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Emusan:
Jesus is not you who can lied.

So how could Jesus know something only the Father know if they are not same person? That makes Jesus a LIAR!

If Jesus can't lie, do you agree with him that Only the Father know the day and hour ?

Emusan:
So, why are people died today IMMEDIATELY THEIR HEART STOPPED?

Every death is an absence of spirit. It takes a person with spirit to be declared living

Remember, you're trying to equate this with Adam, when in fact, Adam was already formed COMPLETELY before.

Either completely formed or not. It takes Spirit to activate Life ,and the moment it's gone, death happens ( James 2:26)

So at the point of activation of life for Adam and a Foetus.

What did God gave Adam and a Foetus in the womb to declare them living

- transfer a spirit person

- transfer breath

Well, your analogy is out of point.
God gave every human A SPIRIT and that spirit is a PERSON.

@undrrlined is laughable, so you mean God TRANSFERRED SPIRIT TO ALL BABIES IN THE WOMB including those ENEMIES OF JEHOVAH

Yes every Baby in the womb get Breath of life from God without it , it's death.

On the other hand , you claim it's a person, I ask again: Do you admit it means God transferred a Spirit person inside the womb?

Emusan:
But the Son KNOWS ALL THINGS!
Reason why you claimed the Apostles made MISTAKE for your selfish reason.
No! Come with another lie

Matthew 24:36 the son doesn't know the day and hour!!! That simply means he doesn't know all things! only the Father knows.


If Jesus knows all things. By implication Jesus, a perfect person , LIED to the world, that he doesn't know the day and hour , and that only the Father know when there are two that knows ?

Emusan:
That is what you displayed in your post and I'm glad I pointed it out for you to see.
Now, the BABY IS LIVING WITHOUT HEART at that TIME.
Which means your analogy of BODY WITHOUT SPIRIT is pure nonsense.
God gave EVERY HUMAN SPIRIT

The underlined is the Focus. The Baby is Living, for that human in the womb to be living, its a testament to the presence of Spirit. Without which it would be declared Dead. ( James 2:26)

What did God gave that baby in the womb to make it living.

- Breath

- Spirit person

and the Spirit is a person reason why scripture says the spirit KNOWS THE THOUGHT
ONLY A PERSON has the ability to know THOUGHT.
If you disagree and believe that INANIMATE OBJECT can KNOW THOUGHT present your fact here.

If the spirit is a person, that means God transferred a Spirit person from heaven into the body in the womb to make it alive, right ?

Emusan:
That is the difference between you and I.
Here is the point again.
The same PEOPLE Jesus stood in their presence and said ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS, is the same PEOPLE WHO DECLARED IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS (WHO ONCE SAID ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS) that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

The meaning of "ALL THINGS" as used for Jesus was so profound that you and your cohorts CLAIMED THE APOSTLES MADE MISTAKE simply because of you people hatred for the TRUTH.

So, let me repeat the point I've been hammering on your empty skull since.

The Apostles made that statement in the PRESENCE OF Jesus, if there is something wrong with IT, Jesus is the one who is in the right position to CORRECT THEM but alas Jesus went to reinforced what THEY BELIEVED.

Definitely, it's you who FAILED to understand Jesus not Jesus Himself nor His Apostles.



I've colored your delusion, read it again and tell me how it makes sense to you.



Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS

Reason why you and your cohorts made the bold statement that the Apostles MADE MISTAKE.

If that is not an implications to you then no way you can be redeemed from your delusion

" oNLY tHe FATHER KNOWS, the son doesn't know " is the Correction!

And that's the point deluded you cannot ever explain and as been jumping around since. If ONLY The Father knows, the Son cannot know and that means the Son doesn't know all things.

The correction is in Matthew 24:36 straight from Jesus mouth

Emusan:
And the scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.
If you're not a manipulative person.
Why did you say the Apostles made MISTAKE for saying Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS?
That was because you quite know what it means to KNOW ALL THINGS.

You just open your mouth like it isn't The scriptures also that say the Son doesn't know the day and hour , the scriptures further it more . Only the Father knows the day and hour .

