CROWNWEALTH019:

In your life, don't ever make this useless statement

In your life try to always think before you type.

TheLastDon1:

You are not alone dear..I have also contemplated the meaning of existence and the place of God in the life of man. I have come to believe that nobody has the right answer to this question.

Greater men before us have contemplated these questions without any conclusive result.

I have felt the loneliness you speak of. The Isolation can be crippling.

Nigeria is a very religious country.But Religion practised by most of us is a substitute for culture.
I have grown in my understanding of our human condition. Not everybody is a thinker, just like not everybody has musical talent or a lawyers acumen or a great painter's eye.
Life is extremely complicated and the burden of knowledge makes life weary.
The concept of God is a useful and approximate way to live a life beneficial to oneself and neighbours without the burden of Understanding.
Life need not be understood to be lived and enjoyed fully.
This scheme of things is an inheritance from our wise ancestors.
If you are blessed with the gift of logical thought, think away, but do not be condescending to those who you perceive as ignorant of the truth.They might just have it better than you. They might be engrossed in enjoying the music of life without understanding it.

It is not those who understand a thing creatively that attain maximum utility from it , but they who use it as it is.


Incessant logical thought is a burden and not everybody is cursed with it.

This is my current perspective on religion, it might change with maturity and understanding.

So do you think there is extreme wisdom in walking in the knowledge of God?

Martinez19:
see, I might be adding as they skipped my mind earlier. I repeat
1) sit down and relax
2) apply your reasoning, logic, intuition, common sense and senses. Also use your moral compass which is biologically ingrained in us.

Now I want you to tell me how you know that you know what you know?

How can something that serious skip your mind as you claim?

Let me break this down to you because it's now certain you do not understand what you are saying.

1. Reasoning, logic, common sense are not universally on the same level for everyone so this is one of such cases when what works for one would certainly not work for everyone.

2. Senses are not factual because not all fact is subject to the senses so it can be deceptive.

3. Morality itself isn't biological because the this is the pattern through which morality is arrived at.

A) Trigger
B) Emotions
C) Morality.

Something triggers out emotions and something else triggers that which triggers our emotions. We then take decisions based on our emotions which result in morality.

However, before any decision is taken based on our emotions which would either be moral or immoral there is something that decision is weighed with and this also isn't biological.

I started by saying reasoning, logic and common sense are not universally the same and this is true.

A highly educated person would arrive at a different perspective from an uneducated person using logic, reasoning and common sense but that does not mean the educated person is right because even his education is limited to his environment while the uneducated one may be wiser due to practical know how and not text book knowledge.

So you are still not saying anything.

CoolUsername:
Paul McCartney remains one of the richest musicians from royalties gotten off his old songs when he was in the Beatles. The band broke up in 1971.

This post shows you have no idea what is being discussed here.

Narldon:



Brethren just give ur life to Christ now,


Not when u see me in heaven beside Father Abraham and you will start shouting



"Pashality!" "Pashality!!"





I will just stone you hymn book!

@ I will just stone you hymn book

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Martinez19 I am still waiting o or was my line of questioning too deep and too tough for you?

ScienceWatch:
It is good to hear from you mighty chosen one. I was continuously banned by NL and I enjoyed every minute. I was on many sites sharing the scary hidden truths of Atheism.

I LOVE YOU JESUS !!!

Continuously banned or continuously reported?

If the latter then you must be a thorn in the sides of many here

ScienceWatch:
lol. Very loud. A picture says a thousand words. That pic is like a book about the evolution of Atheism.

The apes that refused to evolve when atheists asked them to, were wise indeed. They knew that a dreadful life of cursing their creator was their only reward.

LMAO bro where have you been?

Martinez19:
process :
1) sit down and relax
2) apply your reasoning, logic, intuition, common sense and senses. Also use your moral compass which is biologically ingrained in us.

Now I want you to tell me how you know that you know what you know?

With each new answer you give you keep adding extras.

First you said it was through reasoning, intuition and your senses.

