. That's a good argument. But to say their aren't people who can afford that worth of property in a country like Nigeria is just crude
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 11:23am On Dec 11, 2016
NairobiWalker:
I'm sorry but do you have anything between your ears bro? Those prices are the minimum in this estates. Learn how to read my friend. You can't be both ignorant and poor in comprehension.
Got no time for a dumbbell. It's not my job to force sense in your skull. Looks like you are perpetually locked in your uncouthness and callowness. When a fact is slammed on your face, you play the disbelief card. which often just pass of as being dumb. Believe whatever you wanna man. I'm just gonna ignore you henceforth, there are saner people to reply on here.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 10:32am On Dec 11, 2016
NairobiWalker:
You're an idiot. So you've heard of everything that happens in Kenya? Somebody who thinks there are apartments in Muthaiga wants to claim they know much about Kenya? lol......you're ignorant about your own country, what can you say about Kenya? And what has size got to do with it? We are talking about quality my Friend not size and your Nigerian friend Pavore who lives in Nairobi has already told you Nairobi has better quality real estate than Lagos.

Check out the minimum rent per month in Nairobi's high end estates. (1$ = KES 100. Do your conversions and come back)

http://venasnews.com/most-expensive-estates-in-nairobi-you-should-not-look-for-houses-here-if-you-are-earning-less-than-ksh100-000-per-month/
You are so slow I would rather not insult you back for it. You are very low bro.
Prove me wrong that there are no residential places in Muthaiga.
500000 Kenya shillings, the highest I saw on your link, is just 5000dollars. Go and beat the other post I gave the other man.
In fact, I think arguing with you will give me undue stress I obviously don't deserve. Swerve bro.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 10:25am On Dec 11, 2016
Pavore9:
http://mobile.property24.co.ke/5-bedroom-townhouse-to-rent-in-karen-104508820

That is in Karen, N14m monthly rent!
Lmao. And you think there can ever be a match for a place like this in Kenya? This is an apartment in Banana. Just 3 bedroom. It costs a whooping 3 billion naira monthly!

Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 9:38am On Dec 11, 2016
Pavore9:
That could be true but it does not apply to me! My family is really deep into real estate starting way back from the 70's! I have a good idea of real estate in Lagos.
Then I'm surprised how you could ever think the most expensive place in Kenya can match in value, what's obtainable in the most expensive parts of Lagos.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 8:52am On Dec 11, 2016
Pavore9:
A Nigerian who have lived in Lagos before relocating to Nairobi is in a better position to analyze some issues.
You could be wrong if you have had no dealings or no knowledge of the most expensive real Estates in both cities. You could live in Lagos for aeons and still not know certain things about the city trust me.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 8:50am On Dec 11, 2016
NairobiWalker:
There are properties that cost $10000 per month in Nairobi
Share a link please and shoot yourself on the foot as usual.


Duh, people live in Muthaiga and that's the rental cost I quoted, just about $3000. No rental space costs $10000
monthly in Kenya, haven't heard of, or except you prove me wrong with a link at least. I could take a bow.


And the answer to your real surprise is bad governance. That has been overemphasized on this thread. So I understand if you can't wrap your head round the fact that after all these, Kenya is still too small a country to compare to Nigeria.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 12:23am On Dec 11, 2016
Pavore9:
I can match neighborhoods between Nairobi and Lagos, l know some neighbourhoods in Nairobi, l can match the quality of residency with that of ilupeju, Lagos.

Neighborhoods you can match with Lavington, kilimani, Kileleshwa etc. Nairobi had its own share of neighbourhoods in the mould of Bariga. Ijora badiya, Ajegunle etc in good measure! grin
I get your point. Quality is not quantifiable. It's easier to imagine the equivalent from both cities just thinking about the quality of neighborhoods, lawns, slums, people etc. A tad rowdy place in London could still cost more than a reserved place in Lagos. And that's my point. In terms of value equivalent, all you would have mostly succeeded in doing are mismatches. So why don't the bests go horn for horn?
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 11:44pm On Dec 10, 2016
Pavore9:
Born and raised in Lagos, work and live in Nairobi....Forget the pictures being posted l know the realities of both cities! grin grin
Good for you. I too have dealers of real estate in a few African cities, Nairobi inclusive. And of course, I have personal dealings in Lagos real estate too. So they aren't hard to figure.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 11:38pm On Dec 10, 2016
Pavore9:
We no even dare go to neighbourhoods like Karen, Runda, Muthaiga etc where rents are $5000 and above. Ask any other Nigerian living in Nairobi going by the present exchange rate which between Lagos and Nairobi where the rent in a good neighborhood is lesser.