In light of that truth, anyone said to know all things but doesn't know the day nd hour doesn't know all things. To know all things , you should know the day and hour , which the Scriptures clarify the Son doesn't know.

You see that area I bolded , it proofs there is only one person in the entire universe who knows all things . The Father.

Is Jesus the Father ?

Emusan:
That means your point body without spirit is useless.
So God sat with a woman and was doing all this with His own hand during pregnancy bah..
Too many dull post

Ignorance.

Except the baby in the womb isn't living. Presence of life is a testament to the presence of Spirit.

What is the Spirit that God gave this Foetus that enable it come to life?

1. A spirit person

2. Breath

Emusan:
And the scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

The scripture also said the Holy spirit KNOWS THE THOUGHT of God.

" only" is written there. The above is saying Jesus lied when he said only the Father when others also know.


Is Jesus the Father ?

Is Holy spirit the Father ?

Emusan:
Your ignorance is very glaring.

So you believe God BREATH IN EVERY WOMAN WOMB anytime they get pregnant.

Including those you consider ENEMIES OF GOD

This is very laughable.




Medically, when a baby is forming in the womb the body and brain have formed to certain level before HEART formed, even before heart formed, can we say the baby is dead?

That is the knitting together stage, he did same for Adam from the dust of the ground.

" You [God] made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb " Psalm 139:13

God gave what he knit together Spirit , which is ?

1. - Breath of life

2. A spirit person transferred

Emusan:
But that statement was MADE IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS CONCERNING JESUS HIMSELF.

Why are you turning your blind eyes to this fact.

Do you think Jesus will not correct His own Apostles if they make any MISTAKE?

You have this mindset because Watchtower had brainwashed you to accept that after Jesus chosen Watchtower as the ONLY true religion on earth Jesus still left them to be MAKING MISTAKES.

Jesus said ' Only the Father know the day and hour '

Is Jesus the Father ? Die He lied ?

Emusan:

No where in the scripture you read that God EVER SENT ANYTHING INTO woman WOMB, it's part of your delusion.

God GAVE HUMAN SPIRIT and that Spirit is a PERSON as The spirit has the ABILITY TO KNOW thought.

Only a person has the ABILITY to know THOUGHT.

proof me wrong on this first.

God gave Spirit to man at what point ?

" Body without spirit is dead"

This means that Baby in the womb needed Spirit to come alive, So the question is what did God gave that body in the womb or Adam at creation to come alive.

1. A spirit person ( Since spirit is a person)

2. Breath [ a force of life]

Emusan:
Read the scripture I provided earlier.

The goal post is about to be shift again

It wasn't Jesus speaking in the verses you provided, those speaking contradicted Jesus at Matthew 24:36

Emusan:
Your head is already overheating.
Try to relax when
because what jargons did you put up here?
So you know GOD ACTUALLY SENT something to womb.

Well, that is your own perverted understand.

God gave EVERY HUMAN A spirit and the Spirit is a PERSON.

What did God send into the Earthly womb

1. Spirit person

2. Breath of life

Provide where scripture say this.

The Holy Knows the THOUGHT of God.

Let that sink first

Matthew 23:46 some thoughts are for the Father alone. Is holy spirit the same person called Father ?

Emusan:
1. Was Jesus heard His own Apostles when they said we know that YOU(Jesus) KNOW ALL THINGS?

2. If it was a MISTAKE will Jesus correct them?

3. Why did Jesus ACKNOWLEDGED TBEIR STATEMENT rather than ENDORSING IT?

Provide where he endorse their statement with his own mouth that he knows all things ?

I can provide where he admitted he doesn't know all things.

Emusan:
I've provided the scripture just tell me what I said was not in God's word.

In short you can't find anywhere Jesus himself contradicted what he admitted about the son at Matthew 23:46 ?

Emusan:
Says you.

Says The meaning of spirit of man is a person.

Did God send a spirit person to wombs or breath ?

The Holy spirit KNOWS THE THOUGHT OF GOD.
The truth was so heavy for you that you have to say it's PERSONIFICATION.

