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Sometimes, the stars just don't tell us the truth...

1. Time machine. I really want to go back in time 2. Increased life expectancy maybe 1000 years 3. Faster than light speed, also being able to control time dilation 4. Space elevator, extending to another galaxy 5. Teleporting device at every human's fingertip

As an industrial chemist, sometimes the complexity of biochemistry baffles me. Thanks I will pass

Our white brothers won't like the first picture..

That coach should be hanged...

Badejo, onome, Samson, wale, Abeg, who Dey fight who?

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sukkot:
speak for yasef bro. dont loop me in with ya craziness

Hahahaha, now I'm the only crazy one. You forgot celestial bodies so soon?

Hehe.. Now I want to laugh again.

barackodam:
@bqlekan


I very much perfectly understand the angle you're coming from, and I'm sorry to say, Sukkot would never see from that angle.

You're a Muslim, he's a Christian, you're trying to prove science using Islam or Islam using science, but Sukkot is seeing it from science proving science, that's why you won't.

And if I go with what he says, not mixing science with religion, I think he's been right all through!


Quran extensively talked about Al-Jinn, but the Bible didn't and I think, (I stand to be corrected) only Islam has told everything about jinn.

But look at it, scientifically of course, you'll be inclined towards Sukkot's

Thanks brother, if you check my original post, you will notice I used scientific hypothesis to explain the concept of the jinns. The Quran might be the only religious book to discuss jinns, but jinns are also found in different mythologies and folklores.

The bible talked extensively about demons I think. Demons, efreet, Marid, rowaniyas, ghoul etc are names given to jinns based on their actions, locations, shapes and sizes.

Sukkot is not just proving science with science, we are both guilty of proving science with pseudoscience. He did go one more step forward by adding conspiracy theories
Skim through my posts again and you will understand where I'm coming from.

sukkot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emsud0rakqY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQxmifh-Neo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuLU-oEpl3M

Will analyse the videos when I get home. But to say it was a CERN machine causing the ripple effects of gravity(gravitational waves) in the whole of the milky way galaxy is absurd. Really absurd.

sukkot:
AHHHH SEE I JUST CHECKED THE MEANING OF JINN IN DICTIONARY AND IT SAYS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU, ITS ISLAMIC MYTHOLOGY LOLZZZZZZ


Examples Word Origin
noun, plural jinns (especially collectively) jinn. Islamic Mythology .
1.
any of a class of spirits, lower than the angels, capable of appearing in human and animal forms and influencing humankind for either good or evil.

This is why I created this thread. Jinns are way beyond mythology. We have seen their effects in our universe. For instance, gravitational waves appear weak in our universe due to distortion of the spacetime fabric from a parallel universe. Invisible dark matter deflecting photons of light. These only point out to different lifeform having mass of their own. The jinns..

sukkot:
from reading that Quran verse Jinn is someone who has been perfected by suffering and affliction.

There are 3 creations, the angels, the humans and the jinns.. Angels were created from light, humans from clay and jinns from flameless fire. The jinns are of different types, we have marid, ifreet, ghoul etc. All these are entities created long before the creation of human. Quran didn't just mention their existence, a whole chapter is dedicated to them.

They are by no means a re-incarnated form of human, they are sentient and different from us.

sukkot:
Oh ok this Jinn is from the Quran ? and I am looking at what you have quoted and I can see you are taking it literally. see the bible and quran are allegoric and symbolic and esoteric books. they are not meant to be taken literally. now just from that verse that you quoted what it is saying is that a new group of people have been created from the furnace of affliction. thats what the quran and bible is all about. you accumulate sins and then you pay for your sins in the furnace of affliction and then come out a strong new being. those who overcome this affliction and come out as better people is what this jinn is referring to in the quran. its like nelson mandela, he did 27 years in prison under affliction and then he came out a stronger better man and became the president of south africa and was well respected and loved. now he is an example of what a jinn is. point being do not read the quran literally

Hahahah, brother, you are getting it all wrong. Let me start by asking you; what do you understand by the world 'jinns'?

sukkot:
[b]all powers belong to GOD. what you call jinns is GOD using people and giving them extra-ordinary abilities to carry out the tasks. humans do not have the ability of commanding ' jinns ', what they have is the illusion that they are in control when they are summoning the jinns but they dont realize that they are being mind controlled at that point in time and their actions do not belong to them and they are simply being used. so point being there has to be a perception that you are in control when in reality you are not. this makes the process more organic, as opposed to just putting you in a trance like zombie state and sending you out to carry out a mission they induce you with the reality that you are the one summoning up the jinn but you are in a trance and are being programmed but the process feels more organic as opposed to just being spiritually knocked over the head and sent into a coma and then ordered to carry out a mission. its that sense of being a part of the process so as to make it organic. this is why some people start feeling powerful and puffed up and then the power is snatched from them. because you cant boast from doing something when you are simply a tool. how can the tool boast itself against the master who controls it ? hope am making sense [/b]

