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Of you averagely doing well in Nigeria, can you find same life I the UK?

Please define averagely doing well in Nigeria. Cos in UK, if you're legal and pay your bills there is a standard of living which means you will have access to running water, uninterrupted power supply, gas supply, security, free primary & secondary schools, free healthcare at point of need, free medication for children, free opticians for children, police, fire service, refuse collection,

How many Nigerians have their kids in private schools?

due the relative good level of education in public schools and being free, people do not need to send their children to private school. Each school is inspected and given a rating. Parents tend avoid the few that are rated inadequate. Some Nigerians do send their kids private school if they can afford this for extra curricular activities and lower teacher to pupil ratio.

How many stay in highbrow area and live in conducive apartments like they did in Nigeria?

Every area has access to basic amenities and you can choose to live in a less or more expensive area. Arguably, these standard areas compete favourably in amenity access with the highbrow areas of Nigeria. The so called highbrow areas of UK are extremely expensive and not necessary to live in to have a good life. There are no absolute ghettos in UK.

How many have work-life balance like they do in Nigeria?

It'll be interesting to see how you've worked out how there is better work life balance in Nigeria?! Last I checked, your working hours are your working hours in UK, there is less traffic and more modes of transport, there are working regulations to ensure people are not effectively slaves. To work longer hours or more jobs is by choice as you're expected to live within your means. They don't play with holidays and breaks in UK. It's obviously a different lifestyle ( you are expected to spend more time with the children and that's just the way it is.) weather is also different, meaning people are not always outside.

You will only appreciate that side of the world when you were never averagely balling in the Nigeria.

How many people are actually balling in Nigeria compared to the entire population as I see a lot of people hustling for a daily bread as well? You might be surprised at the number of those balling in UK as well although this comes across differently. E.g. the number of foreign travels every week just for a weekend break even by students as young as 18.

What you call doing well over there is still poverty and mental stress for some of us.

A few might be at a level in Nigeria where they don't need to work as they have legal residual income (or illicit funds!), the same is the case in UK. However, the majority have to work whether in Nigeria or UK. That is how the economy works. A few cases here and there of people balling in Nigeria or our flamboyant nature of parties and celebrations doesn't defeat this point.

If Nigeria were to become a developed country, you'll find that most will just be working in a system that runs the economy, shikena. It is very easy to view these situations within a very narrow view but facts and figures remain true. I thought I should add my 2 cents

sinero:
But gang members can stab him to death on the streets of London in broad day light. Nigeria is not the worst place on earth. Stop this nonsense. By the way, I live in d UK so I know what I am saying.

Every country obviously has some level of crime but it's about crime rate, likelihood.
As you are likely aware there is crime data on absolutely every street in the UK, the likelihood of being a crime victim ( never mind violent crime)is much lower in UK than in Nigeria. There is also a higher probability of getting justice in UK.
How many crimes are dealt with in Nigeria to victims' satisfaction or at all?

theredaddy:
Sowore might be an activist, he is selfless and radical Buh is he not a leader dont mistake unionism trait for leadership as a matter of history unionist dont do well in govt, they maltreat the same people they were once agitating for

But which of the non activists/unionists have been good leaders in Nigeria's history?

Is Nigeria improving at rate that would see proper development in our lifetime?

Most feel there needs to be a shake up of the current system to get tangible improvement.

Lovit:
God never told anyone not to marry or have sex

You can serve God and still have sex in marriage

Both the priests and Rev Sisters are just punishing themselves unnecessarily, The Catholic Church should also abolish that law

Not everything in the Bible should be copied, that Paul never married doesn't mean we should copy such, God never told him to abstain from marriage

You are mistaken in your point. No one is forced to become a nun, priest, monk etc. If you do want to become one, you have to abide by the disciple laid down by the church, it's been like this since early christianity.


See Jesus speaking in Matt 19 :12
For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive

MarkNsukkaBread:
I thought everything works perfectly there according to ignorant Nigerians

No place has things working perfectly .

I think Africans just show better resilience than those in the west and can cope a bit better when faced with challenges. Seems over time people in the west have become softer in how issues are dealt with and tend to slip into mental health struggles more quickly.

Mental health struggles can be a real killer and he had a long struggle with it. I thought he was getting help though. Well, only God knows his heart.

Too many suicides, world getting really dark.

WriterrNg:
World power in what world? Inside your papa house I guess.

After arresting 2 innocent people. And a whole day passed without even knowing who the shooter was.

Even Nigerian police would have performed better.