If you are paying N800,000 annually for a 3 bedroom flat at Magodo Estate that is equal to 170,000 Kenyan shillings going by today's exchange rate between the Naira and Shillings. That 170,000 Kenyan shillings will cover only 4 months rent of similar neighborhood in Nairobi!
First of, how did you get the perfect equivalent of Magodo in Nairobi to arrive at this? It will be hard to judge an equivalent knowing that values of an apartment with exact same facilities vary from location to location. That brings me to why you should compare the extremes in both situations, that is, the best of Nairobi and the best of Lagos. And please, you can get an apartment of $3000 in Muthaiga, not 5k as the least cost that you quoted. Like I said earlier, apartments in Eko Atlantic cost 10000 monthly. They were fully bought before it's completion. That makes a big business statement. These things are not rocket science.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 11:24pm On Dec 10, 2016
PissedYagami:
This happens coz there are few buildings of that type, less demand higher prices, see
You meant to say more demand, higher prices right? And that's the answer to your question. Demand for real estate in Nigeria, particularly prior to the recent economy down turn, is very high. Nigeria can't even provide adequately yet for housing, and the economy is this big, what happens when they start to become self sufficient? You made a good point about a real estate bubble the other time. But that is not the case in Nigeria as going into the future, there will always be demand to be met for a very long time especially when the economy restabilizes. It's such a unique situation.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 11:07pm On Dec 10, 2016
That is not even to mention the newly completed and fully bought eko pearl towers with rent STARTING from $10000 per month! You can always verify my claims.


Well, I think I understand the surprise of these Kenyans, and maybe other Africans. "How come Nigeria without 24hrs power supply is still the continents largest economy? What will then happen when they eventually get it right with power?" These and many other questions, they ask. I'd be totally shocked too if I were in their shoes.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 11:02pm On Dec 10, 2016
Pavore9:
The rent in an upscale neighborhood of Nairobi is higher than the ones in an upscale neighbourhood of Lagos. Shebi l follow go house hunting with a Ghanian couple who just moved over. A 4 bedroom masionette is renting $2,140 monthly plus a $200 monthly service charge and sharing compound with 7 other units!

Away from upscale neighbourhoods, a middle class neighborhood one can get a bedsitter (a room and an ensuite kitchen and toilet/shower) for between $90-$100 monthly whereas that can get me a spacious 2 bedroom flat in Anthony Village, Lagos!
There are properties that cost $5000 per month in Lagos.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 10:57pm On Dec 10, 2016
Pavore9:
The rent in an upscale neighborhood of Nairobi is higher than the ones in an upscale neighbourhood of Lagos. Shebi l follow go house hunting with a Ghanian couple who just moved over. A 4 bedroom masionette is renting $2,930 monthly plus a $200
This is funny as I know the most expensive place in Nairobi is probably Muthaiga which costs this amount you quoted. Ikoyi on the other hand costs not less than $3500 for a 3 bedroom apartment, a space nothing close to a masionette. Go figure!
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 10:04pm On Dec 10, 2016
shizzy7:
I actually don't think so because there are different dollar rates in different African countries.
You can't compare Zimbabwe currency to that of Nigeria in terms of dollars...

Even in the said Lagos and Abuja the rental rate varies significantly depending on the location.
Dear, I know quite much about real estate. Dollars is a fixed currency that can be used across countries. In Ikoyi, a lot of the time, payments are made in dollars, not naira. From real estate to even payment of school fees in those places. With our devalued currency presently, what you expect is an increase in the cost in naira, not a decrease of cost in dollars. The truth is, the value of real estate in Nigeria is way more than in Kenya.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 9:58pm On Dec 10, 2016
NairobiWalker:
More sources for our ignorant brother who things Nigeria got a thing on Kenya in real estate.

http://www.africatopsuccess.com/en/2015/04/13/invest-in-real-estate-business-the-top-5-cities-in-africa/
Stop shooting yourself on the foot with your posts. Lagos is over 700 dollars in this link, Nairobi is about 600. Makes you look dumb.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 9:54pm On Dec 10, 2016
NairobiWalker:
You must be out of your mind.