Permit me to use some verses from the Quran

And the jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a Scorching wind. Surah XV: 27

"And entice whoever you can of them with your voice, and mobilize all your forces and men against them, and you may share with them in their money and children, and promise them.” But the devil promises nothing but deceit. 'As for My servants, you will have no power over them.' And your Lord suffices as a Caretaker." (17:64-65)

"And for Solomon the wind was given, traveling one month coming and one month going, and We caused a spring of tar to flow for him. And from among the Jinn are those that worked for him by his Lord's leave; and any one of them who turns from Our commands, We shall cause him to taste the retribution of the Fire. They made for him what he desired of enclosures, and statues, and pools of deep reservoirs, and heavy pots. “O family of David, work to show thanks.” Only a few of My servants are appreciative. Then, when We decreed death for him, nothing informed them of his death until a worm kept eating from his staff, so when he fell down, the Jinn realised that if they had known the unseen, they would not have remained in the humiliating retribution." (34:12-14)


The Bottomline is humans use the bad jinns for our selfish interest, but not after pledging to give the jinns something in return.

iykekelvins:
[color=#099999]Ok, thanks.

But how do these Jinns find humans? How's it possible to work with them?[/color]

If you read my original post, you should see where I mentioned how they could be more advanced than us, how they maybe capable of FTL and warping.
They will always find us. They were created before us.

sukkot:
NAH LOL not on an intellectual thread like this I dont troll. I only troll on useless retarded frontpage posts about celebrities and other useless mind-numbing topics.

Lol, the world is full of mysteries. Jinns are extremely powerful beings they are the ones responsible for many weird occurrences through out history, from akudaya, to unexplained levitation, maybe UFOs and also the building of the great pyramids.

sukkot:
GOD does take over peoples spirit and passes messages through them. unless of course it is GOD you are referring to when you say JINN

Humans have been using jinns since time immemorial. I will urge you to do a research on jinns.

iykekelvins:
[color=#099999]Dynamo, the magician was accused of working with Jinns.

Now, they were seeing these Jinns to be demonic of some sort.. Is it true?[/color]

all demons are jinns, but not all jinns are demons. Like I stated earlier, there are good and bad jinns. Okay here is an explanation.

Take the earth as a whole, replace every humans with jinns,. You will end up with different races of jinns with different believes and religions. The jinn world is just like us. They interact with some humans among us.

sukkot:
OK I can appreciate the esoteric understanding of what you just wrote up there. fire and smoke denotes tribulation and pain and suffering so being created from a smokeless fire denotes a christ-like being whom GOD is at peace with and is not under any tribulations or afflictions and has been endowed with celestial powers. i can appreciate the esoteric nature of your post. hopefully you are not presenting your post literally lol

Hahaha.. You are a troll walahi

sukkot:
a terrace he has never seen wouldnt exist in his sphere. everything done is done as a repetition of something and how efficiently you do it is what distinguishes but you have to have a perception of it first. nobody will ask you to recreate something you have never seen. thats not a limitation but an irrational task

Hahaha, how about humans prophesising events that have never happened? You don't seem to get my analogy, he is undoubtedly gifted, these beings can manifest themselves in different ways. To human perception, all these are weird and he is super. It's all a limited existence.

sukkot:
when you say jinn you mean voodoo ? what exactly is your definition of a jinn ?

Hahahaha, voodoo keh. I already gave you the definition of jinns up there. They are creatures made from smokeless fire. They live just as we live. They can shape-shift, be visible or invisible, possess and control some humans e.t.c.

sukkot:
watch the 3 videos i posted and you will change your mind immediately. they are very short videos

I've seen the one of a lady with x-ray visions, man who climbed Kilimanjaro with no clothes on and many more. These situations are manifestations of jinns in human life form.

sukkot:
and to further buttress my point that there is no such thing as a human level of intelligence i will tell you about this guy in london, you put him in a helicopter for 30 minutes and fly all over london and he can re-create in drawing every single thing he saw down to the number of windows etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVqRT_kCOLI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-73DQ1hLsDY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQbI2MvJegA

Of course, I've seen his documentary. He's dubbed the human camera. It still has a limit, tell him to draw a terrace he has never seen.

sukkot:
well you do fail to realize that humans are simply biological computers. we are spiritual beings having a physical 3 dimensional existence but we are not our bodies. our bodies are just avatars for this 3 Dimensional world we exist in. so technically there is no such thing as ' a human level of intelligence '. its an oxymoron and a fallacy

however the rest of the post is on point

Hehe, there you go again. humans are limited in every aspect of our existence. Be it conscious, sub-conscious, unconscious or spiritual. There is always a limitation to what we can achieve at these level, there is a limitation to where we can reach at this level. We were designed like that.

