dumodust:

Like I said, we were there at the start of IPPIS and it took a while to conform as it is a new experience. Give it time.
I have been paid wrongly or not being paid at all for long periods under the old system. The old system also had spurious deductions and sometimes tax and pension We'rent remitted.
Calm down

dumodust:

I never said UTAS was inferior, I am just saying that you can't just produce free software without continuity. It's still an untested platform no matter what ASUU says and who says we must trust the developers because they are Nigerian? If my employee went home and brought a software for me to pay him with, naturally I will be suspicious. let's remove sentiments at look at this issue from the side

Nauttyprof:


What breach? Are government platforms not breached also? So, please stop raising dust over this.

This is the reason why we never value our own and also believe the other is superior. For ASUU to have developed UTAS, they also have considered and weighed all issues too. Stop sounding as if these people are illiterate and not knowledgeable while the government know so much.

dumodust:

Even the old system had initial errors of underpayment and overpayment, pls complain and have it rectified. I have also been underpaid once while working abroad and my calling their attention to it solved the problem. Stop hyping administrative issues, IPPIS pays depending on the data inputed.

dumodust:

Who says it's entirely fraudulent? Can you compare it to the old system of sending bulk funds to the universities? We were there at the start of IPPIS yrs ago and usually has this starting data entry hiccups that are Ultimately rectified and then it runs smoothly for new entrants. It can also accommodate additions if negotiated high up and established. This ASUU and FG fully dallying is emboldening other associations to rebel. I am on IPPIS and I am completely satisfied, my pensions are remitted when due and I get my arrears, promotions and upgrades in a timely manner. The Fg is running the ship, you can't just bring the unsolicited UTAS and expect to ram it down your employer's throat. If you don't like the terms, pls resign.
ASUU's membership even increased recently because of IPPIS because the VCs where forced to fill their employment quota, money that they had been eating and diverting for yrs from understaffing. I understand no system is perfect but this IPPIS has done some good and also cut off corruption at the lower levels, at least let's fight the battle higher up.

Sunnycliff:

BUHARI THAT WE EMPLOYED, DON'T HE DICTATE FOR US?

Gabbriell:


Ok, thanks for the explanations.

But i have a question, since both party are still not on the same stand regarding UTAS pending when the integrity test has been carried out. Is it not better ASUU request for their salaries via the old payment system pending when UTAS has been tested since ASUU is against IPPIS for universities . That way school can be in session while they carryout their various test b4 implementation.

Charlie2020:
. Everything can't be smooth at the outset. Corrections would be made with time. The truth is that, with IPPIS, a lot of corruption in salary payment will be corrected and ASSU who are the beneficiaries of the corruption will do everything possible to frustrate it. Many corrupt accountants and chief executives in core ministries also tried everything possible to blackmail the IPPIS but failed

History555:


Ipiss is also meant to checkmate ghost workers. Do you think there are no ghost workers in cbn, nnpc etc

It is also to checkmate govt agencies paying staffs ridiculous allowances like dpr does.

Abeg free ASUU. It is all these nonsense that has led to mass exodus of doctors

bskyb:



You have asked pertinent questions.

Yes, IPPIS typically has teething problems. It usually takes 3 to 6 months for errors to be corrected. This shouldn't be. Our usual lackadaisical and unprofessional way of treating others is the usual culprit.
I will project that UTAS will not be without such problems, because it is the same Nigerian worker who will prepare it and input the necessary values.
Staffs here (where I work) are receiving their full salaries. I won't say all, because peope are keeping the fact that they registered under wraps, but those that are my close friends are receiving full salary.

Once rectified, the arrears are paid by FG. The other point people haven't really spoken about is that some staff actually get paid more than they are supposed to be paid. They get deductions over succeeding months as the system gets regularized.

The trained IPPIS staffs who form a loason between local institutions and Abuja central office are primarily employees of the local institution and they work within it. Their offices are located in the local institutions and not Abuja.
For example, increases in cooperative payments, temporary stoppage of salaries for those on leave of absence etc is done within the same month of request in most hospitals right now.

There are often local forces against IPPIS, and the reason is usually because it reduces the amount of monies that institutions can steal from having ghost workers, improperly placed staffs etc.

