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EasternLeopard: Gbam

And when the profits go back into the pockets of private individuals, they re-invest it into the economy.

But when the money is collected in form of IGR(internal generated revenue) it is atimes looted by corrupt government officials.

But there is also looting and corruption among other Nigerian zones, yet they manage to invest more in their zones than elsewhere.

ketoprofen: And u don't just go abt paying taxes just to raise igr for the heck of it, if the politicians won't use it for anything, then we will keep doing the pocketing.
Tell me what Theodore orji did with the taxes he collected from Aba? If Nigerian politicians keep looting these tnz, what's the essence of being happy that ur region has a highest igr while at the same time it has the biggest debt profile?
As for population, the Chinese r everywhere, china is still densely populated. the presence of many northerners in the south has not prevented the northerners from thinking north is more populated than south.
How many impt cities are in many states of NE that will make them think SE is the least populated, Do we know how many sprawling towns we have? plus they migrate from the north too.
The thing is if u are successful in other places , ur migration becomes obvious unlike those that migrate to the east for eg to beg.

Again you are right. Raising taxes and levies on the wealthy to generate IGR should be accompanied by stricter enforcement of anti-corruption measures.

Still on pop, the SE (especially cities; most villages are quite empty due to migration) is thickly populated, meaning high density in a small space. High density is not always = to high overall population

superstar1: How does money in the pocket of individuals, translates into the development of.the whole region?
How has the money in their pockets improve the GDP of the region or stop emigration of able bodied men out of the region?

Penny wise, pound foolish.

Thank you. I do not know who you are, but whether you are Igbo or not, you have spoken well. Thanks.

ketoprofen: Erroneous.
There is a diff btw contributing to the FG and contributing to urself .
The SE is economically buoyant as a lot of activities go there but the revenue from them dont go to the FG.
If u mention ur LGA of origin, it can't match the greatness of nnewi or aba or onitsha for eg, but all the money from nnewi go back to the private individuals that own the investments.
Its not by chance anambra n abia are two of 5states with the largest cash flow or anambra having the 3rd highest conc of banks and bank deposits.
Get your facts right first.

You are right, but those individual, unaccounted for, oftentimes officially unspoken, family wealth cannot put you on the global map. How can you do simple economic stuff like measuring GDP, per capita and others similar stuff with such love for the informal sector? This is 21st century.

EasternLeopard: I believe we can stealthly finance our war or re-finance our economy in non-western nations because of their uncontrollable desire to see their economy grow.

The colored portion is the crux of the matter. Igbos always willing and ready to grow other people's economy at the expense of theirs.

Anyways, I understand your point. Ndewo.

EasternLeopard: Yes but with a slight caution

Which is take your branches outside Nigeria

Now in the event of a war, factories will be destroyed if the enemy has some form of airpower.

But

Our investments outside Nigeria will help us rebuild our home investments rapidly

Remember the destruction of factories during the civil war and confiscation of our properties after the civil war popularly called " abandoned property".

If we Igbos had huge investments out Nigeria, we would have recovered quicker to frustrate Awo's indigenization policy.


Never forget the lessons learnt b4 during and after the war.

Well, the only places where Igbo investments outside Igboland will be safe are the developed western countries where protocols are followed and the laws work. I won't even bet on the safety of Igbo investment in China, other African countries, and indeed, in Nigeria outside Igboland. The uncertainty and risks in these places are just too much. Remember what Ghana and SA are doing to Nigerian business people in their countries? Well, those Nigerians are mostly Igbos.

ketoprofen: SE is not the least populated in the south, my friend.
i cant be giving myself headache for not giving the FG much when they didn't participate in setting up ventures in the east. even if u move all Igbo private ventures in the east, it will be same tnz.
Lagos contribution comes from FG investments as ports; SS from the oil which FG claimed, so the only thing that wl raise the contribution - to - FG - status of SE is direct FG investments,, ports for eg.
Otherwise, they shd go n sleep. They didn't give us, we are not giving them.
U can't tell Onitsha biz men to empty their revenue to the federation acct, for what? na FG build the mkt?

