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Emusan:
Jesus the Creator of you and EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE.

So, He is the Almighty God.

Almighty cannot have a God.

Jesus was a servant before humanity ( Isaiah 42:1) .

He was never Almighty at any point in History

Lol.....after realized the gravity of that statement.

No! It's your problem because if the Father and Son are actually ONE IN INTENT then it means THERE'S NOTHING THE FATHER CAN HIDE FROM THE SON.

But what do you expect from a lying liar who claimed BIBLE CONTAINS CONTRADICTION and still using the other side of his empty brain to try to use the same contradicted book to proof nonsense.

So you know Jesus himself admitted the Fact hide the date from him ? Matt 24:36

Lolzzzzzzzzzzzz

Emusan:
Which means the same PERSON WHO DIED ON EARTH IS THE SAME TALKING IN HEAVEN.

Waooo I love that.

But the part you don't like in that verse 18 is this "I am THE LIVING ONE" God Almighty has been known for ages as only being who regards to be LIVING ONES.

But here Jesus reaffirm His ALMIGHTY statues.

The point is , he said " I was Dead "

Meaning he died. Which doesn't stop God from being wise while he was dead

The BODY DIED.

Spirit don't DIED.

YOU AGREE THAT JESUS WAS A SPIRIT BEING BEFORE COMING TO EARTH.

OPONU.....

" He emptied himself "

Died like a normal human. Suppose he wasn't ressurected, would have return to Dust

Thus the point stands. Christ being dead doesn't stop God from having knowledge, which he even used to ressurect the dead Jesus. Learn to think

Emusan:
Already settled this!

You lies have been exposed.

Matt 10:28 is about the Grave. The is the real lie exposed. Let me recap

One lie require many lies.

Lie 1: spirit of man mentioned at Eccl 12:7 is a person
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Since it return to heaven and wicked people can't be in God's kingdom. You needed the second lie

Lie 2: Yes they return to heaven, but God decide the final fate of the spirit person and send them to hell from there.

Question: Where is the biblical prove ?

Emusan : Matt 10:28

Lie 3: Wicked people proceed to hell on getting to heaven.

Question: So what is Human body doing in heaven since that is what matt 10:28 is all about ?

Emusan : Crickets#

Emusan:
Jesus is Almighty God!

That was His HUMAN PART!

He was a servant before becoming Human, I hope you know ? And also after becoming human.

Isaiah 42:1 .

Jesus was never God Almighty at any point in history. There was always someone greater.

No! You lack comprehension!

Don't let me even address your ignorance of that 1 Corin 6:16

Then it means both the Father and the Son are not ONE INTENT.

Your organization lied also then.

That's your problem, The Father didn't reveal the day and time to the Son is the TRUTH. Coming from Jesus himself. ( Matt 24:36) . He doesn't know

Emusan:
The human FLESH DIED.

NOT HIS ETERNAL BEING.

Spirit don't died.

Mumu

" I was dead " - Jesus Christ, Rev 1:18

Who is the I ?

Jesus Christ!

But Jesus knows ALL THINGS

and Jesus is The WISDOM OF YOUR GOD.

So, without Jesus Your God doesn't have any KNOWLEDGE

Jesus was Dead, but God was still wise. Don't be stupid

Emusan:
Yes! Jesus knows ALL THINGS but not my own ASSERTION BUT FROM THE SCRIPTURE!

The verse is self explanatory. My main point is, the people who stood in front of Jesus when Jesus made that statement you reference in that verse LATER ACKNOWLEDGED that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS HIMSELF.

Besides, the scripture says Jesus is "THE WISDOM OF GOD!"

Do you understand the implication of a lesser being to be the VERY WISDOM OF GOD ALMIGHTY?

mumu

And when Jesus died . God doesn't have wisdom.... Very daft person

Point remains Jesus admitted he doesn't know the day and hour and only his Father knows. irrespective of whatever anyone said on his behalf.

MightySparrow:
Your ignorance is captivating.

Are these referencess the only ones made about HOLY SPIRIT?
by Jesus

Please paste them and analyze.

I know you will dodge this challenge

Buddy
Holy spirit is greater than Jesus Christ?

Steep:
sin can only e committed against a person.

But someone can commit a sin against their own body? Sin against body organs?

It means the holy Spirit is a person

By implication, greater than Jesus Christ?

Emusan:
That was the human part.

No can can be compare to God Almighty but scripture didn't only compare Jesus Christ but put Him on the same Level.

It has nothing to do with being human, it's a testament to the Fact that he isn't Almighty. God almighty doesn't have anyone greater. Heb 6:13 is clear.