Next you added logic

Now you are adding moral compass which you claim is "biologically ingrained" in us.

It's like you are not even sure how you arrived at your position because all I see are confused and unsure words coming from you

I already cancelled out reasoning, logic, senses and intuition from your list so let's deal with your "biologically ingrained" moral compass shall we?

Let's start from the very beginning. Emotions are said to be intangible until when expressed so in a nutshell, emotions cannot be proven until when acted upon. Until we act on what we are impressed upon to feel then our emotions do not exist. Morality is the expression of our emotions.

How could our very origin of no control and no meaning, bring about something as meaningful as emotional expression or even controlled emotions which result in our morality or lack of?

Saying morality is biological is like saying the universe is the earth. It is a non sequitur.

Martinez19:
Those are my answers. If you feel that they are incomplete, fine that's your wahala. Now answer my question.

You still don't get it. I never claimed TO KNOW. YOU DID!

so I am simply asking you to show me the infallible way you arrived at your truth and knowing?

Or was this not your claim when you said and I quote

Martinez19:
lucky you bro. At least you started early but I started at 20 as an atheist. Wasted my teenage years reading and memorising the bible, couldn't date my dream girl because of church doctrines and being too spiritual. If only I had sat down earlier to think. All I needed was to sit down and think. It is well bro, seeing the world as it is and knowing the truth brings freedom

You said all you needed to do was sit down and think so can you guide me through the process you used when THINKING that made it an infallible one which caused you to arrive at truth and to also believe that your view of the world IS AS IT SHOULD BE?

VeeVeeMyLuv:

TV

Because of the E. T movie? Or you didn't watch because there was none to watch.

Martinez19:
logic, intuition, reasoning and the senses. My former lost is in complete. Answer my own.

Logic is an endless loop and not a conclussion.
Reasoning is individualised so not definite.
Senses are limited so not trustworthy

So these are obviously lacking. You are yet to answer my question.

Martinez19:
I know facts through my intuition and senses. Oya answer my own.

Now logic comes into play. How are you sure that your intuition is right?

Not all facts are tangible so our "senses" are limited to their perception hence not reliable.

So how sure are you about your senses and Intuition. Intuition is often fueled by experiences and since experiences vary from person to person so is the likelihood of intuition.

How did you arrive at the perfection of yours which led you to truth and that your view of the world is true?

VeeVeeMyLuv:

Possibly maybe, that was in the 90s I cud still remember that period we didn't watch for like a whole year.

You didn't watch what? The movie or the flying man on a special bicycle?

Martinez19:
how do you know that you know what you know?

I asked a question and instead of answering you ask me a question instead?

Do you atheists ever have answers to anything you are asked or you simply just enjoy asking others questions instead?

Kindly answer my question please. Be brave enough to try.

You are a claimed freethinker, I am not so do not redirect a question I specifically asked you to me.

Xisnin:


Illiterate, their is no key to medicine. At every age there are snake oil salesman hoping to deceive
dumb suckers by selling them hope, unfortunately such characters no longer thrive in organized
society but have become an object of reverence for jobless conspiracy theorists and
gullible citizens of backward nations who don't know any better.

Who stops you from buying your magical garlic and using it?

I know your spirit have already been defeated and locked up but you should keep your madness to
yourself.
Modern medicine is based on verifiable results, merely making a claim doesn't cut it.

You wouldn't dream of calling me an illiterate if you knew me so I will chalk off your comment as an ignorant one.

You call those who make these claims snake oil salesmen ignorantly. These same people have offered to have their modes of treatments and their patients verified on a before and after basis but is this ever done? NO

The reason why they refuse doing so is because these claims to cures always come form alternative medicine sources and based on this, the so called "modern" medicine authorities do not recognise alternative medicine practitioners as professionals or as actually being medically competent so group their claims as quacks.

A major example was a man known as Dr. Sebi from Honduras. He was famous for vegetable cell food compounds to fortify the body.

He was popular for having “cured AIDS” and all other diseases. He has treated several high-profile individuals including the late Michael Jackson and the late Lisa “Left Eye” Lopes.