We can argue about the population until tomorrow. So let each one of us hold on to their belief. As as far as the law of give and take follows, there is no way we Igbos will migrate out of Igboland to the extent that we do and still have a huge pop in SE that can be said to be larger than those of other groups who migrate far less.

As for your other point, Yes, I agree with you that Igbos cannot contribute returns from their private investments to the FG who have invested less in Igboland than elsewhere. Still, wealthy Igbos in SE should pay commensurate taxes and levies so that such revenues can be used to boost SE's IGR.

EasternLeopard: When everyone establishes a headoffice and main factory in Igboland, how will it still be underdeveloped.

Imagine having 100 000 headoffices and main factories in Igboland and 1000 000 branches worldwide

In that case, the Op, you and I are on same page.

ketoprofen: @ Op, don't tell me u believed that useless census?
SE was under counted but its thickly populated, the fact that igbos exists in large numbers elsewhere go to explain that Igbo population is underestimated.
However, since the FG didn't invest anything in SE, and is not allocating much to se, what were they expecting in return in the name of contribution.
I also want to point out that SE is the most non oil productive zone in southern Nigeria, with a high cash volume.
It contributes oil too.
The cash goes to the individuals cos the latter made it, and not the FG .
I also support that our large scale ventures n industries that are in non SE areas be relocated, while leaving our branches in other places.
What we contribute to the FG shouldn't be our headache, after all the FG is not thinking of how to give out to se!
Hence, we shouldn't pay heed to the nonsense said by the lazy, dependent people who don't contribute much to the GDP of their own states.

Are you saying that SE is more populated than other zones? Do you want to argue that the unprecedented migration of Igbos does not affect SE population? You must be kidding. Even if God comes down from heaven and conducts a census tomorrow, the SE will very likely be the least populated. But like the OP said, let's differentiate the SE from Igbo in some of these arguments about population and wealth. Igbos are doing well, and most likely the largest ethnic group in Nigeria, but the SE is really not (at least by southern Nigerian standard). Of course my points are limited to the issue under discussion here.

superstar1: Nice analysis so far.

The question is, can the population of SE support and sustain investment?

You need to stem the wave of emigration first.

It's a cycle. More investing (rich) people, more revenue, more productivity, more income. That is why urban areas with high population (pop) are more attractive than rural areas with less pop. You do not attract the pop if there are no investments. And investments won't come of there is no pop to sustain it. SE seems to be in a bind on this one. But as the OP suggested, Igbos can kill two birds with one stone: move back to SE in large numbers and do so with your investments.

EasternLeopard: Jews

That is why US come to aid israel

They indirectly control US

But record sake

I said we should leave our head offices and main factories in Igboland while we establish branches world wide

Go to your customers is the secret to great profit.

When you go to your customers, your boys can convince them that they can get those products cheaper in Igboland just the way the Chinese do

You mean Israel is left undeveloped? I am sorry, but that's a big fat lie.

The NW and SW are, without a shred of doubt, the most populous zones in Nigeria today (the ethnic components of the population of these zones is another different matter entirely)

Both of these highly populous zones are the bastion of APC

Of course, I am aware that democracy is one-man-one-vote, but at the day's end, high population means more voting power

Therefore, SW and NW, combined, can nearly determine who rules Nigeria

If that is the case, I do not understand why APC is afraid of GEJ and PDP.

Why not just conduct the election and chase PDP out with your voting power?

Or, is it that less than half of the people in SW and NW are actual APC party members; so that despite the make-believe that SW and NW are APC's bastion, the true fact is the opposite?

APC e-warriors, please allay my fears with sound rebuttal.

EasternLeopard: Global investing not national investing


Go through my post and see the benefitys

Global investing when your backyard is left un-invested? Apart from Igbos, can you show me any country or group of people who is less invested in their own place but more invested outside? Point to one.