Still keep spewing the nonsense.
That statement was made in the presence of Jesus, and Jesus went to ENDORSED IT.
Shabi....that was the reason your evil mind said, Bible contains contradiction.

Jesus lied when he said ONLY the Father knows ?

Oponu....radarada.

Yes you're not ONE THE MOMENT YOU HIDE ANYTHING FROM YOUR WIFE.

Oneness is about having the same INTENT, how can you have THE SAME INTENT WITH ANOTHER WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HIDE SOMETHING FROM THEM?
Reason, it took you time before you answered that question and at the end you still displayed your emptiness.
Then they are NOT ONE INTENT.

That is the fact.

Meaning, Jesus lied!

Normally I know you don't have sense. But I don't know it's this critical.



" Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” 1Cor 6:16


In your little brain, the man who joins with a prostitute have told the prostitute everything in his mind and heart , hiding nothing? He doesn't most of the time. Yet the bible said he is one with the prostitute. If you don't understand what It means for husband and wife to be one, just speak. It has nothing to do with not revealing certain things. Fact remains the Father didn't reveal the day and hour to the Son. The same way an husband may not reveal certain things to his wife.

Emusan:
Matt 10 is about God having the final say over the dead.

God didn't bury people in the grave.

Oponu

Function but is about DEAD.

You see the reason I said you're OPONU

Cos you are a fool

Matt 10:28 is about the Grave.

The issue here is about what happened to wicked spirit person's that Return to heaven!?

Unrighteousness cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. How come Wicked persons are returning to the same Kingdom of God TO RETIRE

Nothing came from God into the BABY IN THE WOMB

Stop spewing this nonsense and stop disgracing yourself on public forum.

Not even when the nonsense you said about Job was refuted.

Comprehension is hard for you . You refuted nothing. At what point did Job began to exist as a living being? In the womb. That is the moment that signified the presence of Spirit.

If nothing came into the womb and activate life, it means NOTHING RETURNED! ...

Emusan:
That is why you claimed the Bible is contradictory.

But now pretending to be defending the same contradictory Book.

You can't eat your cake and also have it.

Jesus knows ALL THINGS.

That makes Him God Almighty.

God almighty dey get who greater than him? Olodo.


Jesus never said he knows all things , but he confess to not knowing the day and hour. This is the perfect testimony

Where did you reply YES?

Lying liar!

If the Father can hide something from the Son, that means they are NOT ONE which even your organization interpret as HAVING ONE INTENT.

This your delusion will outgrowing you don't worry

Cos you are a fool

If I hide some information from my wife, it means we are not one according to your useless thought.

The Father hide the day and hour from the Son! scriptural Fact Matt 24:36

Emusan:
Already.... Done deal!

Why are you afraid to answer

Do spirit person return to heaven with Physical body as mentioned in Matt 10:28?

If no, that means the text isn't about any spirit. Showing the spirit that return to God remain with God.

You are yet to prove that God judge what return to heaven! What we have at Matt 10:28 is a fully functioning human body

Job has breath in his NOSTRILS says the deluded one.

That lie not flies, he turned to God TRANSFERRING SOMETHING SOMETHING FROM HEAVEN TO THE WOMB...that lie bursted.

He is now chasing shadow

Human spirit is a person and the spirit knows human THOUGHT only a person have ability to know thought.

Proof me wrong on this first!

Still on that text

Ecc 12:7 " Return "

What came from God into the baby in the womb ?

A. Nothing
B. spirit Person
C. Breath of life


Whatever you pick in the option will tell us what RETURNS.

Emusan:
Boring this time.

Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Cry harder and hit your head on the wall, that won't remove the truth from the scripture.

Not even Jesus said so


The son doesn't know. Matt 24:36

Jesus himself said this.

Can the Father hide anything from the Son?

Simple Yes or No answer but you see him dancing around like headless chicken

Already replied Yes, but it's like you have sight and comprehension problem .

I even show you what he hide

Emusan:
Matt 10 is about God on human final destination its self explanatory.

Matt 10 mentions Body, is your human spirit going to heaven with Physical bodies now ?

Stop repeating your ignoramus.

This had been addressed long time ago.

Where did I tell you I have PhD?

You this false accuser people.

After Hus lying mouth had been exposed he's now looking for irrelevant legs to stand on.

Job failed.

Embryo with breath in the womb failed e.t.c

Which next lie remain for you now?

The spirit of man is a person and that is the reason the spirit can know THOUGHT.

Ecc 12:7 "Return"

That single word will ruin your entire empire of lies

'Nothing enters the womb' - Emusan

It means nothing return . Clap for yourself .