sukkot:
you fail to realize all the dimensions exist concurrently in all places and that this our sphere of existence is not compartmentalized and separate from other cosmic existence . the dimensions are electromagnetic frequencies of information. parallel universes running concurrently on this planet. not every human you see walking around is on the same dimension as you. well most humans are in the same dimensions but there are a few celestial beings walking amongst us whose soul syncs with higher dimensions. its called parallel universe running concurrently which negates your other point where you said we will never move beyond human level of intelligence. that may be so for most but there are a few who are endowed with the ability to move beyond human level of intelligence. these are CHRIST-LIKE beings

Gravitational waves,dark matter and jinns makes the theory of parallel universe plausible. From my earlier post, I said jinns can possess and control humans. They may cross to our dimension and help in our scientific/technological breakthrough. They are here already, and I believe those they are working with are very aware of who and what they are. Independently, humans will never go beyond our level of intelligence.

sukkot:
you fail to realize all the dimensions and that thiss our sphere of existence is not compartmentalized and separate from other cosmic existence . the dimensions are electromagnetic frequencies of information. parallel universes running currently on this planet. not every human you see walking around is on the same dimension as you. well most humans are in the same dimensions but there are a few celestial beings walking amongst us whose soul syncs with higher dimensions. its called parallel universe running concurrently which negates your other point where you said we will never move beyond human level of intelligence. that may be so for most but there are a few who are endowed with the ability to move beyond human level of intelligence. these are CHRIST-LIKE beings

Gravitational waves,dark matter and jinns makes the theory of parallel universe is plausible. From my earlier post, I said jinns can possess and control humans. They may cross to our dimension and help in our scientific/technological breakthrough. They are here already, and I believe those they are working with are very aware of who and what they are. Independently, humans will never go beyond our level of intelligence.

Walahi, bobo yii ti sign

sukkot:
hmmm good questions. now when we look at the etymology of that word we start to see that we have been bamboozled and programmed to think it is what it is not. there are two spheres, the celestial and then the terrestrial. the celestial is someone that can perceive things beyond this 3 dimensional existence we exist in while the terrestrial is someone whose perceptions and reality is stuck in this 3D existence. now to be extra-terrestrial means you are the lowest of beings and not an advanced being. so the etymology and indoctrination has gotten people bamboozled as to what an extra-terrestrial is. extra-terrestrials are humans. we are low level beings. we are the extra-terrestrials.

where did you get your perception of what an extra-terrestrial is ? from hollywood movies ? see we have all been programmed and we are operating on someone elses perception of things.

point being humans are the extra-terrestrials

Lol, 'extraterrestrial' does not necessarily separate us into levels, it is just used to describe life forms from another dimension, to them, we are ET, JUST AS THEY ARE TO US TOO.

On being indoctrinated, I think science just can't deal with the supernatural, our limited human perception will always work against us. Just as an ant will never know of the existence of a planet named Jupiter, the human brain might not be able to process strange phenomena. We will never move beyond human level of intelligence. It is fixed

Let's imagine creatures with these kind of abilities, let's imagine them making interstellar travels. It wouldn't be too difficult for them I think. Maybe they have a technology better than the Alcubierre drive. Could the so called UFOs be their ships? Are we searching the right place for extraterrestrials. Here are some certainties;

We are not alone
There are creatures whose building blocks differ from ours
They are technologically/scientifically ahead of us.


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Sources: forum.davidicke.com, irfi.org, ufoinfo.org, speedo flight.info

Abilities.
That which clearly distinguishes the Jinn from mankind, are their powers and abilities. Since the jinns are made from plasma, plasma is energy matter that makes-up 99% of the known universe. The description the Quran gives of Jinn being made from a 'smokeless fire' fits perfectly with this energy matter which is present but is not always possible to view with the naked eye. "Plasma is by far the most common form of matter known. Plasma in the stars and in the tenuous space between them make up over 99% of the visible universe and perhaps most of that which is not visible. Putting this into consideration, travelling in space should not be a problem for the jinns. Maybe they also exhibit quantum entanglement, maybe warp drive, maybe teleportation, all these looks plausible given the fact that they are traveling in a medium they are made from. One thing is certain, they travel at devastating speed, Faster Than Light speed (FTL)

Apart front he fact that they are invisible to the naked eye, they travel at FTL, they also are great sea divers, they can shape shift and have the ability to posses and control almost every human.

