truefact:

@oduasolja

you are truly a dumb Bottom, i assure you, I guess you need to re-read the post of (oduasolja) to appreciate the fact and comments of Igbos in this forum.

NOTE: in comparison to accomplishment of other ethnic nationalities in nigeria, the igbos are ahead inspite of marginalisation they get from nigeria over 40 years. Igbos loose their properties and millions during and after the war, yet they did not despair, inspite the Kwasioko, they grew fatter within few years, inspite the millions stolen from them, they own shops and houses here and there across nigerian,

I guess the Yorubas and others cannot be matched with this great feat.

pls this is not an ethnic bashing discussion, yes our people have done well in the last 40 years but success is not a zero sum game. Besides the yorubas got rich alongside the igbo in lagos. success is not an ethnic bigot it is a universal. The thrust of this discuss is whether or not nigeria should embrace and their brothers who tried to secede that there's no longer need for that with a superior argument not superior gun power. Not with ethnic stereotypes or with 'igbo should never be president' or those other name calling. There can not be peace without justice any thing like peace is just a calm. So don't bash yorubas for they have a hand in our success and failures and so do we. We are all invested in each other. Don't allow the half educated functional illiterater derail this thread with abuses. This is an intellectual matter.

aribisala0:

chinedu  thanks for your recommended reading list.

there were many ethnic groups in biafra. philip effiong was NOT igbo

when you talk about apology to igbos you only generate resentmentment from these groups.

i did not comment on whether or NOT there should be an apology so do not misquote me.
i know of many yorubas who fought on the nigerian side and they were NOT at war with Igbos.
are you aware of igbos being targetted and killed in yorubaland?? like what has happened severally in the north.
not everyone sees the war as a war againgst igbos it was a secession like in the USA Chechnya and elsewhere. it failed

my point is that there is no link between such an apology and developmental progress/

in the history of mankind how many times have apologies been issued after civil wars please educate us. you say nigeria is "lagging behind" this is a claim can you substantiate this or should i take your word for it??

nigeria was the only country capable of making a decisive change in Liberia . is that a country lagging behind

angola,somalia,namibia,ivory coast,zaire,rwanda libya have all fought/or are fighting wars there is armed conflict all over africa and i daresay more people have been killed than in nigeria.
these are unfortunate occurences but that for me is no reason to suspend logic and engage in  what psychologists call  "magical thinking" all in the name of spirituality

my bro i'm not 'magical thinking' here neither am i being spiritual i'm just being intellectual and if you like me are an observer of human behaviour you'll have some empathy. In war people die i agree but waging a war with hunger, against women and children, bomb raiding entire villages not military camps killing all those non combatants in asaba, that's unfair. You remain so stiff and cold and bid us move on as a nation and forget the war. My bro that's hard. Now hear my experience, when i was 7 in pry sch my mom called me one day and told me i was old enough to know about the war, she said she too was 7 when the war broke. After hearing that we were defeated i decided to know more. And for 20 years since then i've come a long way. This story is told every 'biafran child' even to this day. Worse still is the behaviour of the government post war towards us. That is common knowledge. My stance is that since the victors won the war for our unity, then they should seal their victory by embracing their brothers, for 41 years after the war is neither won nor lost. While Nigeria is not divided it is still not united. On a personal note i don't want any break up again the need has been overtaken by events. If your or any region should break today the virus of the nigerian system would surely infect it. Our task is to heal the virus. Me and you and everybody else but first you must ask me properly to forget the war. Admit you wronged me then and only then can we move on. Again i wish to state my error in associating biafra only with the igbo, that is wrong. I yield on that.

aribisala0:

the country did not see the light before the war and did not see it afterwards
nothing to do with the igboman and reconciliation.
that is sentiment

the country has many bad leaders like much of black africa and the igbos have their fair share.
nigeria does not have any problem(s) that is unique in africa
there have been many brutal wars in history with many  victims that is the violent nature of man . very rarely if at all has anything like genuine reconcililiation taken place.
there has been no beast more destructive of itself than the European in warfare.
why don't they have as many problems as africans??

whatever the reasons for our failure as our nation it has little to do with  curses, gods,devils, igbos and all that and a lot to do with  how black people ,in general think.

while i don't want to engage you on 'how black people think' let that be the duel of another day. Try and read walter rodney's classic. How europe underdeveloped africa. Your answers are there. As per african problems nigeria is not unique in having them, but we definitey stand out in our problem solving tactics. We simply wish them away and yes they remain-no, they compound, that's the nigerian way. That's why most african states are ahead in those social indices. The giant of africa is lagging behind that is definitely unique. Nigeria to nigerians is one huge cake, we certainly and uniquely divide the national cake. National pride is dead in nigeria is this not unique? . Well my brother the ship of state is sinking, we need every hand on deck including igbo hands. You talk about the europeans yes but even after 1945 jews still lived there because the germans were quick to admit their wrongs. The germans have moved on. To apologise is to the igbo is sentiment you say but nationalism is sentiment, nation building is sentiment, patriotism is sentiment. Our country nigeria needs sentimental nigerians.

PointB:

Put succinctly, Nigeria remained accursed until the ills of the war are addressed, nothing will ever work! Blood is not in the category as water!


To move forward, we MUST look back!

pointB you're really point blank.