Sperm gives life not God.

As far as spirit come from God to give life as Eccl 12:7 , you must face the absurdity of your position.

Emusan:
No! It means your brain is so empty to accept the testimony of the scripture.

And since God can also decided not to know despite being ALL KNOWING and never stop being God.

Are you admitting that Jesus doesn't know the day and hour now ?

Yes, Jesus admitted it. ' Not even the son knows '

Answer my question oponu?

If eye is paining you, let me help you. God didn't reveal the day and hour to his son. That's what is hidden to the son ( Matt 24:36)

Emusan:
BUT THE SON KNOWS ALL THINGS.

You can remove that scripture from your already perverted version.

Which means he is a Liar to have claimed only the Father know the day and hour ?

Just admit it

As the truth is so heavy fro you to swallow.
Where is the answer oniro oshi?

Can the Father hide anything from the Son?

I told you, your exposed your own lying mouth that statement and it's the same statement that buried your lying mouth finally.
So the Father can hide something from the Son.

Yes or No?

Yes, Jesus admitted it. ' Not even the son knows '

Emusan:
Very oponu somebody, Matt was about God having power over man death.

Let that sink into your empty skull

So God only exercise that power with People with physical bodies.

" Nothing like PHYSICAL with spirit being, " - Emusan



We are talking about spirit person's that return to heaven now,

It means the spirit person's return to heaven both good and wicked and have a Nice time. God's holy dwelling becomes an haven for wicked spirit person's , No judgement.

Emusan , your Dumbness has PhD.

And this oponu was using Job to brag on how Baby in the womb has GOD'S BREATH.

HE even tried to create impression as if GOD SITS BESISED EVERY pregnant women to put life into their embryo.

Can you see how shameless you are?

What is causing you severe pain is,

God gave every human a Spirit.

The Spirit of man is a Person

The Spirit returned to God who gave human.

Do you need more cry?

If you go to school, you know the word " Return " in the bolded means to go back to where you are previously, If spirit of man is a person from God in heaven, it means it Came from heaven into the womb to give life to the body.

MightySparrow:
All spirit beings share the same essence just as all human beings share the same essence

So all humans are beings except Janosky that is a weed.

Same as
All spirit beings?
Of all the spirits, Holy Spirit is the only force not being

Have you received sense?

Why are afraid to paste the Nicean Greed?

Holy spirit is a force , the same way the spirit of man is a Force. If holy spirit is a person , Jesus lied when he said nobody knows except the Father because holy spirit must know.

Secondly, it means Holy spirit is GREATER Than Jesus. You can speak against Jesus and be forgiven, but sin against holy spirit is not forgivable, that's the proof that The person holy spirit is greater than Jesus. Dump that heresy you are spreading

Sand2022:
Yes, as a human he had some limitations. Notice that at Luke 2:52, he is said to be increasing in wisdom and physical stature. Jesus while in heaven had complete knowledge, but as a man, he had some limitations.

However, what's your thoughts about his sustaining ALL things. Does that sound like what a creature can do?

Use your Brain, only someone produced by another is called " SON" .

The title Son already tell you he is created

Emusan:
Beating around the bush....

Just admit you are stupid. Matthew 10:28 describe a fully functional physical body, is that what return to heaven?

Answer my question first oponu.

Nothing enters the womb, nothing return to God as well. For anything to return to God means God transferred something in the first place to activate life in the womb . Sit down in one place

Either admit your dumb Spirit person from heaven was transferred to the womb, or admit your dumb nothing enters the womb analogy

Emusan:
The point still remains JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Evidence from the scripture

Useless point . The son doesn't know the day and hour.

The more you dodge this question the more it shows you are afraid of your own lies
I've been asking you this question long time before now.
Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

I already answered you, you are just dumb

Matt 24:36 - Son admit the Father didn't tell him the date. That's what he hide from him

Sand2022:
That is consistent with what the Bible says. He does not know just as Jehovah's witnesses teach with regards to the Sodomites. You teach that Jehovah only knew when he came down to observe. So from JW view, you can no longer use this issue of knowledge against Jesus. If God doesn't know certain things at least for sometime, how then would you expect Jesus to know certain things all the time?

The same way You and I doesn't know certain things all the time. It doesn't mean we choose not to know, it's just not in our authority to know. The Bible is clear that Only the Father has the authority to set TIME. That's the only person that can choose not to know something. He alone has that authority and jurisdiction. Jesus doesn't know, not that he choose not to know.

Not if you understand the Trinity doctrine which it appears you do not even understand. Jesus has the same essence as God, the angels do not possess this essence.