The Quran made us understand that the jinns also live in a world like humans, we have the good ones, the bad ones, the doctor, lawyers, astronauts, engineers, scientist etc. they have their own NASA, MUSK etc. their world is parallel to ours. They can make themselves visible to our naked eyes if they want

According to creationists, the first man was made from clay. Science and religion arguably agrees on this. The carbon based human body is a limitation to our very existence. We are confined to planet earth, we can't even survive outside her atmosphere without supplements. We live a regimented life, we can't pass through walls, run at devastating speeds, float in air e.t.c.
The planet earth is just one of the billions of planet in the milky way galaxy, also, the milky way galaxy is just one of the billions of galaxies in the ever expanding universe. These beg the question; ARE WE ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE?


So far today, the official answer we've got to the above question is; YES WE ARE ALONE (at least, according to science). We live in a world where science have answers to almost every phenomena, from sleep paralysis, gravity, dark matter, UFOs e.t.c. No place for religion, myths, folklores. Every theory must be scientifically proven. If science could not understand gravity, dark matter and quantum field behaviours fully well, how is it supposed to explain the existence of JINNS.


Throughout history, man has always had a deep attraction for the supernatural and the unseen. All cultures and peoples, without exception, have beliefs and experiences of the existence of extraterrestrial beings be they called "ghosts, spirits, aliens, demons, etc." In the Arabic culture, these extraterrestrial beings have been given the name "Jinn" and are believed to be invisible creatures that possess superhuman powers and even the ability to possess human beings.

While the above paragraph would be written off as "non-sense" or "tall tales" by most modern critics, we are confronted with a clear reason for examination since God's Scripture indeed confirms the existence of these extraterrestrial beings known as Jinn!

No religion in the world except Islam has the concept of Jinn. On Earth all life is made of Carbon and water. Living things on Earth need energy for their activities. Some of these activities are chemical reactions, which need a supply of energy. This supply of energy comes from the foods we eat, particularly the sugars. Fat is also a source of (stored) energy. When sugars (glucose) are oxidized with oxygen they are converted into water, carbon dioxide and energy. This is a process called respiration. Similarly creatures elsewhere in the universe such as the sun or stars need energy. For those in the sun, the sun itself supplies the energy.

"I did not create the Jinn and the humans except to serve Me." (51:56)

"Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire"
(Surah Al-Hijr 15:26-27)

Who are the JINNS?

Based on the laws of Physics and Chemistry scientists argue the existence of creatures in the sun. The outermost part of the sun is called the Chromosphere and Corona. The temperature here is 4000 degrees centigrade. Underneath the corona lies the Photosphere where the temperature is 5700 degrees centigrade which is the temperature on the surface of the sun. Inside the Photosphere lies the Plasma Interior. Here the temperature is 30,000 degrees centigrade. At this temperature the atoms lose their electrons which wander freely. The density of the hot gases is equal to that of air at the surface of Earth. Halfway towards the center of the sun the temperature rises to several million degrees centigrade. Here the electrons are completely removed from their atoms and move freely, leaving the atomic nuclei behind as positively charged Ions. These separated positive and negative (ions) move independently of each other and this state of matter is called Plasma. Plasma could be interpreted as the smokeless Fire described in the Qur'an. At the center of the sun is the core where the temperature reaches ten million degrees and the density is five times greater than that of solid gold. That is the density of the core, which is greater than any material found on Earth. In the core the nuclear fusion reactions occur resulting in the fusion of hydrogen nuclei into Helium nuclei plus liberation of energy which we receive as the sunlight. The Hydrogen Bomb works based on nuclear fusion whereas the Atomic Bomb works based on nuclear fission (splitting of the atomic nucleus).


Scientists (G. Feinberg and R.Shapiro, LIFE BEYOND EARTH Published by William Morrow and Co., Inc., New York, 1980) predict that there is the highest probability of finding life in the Plasma of our Sun or any star. They call these creatures as Plasmabeasts. Plasmabeasts can be construed as nothing but the Jinns. Life on Earth is called Chemical life, whereas the life in the Plasma of the Sun is based on Physical life. In the Plasma, the positively charged ions and the freely floating electrons (negative ions) are both acted on by intense magnetic forces present in the sun (star). The Jinns are interpreted to be composed of patterns of magnetic force, together with groups of moving charges in a kind of symbiosis. The possible inhabitants of Plasmaland (place of inhabitants) or Jinns have a more complex basis for their life involving charges as well as magnetic forces. The positive and negative ions interact and respond to the presence of magnetic forces. The stable structure and movement of the Jinns is influenced by the magnetic forces. In Physics we know that the moving charges influence the motion of these electrical charges or ions. This situation is similar to the influence of proteins and nucleic acids in Earth life. Finally these processes result in a favored form. For this to take place supply of free energy is required which is obtained from the flow of radiation within the sun. Therefore the Jinn can be construed to use radiant energy in their vital processes.

Next we look at their abilities and also how they may change or has been changing human history.