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Yep, the anglican church lets me do that. Not much youth work in catholic churchs here.

They are really a very small minority here. And won't get to do much compared to Italy. Small congregations and after services they all head home. So I chose an Anglican one which respects me but does also work for youths which I can lead. What you think?

Try to make her appreciate you. Won't work. Don't even try.

True, basically all roman catholic but not in LONDON. I am not in Italy anymore so I have to be used to the churches around here I suppose

Make a short summary the result and why

I am Italian, catholic. When I arrived in the UK two years ago I found myself in the midst of 500 christian denominations. Since the catholic church is not very prominant here I had a look at other churches. Most of the country is protestant. In the end an anglican church proposed I lead its youth group and am allowed to say what I want. My ideas on the youth program have been endorsed by the high anglican church. Does it make sense now.

NO. How about you? Am risking starting this all over again

I am catholic, but I live in the UK. That's the problem

The thing is I don't want to. And of course I had to be pentecostal, pentecostal kids, pentecostal home cell leader and very godly too. In other words, do as I say. YES SIR

You may get out of trouble sometimes though. Good to be resourceful

Anglican, why?

In other words all you need is bluff and success will come.

And she wanted me to become a priest too. Hey, the church kicked her out from leading a home group just because she was seeing me. Yep, I am very biased.

I have no concept of born again. Either you are christian or you are not. I don't feel I have to show to everybody in her church that I am filled with the spirit and start shouting and jumping and doing these like that. If I want excitment I'll go to the circus. And I do not need anyone to do prophecies of where my relationship will go.

Yeah, that the word, born again. She wanted to know I must be born again and have all the answers and be sure. Who can do that.

what are you lost about

Trying to be on top of things. I don't know about that. One thing is for sure, if you want that try law instead, much better.

I tell you, considering physicists here, that some came up with ideas and concepts that fell ouside the scope of rational scrutiny, yet were proven right. Example is non conservation of energy and parity violation.

Basically they never wanted her to question authority, their aurthority that is, of the church leaders and they tried that game with me too.

If you mean that one does not need faith to do science, you are right. There other things that are not science. That not make them wrong or have no purpose, they just mean they are not science. Music and love for example. I'm not trying to explain everything though.

You should try science then

She cried all the time as pentecostals were making it very difficult for her when she goes to church. That's another thing.

No problem. But pentecostal church has lot of regulations of where my family church allegiance should be, how to raise my kids. Basically I said F.UCK OFF.

She was pentecostal, I am catholic. The pentecostal church did not like that

You exactly got and confirmed my point there. Your church is raising a lot of issue. The pentecostal church f.ucked us. Don't allow that or your man who is going to suffer. That's a fact.

I have a friend doing genetics in Oxford. In the reading of the genetic code some sequences are sometimes used and sometimes skipped, so that their skipping would not alter the reading frame of the downstream ones. This constraint, nobody knows why.

Perhaps, the problem is that we do not actually know what the true is. So one can never be sure so am keeping an open mind.

God, Kin, church members, pastor were always more important than spouse for her. So I had to leave. Will not be with a pentecostal or evangelical again.

She was pentecostal and I saw a lot of judgement there.

Implications of quantum indeterministic character of measurement

-- The universe itself is indeterministic.
-- Leaves room for alternative causation.
-- Chaos theory allows divine action to take place without interference in the laws of the natural order.
-- Where there is room for divine action, there is also room for human free will (freedom).

Human freedom is defined as the strong sense of the freedom to do some act and the freedom not to do it.
Any explanation of reality that does not account for human intentionality allowing man to choose to do or not do an act is insufficient.

Science can only observe what happens when you do something.
Science can't answer value questions. Like religion, however, it can inspire, striking awe in us as we learn how extensive is the universe, how myriad the details and interconnections.
Science requires doubt. When religion insists on certainty, conflict arises between the two. The evidence suggesting the facts of existence conflict with traditional religious "facts" [metaphysics]. The historical God of scriptures cannot encompass the universe as we know it today.
Implicitly, I like to challenge to match faith to new paradigms thrown up by science. Does a belief in religion require unquestioning belief in ancient details? Or is faith at the heart of religion, not details? Can't God be Whatever Is? Isn't that a deeper faith?
Lots of food for thought here.

It's hard for me to pinpoint a precise way in which my personal faith has aided my ability to be a scientist. It certainly aids my perspective. Science has a way of being a real roller-coaster experience. Most of your experiments fail, most of your hypotheses are wrong. If you get so personally tied up in your own worth coming from the success of your research, you can be pretty down on yourself sometimes. It helps me, certainly, to have a different perspective of who I am, who God is, and sort of the eternal significance of what's going on here. And, therefore, it's easier not to get so completely rattled when something scientifically goes badly, because it often does.

And at those wonderful moments where something does go right, the opportunity to see that not only as a scientist, but also as a person of faith, and to feel that kind of blessing, that kind of connection with the creator who knew all of this ahead of time, is one of those aspects of my existence that I wouldn't trade for anything.

Well, I think taking physics and adding some sort of sacred nature to it is a bit odd. Some people have suggested, in fact, that we now worship Quantum Mechanics as though it were sacred, that they've replaced the cross with a black hole. I think that's sort of ridiculous. It's fascinating, but it's certainly not sacred. But we will not, I think, understand what love means, or what the connection we have with God. So, I don't think we should ascribe that sort of special, sacred significance to it. It's the blueprint, if you will, a sort of a sketchy diagram.

It's interesting when you read of the life of Christ how much of his time he spent here healing the sick. There must have been a reason for that. He was modeling for us what it is that we are intended to do by following in his path. So, I think the mandate for us as human beings to reach out to those who are suffering and try to heal their illnesses is a very strong one, and it's entirely consistent with strong faith. In fact, it's one of the strongest mandates we have.

To say that genetic engineering is unacceptable across the board because of its potential for creating some ethical dilemmas is the most unethical stance of all. It's to basically say, here is a powerful approach which could alleviate human suffering, but we're not going to do it because we're worried about the misuses that might occur, I find that completely unacceptable from every possible point of view. Most profoundly, the theological one.

What it does do is to require us to assume some responsibility for deciding which kinds of genetic engineering are, in fact, consistent with that mandate to heal the sick, and which kinds are putting us in a troubling direction where we'd best not go. And that is obviously where the debates begin to get underway.