This is a dumb take though, God , angels , and Jesus all have the same essence. Essence means Nature or what someone is made of. God, Jesus and the angels in heaven are all Spirit beings, that's their essence. In fact the bible speak of Christina's has having the hope of Divine ( God's ) Nature at ressurection. Does that mean they have same authority as God to know time and seasons ?

Dumb

No. You don't equate Jesus with humans and angels in his full divinity. I made this point above:

"Back to the point. Jesus never said he cannot know. After his resurrection notice that Jesus told his apostles that it does not belong to THEM(you) to know the date that the father has kept in his own JURISDICTION. So that is the role of His father to set the date. That is a role. Trinitarian agree that there can be distinction within the Godhead and that there are distinct roles.

First by Jesus saying it does not belong to "THEM" to know neither did he say it does not belong to US including himself, this could mean that at this time Jesus now knows, but he doesn't want to share that knowledge to THEM. He didn't now say "no one knows except the Father".

Jesus didn't say CANNOT. I mean how will he come to judge the world and destroy the wicked if he cannot know when the end will come? Is he not the one that will be bringing it to end?

Jesus doesn't still know, as at when he was speaking to them, he is yet to return to God in Heaven

Emusan:
This is written in a plain English.
You can give a pupil around you for more explanation is you find it hard to comprehend.

"ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS" was stated clearly in the scripture.

That Only the Father is why Jesus doesn't know. If Jesus know, it means it's not only the Father that knows

Only a lying liar will deny the scripture and called Bible a contradictory Book just because it goes against his wacky understanding but pretending to be following the same book.

You're still dodging this question but trust me you won't get away with it.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

The day and hour | Matt 24:36


" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know as you admitted above ?

Emusan:
The joke is on your empty skull.

Matt 10:28 is about God having the final say over dead person.

Not all dead BODY BURIED below 6feet

I don laugh tire

That dead person wey return to heaven get physical body ??

Answer my question oponu.
Where did God TRANSFER SOMETHING FROM HEAVEN TO WOMAN'S STOMACH DURING PREGNANCY?

You already said nothing enters the woman's womb from heaven during pregnancy, that means nothing return to heaven as well. Clap for yourself

Emusan:
"ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS" was stated clearly in the scripture only a lying liar will deny the scrioture and called Bible a contradictory Book just because it goes against his wacky understanding but pretending to be following the same book.

You're still dodging this question but trust me you won't get away with it.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

Only the Father already proved Jesus doesn't know. The Son doesn't know.

And you said here

" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know as admitted above ?

Emusan:
Oponu oshi....

Matt 10:28 is how God has the FINAL SAY on the dead person.

Get that into your dull skull

You are still joking.

First, Do dead people go to heaven with Physical body as mentioned in Matthew 10:28?

The spirit of man returned to God and the spirit of man is a person.

Both scriptural supported so far.
Sense must be knocked into that your empty skull.

Where did God TRANSFER SOMETHING FROM HEAVEN TO WOMAN'S STOMACH DURING PREGNANCY?

Oponu

" RETURN "

In English you only return to where you have been before, if nothing enter a pregnant woman from heaven, that means nothing return to God. You can only Return to where you have previously been. If spirit return to heaven , it means it come from there.

Use your sense.... If it's a person, it means a person came from heaven into the womb.

Emusan:
Thank God you know you're the liar here.
The scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

You agreed that TO KNOW means the info is already at the Father's REACH.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

You keep dodging that question.
When he knows his lying mouth has been exposed.

So, GOD CAN DECIDED NOT TO KNOW SOMETHING like in the case of Abraham but He God still KNOWS ALL THINGS

You are not escaping this , just wait ...

" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know first?

Sand2022:
The JW do not believe in total omniscient like the church do.

If God doesn't know anything at any time and even if no one else knows, that nullifies His omniscience. Omniscient doesn't mean ability to know, but overall knowledge of everything both in the past, present and future. So if the JW view is that God doesn't know that Adam will sin, then God is not omniscient.

Point of correction. Jesus didn't say he cannot know, mind you. Cannot would refer to ability to know. That is not what Jesus says. He said no one knows, including him, so as at that time, that is true. You can't say that even now, Jesus doesn't know.

Of course Jesus was in his humanity. Trinitarians view his humanity as a bit of limitation to his divine essence. So this point isn't actually kicking against Trinity doctrine. You would need to make a criticism that takes note of what someone actually teaches. Not what he doesn't.

Back to the point. Jesus never said he cannot know. After his resurrection notice that Jesus told his apostles that it does not belong to THEM to know the date that the father has kept in his own JURISDICTION. So that is the role of His father to set the date. That is a role. Trinitarian agree that there can be distinction within the Godhead and that there are distinct roles.