Aigbofa:

Jobs was obviously too young to realize that God was not complicit in any war. If he was, how come the victims of the said war are still fervently serving him today?

For people like Okey Ndibe though, the war never ended. Anything, even the decision of a 13 year old steve Jobs from an era gone by, can now "resurrect" Biafra in his mind and in the minds of some phantom international community.

Get over it already! You are not the first to lose a war and definitely will not be the last.

we are not the first to lose a war. But you are the first to want to wish it away as if nothing happened. Without any form of genuine reconciliation, you still boast till today how you won the war. We must give it to you, you won we lost. But let me tell you, this country shall never see the light unless the igbo man truly feels a part of it. For now nigeria is just an investment ground, a rip off zone we exist to take money out of your pockets. That should not be. Once dostoyevsky asked the czar. 'can you build your utopia no the unavenged tears of one single individual? ' here i ask nigerians 'can you build your vision 202020 good people great nation, giant of africa bla bla bla on the unavenged tears of the entire igbo who are a part of you? Nigeria should come out and take the high road, have the guts to admit those war crimes. The igbo should also should forgive and forget. That is the only way out of this re-occuring decimal this nightmare. Let's fix the past and protect the future from discussions like this. Okey Ndibe spot on.

FACT. nigeria is hopeless. Within it lies the seed of its self destruction. The nigerian situation gets worse everyday.
Biafra was not an igbo thing alone, other groups were involved.
The igbo have the highest per capita income in nigeria. So it was never about money of economics, it was for pride. Is that not what a country should be?
To the biafrans their country was a symbol of pride. Their nationalism was textbook. Can we say the same for our present mess called nigeria?
FICTION.
Giant of africa. Vision 202020. Good people great nation.
Nigeria will eventually collapse under the self weight of its internall self inflicted problems. Our football is the latest institution on the failure list. It's coming.

Which ACN gov voted against the removal of fuel subsidy? None of them did. It was a total 36 over 36. Who no like sugar for im mouth?

Back in the days the 7 o'clock news was read in pidgin on nta 10 lagos. Then many radio programs were broadcast in pidgin. Fast forward to a few years back and we have a wazobia fm purely in nigerian local languages and the nigerian pidgin. It was an instant blasted success. Now google gives websites in pidgin a voice long before their creation. In todays world of business, communication is the key, not language. Pidgin has more spread than any nigerian language. In fact any company that values customers shoul have pidgin english speakers. Eg banks Ask mtn online help service etc. Most commodities advert are in pidgin. My friend whose been abroad for more than 11 years admits she misses our pidgin english. In the global nigerian consciousness pidgin english is the paramount communication tool and i think google wants to tap into that.

For Guys who wonder why this ethnic post made front page, well this is what usually makes front page here. Igbos and yoruba bashing each other. Nothing constructive ever. I think the editors of this site are neither & they enjoy these fights or they no sabi their jobs. Can this make newspaper headlines? No way! Yoruba/igbo fights. in the 21st century? When the world is moving ahead on relevant issues?

Guys please if this is a yoruba bashing thread count me out. This forum is about solving problems not poking others in the eye.

Is this worth it? In this forum ethnic bigots make up their minds on certain issues then come here and pretend they're asking it like a question. All they really want is concurrence from fellow bigots. I've long transcended bigotry or i would have come here to ask "did the fulani mix with the yoruba in ilorin?" methinks the operators should set up the bigots section. Silly post.

Guys this thing we're talking about cannot happen. Why? Because in nigeria the major issue is oil. And where is the oil? In the hands of the minority ethnic groups that make up the niger delta region. These 100+ ethnic groups are so fragmented they cannot forge a common alliance to push for anything significant. The govt is controlled by the three majorities. So you see the big pic, the govt is keeping the balance because of oil. Any issue that is not related to oil (like your ethnic bigotry) will have to wait. Genocide will benefit no one so nigerians will just find another means of conflict resolution because violence will stop the oil from flowing. Nobody wants that. y wants that.

@arsenefc. Even tho this is a faceless forum your words betray the frustration you must be feeling. Now the igbos are the problem with nigeria? Never mind you're still a baby it's futile engaging you. Well to the poster genocide can never happen in nigeria why? Too much diffusion and fragmentation. Eg i can't conspire to kill yorubas because my best buddy soji happens to be one. Known the dude since i was in pry 1. Again southern nigerians are more advanced than any african peoples, conflict is not our way. In summary nigerians have a common enemy, from that confused boy in borno that's about to be used. To the unemployed graduate walking the streets of lagos to that business that runs only on diesel generators. To the unfulfilled election promises to labour strikes to assu strikes to inflation . All these problems know no ethnicity. They are our common enemy. my, from that confused boy in borno that's about to be used. To the unemployed graduate walking the streets of lagos to that business that runs only on diesel generators. To the unfulfilled election promises to labour strikes to assu strikes to inflation . All these problems know no ethnicity. They are our common enemy.

Between Balewa, Azikiwe & Awolowo, in no particular order. This trinity is embossed in gold in the history of Nigerian public affairs. we cannot neglect Achebe's stance against misrule in Nigeria since before the civil war, Amino Kano's stance against Elitism as a prerequisite to political power, Gani's ordeal in the hands of abacha, Jaja of opobo's fight against the damned british thieves,
they say 'truth is the daughter if time' & 'History is a very harsh judge'