http://luxafrique.net/top-5-cities-invest-real-estate-africa/
You are the one who's a dummy here. Your link even ranks Lagos first. So what's your point?
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 9:38pm On Dec 10, 2016
PissedYagami:
So you are saying a 100metre building is Lagos is equivalent to 200 metre tower in Kenya??
In value, I can boldly say yes. Rental in Lagos and Abuja are some of the costliests in Africa. You can start by giving the costliest place in Kenya in dollar terms. That for Nigeria has already been given here
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 9:34pm On Dec 10, 2016
kongobi:
sadly fact remain ,kenya is ahead of nigeria in all aspects.

except big population and oil of course ,which make them think they are something,
but with such a population and resource it should be ahead, very ahead ,way ahead

a delusional ego attitude that only hurts them, where they push all the flaws under the carpet, and live in denial ,
perfect Nigeria ,awesome Nigeria ,best in africa only comparable to Europe and america,other africans look like wild animals compared grin grin

quick to belittle other african countries, and not just kenya, they do this even to their immediate neigbours

sadly fact remain grin grin
The bold part reeks of nothing short of hypocrisy. Nigerians on this thread so far have owned to their inadequacies. Bad government, lack of power etc. It's yours that have painted a picture perfect Kenya.
The point is, even in Nigerias present quagmire, it is a country bigger and better than Kenya in many sectors. These are facts. And in the real sense of it, Nigerians do not actually belittle any African country. Unlike in countries like SA and Kenya, other African countries in Nigeria are treated with respect corresponding to their status
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 9:25pm On Dec 10, 2016
An apartment in London costs more than its equivalent in Lagos. So does one in Lagos cost more than a Kenyan equivalent. You may see all those tall buildings in Kenya too but we all know their values cannot be compared to what you have in Nigeria. Yet they wonder how Nigeria has a bigger economy?
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 1:36pm On Dec 04, 2016
Fidha254:
You guys are hilarious..... So what did you expecthuh A country of 45million then you want to have one city with 20millionhuh? is this the kind of measurements that you guys use to measure the success of a city?
Look at all the great big cities and tell me their population, London is 8million, NewYork the big Apple is only 9million....Even Beijing, from a country of 1.3billion people, has a population of 20 Million residents, and then we have Lagos, a city from a third world country with a population of 21million, and then you find this as something to brag about!!! Oh boy...
Sorry to disappoint you but we would rather Nairobi never goes further than 5million in the future, we would rather have satelite cities close to Nairobi grow and also other cities far from Nairobi like Mobasa,Nakuru Kisumu equally share the urban population distribution
Haha. Seems you missed the point. And that makes you hilarious instead. He said in a country of 45 million, 3 million live in Nairobi, the country's largest. Others in a few cities not up to 10 obviously with far less populations. So where are the rest? "Chasing wild animals in rural areas" just quoting the nigga tho. Didn't say that. grin
Could be that a large population of Kenyans live in bushes and villages. Just thinking out loud. Haha
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex:
Lol I'm not gonna mention that other nigga since doing so would be too childish. Like, I could easily get 1001 pictures of Kenyans living in abject poverty too but that's not my thing.

Just stating here and re-emphasizing it, Nigeria is in one truly undeserved situation considering where we are coming from and wasted resources of many years, but with all these, it should NEVER be compared to Kenya. On the African continent, Nigeria not only has the political clout, it has the economic and financial posture as well as the soft power. So Kenya and Kenyans need to rest
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 6:46pm On Nov 30, 2016
14:
I remember when bloomberg broke the news about South Africa overtaking Nigeria once again to reclaim top spot, Mr Dangote jumped up laughing about the bloomberg claim. I for one expected that reaction from Nigerians. They will never accept that any other country in Africa is bigger than them, that biggest economy status is for life, believe you me.
If Mr Dangote didn't jump up, please who else would? This is a ginormous businessman who has investments in several African countries and who knows the return on investment from country to country. But you can be pardoned for making it about Nigerians generally, of course, these are a people who are of high intelect and see most other Africans as the smaller brothers that they truly are.

Later on they sent the GDP stats to IMF as $415bn compared to bloomberg claim of $275bn based on their currency exchange rate with the dollar. Some nigerian commentator was furius on TV explaining the Nigerian GDP calculation, saying that the oil sector is calculated in dollars and not Naira.