I am aware of institutions where the monthly wage bill was reduced by about 50 million when IPPIS was introduced. It totalled almost 1 billion Naira annually.

Secondly, for people looking for jobs, it encourages institutions to employ as they have no incentive for keeping spaces. (They are said to keep ghost workers on , in order to continue using the personnel costs for other things) .
Remember there were news articles on these things.
In fact, a Teaching Hospital in the southwest hurriedly employed staffs to fill up the spaces at the advent of IPPIS.

You may also recall that resident doctors also felt the same way about IPPIS initially. They fought against it. In fact, it started around 2012 and then was stopped because the association of resident doctors fought against it. Fast forward to 2015/2016, the same resident doctors association started fighting for it, when they saw that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages and that the rejection of IPPIS only truly favoured the management of institutions, who allegedly used the excess monies inappropriately.

samuelpeters:

These agencies generate their own money and pay their workers themselves (reason why their salaries are always higher).

They do not depend on FG for funding.
Those in IPPIS are MDAs that depends on FG.

CBN,NNPC,NDIC,FIRS all generate money for FG. You don't expect them to be under IPPIS, do you?

SIONKPO1:

Why?is that the practice in other parts of the world?
Mind you railway will be a multi billion naira generating agency if properly and efficiently managed
Let every agencies be under IPPIS,irrespective of generating or not generating

mustmust:



Bros they are politicians . After four years they are out . Lectures will teach for 35 to 40 years just like other civil servants on ippis. Dont argue what u don't understand.

bskyb:



You have made great points .
My response is below:

You mentioned that ASUU has peculiar allowances which other civil servants do not have. The hospital workers also have special allowances, the most popular of which is the hazard allowance . They are on IPPIS. Therefore, adjustments to the platfo6can be made and I believe it can be made easily. Why?
Recently a new cooperative society was created and a column was created for deductions. I am sure the said cooperative society was not include ab initio by World bank and I a sure FG will not spend billions to have a local coop society with a net value of 30 million Naira incluuded on IPPIS

Doctors and many other health workers salaries are also consolidated, that's why doctors' salary scale is called CONMESS (consolidated Mesdical Salary Scale) same with CONTISS, CONUAS and others.
Yet, they are not complaining of over taxation.

My bro, the implementation of promotion is not stationary on IPPIS. Various organization's do their promotion exams at different times of the year and they get their promotion dues and arrears as necessary. Till now, there is no unified date or period for promotion exams. This point is one I am hearing for the first time. Even FG will not want to turn promotion exams into Jamb , where admissions are done once per annum.

Yes, the central office is located in Abuja. However, there is a local institution IPPIS corresponding officer who is primarily trained for that purpose. He /she remains a direct employee of the parastatal or MDA. They are usually chosen from the finance dept. That is how changes to cooperative society deductions etc are done without you having to go to Abuja.
The main difference is that there is a limit to the approval that the local officer can make and his actions are vetted regularly.

As per the pay slips, we seem to have different experiences. Payslips are available over here. It is still hush hush because it is only the people that "went behind " to register that are being paid. Understandably, no one wants to expose his pay slip.

Let me have your opinions on the above.


### I am I the system and well embedded, so I should know some things first hand

bskyb:


I don't think we need to involve those other workers for now. We are concerned about ASUU and their insistence not to be on IPPIS.
I have simply asked why they don't want it and I have not received an answer yet.
I am sure the answer can not be -"because NNPC staffs are not on it".

AIlahuAkbar:
the ego of this University lecturers is getting too much, they need to be humbled by seriously being dealt with.
they should be sacked and other qualified graduates employed to fill in their position.
useless people.

Temmymighty:
Our so called lecturers are only greedy of there belly on the basis of this IPPIS of a thing, the system they have been using before was organized by them, it cover there frauds.

Do you realize some of our lecturers aren't lecturing in a single institution, some are lecturing in polytechnics at the same time a lecturer in university and they being paid at both places, the work that supposed to be given to unemployed vibrant youths.

I remembered vividly then one of my lecturer would come only on Friday to teach us in poly. Whereas, he has spent the whole week in another university.