Jesus knows ALL THINGS

You can't bear this truth you have to spew the trash that the Apostles MADE MISTAKE.

But holy spirit doesn't know the Father thought concerning the day and hour ?

Two persons or one person. Who knows the day and hour ?

Emusan:

Is John 16:30 and John 21:17 not in YOUR BIBLE?

The scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

You contended with this truth so teeee you have to called the blessed Apostles liar.

Remember you can't provide where Jesus or anyone in the Bible called Jesus Michael.

You still can't provide where Jesus contradict his own statement that the son doesn't know the day nd hour ?

Emusan:
His listeners heard Him when He made that statement and the same LISTENERS SAID THEIR LORD AND MASTER KNOWS ALL THINGS and their MASTER AND LORD ACKNOWLEDGED it.

Reason why you called it MISTAKE ON THEIR PART because you're an enemy of the truth.

Eeyahhhhh
Provide where Jesus himself contradicted himself that he doesn't know the day and hour ?

Emusan:
No! Going back to default mode.


Spirit of man is a person that is why JE HAS ABILITY TO KNOW OUR THOUGHT.

The challenge has come back, proof to me first how INANIMATE OBJECT CAN KNOW THOUGHT.

A spirit person was sent inside earthly wombs like Jesus Christ birth ?

Your claim not mine.

The scripture says Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

You know the implication that was the reason you called the blessed Apostles liar.

Jesus said only the Father knows his own thoughts. Nobody else know his thoughts concerning the day and hour. Just admit Jesus lied because this single statement has ruined everything you saying

Emusan:
I've provided John 16:30 and John 21:17

Just remove those parts from your Bible so that you'll have rest of mind.

For someone that doesn't know the day and hour ...

So you can't provide where he said it himself ?

Shame.

Emusan:
But you already agreed.

You delusion won't pass just like that.

So, you have billion of gods to be worship.

Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

You know this and that was reason, you lied and said the Apostles made MISTAKE.

He never said so.


"The son doesn't know " Matthew 23:46

Who is the Son?
Is he lying here?

Emusan:
Only a PERSON can know THOUGHT

Spirit of man isnt a person , yet it's said to know thought.

The scripture says HOLY SPIRIT knows THE VERY THOUGHT OF GOD.

Reason why you resulted to PERSONIFICATION because you know the implication.

And Jesus lied only the Father knows his own thoughts ?

Emusan:
Jesus ACKNOWLEDGED that HE KNOWS ALL THINGS.

So, it's evident you're the one who is out of the picture here.

Show this thread where he said He knows all things ?

Emusan:
My point is on 1 John 2:20.

IF you agreed that WE ALL THINGS, that makes us God Almighty.

Now, you want to change gear, you're too dull for that.

The scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

To know ALL THINGS means to be God Almighty.

Your confusion is the same as that of your deluded colleague about PARTAKER of divine nature.

In the process of trying to be clever, you created a bigger gallow and put your own neck in it.

That is why the Son confess he doesn't know the day and hour. He isn't God Almighty, he has a God.

Emusan:
If it will hurt me, I'll be spinning or trying to twist it like you did to the pure Apostles confession and Gods word about the Holy spirit KNOWING THE THOUGHT OF GOD.

so Since holy spirit is a distinct person from the Father.
So why didn't holy spirit know the day and hour ?

Emusan:
Now another spinning.

You people are truly shameless.

So, you must BELIEVE before you can TRANSLATE.

Then, this is another evidence that NWT translators HEAVILY MANIPULATED THEIR TRANSLATION since they ALREADY HAVE A CERTAIN BELIEVE ABOUT JESUS.

And the Apostles is Jesus made those statements in the PRESENCE OF JESUS.

If it will hurt me, I'll be spinning or trying to twist it like you did to the pure Apostles confession and Gods word about the Holy spirit KNOWING THE THOUGHT OF GOD.

Jesus confess himself that he doesn't know certain things ( Matthew 23:46)

Isn't Jesus witness greater ?