EasternLeopard: Its education

Which you and I are doing to help our people understand

Common sense dictates that if other Nigerians are not investing much in Igboland Igbos should not invest much outside Igboland.

Familiar terrain

Mbkite: pls no insults. i wan ask a question, Is she a nigerian?

Father is Abia, Nigeria; mother is Cameroon

Melinde: See as the colour of her fingers match with that yam wey she dey eat sef

It's the charcoal, dude.

quid: But the growing negro populations in Africa, Europe and america will ensure that they remain a people no one can ignore

A weak majority (soon to be, by all account) subjugated by a stronger minority.

dragan: Classic example of the breed of halfwits that flood this forum these days, but then again you're an Igbo halfwit so its expected that you know nothing but petty insults.

Cry me a river, loser.

dragan: The OP is obviously a delusional halfwit posting a made up story then even goes ahead to keep spamming random comments to keep the stupid thread active

But who gives ashit anyway, only the most idiotic of the PDP apologists would even bother to believe this nonsense.

Soapy water will soon get into ur eyes. Brainwashed monkey.

Muslim Students Paralyse University Of Ibadan Over Student Preacher-PM News, Lagos
Posted: August 16, 2010 - 17:44

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2010/08/16/students-paralyse-ui/

http://www.saharareporters.com/news-page/muslim-students-paralyse-university-ibadan-over-student-preacher-pm-news-lagos

Muslim students of the University of Ibadan, UI, this morning paralysed activities during a protest against the institution’s refusal to expel a part four law student, Miss Seun Olubunmi Adegunsoye who preached gospel in the school mosque last Friday.

Adegunsoye of Mountain of Fire and Miracles Church, according to reports, preached at the mosque last Friday to the Muslim faithful.

While she was preaching, the Muslim students mobilised themselves, attacked the lady and beat her mercilessly.

The school’s security men rescued her and took her away for questioning.

Sources saidhe institution’s Vice Chancellor, Professor Olufemi Bamiro, appealed to the Muslim students not to foment any trouble, promising that the issue would appropriately investigated.

However, the Muslim students went haywire when they found out that the institution’s bulletin which was released this morning did not report the incident and the punishment the school authority has meted out to the preacher.

The students who barricaded all the entrances leading to the premier university and carried placards prevented both academic and non-academic staff from gaining access into the school this morning.

Among the inscriptions written on their placard were: “No to terrorism. No religion should be allowed to terrorize us in our country”; “We will not take any unreligious act from any religious group”; “We will do everything possible to protect our religion”; “We will not accept insult from any religion”; “Olubunmi should be expelled from UI because she has done what is wrong”; “Olubunmi should be arraigned before a court of law for preaching in the mosque”.

According to a leaflet signed by a student called Almin, they demanded that Adegunsoye be expelled from the school and charged to court.

Other demands include: Investigating religious leaders behind the lady, carry out medical examination on the lady to find out whether she is mentally sound, ban Christians from preaching in public places in the school, and punish anyone who facilitated her release from the school security net.

Official reaction from the institution could not be sought as at the time of filing this report but it was gathered that the VC would address the press later in the day.

The school’s PRO, Mrs. Joke Akinpelu who was on leave, rushed down to see what was happening but she was also prevented from entering the school.

Her words, “I can’t say anything now because I am on leave but I have called the VC who will later address the press. As you can see, I can’t even enter but I will see if I can jump the fence to enter the premises and see how we can bring the situation under control.”

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Father allegedly kills daughter, attacks pastor, others for converting to Christianity

on March 06, 2014 / in News 4:23 pm / Comments


BY OLA AJAYI, IBADAN
The Oyo State Police command has arrested a suspect in connection with the killing of his daughter, Miss Kausara Isiaka for allegedly converting to Christianity.