Those are some of the lapses this IPPIS is about to fix but they are aware of their loss.

sreamsense:




And tell me the unions that government increases their own every year either. If any ASUU member knows the union that gets yearly or monthly salary increment from federal government, he/she should go and join the association or resign. If it is a private organization, will they have the guts to even dictate their increment. The problem is that they lack patriotism and see Nigeria as national cake that must be shared, that is why they hide under canopy of senator collects 1 billion a month, blah, blah..., they are free and academically qualify as well to become senator; they should go and join and collect their own 1 billion and spare us all these logical and emotional fight



The visitation government has been paid to schools in the name of NUC. What has ever come out of it? Is it not the same lecturers that usually frustrate government committe when they go for accreditation. Is it not the same ASUU members who usually lie to government that everything is ok with their departments and schools during accreditation by going out to nearby polytechnics or nearby universities to borrow equipment they want to use for accreditation to deceive goverment. After accreditation, they will return the equipment back to schools where they borrowed them without using them for their students' practicals.

Some schools will admit students more than equipment and resources they have and what government stipulate, during accreditation, they will tell students with matric number 1 to 100 to come to school while 101 to 1000 to stay at home to deceive government; and later come back to blame the same government. Some of them will even sell workshop equipment and laboratory chemicals. Every strata of academic system needs to be restructured to become more functional instead of turning-out potential unemployable students every year, of which some of them after frustration due to joblessness turn out to become terrors to the societies

Methods of recruiting lecturers into universities and polytechniques should be reviewed. We should stop emphasizing only on academic qualifications and how many journals published; we should include industrial work experience and ability to teach student or transfer knowledge even to the dullests in the class. Government should discourage employing fresh graduates with distinction into our academic system without industrial working experiences. Many of the lecturers never had industrial working experience and they want to train students to go to industries they themselves never worked for one day. How is it going to help our academic system?

Check Harvard, MIT lecturers, check their profiles. Many of them are currently working in the industries and they are still lecturing, some of them are inventors and have companies producing their inventions, yet they are still le lecturers in those schools I mentioned above, but is the opposite here in Nigeria. What is the advantage of professor who can not transfer useful and applicable knowledge to younger generation after two hours class lecture? Is it not useless, but they are collecting salaries for nothing?And even reasonable researches, they can't carry out except sex for mark!

iblawi:


It's better you write long story on things/ areas you understand very well. You listed too many wrong points.

sreamsense:
OP, you and ASUU should stop playing us pity-me card. ASUU should come and account for how well they have utilized small amount and resources government has dished out to them. They always hide under canopy of they are fighting for Nigerian students while they are only fighting for their pockets.

Even if government spends 80% of national budget on ASUU, they will still under perform. A lot of things are wrong with them, higher percentage of them are not even competent and need replacement and total overhaul of Nigerian universities. If you get are not ready to get paid by IPPIS, they should look for another job, it is not by force you must work with government.

ASUU is selfish and only see Nigeria as national cake that must be shared. If they think senator collects 1billion per month as they usually claim, they should resign and go and become senator, there are better and competent hands ready to collect even less at high efficiency. ASUU can't dictate to it's employer how she wants to be paid, it is because they lack patriotism and see Nigeria as national cake that must be shared equally to her members.

Quality researches and inventions they can't do, teaching students, many of them are not competent, ordinary student projects, they can't supervise well, this is dusqusting! They are only good at strike and negotiating how much to be paid for under performance, can they do that with private employers? Radiance to rubbish!

sinkhole:
my nigga, who go read this your long epistle according to chibueze?
Baba no dey read at all o

Godi25:
U r correct on some points but frankly, ASUU is also fighting for its selfish aims. Allocation is given to universities even if it is not much n fees r being paid. So I think ASUU should please stop the blame game. The present govt is hopeless wen it comes to educational matters but this rot has long been here and ASUU has sometimes close their eyes to it.

Godi25:
U r correct on some points but frankly, ASUU is also fighting for its selfish aims. Allocation is given to universities even if it is not much n fees r being paid. So I think ASUU should please stop the blame game. The present govt is hopeless wen it comes to educational matters but this rot has long been here and ASUU has sometimes close their eyes to it.

Godi25:
U r correct on some points but frankly, ASUU is also fighting for its selfish aims. Allocation is given to universities even if it is not much n fees r being paid. So I think ASUU should please stop the blame game. The present govt is hopeless wen it comes to educational matters but this rot has long been here and ASUU has sometimes close their eyes to it.