So when will this Nigerian police solve the following high profile murders amongst countless unsolved daily murders and terrorist attacks? :

Dele Giwa from 1986
Bola Ige 2001
Funsho Williams 2006
Chief Dikibo 2004

BondRiv:
Don't mind that fellow. You're absolutely right that she resigned under pressure. Most of them don't follow these things.

I had to go through my YouTube history to post this link of a video I watched days ago of her being pressured to resign in parliament or that the PM should sack her.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUbwB2v1skI?si=kG5455OBIq8QU2lC

She followed the process of referring herself to the PM's independent adviser, adviser found she breached ministerial code, Rayner then resigned.
British politics is very adversarial and the opposition will find any opportunity to put pressure on Government. It's just their way. You sometimes have to fight your corner otherwise they would be resignstions every week.

Ultimately, even though Rayner was deemed to have integrity, she didn't seek the specialist tax advice as recommended and thus underpsid tax. That was just food for the opposition

Politics is supposed to be real serious business with those leading held to very high standards.
Unfortunately Angela Rayner's position became untenable with not paying the required tax, they couldn't care less about her family circumstances.
Also, the conservative party put so much pressure on her to resign or be sacked as she did the same when she was in opposition. Unfortunately in British politics your poo cannot stink otherwise na pressure to resign.

There are 10 times worse events that occur in our own politics with no consequences.

Proudlyngwa:
Useless analysis
Without explaining how this was achieved, its rubbish

Check https://chandlergovernmentindex.com/country-rankings/
35 parameters used to obtain cggi score. Unfortunately Nigeria sits 116 out of 120 countries overall.
For the category (Helping people rise), Nigeria is right at the bottom - 120!

In the Blue Zones (regions of the world where people live really long and healthy lives, like Okinawa Japan, Ikaria Greece, Sardinia Italy, Nicoya Costa Rica), people walk about 8km on average as part of their daily activities. See quote from researcher Dan Buettner - “Walking five miles a day or more provides the type of low‑intensity exercise that yields all the cardiovascular benefits you might expect, but it also has a positive effect on muscles and bones – without the joint‑pounding damage caused by running marathons or triathlons.”  Dan Buettner, The Blue Zones: Lessons for Living Longer From the People Who’ve Lived the Longest

I'm sure you can you can do much more than 2km a day with no problems. We humans are designed to keep moving

Passionate888:
I thought there's a university in the Vatican?
Na wa

Vatican/Holy see directly governs several universities within Rome but outside vatican borders.some of these also have extraterritorial status like embassies. Uni examples-
Pontifical Lateran University, Pontifical Urban University, Pontifical Gregorian University, Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas etc

babzo:
Could it be the soundtrack " Mi o mo pe oju Ogun laiye, mi o ba ti mura sile lati igba ewe mi"

Thanks for this. I hadn't heard this particular one for over 25 years so gives me nice nostaligic feelings.

It may have been the one in the film, not sure.

RIP Chief Kanran.

Does anyone remember the film called Adun he acted in alongside Alade (RIP)? I think it was released in 1993 or 1994? I've been looking for the movie's soundtrack as there's this particular song in it that I loved a lot back in the day. was played when someone had gone mad walking the street, as I recall.

Doesn't appear to be any detail about the movie online.

merits:
But do we have good medical hospital that can take care of injured and the wounded participants.

Too many basic problems sef to even call it a serious bid . It's very unlikely any Nigeria city would be considered even in 20 years.

Uchesis:
F1 is the most expensive sport in the world in terms of logistics.

It's not just about good roads

Certainly up there, logistics would include transporting hundreds of tyres, cars, equipment and feeder races ( F2, F3 etc) equipment within a week. We can't cope with that now and will get into serious debt problems.

I reckon the almost 100billion naira annual hosting fee alone would be better spent trying to electrify Abuja. There are other much cheaper ways to increase tourism. The fact is, tourism and investment will come once we get the basics right in the country.

Chelsea also won the old Uefa Cup Winners Cup in 1998.

Omicron007:


THIS WOMAN SHOULD JUST REST.

NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE ACHIEVED BY FIGHTING.

IT IS DIFFICULT TO FIGHT THE NUMBER THREE MAN IN THE COUNTRY. YOU MAY NOT LIKE AKPABIO, BUT THE OFFICE HE OCCUPIES IS A VERY POWERFUL OFFICE. HE CAN SET MODALITIES AND IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT.


SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS ALSO DIFFICULT TO PROVE.
THE PEOPLE OF KOGI CENTRAL CURRENTLY HAVE NO SENATOR. THIS IS NOT GOOD.