The suspect was alleged by Reverend Daniel Oladimeji, one of the four persons he attacked with machete that he suspected him to be the brain behind the attack.

According to the Police Public Relations Officer, DSP Olabisi Ilobanafor, one Mary Oladimeji, of Calvary Church, Ayekale, Ibadan reported the incident at the station at about 02:00 hours of February 26th 2014.

Though, the police are yet to determine his culpability or otherwise, the suspect allegedly sneaked into the church premises and inflicted machete cuts on the four persons.

The victims’ names, according to the police, are Mary, Kausara Isiaka, Aanu and the pastor of the church.
It was further gathered that the father of the deceased who is a Muslim, allegedly pleaded severally with his daughter and threatened her to review her decision.

The police stated that the girl had to take refuge in the church.
But, on that fateful day, a yet-to-be identified attacker broke in and inflicted machete injuries on the victims while they were sleeping.

Out of the four victims, the police confirmed that her injuries were more severe than others.
Mary, the daughter of the suspect and other victims were rushed to Mobolaji Hospital, Oremeji, Ibadan where she later died.

“DSP Ilobanafor said the police visited the scene, took photographs and moved the remains of the deceased to Adeoyo State Hospital mortuary for autopsy. One suspect was arrested and case transferred to the Assistant Commissioner of Police, State Criminal Investigation Department”.

In similar development, a three-man robbery gang who specialize in stealing Nissan vehicle products have been arrested.
Seven vehicles were said to have been recovered from the suspects whose names were given as Saheed Oloruntoyin (27), Ibrahim Tijani (30) and Lukmon Oladimeji.

They were arrested in Oyo in February 16 while allegedly sharing their loots.
Number plates of the recovered vehicles are Abuja CB 769 RBC , Abuja YF 154 YAB, Abuja GWA 435 AS, Niger BE 218 MNA, EPE 506 AJ (Lagos), BDJ 319 FQ (Oyo) and YYY 579 AAA (Oyo).

The suspects were said to have confessed to be a three-man gang who specialized in snatching cars from Oyo State and Federal Capital Territory (FCT) Abuja.

According to her, any vehicle snatched at Abuja was brought to Oyo and sold.

- See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/03/father-allegedly-kills-daughter-attacks-pastor-others-converting-christianity/#sthash.rKcZFyYx.dpuf

Father allegedly kills daughter, attacks pastor, others for converting to Christianity

on March 06, 2014 / in News 4:23 pm / Comments


BY OLA AJAYI, IBADAN
The Oyo State Police command has arrested a suspect in connection with the killing of his daughter, Miss Kausara Isiaka for allegedly converting to Christianity.

The suspect was alleged by Reverend Daniel Oladimeji, one of the four persons he attacked with machete that he suspected him to be the brain behind the attack.

According to the Police Public Relations Officer, DSP Olabisi Ilobanafor, one Mary Oladimeji, of Calvary Church, Ayekale, Ibadan reported the incident at the station at about 02:00 hours of February 26th 2014.

Though, the police are yet to determine his culpability or otherwise, the suspect allegedly sneaked into the church premises and inflicted machete cuts on the four persons.

The victims’ names, according to the police, are Mary, Kausara Isiaka, Aanu and the pastor of the church.
It was further gathered that the father of the deceased who is a Muslim, allegedly pleaded severally with his daughter and threatened her to review her decision.

The police stated that the girl had to take refuge in the church.
But, on that fateful day, a yet-to-be identified attacker broke in and inflicted machete injuries on the victims while they were sleeping.

Out of the four victims, the police confirmed that her injuries were more severe than others.
Mary, the daughter of the suspect and other victims were rushed to Mobolaji Hospital, Oremeji, Ibadan where she later died.

“DSP Ilobanafor said the police visited the scene, took photographs and moved the remains of the deceased to Adeoyo State Hospital mortuary for autopsy. One suspect was arrested and case transferred to the Assistant Commissioner of Police, State Criminal Investigation Department”.