You need to read up about him and the circumstances surrounding his death. Lisa left eye lopes swore to make his name known all over the world after he treated her of what "modern" Medicine could not and it was shortly after that statement of hers that she died / was killed in a car crash.

Kindly stop calling people you do not know anything about "illiterate " a lot of us here on nairaland are way beyond your exposure level and your academic worth yet we frolic at the level of everyone.

AreaFada2:


Why can't black countries protect such people and ensure such discovery is kept secret? And just use it to cure own population. If a Nigerian quietly develops it and FG use it to cure all our HIV patients, is it bad? If we know what we are doing, why rely on the West for approval?

Nobody relies on the west for approval. Just that medicine is meant for the good of all irrespective of the race involved. However, despite this being the intent, the true global powers who hold the keys to medicine and medical breakthroughs run it as a "mafian" organisation and kill off any contenders or anyone who would make them loose money.

It's like garlic which is a natural antibiotic and antifungal agent not being encouraged because it can be gotten very cheap so they end up mixing it with other things so it can be sold at higher values.

A lot of people have laid claim to being able to cure HIV naturally but their claims never see the light of day because they are immediately called quacks.

Terminator1234g:
YOU CAN MAKE YOUR RESEARCH ANY PERSON ALMOST ON THE VERGE OF attaining the cure has been assassinated.
Easy, NEW WORLD ORDER. WHAT THOSE GUYS RUNNING THE WORLD THINK IS FAR MORE SOPHISTICATED THAN WHAT WE WATCH ON TV OR HEAR.

very soon the world will be over populated and earth will be a difficult place so they've invented and brought wars, killer vaccines etc to reduce population.
HIV IS RAMPANT IN AFRICA, SO DO you THINK THAT THOSE GUYS REALLY CARE BOUT AFRICA.

WHEN OP SAID THE "WHITES" HE MEANT THE AMERICANS. LET ME TELL YOU AMERICA IS WHAT IT IS TODAY BECAUSE OF IMMIGRANTS EG; NIGERIANS AND LATINOS...

NIGERIANS ARE SMARTER THAN THEM BY FAR BUT WITH SUCH BLESSINGS COMES BIG PROBLEMS.

A.

I totally agree. Any black who has claimed to have a cure, rather than investigating this cure they quickly silence such persons by labelling them with all sorts of negative tags and in worst case scenarios arrange the death of such persons.

Cadec007:
Must the whites produce everything? Y can't the blacks that brought the disease find a cure.
I think the Q that should interest us is 'why are we so dependant on the whites?' for christ sake these guys are our equals not our masters.!!!

The blacks who have ever claimed to have a cure have either been silenced or killed. This is fact!

Martinez19:

This is freethinking 101 why not give me a crash course on it.

1) What is truth!
2) How do you know that the world you are seeing is actually how it is?

MizMyColi:


Thats the thing. I do not need to prove, not to myself or anyone who will eventually, or already knows as i do.

You mean the same people whom you say they should be true to themselves and live their own truths are now the same people who would know as you do without knowing how you arrived at your own KNOWING?

like seriously?

MizMyColi:
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Give to caesar what belongs to caesar, and to God, what belongs to God.

This does not explain nor come close to what I said.
You said Everyone should be true to themselves and live their truth. So how then can anyone even know what it is to be true to themselves about and what truth to live by if they are FREE to live as they please?

Have you considered the ripple effect of your statement and the actions attached to it?

If everyone was free to live as they please who then would be able to say anything is right or anything is wrong after all, everyone is living according to THEIR INDIVIDUAL TRUTHS.

Would this world then be better or worse?

Billyonaire:


You are the proof. You lucid dream, dont you ? You experience the sensation of falling into the inwards of you in your final seconds before sleep every night, will you deny that ? Now, I have found away to stay on while this body falls into sleep.

Will you dare try so you can find the proof for yourself ? I guess its now a bad idea....lol

That is not proof. A multiverse is said to be a combination of many universes and breaking it down, this means each universe is tangible and as real as our own.