I HEREBY NOMINATE HONOURABLE HELINUES TO TAKE OVER AS THE SENATOR FOR KOGI CENTRAL. I AM SURE HE WILL LOOT THE SENATORIAL ZONE DRY.

How do we expect to progress as a country if we constantly adopt a defeatist mindset, especially when it involves powerful individuals? The idea that people should "rest" in the face of injustice is part of the reason impunity reigns supreme.

If she believes she was wronged, she has every right to speak up and pursue justice. We can't keep encouraging silence just because the accused man is the senate president.

And while it may be difficult to prove sexual harassment that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be challenged. The more we speak up, the more we create room for accountability and change. Until we start fighting for our rights, we’ll keep complaining about the same issues till thy kingdon come with no real progress.

Arda1000:
are you still living in 18th century?
We have gotten rid of the catholic calendar bro it’s now BCE not BC

BCE dates align exactly with BC dates and were just introduced as a more inclusive/ religiously neutral way to denote dates.Many religious organisations still refer to BC/AD by the way. The naming convention is still very much in use.

Ironically, the gregorian calendar widely used today was established by the catholic church and won't change anytime soon.

AllBlack:
Who he help?
200 people killed in Benue, where was his voice?

Here's an example of his voice from 2021 amongst countless interventions over the decades

https://punchng.com/criminals-sponsors-must-face-justice-to-stop-killings-cardinal-okogie/

Perhaps do some research about Cardinal Okogie.

shegoon:
What do we really want in Africa,why are we so difficult? Stay at home for 2hrs and clean your environment and drainages to minimise the effect of flooding in our ecosystem,we'll complain,then when there's flood,we'll blame the govt. Lagos became dirty today because of the stoppage of monthly environmental sanitation program which was opposed and won by some set of people in the court of law.Now virtually all nooks and crannies in Lagos state is a dirty dumping site

How come other countries can manage to stay clean without shutting down economic activity with overzelous uniform men then taking advantage to brutalise people.

What exactly is the duty of the local government of they can't take care of waste disposal, drainage maintenance and environmental cleaning in 2025? And shouldn't people be cleaning their own houses and compounds regularly, anyway! personal responsibility doesn’t need government impositions but education and a working system.

All I remember from environment sanitation Saturdays during the military regime was a whole heap of gutter dirt scooped out and left at the roadside for weeks, surely there are fundamental issues that need to be looked into to improve level of cleanliness.e.g proper waste collection system, public education on hygiene etc.
Until fundamental problems are addressed, no matter how many sanitation saturdays are imposed, we’ll just keep scooping dirt from one gutter to another and blaming each other while the floods rise.

How come other countries globally are able to maintain an acceptable level of public cleanliness without resorting to enforced business shut down and restriction of movement.
Only Rwanda practices something similar to this environmental sanitation although theirs covers more than sanitation exercise.

Nodogragra4me:
Oga, clearly you didn't see the video but reacting like a true Catholic ....I didn't state that the pope said so ...moderator said , let us ask for graces for him from Mary , our god

He didn't correct himself and nobody did

I certainly did watch the video, live even! It was the interpreter's error and that's the end of it.
Your post makes it seem like the catholic church says Mary is God ( All pretence was off).
There have been other debates about this on protestant youtube channels for the last week.

Nodogragra4me:
He was deeply religious and he practiced it and you are shocked?


He is a member of a church with diverse views on life


While the new Pope was being sworn in or whatever name the Catholic church referes to it ,the man making the announcement said "let us for graces for him from our God,Mary "




All pretence was off.



Ask charismatic member from the same and he will tell you that is not the official position of the church and until I comes the infallible Pope, it is not church statement

Catholic church watchers!! This was an interpreter error. Pope said, "Mary, our mother" in Italian.

Dtruthspeaker:
The invalidity of your church is based on its anty-Christian and anti-bible conduct and behaviour.

Every other church recognises, admits and confesses The Truth that it is taking and subscribing to a foreign religion which originated from Isreal.

Whereas your church is trying to steal the same foreign religion and trying to claim it as theirs through stealing Peter and claiming he is yours.

Whereas, Peter is an Isrealite and Catholicism is a Roman institution.

And stealing and not declaring the Truth and not giving honour to whom it is due are all anti Christian and anti bible activities.

Not to talk of your church now raising it's own version of anti biblical activities.

These are the basis of their invalidation.

And no you know you Lie (see you are doing what your church does) in saying a few bad eggs. Whereas you have millions and millions of bad eggs.

And I have given you the opportunity to bring the proper and valid evidence to prove that claim of your church but you do not have it. Which is still the same result I got when I checked for it. Thus, I dismiss it because of its absence of Truth Full and valid evidence.