Emusan:
because you're contending with these scriptural TRUTH above, you begin to twist Gods word and liar against Jesus Apostles that:

At least that is apostles
While you are making Jesus himself a liar by not agreeing with him that only the Father knows the day and hour, and the son doesn't know

Emusan:

This means we don't KNOW ALL THINGS.

A subtle remind, you know the reason why you want the Apostles statement to be A MISTAKE.....

Can you see why your initial acknowledgment was so dumb to begin with.

You Re admitting we don't know all things because we have a God
It means Jesus doesn't know all things too since he has a God he worship. He isn't Almighty.

Emusan:
not only panta but the MEANING!

I have provided the NWT version of both VERSES.


Now, it's evident believers ARE NOT SAID TO BE ALL KNOWING as applied to Jesus Christ.

NWT translators don't believe Jesus is All knowing. It means they regard those statements as the same with 1John 2:20

Reason why you people have been going round in circle since trying to change narration and perverted God's word.

The scripture evidences that

1. Jesus knows ALL THINGS.
2. The Holy spirit not only knows the MIND of God but the VERY THOUGHT of God.

because you're contending with these scriptural TRUTH above, you begin to twist Gods word and liar against Jesus Apostles that:

1. They MADE MISTAKE
2. Personification was used for the Holy spirit.

After these were debunked and thrashed in the bin...

You begin to attack a straw man.



But the same disciples who made that statement later ACKNOWLEDGED that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

So it's you who find it difficult to understand Our Lord and Master.

It was Jesus himself who made the statement at Matthew 23:46 that He doesn't know some things Only the Father knows.

You see that statement Only the Father knows, it will keep haunting you

Emusan:
Nobody asked to shalaye...

Since you agreed that we ALL KNOW ALL THINGS then everyone is ALMIGHTY GODS

Which means you have billion of Gods to worship.
You already AGREED that to KNOW ALL THINGS MEANS TO BE GOD ALMIGHTY, so swallow this your delusion for now.

But Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS which Jesus Himself ACKNOWLEDGED.

Definitely, it's you without brain that don't understand Jesus.
Jesus Apostles knows their MASTER AND LORD and they have TOLD US MUCH ABOUT HIM.

No one take you FRAUDSTER serious

The bold is why you ain't smart, if I'm Almighty I dont have to worship any God. Almighty doesn't have a God. Wake up !

Emusan:
Reason why you couldn't add the translation you used.

because you know you're an hypocrite and a FRAUDULENT PERSON.

Here is how your NWT puts it "And YOU have an anointing from the holy one; all of YOU have knowledge."

This how the same NWT puts john 16:30 "Now we know that you know all things and you do not need to have anyone question you.+ By this we believe that you came out from God.”

John 21:17 NWT " He said to him the third time: “Simon son of John, do you have affection for me?”* Peter became grieved that he said to him the third time: “Do you have affection for me?” So he said to him: “Lord, you know all things;"

compare those verses.

All the verses have " Panta" meaning know all things. In them, that means we know all things too.

I've already addressed that. Stop taking us back

FRAUDSTER

According to you only the Father means , The Father knows, the son knows, and the holy spirit knows. 3 people know. Did Jesus mention three people or one person?

You are the real FRaUDSTER

Jesus admitted there are things he doesn't know. Matthew 23:46

Emusan:
Yes! That is one of the ATTRIBUTES that makes God to be God.

R3ason you claimed the Apostles made MISTAKE because you know Tue implication.

So back to my question, do you agreed that we KNOWING ALL THINGS make us to be God Almighty?

" Yes "
ALMIGHTY GOD cannot have a God, Yes?

Since Jesus have a God , he isn't almighty, and with your admission that who isn't Almighty cannot know all things. There are things Jesus doesn't know , Matthew 23:46 is true.

Stop taking us back, we've past that stage.


The stage we are now is how DID APOSTLES MADE MISTAKE for saying Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS and Jesus didn't correct them but allow this statement to find its way into GOD'S WORD?

Every lying mouth must be shut down!

Jesus know Matthew 23:46 will find it's way into God's word. Anyone with a brain can then understand that Only the Father know all things, there are things Jesus doesnt know