The kind of dimensions you imply is that which you need to explain or offer proof.

MizMyColi:


I do not think that the yardstick (if any) with which i "know" should be up for debate or public consumption

.

Well it should be up for public consumption because if indeed you do KNOW then it would be extremely generous of you to help someone also KNOW using your "proven" yardstick. It's all about spreading "the love" as it were wouldn't you say?

If you know, you know. My "knowing" might be different from your "knowing". Everyone should be true to themselves and live their truth.

Your statement depends on that which you say "you know"

If everyone was to be true to themselves (selfish) and live THEIR TRUTH what would you then say about the serial killers, paedophiles, mass murderers, and those of other vices who are also living THEIR TRUTHS?

Billyonaire:


Yes, we are in a multiverse interwoven by dimensions.

Proof?

VeeVeeMyLuv:
at about same age I only saw the man fly with a special bike

How did you know it was a man and not a woman? Did you see details?

I think that movie E. T was fueling your imagination.

donnie:


Frank Edwards doesn't even agree that what they sing is Secular. According to him, they sing Erotic Music.

Yes that's true. All they do is shoot videos with skimpily dressed ladies accompanied by lust fueled lyrics and nothing more.

johnydon22:


I agree with this.

There is a certain degree of condescending stance inherent in the adoption of labels. Somehow we all know better, somehow we are all better.

Labels also narrows our views to a confined space, diminishes the periphery of our ideological basis.

2nd Timothy 3: 1-7

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power . And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth

MizMyColi:


Yes, fluidity.
That's the word.

I think that that helps you relate better with others, irrespective of where you think they are.

Cos sometimes, the path of enlightenment comes with pride, and it's not healthy.

Labels are quite a nice route to that kind of pride.

I find that maintaining a state of humility, not just so people can say "Ohh, look at her, she is so brilliant and knows so much about esoteric stuff, yet she so down to earth" - in fact, that shouldn't be a motivation at all (in my opinion at least).

I think that it should come from a place of KNOWING, yet assuming the posture of a seeker, always, always.

How do you know that you know? What yardstick do you use to measure this your KNOWING that proves that you KNOW as a certainty?

Saying you know yet still assuming the posture of a seeker is subtle deception wouldn't you say?

rinrin23:
. I'll quote Carl Jung when he says "As a child I felt myself to be alone, and I am still because I know things and must hint at things that others know nothing of and for the most part do not want to know. Loneliness does not come from having no one about, but from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to oneself or from holding views which others find inadmissible ".

The issue shouldn't be about communication alone. The question you should be asking should be if those views you find important to you are pure and true and also if others must listen to your views as a right when it does not agree with theirs?

Value is everything! How valuable and weighty are these views you hold and how far reaching are they?

johnydon22:


I understand this position perfectly. Labels can be restricting and an unnecessary confinement. They throw out a subtle presumption about you to people who do not know you or what you stand for.

Recognizing or reconciling with no label is the best way to live. you broaden your horizon past the confines of people's tags which more than often forms the basis of their assumption of who you are.

I do not like labels myself (of late) people sometimes force you to walk a straight line

Complete hyocrisy here. Yet when we say Christianity is not a religion but a life you all go for the jugular and call us mad but here you are rejecting labels as if you have the sole right to do so and that when you do it it's the most sensible thing to do as long as you endorse it.

Bunch of hypocrites.

johnydon22:


Ignore the guy quoting you on this. He is quoting everyone to get attention

So now it's ignore me?

Have you ever told any of your fellow atheists to ignore us when you jump on any of the Christian threads to post your usual nonsense despite not being invited?

Have you ever adviced your people to look away? Here I am on a thread for freethinkers as a Christian and you suddenly found your voice and are asking them to ignore.

I guess you all are a bunch of hypocrites who like giving but not taking what you give when the table is turned.

I am not seeking attention unlike you lonely souls who jump all over the place looking for Christian threads to destroy. I have all the attention I need and am simply offering you what you also do when uninvited.

Bunch of hypocrites!