In similar development, a three-man robbery gang who specialize in stealing Nissan vehicle products have been arrested.
Seven vehicles were said to have been recovered from the suspects whose names were given as Saheed Oloruntoyin (27), Ibrahim Tijani (30) and Lukmon Oladimeji.

They were arrested in Oyo in February 16 while allegedly sharing their loots.
Number plates of the recovered vehicles are Abuja CB 769 RBC , Abuja YF 154 YAB, Abuja GWA 435 AS, Niger BE 218 MNA, EPE 506 AJ (Lagos), BDJ 319 FQ (Oyo) and YYY 579 AAA (Oyo).

The suspects were said to have confessed to be a three-man gang who specialized in snatching cars from Oyo State and Federal Capital Territory (FCT) Abuja.

According to her, any vehicle snatched at Abuja was brought to Oyo and sold.

- See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/03/father-allegedly-kills-daughter-attacks-pastor-others-converting-christianity/#sthash.rKcZFyYx.dpuf

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aryzgreat: Tales by the moonlight. Hope the lies made u feel better?

We all have seen what happened in Osun and even in Oyo, where Muslims attacked a Christian Yoruba girl for preaching. Let them continue to sing their own religious praises.

We do not need this Catholic versus Anglican problems in Igboland. Otherwise, those of who have no denominational affiliation will rise up against both of you.

You are not the only Christian groups in Igboland. So stop polarizing Igboland with your foreign, even if Christian, religion.

Catholic youths and Anglican youths
have clashed in Anambra State over
the ownership of state-owned Lafiagi
Primary School in Fegge area of
Onitsha.
The school situated between St
Michael’s Catholic Church and St
Faith’s Anglican Church, both in Fegge,
was before the clash used by both
churches for social activities.
On Sunday, however, an incident
occurred during Sunday’s worship as
youths of both churches tried to stop
the other from making use of the
school field.
Speaking with newsmen yesterday,
Parish Priest of St Faith’s Anglican
Church, Rev Canon Obiora Uzochukwu,
said there had been a lingering crisis
over the ownership of the land where
the school was built.
He stated that trouble started when the
state government gave the Anglican
Church the space in the school to
conduct its church service.
“The Anglican Communion has been
worshiping at the primary school for
more than 40 years and we view the
recent attack by the Catholics as a way
of playing scripts written by unknown
hands to intimidate us.
“They (Catholics) came to the open
space where we normally have our
weekly activities, but the one that
broke the carmel’s back was the
incident where members of the MOD
of the Catholic Church swooped on our
members and destroyed two canopies
set for Sunday’s service,” Rev Obiora
said.
Anglican versus Roman Catholic Skullca
In his reaction, Parish Priest of St.
Michael Catholic Church, Rev Fr,
Celestine Aniofor, said the school in
question did not belong to either of the
denominations, adding that it was a
government school.
“Lafiaji Primary School belongs to the
state government. What happened was
that the members of MOD in the
church got approval from the
headmistress of the school to do their
camping programme in the school
from Friday to Sunday. When they
came to report to me that members of
the Anglican Church had used
canopies to block the field where they
were doing parade, I quickly pleaded
with them to give peace a chance.
“The Anglican Communion has been
dragging the school, which is a state
government school and ASUDEB had
earlier barred any church from having
service there. So when the MOD men
came, the Anglican people came to
make trouble and went as far as
inviting the soldiers to arrest the MOD
commander and it took us several
efforts to get him on bail.
“On Sunday again, they came with the
police and we see this as purely
madness because nobody is dragging
anything with them,” Aniofor said.
Sources say the government will invite
the two parties to resolve the matter,
and may ban both from making use of

He said it was not by accident that the first national chairman of the party, Chief Chekwas Okorie, Obi, the current national chairman, Chief Victor Umeh, and others are Catholics.

This is a pity coming from a Gov who led a state comprising of both Catholics and non-Catholics