I have told you severally that this it's hearsay evidence is absolutely not admissible and acceptable

For someone who didn't even know about Eusebius just a few days ago, you sure are making bold and sweeping statements, albeit misguided.
Please do some more research sincerely on the fate of peter and come back to this post in a few weeks/ months( May God give us long live).
About the so called atrocities of some church members this is a strawman argument and doesn't invalidate the good.

While doing some research, have an open mind about what Catholic church actually is and teaches without 21st century lens divorced from Christian history as well as the prejudice you already exhibit, so that you can have stronger arguments even if you don't agree with the church.
You may find you have no valid basis for even believing in the books of the bible talk less of your own misguided sola scriptura interpretations. Shikena

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you understand that this does not make sense? For Enckakar, Ogboni, Jw, 7th day Adventist do this too?

And this is not to forget that your church committed atrocities which are called crimes against humanity. Is it Jesus Who sent them to those things?

As I said 'by their fruits ye shall know them"!

Anyway, all these are a departure from post and the bottom line is that the Catholic church does not have any valid proof and evidence of their claim. Thank you

It won't make sense to you because you dismiss church sacred tradition and believe sola scriptura with no context, as though there was not a church already existing.
We all know when these groups you listed started and can't even be brought into the conversation.
Eckankar – 1965
Ogboni – not Christian
Jehovah’s Witnesses – 1870s
Seventh-day Adventist Church – 1863

Why not try going further back to the 1st few decades and start from there. Go to Ignatius of Antioch, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr and others who were taught by the apostles or their immediate successors.

Your argument stlye is what I call 'clutching at straws'. Ok there where some bag eggs amongst the faithful, how does that invalidate the entire church(is it the crusades or the inquisition you're to - there were valid reasons to start those)? I mean, look at the men Jesus himself selected, did Peter not deny him, Judas nko and his betrayal ,did the other disciples not flee when Jesus was taken! Do you think the protestant churches that came after did any better? (so many atrocities carried out)

Your claim that the Catholic church has no valid proof of its claim ignores both scripture and history. You don't have to agree, but dismissing it without engaging the evidence is not the same as refuting it.

fireboydey4u:
Winners is one of the richest churches in the world

Some truth in that although the scale difference is enormous compared to topic at hand.

Dtruthspeaker:
As I said, the closest I will get in answering this question is that "by their fruits ye shall know them"!

The bold was not part of what Jesus established.

You can see seeds of what Jesus established here:
Luke 10:16
“He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.”

Matt16:18–19
“You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven...”

Matt 18:17-
“If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.”


Research how the early church functioned. Unfortunately you can't get all the info from sola scriptura because the NT came out within a living church with its structures and tradition already in place.

sanerugwei:
Catholic means Universal... Church of Rome, is like saying Church of England aka Anglican Church, that is why they specifical identified their own as Roman Catholic Church, It was not by chance.

Historically, most of the West including this same England and most of Africa fell within the jurisdiction of the see of Rome. This same See served as the de facto centre of unity amongst the pentarchy and was referred to as the see that "presides in love" ( by Ignatius of Antioch c.110ad). If others split from it, what is it then called?

Today, which church truly embodies that universal character that is catholic?

sanerugwei:
You are mistaken, Catholic Church and Roman Catholic church are not the same thing. You need to take a cue and study the history of the early church and apostolic track. Most of the early apostles were killed in Rome or by Rome, they have nothing to do with the Roman Catholic church which was remodeling of the Roman part of the Pentarchy when they claimed[b] first among equals[/b].
Penta means five episcopal Sees, as they were five main church centers back then, including[b] Jerusalem, Antioch(Antakya, Turkey), Constantinople(Istanbul, Türkiye) , Alexandria(Egypt) and Rome(Italy).[/b] This is why Vatican calls itself the Holy See.

So go and learn your history and thank me later...

Topic was always going to get derailed! Fyi - the term Roman Catholic was made up by Anglicans after the Reformation. the Church has always referred to itself simply as the Catholic Church which includes over 20 Eastern Catholic Churches in full communion with Rome.

The real historical split was between East and West( the Great Schism) dividing the Latin Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches.

Where is this other catholic church o?

gabicon:
The Roman empire was not conquered or destroyed it became a church.

The British empire also was not conquered or destroyed it became a bank.

To know the wealth of the Catholic church, you have to ask the question of where all the wealth of the Roman empire domiciled. The value of just documentation in custody of the Catholic church runs into billions.

Exact quote from a Joe Rogan interview!