The question i asked myself was, why SA GDP is determined based on its exchange rate, converting Rand to Dollar, but that cant be done in Nigeria. Thats when i started questioning the validity of their stats as a whole, very questionable.
This is largely a misinformation. Bloomberg used the exchange rate as at July for GDP figures of December 2015. That methodology was simply faulty and that was what KPMG even argued against. Current exchange rates were supposed to be matched with current local GDP figures for each country to give a clearer picture of things. The adjustment was eventually made and that was what led to the affirmation by IMF of Nigeria's true status. It's not a farce, Nigeria is Africa's biggest economy.
You cannot have a GDP of $500bn and only raise a tax revanue of $21bn, the maths does not add-up. Even if you can come up with an excuse of the economy being largely informal, $21bn is too little considering 90% of it comes from oil. So my question is, how did you quantify that informal economy or it was just by estimate. On top of that you claim to float your currency, while you peg it at N305 to the dollar, while the parallel market is at N470 to the dollar. SA has only one currency exchange rate, unlike nigeria which has more than 4 currency exchange rates, N290, N305, N400, N470 to the doller, which one is the correct one.
The ability to raise revenue from tax is mainly dependent on the institution responsible for it and the political willingness. This has been lacking in Nigeria for many years due to free flow of oil revenues. And you ask why that makes up 90% of the tax revenue? It would even make more sense for you to talk down on the absence of such system rather than claim Nigeria cannot simply raise the revenue because, according to you, the economy is simply not big enough. By the way, under the current FIRS boss, Nigeria non oil revenue has increased. Of course with a decrease in revenue from oil so it's hard to tell the overall impact of such improvement. But it's definitely a work in progress.

Nigeria is going through what venezuela is going through.

The problem is, the masses are the ones that are suffering while the government is busy giving them propaganda on a daily basis. Hence they cant wait to leave the country for greener pasture, because their government has failed them. This is what happens when you continue cooking up stats in a bid to loo FDI, it catches up with you at the end. This is a zimbabwe in a making, watch the space. Once you start struggling to pay government workers, how are you gonna fix the roads, hospitals, schools. whats left is a total collapse because that oil price wont go back to $100 to the barrel anymore. The government keeps on lying to its citizens that they are going to borrow $6bn before end of 2016, its december now where is the $6bn and the china yuan deal, and the indian $20bn oil deal, its all lies, how do you borrow $6bn when your debt service from your budget is 38%. That means in every $100, $38 goes to service debt and that could grow if indeed you manage to increase it by $6bn. It could grow to 50%, meaning if the 2017 budget is $20bn, $10bn would be going to pay debt, thank God i am not Nigerian.
You can please save your doomsday prophecies for another country because Nigeria is never going to get to that anytime soon. Not up to 30% of the population work with the government, Nigerians are largely entrepreneurs and so there is a trough to how bad things can ever get even with this current seemingly directionless government. Speaking of debts, Nigeria is still very lowly indebted compared to South Africa for instance. The depth to GDP ratio is one of the lowest in the whole world giving her a better posture to borrow. And borrowing is never a crime if it is rightly used to improve infrastructure. I don't want to start reeling out the debt profiles of countries like USA, China and the Euros.
And on Nigerians leaving the country for other places, take this from me, even when Nigeria gets 3 times better than it presently is, you will still find Nigerians trying to do business and/or work, live, in other countries of opportunities. Americans look for opportunities everywhere there is, they don't sit at home saying their country is the best. So it's you who should continue to sit on this space as Nigeria remains resilient through difficult economic climates and thereafter, continues to evolve.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 3:46pm On Nov 30, 2016
KenyaMan111:
No one is comparing enormity, congratulations for being enormous. I am perplexed and slightly confounded. All that wealth and GDP, but I still cannot fathom where it's going.

Enlighten me kiddo, why is the woman in the second picture contemplating on cannibalism as a means to eat. Surely you're rich to enough to feed her, no?
Asides the fact that your picture isn't even from Nigeria, I cannot resort to being dragged down by your inability to comprehend, your derisions and incivility since that's mostly what you've had to offer so far on this thread. And all these definitely ain't my fault, must be the country that brought you up. So Nigga bye.
Foreign AffairsRe: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Boyedex: 10:22pm On Nov 29, 2016
Somebody deliberately doesn't want to believe that Nigeria has the biggest economy in Africa, it's their choice. You can't force people to not be dull if they so choose. And that's not gonna stop the institutions that matter from quoting Nigeria as indeed the biggest in economic activities.
In dollar terms, price of office spaces and apartments in Lagos, Abuja and Port Harcourt is in multiple of what is obtainable in Kenya. Economists know the good and bad implication of this. If you are smart, you'd see why Lagos is richer than the whole Kenya.
I will continue to reiterate, Nigeria with its myriad of problems right now is far enormous to be compared to Kenya, an equivalent to just one state here.

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