First by Jesus saying it does not belong to "THEM" to know neither did he say it does not belong to US including himself, this could mean that at this time Jesus now knows, but he doesn't want to share that knowledge to THEM. He didn't now say "no one knows except the Father".

Please do not look down on roles within the Godhead or jurisdictions. For eg, one can speak against God and Jesus and be forgiven, but you don't dare speak against the holy spirit. You won't be forgiven that sin, either now nor even in the new system of things. Does that mean that the Holy Spirit is now greater than Jesus and God the father? It is simply roles and jurisdictions. And don't make it also sound as if the role occupied by the Holy Spirit is superior to that of the father and Son.

Jesus said who will sit in his left and right is his father to give. It doesn't mean that Jesus can't chose who will be there, but that is His father's jurisdiction.

You ask me to show you how others know what God chose not to know.

Didn't you see my reference to Sodom? People like Lot started lamenting about the badness of the area. Meaning that Lot and his family were the ones complainng about the errors of the Sodomites, then God said He would go down to investigate whether the complaint He had heard is true. I am just paraphrasing here.

So those who are making the complain already knows they were bad. When God investigated, did He not agree that their sin was indeed too bad as people complained?

I am telling you JW position on this subject. Bear that in mind.




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Omniscient means one who knows all in the past, present and future. From JW view, God is not at least completely omniscient. So if Jesus is not completely omniscient, it doesn't affect his Godship from JW perspective.

Thank you for the highlighted. I'm glad we finally agree Jesus doesn't know the day and hour .

You said his humanity limited him, but you are very blind to the Fact that he mentioned angels, did humanity also limit the angels ? That nullify your point.

Now For your information , Jesus cannot " Choose" not to know , the same way the angel's, humans mentioned in that text didn't choose. Do we choose ? No. That bible verse is a pure testament to the Fact that only the Father has the Authority to set time and seasons.

Emusan:
I've PROVIDED SCRIPTURE to back my point.
If you still find it difficult to understand isn't my problem

Your head isn't correct, so how does Matthew 10:28 that's about a Man with a physical body the same as some mythical Spirit returning to heaven for judgement?

Spirit of man is a person because the SPIRIT KNOWS THOUGHT.

Provide how an inanimate object can have the ability to know THOUGHT.
Until your delusion is clear on that.

Nothing from heaven ENTER ANY WOMAN DURING PREGNANCY.

OPONU.

of course , and That means nothing return to any God in heaven after death?

Ani seh you don't have sense. You frauds will be exposed. I'm glad you are at least seeing the bullshit you peddled

Emusan:
Their lying mouth will continue to be exposed.

So, you agreed God JUST CHOOSE NOT TO KNOW but called Bible a contradictory book simply because the scripture testified that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well.

Wa ooooo

The fruit of your father the Devil is truly working in you.

Finally, the Liar has been exposed.

So you now agreed Jesus doesn't know the day and hour ?

Let's talk about whether he choose or not later , thankfully you use " might" , don't worry ,you will cry soon on that

Sand2022:
Having that authority is not the issue, but that He doesn't know it at some point according to JWs, so God is not omniscient.

Having that authority to set time and season make him Omniscient. He just choose not to know. That's why you won't see the Father saying only certain person know, Once he choose not to know something, NOBODY ELSE CAN KNOW!

That being the case, Jesus can also chose not to know.

Jesus said he doesn't know, BUT ONLY the Father know. That is not a choice!!!! Just as every other person mentioned in that Matt 24:36 including angels didn't have such choice. They actually do not know!

Show me a single place the Father choose not to know something but claims someone somewhere know?

Another implication of this is that he doesn't know doesn't mean he is not God, just as God didn't know whether Adam will sin doesn't mean he isn't God.

What makes him God Almighty is that authority , when he choose to not know, NOBODY ElSE can know. .

Everybody mentioned in Matthew 24:36 be it human , Son or angels Do NOT KNOW. It wasn't a choice.

Sand2022:
I want to ask you. When God told Abram to go sacrifice his son to test his obedience, does it mean God doesn't know all things? When God went to check whether Sodom had done according to the complaint He hears about them, does it mean God didn't know whether the allegation against Sodom was prior to that time? So technically God doesn't know all things?

The organization teach that God didn't know that Adam will rebel when he created Adam. Isn't that true? So God technically doesn't know all things according to the organization right?

Do you know what it means to have the Sole authority to set time and seasons??

He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority." act 1:7

The Father can decide to know whatever he choose to know or not know. He alone has that authority.